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about how we changed, what lessons we learned and what we will never forget in the tape 10 years of war. exclusively, on the espresso tv channel. we are returning to our airwaves and, as promised, we are joining the conversation of the serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine and political scientist kyryl sazonov. mr. kirill, glory to ukraine, thank you for being with us, thank you for service glory to the heroes, glad to see you. roman, congratulations, i haven't seen it in a long time. yes, good morning, you understand. one such thing, of course, that the attention of even the world media is focused on the events in the kursk region of the russian federation, but somehow there is such an impression that from morning to night prokursk is on a single marathon, this is so that we simply do not pay attention, which is being done precisely in the donetsk section of the front, because the last days look very sad in terms of the direction. to pokrovsk, myrnograd,

actually counted kilometers, in the time of yar too, the horde is moving northward, both frontally, and accordingly, it can still add to us, in your area, how it looks, somehow it turns out that we are doing a good thing in kursk, on the eastern part of the donetsk front, somehow a strong reinforcement not visible since there is such a promotion, well, it is impossible to do good deeds everywhere, probably, of course, people were bored, both military and civilians missed some good news, some victories, that’s understandable, that’s why everyone is very interested in what is going on, because in fact it is very psychologically it is important that people see that the armed forces of ukraine, now it can be said, are already working directly on the territory of the kurt region, taking many prisoners, liberating the territory. in the east, the situation is actually very

difficult, and with regard to the transfer of some units from the east, no one is transferred to kursksk, the russians, this is a priority direction for them, and they do not change such plans, as their goal was to reach the administrative borders of the donetsk region, so it and remained, that's why they work so actively in the east, they transfer here whoever they can, if there is one a little easier, then due to the fact that the reserves that were supposed to go here will be abandoned. but from pokrovsky, from toretsky, from the kramatorsk direction and from lymansk, apparently, because this is also their plan, they do not transfer units to kursk, the troops of the group north of the leningrad military district are currently working in kursk, these are the belgorod, bryansk and kursk regions , that is, they transfer someone from vovchansk, someone from kupyansk there, they say that reinforcements are going there from kherson oblast and zaporizhzhia, but from donetsk, i repeat, they... don't throw anyone over,

quite heavy fighting is going on here, unfortunately, we see that observers, summarizing what is happening in the east of ukraine, call distances of 100, 200, sometimes 400 m in various settlements along the entire line of combat , and actually these are the meters that the russians have been occupying for a certain time, and here we have their advances again. how does it look for you, because chasiv has such an obstacle for the russians, we have this channel that creates inconvenience for them, but we remember that they managed to cross and we understand that they are also pressing on the flanks, what today? yes, the canal, in fact, is a very serious obstacle, first of all for enemy equipment, they have rammed into it several times in different directions, and attempts to bypass the yar times were unsuccessful, there were three major attempts to go and take time. i rulischa, then they

refused them and leaned on the canal, which actually destroyed the neighborhood, which is in the direction of bakhmut. which they had in avdiivka, in bakhmut, and they really did not want to storm it, but they have no other way out, a few days ago they made a massive mechanized assault, but they lost their equipment, retreated, and now the enemy almost does not use the equipment here, because it is very bad for them, it is very vulnerable here and to our drones and artillery and mortars, and there are rumors, i don't know if it's true or not, that they are transferring equipment from here. not the personnel and equipment precisely in the pokrovsky direction, where they have some success, therefore the assault the channel looks simple, the attack aircraft are drawn up to the channel itself, to the assault positions one by one, they run over two by two, counting on the fact that no one will spend a drone token on one occupier,

they gather in groups, and then these groups are two, four, six, eight of people cross the canal in pairs, try to enter the city, sometimes they succeed, they enter, sometimes... they are entrenched, but they are destroyed by our troops, mortars work, machine guns work, drones work again, infantry with riflemen, they are knocked out, the canal holds, and that's it it looks like it now, but for the sake of understanding , it is active somewhere, if we do not count small raids, but count large attempts at assaults, then during the spring there were six of them per day, in toretsk - in the pokrovsky direction 48, last day 50. mr. kirill, what if we say, they move one by one, two at a time, then, if they manage to collect a larger number of personnel, how do they try to move, that is, do they have any tactics, i don’t know that someone is more important among them, something can, and how good is

the staff they send yes for example, they talk about the pokrovsky direction, first the wagnerites, who are mostly defeated, then some... more powerful and more educated groups, like yours? no one advances one by one, they advance in pairs, one works, they advance, shoot, the other covers him, they always work in pairs, this is a tactic, this is how it works, and they have been like this since the musketeer times, when firearms appeared, that is, groups of guys 2, 4, 6, 8 people, 10-12 are rare, according to pokrovsky it is difficult for me to say, according to pokrovsky i will not say anything, here ask those who... there are there several of our brigades are very well-known and there are press services working part-time, they are trying to break through on foot, these are not mobs, about whom many jokes were made, they are not mobilized, they are some quite experienced , difficult opponent with experience, that is, they are not

some kind of rookies, well, yes and they threw all their forces precisely in the direction of pokrovsky, precisely there advancing in the grodivka area, precisely there , in fact, to the track and to pokrovsy. myrnohrad and some settlements pass to others, such an agglomeration turns out, we will have to see such battles if they continue to continue, or what could this be related to, the fact that they made a big fist, and somehow it is related, for example, to the fact that our military is indignant, because they also learned that, for example, the bidding for the 100,000 flowers are bought, as they say, time to buy. this is how the local government works, is it related to this, or is it related to the fact that we were told that in this direction there will be legendary concreted defense lines, like real military structures, and not just

two or three trenches dug by an excavator based on tractor, how can you explain that they have been able to do so for the last two weeks, well, let's say that 's enough. to advance powerfully, roma, well , the tactics of the enemy, she understood, they were talking about this a few months ago, they are pressing along the entire front line like water, and somewhere they found a loophole, into this loophole they begin to advance, and this loophole becomes the priority direction, and all the reserves of combat advance are thrown there, precisely at such a point, where our defense cracked and gave such a gap, it became a thicket, where they entered and thickly they they are advancing, they are advancing, this is the pokrovsk direction, uh, well, i am not... an expert, but we have discussed this with my comrades more than once, and there is the impression that they will not take pokrovsk, for example, they do not need it, their task is to get out to the pokrovsk-konstantynivka highway and cut us off from zaporizhia to the donetsk grouping, from zaporizhia. in the plans,

it seems to me, they had big plans to go from the dlyman direction and cut us off from the kharkiv region, then a big cauldron and it’s a disaster for us, but that’s all on the map see, everyone understands. it seems to me that the number of big assaults suddenly increased from five to somewhere between 20 and 30, but they passed. it was around 10 a.m. again there, they really want to break through in the lumansk direction, they are not succeeding there, and this is our rear, it is important for us, we are following, in pokrovsk, i think that they will go to the city, they want to go to the city, cut the highway, they are already shelling it, and pokrovsk will simply shell, climb, put a lot of people on the assault on pokrovsk, there is no military sense, and mirnograd will also be destroyed, as bahmud, because there is already serious. this is actually a part of pokrovsk, these are two cities that are very, very close, the former names are krasnom and

dymitrov, now myrnograd and pokrovsk, it’s just that myrnograd is closer to the firing line, it’s 10 km more convenient there than pokrovsk, mr. kirill, we still have just a minute , they write that they lack water, does it not stop them, they find some alternative ways, some dirty and disgusting methods, to replenish water reserves. or how does it happen? it's summer now, if you break away from your loved ones, break away from logistics, then water and bc are the first thing you run out of. that is why there were cases when our logistics groups were under fire control under a time warp, and water was dropped from drones. ugh. we have very good things from our partners to purify water, from puddles, from puddles, from rivers, from ponds, it's exciting, but of course it's better when you have water. water is now a matter of survival. therefore, even in the heat, when... they can be surrounded, there is no need to storm the positions in a day, they go out on their own, because it is impossible to fight without water. you had such an experience,

yes, when you were surrounded and they were already without water they could, then they had to return, you had such a thing in the past, last year , our thunder division near bakhmut took an entire enemy position, they simply surrounded it, and they had no logistics, and the enemy got out in two days and surrendered on its own. mr. kyrylo, thank you for being with us, thank you for... explanation kyrylo sazonov, serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine and political analyst on the espresso tv channel. let's summarize what is happening along the entire front line. in a few minutes and with our daily expert serhiy zgurets. in a few minutes, please wait. tired of the mess in the kitchen, constantly having to sort through a bunch of pans to find the right one. you need a savery pro set. unpack the savevory pro tv pans fold into each other and take up so little space, and the price is only from

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what helps save the lives of our defenders, this is the most important thing for... us now, and these are actually very hot directions, this is pokrovsky, this is donetsk, this is where are happening a lot now important events, let's at least financially support them with hryvnias and be together with our soldiers. serhii sgurets, our daily expert, director of the information and consulting company defense express, is now in touch with us. mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine. geromslava, good morning, i greet you, i greet our viewers. you know, what we are interested in is that... we hope that the russians will withdraw their troops from the front line, that's what everyone is talking about, there is information here that they are withdrawing their troops from the wrong donetsk region, and from kaliningrad to kurshchyna, which way is it, is it through lithuania by train or by sea, how does it

happen, mr. serhiy? well, in fact, when russia begins to withdraw forces there for... reserves from other directions in order to resist the ukrainian offensive in the kurt region, this is precisely the operational consequences of our offensive actions, and in general , the enemy really transfers forces and means there from in the afternoon, we saw from the kherson region, from zaporizhzhia, we saw overturning from the kharkiv areas, which... er border on our combat lines, and indeed saw a statement there by the minister of defense of lithuania that russia is even starting to transfer troops from kaliningrad. i think that let's wait for further, let's say, confirmations, because in any case we understand that now the enemy is trying

to saturate this area in the kut region as much as possible, leaving in fact the main forces, as before, in the pokrovsky and turkish directions, from where the transfer of russian troops is not happening, but in any case, i will repeat myself, this is precisely the forcing of russia to rethink the lines front until the search for forces that can be directed to the kurt region, which may not be the only region that is subject to such influence from the ukrainian side, it is precisely these important effects that i understand about... were predicted by the ukrainian side during planning and carrying out this operation in the kursk region? and the statement from the side of ukraine confirming that we are not interested in occupying any and holding other people's territories, this was a statement of the ministry of foreign affairs, meanwhile glavkom syrskyi says 74 settlements, does this mean that this

the operation has some deadlines, we don't know what, and then one way or another, if we are not for... interested in these territories, does this mean that there will be an exit from kurshchyna, or how to decipher such statements? well, in fact, the spokesman of the ministry of foreign affairs said that we are forced to carry out such operations because, on the one hand, it complicates russia's movement of reserves there, the use of force, and we would not have resorted to this if, relatively speaking, we had granted permission to use foreign weapons for strikes on those objects, rear areas, groupings of russian forces, were used before that to carry out attacks on our cities and villages, using these opportunities, or for... the wounds of our partners to use long-range weapons, this is what the spokesman of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine said yesterday, but at the same time we understand that the operation in kursk

region has precisely tactical, operational, strategic goals, we can now talk about each of the components of these goals, but the question of time and the ultimate goal of this operation, i think that these are those things that are unlikely whether it will be possible to determine now, because they will depend. a number of factors, in particular, how the russian federation will react, how many reserves will be transferred, how we will build our, let's say, line of defense, whether it will pass there, in particular there along the line starting from rylsk, koreneve suja, there and further east, will there be other lines of defense, will we hold these lines of defense for a long time, in what way, will we... use such tactics of approaches to the conduct of hostilities, when at the expense of artillery, the limited use of hymers, we will destroy the approaches of the enemy, their

reserves at a distance, as was the case in particular with the attack on the colony of russian troops near rylsk, where about 100 to 300 russian soldiers were destroyed, the numbers are different, given , and of course, will we be able to create such a situation there... conditionally speaking, we will create such a bridgehead where the enemy pulls up reserves, and we, due to the use of long-range systems and the cover of our anti-aircraft defense, actually overshadow these reserves and forces, and this is actually ours quite i am satisfied, because in this way we will be able to make such a meat grinder in this part of the front, and on russian territory, this is such an optimistic indicator, yes, mr. serhiu, but please tell me, that is, we see the transfer of human reserves. including conscripts, they don't hide it anymore, but there are quite strange events taking place against this background, when lukashenko says that he gave

the belarusian army the task of going to learn how to shoot properly for joint exercises in russia, and against this background it turns out that they are starting to transfer equipment that is not in warehouses, on the balance sheet of the belarusian army is simply transferred to russia at its request, is it somehow connected with... specifically with the kurdish operation, or is it connected in general with exhaustion and the fact that along the entire front line , the russians hide equipment, they don’t use it much, they are no longer there, when we talk about belarus, there were two such interesting fragments, when at first belarus said that there was no threat from ukraine, withdrew its units, and then, when our kurdish operation, lukashenko started talking about... what we returned there there polonaises, operational tactical complexes on duty, pulled them up to the border, so that there began such a certain catavasia in the very

explanations on the part of lukashenko, but now there is information that there is really an attempt to transfer equipment from the fighting orders of the belarusian army to the russian federation. let me remind you that since the beginning of the large-scale invasion, belarus transferred a significant amount of ammunition, equipment, artillery, tanks, supplies to the soviet army, and it was the impression that actually all the supplies of the belarusians, which could have been there and continued to be transferred, have already were exhausted, but now there is an impression that equipment is being transferred from battle formations, we do not yet know the volume of the transfer of this equipment, they are unlikely to be significant there, but in what way are they being transferred, and i hope, or i conclude, that it is probably under the guise of these maneuvers , when belarusian equipment is seconded to russian training grounds there and may be transferred to russian units there, of course, this indicates that in general the reserves of the russian army

are being depleted, but in any case , these reserves are still significant enough to certain period of time, which can be measured by hand, to still conduct combat operations, and here precisely the main question now is not taking into account the quantity of equipment, ammunition, but the fact that such asymmetric actions should be used. which force the enemy to stretch the front line, to look for equipment, to look for personnel, this is happening as a result of the combat operations of the ukrainian army in kurshchyna, this offensive operation is currently still in the development stage, it is far from finished, and we now have a situation there, when there, conditionally speaking, the length of the front line on the territory of the russian federation, if we take it from west to east, is about 60 km, and the depth. wedges from 10 to 30 km, and now, relatively speaking, there is still no clear front line, just like the actions of our mobile groups in

the format. e operational-maneuver group, in general from our brigades operating on the territory of the russian federation, they are now precisely creating a completely different format of combat operations, which allows us to say that asymmetric decisions and speed, the interaction of various structures, bodies, intelligence organs and so on, it just allows you to compensate or even in certain areas have an advantage over the enemy, who theoretically have a larger number of personnel and equipment. mr. sergey, we have three minutes left. literally you mentioned that more and more equipment is needed, we need advanced equipment for the f-16. we saw a photo from the southern operational command wishing you a happy and successful missile hunt on the suspension of this aircraft, an aim-120 amraam missile. do we have enough of them? missiles and what can be done with them, that is, how they

can work to the maximum. effective pilots on the f-16? well, i think that despite the optimistic photo with the abraham missiles, for now, well, i think that we are still planning and training pilots to operate in a fairly difficult airspace, where russia also has the ability to influence our planes. i would now rather highlight another trend that has been noticeable recently and even. since the morning there were reports that ukrainian drones attacked the resort there in savasliyka from which the eyes of mig-31 take off, before that we saw reports of strikes on e-e lithuanian baltimore in the voronezh region 200 km before that we know that there were strikes on the morozovsk airfield, there were strikes on lipetsk.

the enemy airfield, that is, now this component of strikes by our drones on the front-line airfields of the enemy, as well as on airfields that can be used by the mig-31, this is just an absolutely important and new trend that has become massive, exactly, i think it is exactly tangential to carrying out operations in the same kursk region, because it significantly limits the enemy's use of aviation, and now having cleared... the enemy's airfields, reducing the enemy's aviation potential, carrying out strikes on its air defense means, only later, we will probably move on to using the potential of the f-16 in limited opportunities, understanding all the risks, and when we talk about the amram missile that is shown in the photo, i hope that we will still get versions of these missiles with a range of 160 km that will really be able to provide some parity, and with certain tactical approaches

and... an advantage in hunting russian su-34 bombers, which use cabs to strike our defense line and our populated cities. thank you, mr. sergey, for the information, thank you for the clarification. serhii sgurets, the director of the defense express information and consulting company , was at the television station and we already have the morning briefing from the air force. so, this night over ukraine , the russians launched 23 shaheds and... two kh-5969 missiles, our defenders of the sky managed to shoot down 17 of these attack uavs, unfortunately, five, six, six of them, and both missiles failed to shoot down, we have already heard about some consequences in chernihiv oblast and zhytomyr oblast, about hitting infrastructure objects, we will learn more later, and it's getting close to 9:00, that's the moment of silence. we

honor the memory of all those who died because of the russian occupiers on our ukrainian land. let's observe a moment of silence in memory of ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia.