you, mr. vadim, glory to ukraine, glory, good evening, yes, actually, in what form, the situation is now, directly in israel, when we are talking about on the one hand, hamas, in a certain way beheaded, and on the other hand already we understand that there are new contenders for leadership of both a military nature and a political nature, on the other side of esbol and a... the side of lebanon, all this in the context of the threat from iran, i ask you to speak. well, the country, israel is now waiting to see what iran and his will dare to do proxies of hizball in this situation, or event, this persuasion from the united states, to reduce the intensity, maybe the answers. and likewise, i think the idea of ​​cajoling israel. reduce

reduce the intensity of the response to iran's response, because here you know, the flywheel of responses can be spun, which, from the point of view of the united states, can lead to a major escalation, which the united states does not need now. from the point of view of hamas, there is already a leader, that is, the hamasites have decided on the direction of their movement. er, because the election of sinvar as the head of the flight of the political wing, which united, that is , before there was a political wing, there was a military wing, now all this happened in one person, and in fact it radicalized the situation, because sinvar is a person who is more drastic, more risky, more inclined to some adventures and ... to hope that this

will lead to a reduction in tensions, to the same agreement that the united states wants to reach on the hostages, and through this agreement to actually end the gas conflict and freeze the situation, israel for such and such development does not agree, even if he goes to an agreement, but only on the conditions of a possible continuation in gas of the liquidation of hamas, the structure, because only this can prevent a repetition of what happened on october 7, on the part of hizballah, israel now understands that the existence of hizballah in general is threatened e-investment of israel, due to the fact that we see that such a security zone has been created in the north, which was actually created by hizballah, several large enough settlements have been evacuated, a number of israelis

are now in temporary places there families in hotels, and it is unacceptable for israel to let this whole situation continue, and even if some terms are reached with hizbollah, there is no hope that those terms will be in place for a long time, so that these people can come back and feel safe no, so in fact now israel is interested in some kind of radical solution to the situation, and there are already discussions about this among experts, and i think that among the military and political leadership, and if our army did not actually act as such a political party, which was not radical, but more, let's say, inclined to compromises, i think, it would already start to be solved in a more radical way, and when we are talking about a more radical act. and

the version of events that is meant here , decipher, please, what it would look like, well, it would look like a large-scale military operation in lebanon, and the creation, well, not even up to the litani river, because the litani river is there, uh- uh, there from six to 15 km, it is not enough for security, there would be more likely to come to beirut, as it was in the first lebanese war, and the elimination of hezbollah as well as the military. structures, that is, the weapons that were imported there by iran in large quantities at one time, all their caches are there, what they buried there and so on, well, just like that , now there is a window of opportunity to eliminate the iranian threat, including the iranian one of the nuclear program, which managed to develop thanks to the policies of the democrats obama and biden. for some kind of flirting with iran, and

the impression is that they consider iran to be some kind of party that could, well, regulate some relations in the middle east, although in fact they are, well, actually radicalizing them and leading to such a flare-up of some conflicts, and this, in my opinion, is precisely the wrong position of the united states, just as they behaved with russia, constantly this obama reboot and biden about pacification of the aggressor, to prevent escalation, that is, they escalate as russia and iran want, and their people of the country. thus it further inflames the situation. mr. vadim, as we understand, iran is looking for support, or at least engaging now the support of its allies, and we are talking here

about russia as well, because, frankly, why would visits of quite high-ranking, but already ex-russian military officials to iran be needed, for example, and putin in general , we will remind, called on iran to limit its revenge against israel, reuters wrote about it, will russia openly support iran in any actions of this country in relation to israel in the near future, or will it still be cautious? well, i don't know how she can support even more, well, except for these military men now the russians are in syria, they have spoken. side of the conflict on the side of iran, this is the only possible participation of russia even greater than now, that is, they support them in all, let's say, international organizations, they support them militarily, just as iran supports russia, they are military allies, and if someone in israel still has doubts about this,

so i don’t know what else russia should do, well , what about striking with its planes from syria, well , it’s good that they are weak compared to the israeli... military air force, that is israel would repulse this attack, and they understand it well, but they are helping as much as they can, they are teaching the iranians, the iranians are teaching the russians, that is, there is love in measure, as they say, and there is a lot of information of varying degrees of confirmation, but still there is in the world media about the fact that russia is supplying iran, maybe s4 and iran, for its part , even insists on receiving su-35 flanker fighters, yes, yes, these are the same su-35, like the new fighters of the russian federation, with which it is purely theoretical, but f-16s can meet in some kind of aerial battle there. well, but

that's another question. russia can provide weapons to iran, this means that in the hands of the russian federation there are fewer weapons to attack ukraine, but oops. in any case, as we understand it, russia should not benefit from an escalation from iran right now, right? well, in principle, it remains to be seen, first of all, if there is an escalation around iran, it will once again distract attention from russia's war with ukraine, and this is, in principle , good for putin. on the other hand, thanks to this , oil prices, which have recently started to decline, can jump, and just like that... russia profitable, so why not profitable, any escalation in the middle east is profitable, it's normal for them, and if everything there taiwan and china get involved, it's even more normal for russia, so it will do anything to escalate, they can say anything

, lying to them, you know, this is a normal phenomenon, just like for iran, but you have to look, you even see, they are for... this situation with the houthis actually turned out to be quite disadvantageous, including economic , due to the fact that they are forced now due to the fact that the houthis shoot at any ships that go through the gulf of aden, through the red sea, then russian ships with russian cargo are bypassing africa now, but still this escalation around the middle east, they still support it, and still no one in iran does not say, not china, not russia. let's somehow try to tame them, so they only the only thing that could tame them was a blow on the skin, which slightly reduced their possibilities, and no persuasion works, well, well , a few words very briefly, mr. vadim, in

what is the current state of relations within israel between the government and the people, given the rather successful liquidation operations. and high-ranking terrorists, what does netanyahu have with an understanding with the israelis? well, israeli society has actually been divided for several years now. and this division was precisely, well, by the political forces that were in opposition to netanyahu, they personalized it, that is, took it out of the ideological plane into a personal one, that is, they actually attacked him, without touching on any such, well, specific problems, and now it it continues, these are the people who are now constantly holding demonstrations, blocking roads, er... now they have, before they were simply resigning, now they have picked up on the issue of hostages and with

the support of certain, certain forces that they support, in including in law enforcement agencies, in the judicial system, they continue to act in that direction, and from the point of view of the people, well, according to the latest polls, after such a radicalization of israel's position, the rating of the netanyahulikut party increased, and it again became the first in number. if evil, let's say, the attacks on these leaders are different, and in general, israel began to achieve

certain successes, and the rating increased. let's see what will happen next in this direction. thank you for this constructive input. vadym polishchuk, a historian and political commentator from israel joined the saturday political club. and in a few moments , vitaly portnikov will appear at the saturday political club, with whom we will have the opportunity to discuss everything that is most important for ukraine and the world. wait. there is a war going on, and not only for territories, it is also a war for minds. we are engaged in propaganda. russia is throwing millions of petrodollars into turning ukrainians into little russians. ukraine will become russia. countering russian information attacks in the chronicles of information war project with olga len. tuesday thursday at 17:15, repeat, tuesday, friday at 22:00. vasyl zima's big broadcast. my name is vasyl zima, this is a big broadcast on the espresso tv channel. two

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political club at espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, i am happy to welcome vitaly portnikov to the studio, mr. vitaly, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero, congratulations. well, kurshchyna, and as of this morning, possibly bilhorodshchyna as well, but we are monitoring there with all caution. actually, with caution we also monitor the kursk region. why? because of some official information. and we don’t have specific data that would be subject to analysis, but to trust russian z publics is to disrespect oneself, in principle, on the other hand, it is uneasy, and several, already several actually populated areas of the russian federation are under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, we saw this video, we saw that absolutely specific brigades are called, nevertheless, here... now we are in a situation where for the first time since the middle of the 20th century the russian federation received military action

directly on its territory. and all this is happening 16 years after she did just shameful things in georgia in 2008. and in your opinion, in the historical perspective, what are we seeing now and what will it lead to? you know what is the most amazing thing? khrystyna, that from the point of view of the russian federation, military actions on its territory have been taking place for two years in a row, because the russian federation considers donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions of ukraine. the same russian ones regions, such as the kursk or belgorod regions, and therefore from the point of view of the russian leadership, nothing new is happening, they cannot say: this is what you did, you crossed the borders of the russian federation, and we already crossed these borders from their point of view, ukrainian troops are located on the territory of donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia

regions, which the russians consider their own, and the main requirement for vladimir putin. is that these troops leave the territories occupied by them, otherwise there will be none at all negotiations and no peace, therefore the russians cannot say: you know what happened, the ukrainians crossed the border and entered the territory of the russian federation for the first time since the second world war, as we say and as the west says, because from the russian point of view we have already there for a long time, we have been constantly fighting on the territory of the russian federation since the 22nd year and... and this is also a certain trap for the russian leaders themselves, because they cannot gather the un security council and say: you know what happened, the war goes on our territory, and earlier, on which one she was walking, you say that she had been walking on your territory before, why did you get so excited, ugh, suddenly, but seriously, if you remove this moment of the state border,

it in any case speaks of inefficiency. we belong to the russian state and the solovs, because one way or another, and the fact that ukrainian troops crossed the state border of russia, russia also recognizes that there is a state border between the sumy region and the kurdish region, let's say, it officially recognizes this, and so the troops of some country crossed the state border, occupied several settlements, it turned out that this state border. with a country with which you have been at war for 2.5 years, a big one, and you have been in a state of confrontation with it for 10 years, it is not fortified at all, your power structures cannot fight back, you cannot organize evacuation, you cannot organize protection residents of kursk from possible shelling of this city, because there is no

effective anti-aircraft defense system and a system of bomb shelters and this is all 2.5 years after the beginning of the great war, that is, by and large, it is an invasion, it has a powerful informational effect, because it once again demonstrates the cardboardness of the russian state itself. of course, russia can gather troops, can cross a foreign border, can storm the populated areas of another country, we know this in georgia and ukraine, achieve success, because a large part of the territory of georgia, ukraine is located. under russian control, but at the same time, when russia itself is attacked, it does not know what to do with this attack, and this, by the way, is not the first time, because i want to remind you that when the soviet union in at the end of the 1930s, he attacked finland, latvia, lithuania, and estonia, then everything was fine with these attacks, well

, not so fine with finland, but in any case , a large part of the territory of finland ended up in the soviet union. with the city of vii puri, which is now called vyborgo, but when hitler's germany attacked the soviet union, no one there was ready for anything, it is very similar, by the way, and they again invent some word treacherous, this is their favorite word, treacherous, arises the question is, why the hell do you believe, and why did you believe hitler, when you were in a serious confrontation with him for many years, and this act of non-aggression meant precisely that, in principle , germany could attack you, so you agree with her on non-aggression, well, if you agree with someone on non-attack, you must somehow think about a possible attack, somehow carry out some measures, but this is not a story for stalin, eh, why believe that the ukrainians cannot cross some part of the border, if you are at war with them, why do you believe that

you believe in their weakness, in their decency, in their fear, what do you believe, that they broke again. your belief that where does the russian people come from, such a belief that they themselves can attack everyone, no one can attack them, this is also very strange, mr. vitaly, or maybe they believe in international law and universally recognized borders, which they usually stand on they wipe, but they understand that the world cannot ignore the rules it established after the second, in these borders, which the russian federation considers a border, well, yes, it considers it a border, and it also... considers donetsk as a border as well, in luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, she has it there she also believes that she can move boundaries, she can do anything. the russian federation broke international law, that's great. for the first time, by the way, you know when in 1918, i apologize for such a long digression, but this is an interesting moment,

the russian federation, germany and ukraine negotiated peace, then it was decided where the borders of the russian federation were, where the borders of the independent ukraine, recognized as a ukrainian state by the bolsheviks, and between these two borders was a neutral zone. such a voluminous neutral zone is enough, on which no one claimed, which, by the way, included the city of suja, so what the bolsheviks are doing soon, they decide in kursk that there will be a temporary workers' government of ukraine, but such a government can no longer exist in kurdsk, because it is a russian city , the center of the province, and if there is a temporary one. the cholyan government of ukraine in pursk, then the question arises, what, why is it ukrainian, and then the bolsheviks decide to let the government officials, the bolsheviks, go to suja, so

suja became the first capital of soviet ukraine, but everyone says kharkiv is the first the capital, no, sorry, suja first the capital, and they immediately announce that this suja is now part of the ukrainian socialist soviet republic and the seat of the first soviet government of ukraine, later. when the court is occupied, i think, by the white guard troops, a decision is made that the provisional government moves to belgorod, which is then also the territory of the ukrainian socialist soviet republic, and then to kharkiv, and when in 2022 they decided to create the soviet union, the russian bolsheviks say to the ukrainian bolsheviks: listen, and judge, we just borrowed. that you have a government there, but now that you are part of the soviet union anyway, why do you need this territory, let it be the territory of russia, and so suja, which for several years was part of

soviet ukraine, and before that a neutral zone between russia and ukraine, becomes part of soviet russia. now the question arises, why can’t the opposite be done again, why can’t the neutral zone be made again, as in 1918, if it already existed, these are very conditional things you understand, agreements between states, on which international law is based, on agreements between states, the borders of the soviet union, they were drawn up completely conditionally, simply by the pencil of the people's commissar for nationalities of the soviet russia, and then of the soviet union, joseph stalin. few people remember that the general secretary of the central committee of the rcp still held such a position on november 7, 1917, and all these soviet republics. with their borders, this is exclusively a figment of his imagination, some countries were occupied, like ukraine, belarus, georgia, armenia, azerbaijan,

others, separated from soviet russia to blur the status of occupied countries that were the founders of the soviet union, but he created their borders himself, so we have a huge number of divided regions, divided. as you and i understand, the territory of donbass, half of donbass is russian, half of donbass is ukrainian, part of donbass is donetsk oblast, part of donbass is rostov oblast, half of bukovyna is ukrainian, because stalin decided to take this part from romania, half romanian, half galicia is ukrainian, half of galicia is polish, half of slobozan region is russian, half is ukrainian, half is. sumy region, half russian, half ukrainian.

in principle, ethnic ukrainians live on both sides of the russian-ukrainian border. so in those regions in which a counterterrorist operation was announced today, kurdistan, voronezh, belgorod oblasts, and more, kurdistan, bryansk, belgorod oblasts, i apologize, and also voroninsk, in which counterterrorist operation. not proclaimed just because she now has the border with the occupied territories of ukraine, and not ukraine itself, which is controlled by the legitimate government, is the territory of the ancient ethnic resettlement of ukrainians. most of the districts of these regions, the kursk, bilhorod, voronezh and bryansk regions are part of the ethnic settlement of ukrainians. even a few years ago, people from these regions wrote to me in messenger, facebook , in absolutely pure ukrainian. mykhailo koltsov was the first poet who published a collection of poems... in the ukrainian language in this part of the ukrainian lands in general. the famous russian folk poet, bart

selyanskyi, he started with ukrainian ones. folk songs, because in voronyshchyna people spoke ukrainian, he recorded it and wrote poems in ukrainian, then switched to russian. if we talk about the principle of national self-determination, a large part of the territory that has a direct border with ukraine is ukrainian ethnic territory, but in 1991, when the decision was made to break up the soviet union, it was decided that the union republics. which should remain in their state borders, the republics that nominally, as independent states, formed the soviet union, and this was the wisest decision, because if you start looking at whose ethnic territory, you can fight all your life, and russia is all surrounded, this whole vector of russia is foreign ethnic territories, ukrainian,

belarusian, sky, whatever you want, but russia itself broke this order, already in the first months after the collapse of the soviet union, they decided to establish control over transnistria, remember? yes, of course, we were countries that supported transnistria gkchcp, but yeltsin still decided that he would support these transnistrian separatists, who were created by the kremlin. do you know how the transnistrian separatists thanked him? in october 1993, they send armed detachments to support the congress of people's deputies of russia in order to overthrow yeltsin by armed means, people with weapons come to moscow from teraspol, who carry out the instructions of the then president of the self-proclaimed transnistrian republic igor smirnov, ruslan khazbulatov negotiates with him and oleksandr rutskoi about what they arrived there, an army in moscow, an army. in order

to destroy the legitimate government, which happens after october 93, the council still decides that it is necessary to support transnistria, you do not think this is strange, but if you look at it from a historical perspective, the territory sends bandits to destroy you, you say, well they are, we are more interested in keeping moldova under tension than in destroying this fester, and so it continues to this day, there you go... beautiful illustration. georgia, abkhazia and southern ossetia. russia participates in the coup d'état in georgia. but when eduard shevernadze comes to power, they decide to punish him for his influence in the past. and they do not agree with him on restoring the territorial integrity of this country. they support the abkhaz and south ossetian separatists, who, as you know, are committing

terrible ethnic crimes. their territories, expelling ethnic georgians, here is another story from the 90s, and then the same tools are applied to ukraine, which means that they themselves do not believe in these borders, they believe that they can redraw the borders of the former soviet republics as they like, because these are not real states, but... there is only one state on the post-soviet territory, it is the russian federation, but we can also decide what it is no fake state, what is a state, it is just some scrap of the soviet union, the russian soviet federative socialist republic, a fiction of lenin ostrotsky, they were simply able to regain their bandit power on this territory, which, by the way, until the beginning of the 30s years in this territory, no one recognized it, it's

just separatism. a piece of the russian empire that got down lenin strotsky's throat, they managed to win it back, then attack us, of course, kyiv, minsk, the caucasian countries, all this is clear, but it is not up to the state, and there are two ways for it to became a real state, the russians see this way in returning all the soviet republics. in its composition, and i see another way, to give the peoples of russia the opportunity to decide on their own statehood, to stop being younger brothers of this very russian people, moreover, it is the russian people, for all the time of its history, it shows such infantilism that it cannot be either an older brother or a younger sister, it is simply, i would say, a complex mental state, such a complex mental state, i would

say that you are not allowed to be a member of anyone's family.