informational and then i think operational tactical advantages, by the way, the operation in the kurdish direction is now interpreted differently by various publications, they are looking for details of the actions of our units, and with a lot of publications about the fact that in this direction our military has created the prerequisites for the account of the rep system was suppressed by russian drones, and our drones themselves worked at... ranges where the enemy could not penetrate anything with them, and they actually destroyed the equipment and manpower of the enemy. and about certain details, about certain we will talk about the conclusions of this unmanned component of the kurdish operation with our next guest, we will be joined by the chairman of the board of the alliance new energy of ukraine, the commander of the special unit of the white eagle strike drones, valery borovyk. mr. valery, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you on our air.

congratulations serhiy, thank you very much. well, actually, you are both a developer, and a manufacturer, and a practitioner in the use of strike drones for various purposes, i am sure that you have probably communicated with our units that carry out operations using drones on in this direction, what conclusions do you draw for yourself, as a manufacturer and practitioner, from the first stage of the kurdish operation, precisely in the context of the use of drones on our side. more here are practical conclusions in application, because you know, you can release a lot of drones, but if the tactics of its use are not applied, which the manufacturer says, or in general, even according to the textbooks , you can use them, then you can lose a lot of drones not fulfilling their goals. why am i leading this, that it was pretty good the planned operation, first of all, was complete and not just informational. silence, but also inside,

if those who made these decisions, and it died and did not come out from the outside, so there was an opportunity to prepare precisely the yereb complexes and make a so-called window for the use of our drones, and this is very important, because well, i would say maybe it's not the first, but it's very carefully coordinated. operation, but one of the good, successful coordination of the soldiers and drones, because very often we lost drones in kharkiv, in the kherson direction, in other directions, when there is a disconnection between the reb, someone who drove there and was gifted to someone there, the gurivsky reb, there, who is not in the system and... the drones that carry out their

tasks, be it reconnaissance, coordination or strikes, right there it was as if was prepared from scratch, from a clean slate, and therefore it was right to have the opportunity to plan all this in advance in a secret atmosphere and implement it, from a practical point of view, it's just a classic, which should be applied already in subsequent operations, well, in fact, this.. . such a new classic, which should become such a practice of use, and the enemy still resists, and we have seen the use, again, there is less aviation, less artillery of the enemy, but lancets, the enemy continues to try to use against our armored vehicles, and i know that your company, you yourself have talked about it, is developing an attack drone with a range of 40 km, i would like to ask what is the progress in this direction. and what are

the samples produced by your company that are in the greatest demand by our military? and no, we don't just develop, 60 km to 60 km, we have a drone, which we made before, but we did not start production back in the 15th year of the repulse, now it was already delivered to the defense forces last year, and... this is what you are showing about the su now , it is used, we used it there in the kherson direction, we had good impressions for how much then, 39 km, yes, that means in other directions, and now we have made 500 drones at our own expense, these are several complexes that are ready for application against it is repulsed, so before application within a month we we can bet, that's why... we don't have

a contract for him yet, i'm sure he will, but why? because quite a few pilots are trained to work with such complexes, very many. there are many who work with quadcopters, who work with fpv, but teach to train more crews to work with these complexes, this is the next step that needs to be done, because this range, you know, i think you are constantly communicating with by my colleagues, the 20-60 km range is the one we don't cover there with expensive missiles, right? breakfasts are not so accurate and their price is there, if you take the accuracy of the impression 5-6 to 10 , you have to put accuracy, and this is already three times, three or five times, 10 times more expensive than launching one drone, it means to hit

the target, so actually this range is very relevant now, it is not ours, no, no, it is not not ours, by the way, it seems to be our last one. khersonsky has such a similar picture, which means that it is in normal condition with us, we are ready to supply it, and i think that in the near future we will sow it on the front line. as for the osa complex, which we talked about there, there were all these problems there with its evaluation, with its application, if not so much application as actually. legalization is on the front line, now we have already concluded a contract, i don’t know, probably, i won’t say for what volume, a normal volume by the end of the year we will supply dronas, which means that it is also in parallel in special executions for special missions of special services, and is a classic one, which we

will now supply within these three months to the defense forces of ukraine. well, it's finally good news, because it wasn't just that... with this project, we repeatedly mentioned that there is potential, finally, the prerequisites were created for the order to finally reach yours, thanks to our conversations, sergey, this also happened and respond, i hope that it is all the same, and you also add a little optimism, because i know that in addition to work on unmanned systems, your company is currently expanding cooperation with the well-known german company deal defense, which can be said because the previous ones. .. our conversation showed that in fact, there are things that, well, cause respect for your team, and indicate that there are directions of interaction with powerful german or western companies, a little bit of details, at what stage the cooperation with dean defense is, i can’t say too much, so

that after some of our broadcasts, our german colleagues told me to reveal less details, it really is a powerful company that... supplies us with irises, what are the latest impressions, here was the information, 100% impressions of the irises are for the purposes that are programmed, we by others things, let's say, we deal with them, uh, very promising, uh, very interesting, not very cheap, but effective, but of which we want to make cheaper with our experience of working on the front line and... more large-scale, this is the maximum that i can say that these are the three things that we are very actively working with now, uh, now they are coming back from vacation, it is august, just the vacation period, we planned to actively participate in

the 3.5 billion budget programmed by the eurobundestag for approval of the procedure for the supply of procedures. and i think we're there we will see these tools there, because the german government will officially announce it after the delivery, so i think that later we will talk in some program about what tools we are working on, i can only reveal a little secret from the air defense tools supplied by deal defense , we took an active part in this, in the help of this timely supply, we will take part in ... in bringing it to our senses, because, honestly, no air defense system can fight the mass of drones that are now and will come to ukraine, to our energy facilities, infrastructural facilities and so on, and that is why we are not only from

the defense department, but primarily fiens, we are working on proving them at their test sites, well, they are american in germany, we were busy with this. we have and i also think that we will do it in ukraine in the near future, but all this is the maximum that i can say. we literally have a minute and a half left, what would you advise? to our defense companies, which want, conditionally speaking, to cooperate with western companies, what should they do first of all rate, why pay the main attention? the main thing is to look into those developments, in which hundreds of millions, millions, sometimes billions have been invested in ee in the west, but they do not work here somewhere, to look into these solutions and bring them to... work thanks to our experience of working on the front lines, this is the first, i would recommend the other

to the authorities, the authorities need to listen to those comments and those wishes of western companies that we conveyed to the previous commander-in-chief, if necessary, we will also give to the chief of the general staff and now to the commander-in-chief on the creation of a special a unit that will work with... western companies on the front lines, then come back not just to give their recommendations, reqvarments there and so on, but together with their engineers to make sense of these tools of theirs, and then it will be bingo in the defense of our country and profit for earning money by western companies, and then for earning already for the budget and e.g. germany, france, there britain and ukraine as well, that is, this is the path to good

cooperation, and it must be passed together on this large training ground, unfortunately, which now ukraine is a military training ground, this should be used for our defense, the leaders should listen to this, we talked about this with minister umyerov, but nothing has moved, such a unit is needed, we will once again insist on this, using ours. experience to create such a division, as we do with deal defense, let's say so, on private terms, yes, now, because they are interested in us and we are interested in them, that 's why talis, safran, other companies are interested in cooperation , let's do it. mr. valery, thank you very much for your persistence and consistency in the implementation of these projects, which give a concrete result that our armed forces desperately need. and we see that

the results of this day were quite positive for our country. vasyl zema will continue the broadcast, so stay tuned to the channel from the press. so, we continue. i thank serhii zagorets, i thank his guest, and now i urge you to join the gathering that will be announced. espresso tv channel and vesna charity fund. this is a fundraiser for the purchase of modern drones and radio electronic warfare systems for the third separate assault brigade, as well as for the 110th and 47th brigades of the armed forces of ukraine. the defenders in the donetsk direction every day hold back enemy attacks and defend our freedom and future. it was these soldiers who stood to the last and defended the avdiiv direction that difficult spring, when there was a shortage of ammunition, the situation is very difficult, therefore, of course, there are losses, the brigades urgently need flying weapons. modern means of countering enemy drones. our goal is 3.5 million uah and with your help, we have already collected almost

uah 88,000. let's speed up. and remember that each of your donations is important, so get involved. you can see all the details on your screens. well, now we will talk with ivan tymochko, he is the chairman of the reservist council of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. ivan, i congratulate you. congratulations. glory to ukraine. glad to see you. glory to the heroes. we have general military questions. there is a question. i am here, some of my friends on facebook are writing, asking something about the mobilization of the tsk, why someone somewhere, i also have such questions i'll put it, well, there are always moments that need to be communicated and discussed so that people have a better understanding of how the system works and why certain things sometimes happen, there will be time to discuss this as well, well, first of all, let's have such a correlation, on the one hand, every day people read kurshchyna, somewhere there new settlements come under the control of the armed forces of ukraine. the russians surrender, battles are going on somewhere, there are losses, it is not easy, but the situation is developing quite dynamically. on the other hand,

every day people read about toretsk, pokrovsk, losses, today there were again several villages in the pokrovsky direction, and this is the logic, this is what some people write, let's say this, if it is so difficult here, why not transfer this there, that here and here to repel more, and is there any correlation between these two situations here on... there would be a very difficult defense and somewhere, well, a temporary loss of territories, and why so, according to your assessment, according to your... according to your understanding, here again you can see some kind of interdependence, or is to consider the kurdish operation as a forced move, please, it is not interdependence, it really is interdependence of the issue, there are several factors here: first of all, we all understand that the war in the east of ukraine, not in the south of ukraine,

combat operations, the activity of enemy forces was connected, let's say, with operational tasks. of a strategic level, which are entrusted to the russian troops, to occupy the donetsk-luhansk region. so, they accumulated forces, they accumulated resources, they adapted to the events taking place on the front line, adapted their tactics and strategy, managed to build a seamless draw-up of reserves, forces, means, and they began, as we can see, an intensive intensification of the battles, that is, they began to seize the initiative at the tactical level, i won't say that they seized it, but we know, we see that, even really on those maps, that little by little the gradual advance of russian troops is taking place, that is , they have adapted their military tactics, strategy, doctrine to the conditions that have arisen, and we know a lot that we have, that world military experts said that if no

serious changes in the introduction of hostilities in... the east of ukraine and actually in the north or in the same and in the south, sooner or later the enemy can achieve operational or strategic results. in order to prevent this from happening, the kurdish operation is actually being conducted, in order to change the very philosophy, the strategy of waging war, because as we can see, the russians have actually adapted, deployed, logistics, and built all their forces and strategic reserves in specific directions. when a completely... new front line appeared, they have two elections, or ignore it further to keep its forces and means in the east of ukraine, which means leading to panic within russia itself, to serious losses, to the fact that the population will cease to appreciate and fully support putin, and history will show in due

time what to say to such an empire as in even the austro-hungarian or german empires were there at one time. who fought in the first world war and even held armies or even the russian empire at one time held the front line during the first world war, but the population, when it ceased to understand war or arose discontent, then we know how it ended with coups, for putin coups are something very deadly, scary, of course he and his power block must react to this situation in one way or another, so we see now that they are really raising additional forces. who are taken from the front line , for example, the 810th brigade of the russian marines, stationed in the crimea, which fought in the south, in the kharkiv region, appeared in kurshchyna, and now we see that they were dragged to kurshchyna, we see that a number military brigades, units that they were to use for reinforcement of their troops in the east of ukraine for

continuity, and yes, the reserves they kept in the rear, which, let's say, they wanted to plan. to use them there at the beginning of autumn, they still have to use them now in kurshchyna, that is, it is already an outflow again, in addition, they are now forced to redistribute ammunition, increase the number of the field of activity of their same aviation, their aviation has not increased with all the number that they have, that is, more, more field for flight, more, much more difficult work, because in the kurshchyna, after all, they are, as it were, not wanted, they still have to be somewhat careful. because total carpet bombing, as they are conducting in ukraine, they, well at least now, they are not ready to do either, because they are afraid of internal riots, dissatisfaction of the population, that is, now russian tactics and strategy are forced to change, adapt, they do not force us to adapt, and them to adapt to the situation, since none of them

expected and did not believe that we would be able to offer any way out. events that are not controlled or unpredicted by them, this is the first moment, if we consider the front, the second moment, we know that there was a meeting of the peace summit, at which a decision was made to force russia to appease, and as a counterargument, that russia, that china, that at one time orbán, who toured ukraine, they claimed that in order to start some kind of negotiations with ukraine and russia, even on international arenas. everyone should stop at the front line, the line that is now, that will be at the moment of, say, a certain agreement, and this was supported by chinese philosophy, and was supported by russia itself. why should they, they tried to stop on the front line in ukraine, because the battles are only in ukraine and dictate their wishes,

break the rules there again, cause destruction. and now, now it turns out that part of russia has to stop, and this already means, even if not publicly, but to give up some part of the russian territory, like here the increase of living space, which putin always declared, about iskonnost, when... they are losing and it has also hit their own hard according to putin's ideology, according to putin's diplomacy, behind the scenes, officially on the international arena, the peace summit, it is coming, russia has suffered a serious blow, both reputational and military, in addition, we see that their allies are also being seriously watched, the same iran, who apparently hoped that, after all, attention would be more focused on ukraine, and russia would be able to... help them with the same air defense systems, russia would buy a surplus of missiles from them, such as those of the mars rocket launcher systems, but when

they iran saw that this is the situation and russia is now involved in the war on its territories, as we can see, further threats against israel, iran did not go away, we see that putin of these threats, which has always been the accent, red line. there was no crazy escalation, so we see that in fact, how much the situation has changed both on the front line and geopolitically, that we are observing even now, and we know that the enemy is trying to increase the intensity of fighting in the east and actually in the south and part of in the north the territory of ukraine in order to prevent us from advancing even more golips, still they hope that we, those reserves that we have, say, in the strategic reserve, we will not use, so

all the same after all, they also have a certain calculation of their own, well, but i am more than sure that this is taken into account, i understand that putin now simply, putin’s army, the generals, react and offer countermeasures, those that are on the surface are obvious, because the issue of the kurdish language it won't solve it, they still need to pull up with... line units, brigades, troops, they don't care it will be necessary to build some kind of fortifications, engineering structures, barriers somewhere in the depths of their territories at a distance from those lines of combat operations in kurshchyna in order to at least stop them. in addition to this, what we all see again, and even see from the statements of putin, his government, the russian generals, they do not know the ultimate goal of this kurdish military operation, they do not know, did not know its preparation, and do not know the ultimate goal, that is things are really very, well, great joy, first of all, and on the other hand, well, where were theirs satellites, spies, it’s actually, it’s all

, even fathers, such russian experts who live against putin somewhere in europe, they say that it’s just exciting, it was in my opinion and either bloomberg or the financial times, which publication wrote that it was a brilliant operation, here is the chicken, well, there are still many internal questions. i was thinking about the chicken coop, but we will probably not go any further, we will wait for further, further development, but as for the fences, you said about the fence, i read today that these are their so-called dragon's teeth, there at all i think they spent 15 or so billion rubles on the barricade in kurshchyna, a huge amount of money, and this morning i read a post of a military officer in a telegram, who said that such a small area of ​​this defense was pierced by three shots from a tank, well, these are the teeth of the dragon. were rejected and some were able to cross, this is how the russians steal and how they prepare, well, of course, when necessary, they dig there, we saw it in the zaporizhzhia region, of course, well, one should not underestimate their

ability to make these fortifications, but the question is that no one hoped, obviously, that's why money was stolen and attacked zubinar, now about the possibilities, about the possibilities and prospects of the ukrainian army for regeneration, restoration, strengthening, and i will ask about, first of all, a very important for... i don't know , whether it will be discussed now in military circles, or, in principle, military circles should wait for the decision of the people who are responsible for the payment of labor, first of all labor, and therefore also for the provision of the army, because i think we should also think about where to get money the army should not be engaged in this, but ruslan, the head of the budget committee of the verkhovna rada, has been making a statement for several weeks that if taxes are not raised radically, there will be no, well, let's just say, no money will be found, because the amount there is quite significant, then problems may begin from september . with the payment of salaries to the military, well, september is already less than a month away, is there any information among the military,

or in principle, well, i hope that... they will figure out where to find the money, from whom, excuse me, it is possible to pull the wall somewhere a little, so as not to be out of pocket, and also to give to the army, which is now really in such an active and important phase that any delay can be critical, of course, it is necessary here, i understand that the issue of increasing taxation, it appears on the basis of some analysis, the people are ready to pay more, the question is that it was for the benefit, not the but, of course, and the first thing here , after all... it is also worth understanding that the fight against corruption must be strengthened , because unfortunately, this corruption component or these corruption risks or problems that we have now arise, they actually create a mad mistrust in society for such, let's be honest, unpopular things like raising taxes, although we understand that there is no corruption in us at such a level that, say, it affects some percentage

of the country's budget, but all the same... well, it is probably necessary somewhere to reduce the appetites in payments to certain persons, for example, i may be wrong, but it seems that in the 23rd year almost uah 5 billion was paid for honorary pensions to judges, a judge who is going on an honorary pension, he receives 100,000, and he is certainly not poor, that is, working for 20 years or more as a judge, when, unfortunately, a fighter who is a person with a disability. having lost an arm and a leg of the second, first group, the maximum he can count on is 17,000 pensions, he loses his ability to work, and the judge goes to live comfortably, that is, it is possible to pay attention to such sources of income, because again, we know a lot cases, if only to review those judges, for example, who fled to an honorary pension due to scandals and hid there, maybe here, after all, integrity commissions should work more carefully, and others

the same similarly. sources, after all, it is really worth revising the question of comfort somewhere, perhaps it is to increase the tax on wealth, i understand that this is such a popular proposal, but it is possible, it is necessary to talk with those people, for sure, who are really tangential to financial structures, which have a full range of analysis, in which state our economy is, the sources of income of these taxes, which will be known, who know exactly which financial infusions. our allies are ready to provide, what kind of economic support are our allies ready to provide, i.e. in in any case, in the army now there are no discussions in the army about what you heard, but since september in the army there has been a conversation about how to win, well, this is definitely a matter of recruiting, it is very important, in fact, by the way, recently my colleagues told me that another recruiting center has opened in lviv, which already has even these, this new kind of military unmanned

systems, that is, if a person... wants, for example, to get there, you can go there now and there are other recruiting centers, that is, the choice is large, but there are times when, after all, individual men, there are different men, someone is ready to fight anywhere and always, someone thinks, well, they won't touch me while i sit, they already touch me, well, i'm gone, the third thinks, well, okay, fine, i'll go, but if i find my specialty, my specialty and i will work, that is, there are different people, but most people are ready, well, under certain conditions, well, the main thing is not to live to the point when it is absolutely necessary already... everyone will have to do everything, so yes, but specifically for recruiting, if a person today comes to a recruiting center, for example, and agrees to undergo a certain training, which there is a further procedure for a person to understand how it should be, it can be anything, well, in life there are always exceptions to the rules, that is understandable, but this is exactly the procedure for people who came and want to enter the army precisely through the recruiting center in a certain profession and to understand that they will be in this profession,

since they were trained and they had n fact before that, maybe they had officer ranks there, because they will perform these tasks in the defense forces. so, about recruiting, recruiting is actually in ukraine now of various forms, if we used to observe somewhere earlier that individual military units opened their recruiting centers and announced recruitment with the help of advertising there, placement on certain relevant sites of the robo, which is directly occupied. work, it's also with employment centers and administrative service centers, they mainly communicated with local authorities, and fighters, people who expressed a desire to serve in specific military units, received a letter of recommendation, but they still then they applied to the assembly centers, where they passed the actual vlk, so their degree of suitability.