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artificial intelligence itself should help reveal some kind of hidden corruption history, how it will work and actually, how did they come up with it and why did they decide to take artificial intelligence for help, i will tell a little about this is really honest, a few weeks ago we started cooperation with one of the american companies, and this company is founded by a ukrainian, and it is quite advanced in the topic of artificial intelligence, they make products for legal corporations and companies in order to minimize risks in contracts and risks during purchases, and since the founder of the company is ukrainian, he also wanted such a product to help ukraine, and accordingly, a module was added that allows analyzing ukrainian
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legislation, you know, it is done very quickly, that is, if we have a draft law that has been submitted to the parliament, and our analysts sit down, try to study it, and connect it, combine it with other legislation, with other regulatory acts, in order to understand where there are risks after all, and what are not so with this bill, and it can sometimes take several days, because bills are quite voluminous, on the other hand, if we use artificial intelligence, then... the process of analyzing the document lasts about one minute. of course, not all the risks that this program points out are worth it to take into account, because, i would say, they are already too scrupulous about the rule-making processes, however, it very often happens that artificial intelligence helps to pay attention to those points that can be omitted. politicians, that is, we are not talking about
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the fact that artificial intelligence will attack ukrainian bills and find all the corruption there, of course not, we are talking about such a balanced cooperation on the one hand with software, on the other with analysts, i don't know about other examples such uses of artificial intelligence in order to thoroughly analyze the legislation in ukraine, it will be honest... hopefully the first in this area, there have already been some test tasks to see, in general, how artificial intelligence works, we remember when it first appeared gpd chat, the first version was like this, well, not that it wasn't long, but there were many such small moments when we all laughed about it, a little time passed and we understand that a lot of companies effectively use even such simple versions as in this case? have you already seen where artificial
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intelligence is effective, but where does it still need to be improved? and look, if we talk about the first, first versions of gpt, then maybe it wasn't so bad, as we didn't know how to use it, because most people used it like google and wanted something, we remember some stories about ourselves, but artificial intelligence develops and learns, the same with this product that we are working with, currently it allows working with complete bills. one of the disadvantages is that it does not yet know how to compare comparative tables, because we know how the law-making process takes place in our country, that the draft law is radically changed even before the second reading, and that's where we have to find amendments, because sometimes this devil hides in the amendments, that is, there are certain limitations, but the product can also be taught, that's why we further plan to use top experts so
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that they give feedback on the work and analytics from artificial intelligence, so that we can, i don't even know, deepen it, expand it, to teach it. and show how a person thinks, in which direction to move. we already tried to analyze several bills, for example, we took as a test version the bill, we remember, there was a rather scandalous one in 56-55 about the city building reform, and a lot was written about it by various organizations and unions of architects and anti-corruption organizations, we analyzed this bill and the tool showed a very... a large number of risks and in fact all the things that were said and the warnings that the anti-corruptionists were talking about, they were all reflected in it. again, we tried on one of the draft laws in the field of ecology about industrial pollution, and the product also gives
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several recommendations. and as far as i'm concerned , recommendations are important, that is, these are pilot attempts. the more we... use the tool, the more it can do, but we can already see moments where it needs to be reprogrammed, again, this is what i'm saying about edits and tables before the second reading, the developers are very open and it is in their interests that the product works not only at the enterprise level, but also that they can use it for such important points as detecting anti-corruption measures in the legislation. mrs. vito, and the workers, honestly, do not worry that they will be replaced sooner or later by the gpt chat or some other analog, i mean some artificial intelligence, or after all human potential and human work, it will still be integral in this process part, look, i would
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n't talk about this at all, because these two resources work in pairs, artificial intelligence cannot currently work alone, but what it allows, it allows very... quickly and with sufficient quality to analyze significant volumes information, that is, let's imagine what a lawyer can keep in his head, for example, in the environmental field, and gpt has, no, not gpt, but this tool has access to all the laws that have been adopted in this field, to the conclusions of the main expert management with indicating the risks, er, we will also now work on the fact that he can compare ukrainian and european legislation. legislation, because we know that this important project of integration into the european union is underway and there will be a consolidation and balancing of legislation, here this the tool can also be useful, that is, i would rather consider it as such a super cool assistant for an analyst, for a lawyer,
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to free up time for such more thorough and meaningful work, because if the tool helps to identify such superficial. risks, then a lawyer-analyst with their knowledge, with their understanding of how these schemes can be concluded and how they can be used, well, so far it is impossible to replace them. it's great that you now have such an assistant, but there is always the threat that the same assistant can be used by a friend party, that is, to work in the reverse order, for example, when the task is to invent a loophole or write a document in such a way that it actually these risks were present there, so that they could later be applied to the hand of someone not very virtuous. how to deal with it then, if not only you will use for the bright side. wow, we are already discussing the actual wars of artificial
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intelligence, so technology. well, look, we use the tool purely from the virtuous side, that is, in order to... improve law-making process in ukraine, so we did not think about using it from the other side, i hope the people's deputies, and those who develop it , did not do it either. oksana already gave a hint too late, the idea does not come to one person's head, so we must always take all risks into account, and this is also a risk. yes, well, i think that they will not listen to this tip of yours, but, well... of course there is a possibility, and you have to look at things realistically, because what brings benefits, it can also bring harm, for example, we see how on the one hand, artificial intelligence helps to create content, yes, and on the other hand, when there is uncontrolled generation
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of content, deep fakes and disinformation, that is, it is a tool, you understand whose goals and objectives it serves, that is how it works. will it be possible, or do you see the possibility of actually checking that, so that artificial intelligence can check itself, or will a person still have to do it? well, look, there is a process. constant training and this is its big plus. yes, as you said, how changed gbt from the first version to now, the same law, the same tool learns when it receives quality feedback on its work. uh, there are certain mechanisms that provide quality control, so to speak, but i can't honestly tell you if there is self-checking involved. ot. thank you, in any case, it will be interesting to observe over time how much will change,
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in general, the texts of various legislative acts will also change, and how it will all work, maybe there will be fewer different corruption schemes and it will become more difficult for someone unscrupulous to promote something there. vita dumanska was with us, the leader of the honest movement and about how modern... technologies help us make our country better, and by the way, about modern technologies that help make our country better, now you see this qr code , also technologies that help in just a few clicks to join the collection, which we are currently conducting together with the vesna charity fund. we remind you that our goal is uah 3.5 million. we are collecting money for three units, the third separate assault unit brigades of the 47th and 110th brigades of the armed forces of ukraine on drones. and means of radio-electronic warfare, our collection continues, please join this qr code on this
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leading lawyers of the aktum bar association will answer these and other questions that concern ukrainians. watch every tuesday at 7.55 in the program legal expertise on the espresso tv channel. we return to our air about money, about schemes, we talk further in our air. olena shcherban, deputy executive director and head of the legal department of the anti -corruption center. contact us. mrs. olena, congratulations, glory to ukraine. good day, heroes, glory. which one our history continues like this, i would say, the first series, the second series, here is another series, we didn't have time to recover from one scandal, looking at the bundles of bills in the trunk, it's already fresh here, kirylenko that time pavlo us amused, the head of the antimonopoly committee, it turned out that he has a little more than he could
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and should have, if everything was honest, from... where did this parade of revelations and revelations come from? why now actually a little more, just for a minute for 52 million hryvnias. and indeed, if we talk about the case of kyrylenka, then the criminal proceedings actually began in june of this year, after the journalists of the radio liberty schemes made public their... there is an investigation into the huge fortunes of the head of the antimonopoly committee, which are not could actually be explained by some legal income, and the journalists of course had doubts that all these assets were actually acquired by kyrylenko from some legal income, and it seems that
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nabu detectives and prosecutors also came to the same conclusion that they were not actually the assets of the kyrilenko family explain legal income and were actually suspected of illegal enrichment, i will explain a little so that the audience can understand what such a crime is, it appeared in our legislation relatively recently, and its essence is because we physically, neither the law enforcement officers nor the country can catch every official for a bribe, yes, but it is possible to track more easily when an official has to spend these bribes , i.e. tries to buy some assets, cars, real estate, and so on, because simply not everyone is able to simply accumulate money and keep it in the sofa for a long period, usually you want to spend bribes on something to invest in something, and the actual essence of this crime is that if such expensive purchases
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of property that cannot be explain to the legal income, that is, you cannot show your tax returns. you can't actually show some business that brought you only income in order to buy seven apartments, garages, cars there, then you are suspected of illegal enrichment, because you are an official, and accordingly, during the period when you are an official, you should spend only the money that you legally earned as an official, or you that you legally earned before your official status, and actually, as it turned out, no sir? neither his entourage, his family, in fact, all together could not make it to provide some reasonable evidence that the income in the family was for such property, and the property is quite large, as i have already said, we are talking about uah 52 million, and we are talking about several apartments in the city of kyiv and uzhhorod, we are talking about a luxury car, it's about other premises and other
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real estate objects, actually, and in the end , here it is... the detectives found this value of the property, today a preventive measure will be considered in court, but, you know, the most upsetting thing is that this person, the manager antimonopoly committee, that is, it is key the body in the country, which should be engaged in the same deoligarization, which should be responsible for ensuring that the market, the economy, works on the basis of competition, that everything is absolutely healthy processes in our country. is happening, nevertheless, we see that the head of this institution, today, is suspected of being illegally enriched, and that's not all, after you have already released. there was a journalistic investigation, when it was already known that a criminal case had been initiated, krylenka was also appointed as a negotiator from ukraine to the group that conducts
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negotiations with the european union regarding our integration, that is, we imagine that a person with this train actually also represents us officially on the international, on the international arena, and this happened already after the suspicions against this person were actually voiced. and journalists and law enforcement officers, all the same, everyone was waiting for it to acquire such a legal framework, yes, and to this day he remains a negotiator for our country, i actually wanted to ask about this, ms. elena, how does it come to this, is there already and publicity and everyone is talking about it, so instead of trying somehow hide connections with such a person, on the contrary , everything is brought to the surface, they shake hands with each other, why is this happening, what is wrong? you know, i think that this is a culture carried by the government, where the main thing is to be your own for
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the system, to make the right decisions, and not, unfortunately, it is not about any reputation, responsibility, complex decisions about responsibility to society, unfortunately, we often witness when people who are accused of corruption are not released, but wait there for the consideration of cases, when those accusations are even very serious and are confirmed by the state with a lot of evidence, people are often not released, there now it is rarely an exception, when they are released, or they are released there after a year or two, it is the same system, the fact is that in our country the punishment should not be in the form of dismissal from office, but actual imprisonment in prison, if a person is guilty of this or that crime, and i would just like us to discuss with you in the allotted time and... yet another matter , which is now very much bothering the ukrainian language society, because we are talking about the deputy of one of the very important departments in our country, the deputy minister of energy, and
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in fact the minister of energy himself in this case is supposedly a good knight, at least the security service of ukraine tries to present it that way, although nabu isab about what exactly with his help, the deputy was kidnapped, they don't mention whether galushchenko could have been... the person who helped and contributed to the exposure, or was he the person who was the one who covered it up? and you know, to our deep conviction from the analysis of what actually happened, we were also present at the court hearings to obtain a preventive measure for this official that you mention, and the key conclusion is that when the key investigative body nabuy syab and actually the key prosecutors do not mention.. . about any assistance, it means there was none, and when the security service, a politically controlled body, says that there was assistance from the minister, but does not indicate what this assistance
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consists of, it looks very strange, yes, because assistance well, it's possible, in fact, it's when you know that a corrupt person works for you, you came, exposed him, turned him in yourself, well , this situation obviously did not exist here, what was the contribution then, in that the door to the ministry was opened for searches, and not for... pounced on , well, this is also a very controversial story, for us it looks more like a desire to actually smear the minister, since there in journalistic circles, in circles close to the ministry, everyone knows that mr. hailo, the deputy, who was suspected of taking bribes this bribe, in fact, he is close to the minister of energy mr. galushchenko, that's why well, in our opinion, this is actually an attempt to exonerate the minister from the fact that he also has... to bear political responsibility for this story, moreover, the case continues to be investigated, well, i do not rule out that there will be new facts in it, which will also be able to to indicate the involvement of galushchenko himself.
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for some reason, the energy sector is actually the area where there are a lot of different scandals. a little more than a year ago, probably yuriy nikolov said in one of the interviews that he assumed that it was in this area that various companies would want to build corruption schemes after... both the investigators and the relevant authorities did so that there are restrictions in others, and here we have from kharkiv oblast, the story, we all cheered for the region, we understand that we are actually completely without electricity supply and will be until winter it is difficult, but there was someone who decided that it is also possible to make money here in kharkiv region, does this mean that now the relevant authorities and yours, in particular, will take care of... in more detail, more carefully these territories of kharkiv region, maybe some others, where there are large destructions, but at the same time an investment,
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because no one wants to leave... our country without energy resources for the winter? and you know, if we talk about the destruction in the field of energy, of course i'm not an expert, i'm a lawyer, but even from those public data of the procurement system, we see that the restoration of the energy system and energy facilities is happening all over the country, and of course, the ministry of energy itself, this is the key body responsible for the development of policies, for the allocation of resources in this area, therefore for construction in this area, by the way, well, we know that there are very large projects, in particular with reconstruction, including nuclear power plants, from their construction, where simply crazy money can be allocated, unprecedented, and many experts already have huge doubts about whether it is worth investing in it now in principle, so of course there are very big questions when a person whose deputy is people...
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who took bribes of 500,000 dollars for basic things in order to simply evacuate equipment from the front-line zone to western ukraine, of course, people under the cover of such a minister can take bribes much more bigger, much more serious things, taking into account the resources at the disposal of the ministry, that's why this area should be cleaned, it should be strictly met all the possible criteria of transparency there for... this should also be adopted by the appropriate legislation, and for this it is necessary, of course , so that there is maximum trust in the officials who lead these structures. and tell me, please, i would like to clarify more about this case of kostyantyn logvynenko, they say that he can be connected not only with herman galushchenko, but also with the head of the kharkiv military administration, do you know anything about this? in fact, to be honest, we haven't had time to analyze the connections yet, but... in principle,
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if we talk about regional corruption schemes one way or another, then even according to a preliminary analysis, as it happens, usually the heads of local military administrations are otherwise involved in these things, or oversee them, and we know that even there on the ground there are conflicts between local self-government and between the heads of the military administrations, because most of the resources now still come from the state, and it is the heads of the military... administrations often combine such functions as a person looking after the relevant region and a person who distributes resources and influences key decisions, therefore , in fact, if such there are, without the appropriate, let's say, curatorial approval, similar schemes in the regions, they basically don't work. mrs. elena, thank you for the clarification, we literally have 30 seconds, and
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maybe you can also tell us which... sphere, apart from energy, is currently under such an aim and center anti-corruption and other bodies, in fact, where you also see possible schemes and abuses. 30 seconds please. you know, our attention is very seriously aimed at the spheres of defense, security and defense, procurement, now there are many reasons for optimism, but nevertheless, always now huge resources of the country go to this... sphere, here we have to be especially careful, and, of course, everything related to construction, restoration, it is always a standard, particularly risky thing in our country, thank you. olena shcherban, deputy executive director, manager of the legal department of the anti-corruption center, was in direct contact with us, talking about the latest corruption scandals that concern not only the ministry of energy, but also our other bodies. well, it's already
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16 o'clock on the clock, which means that the time has come. news and we pass the floor to our colleague anna eva melnyk, colleague, in fact, we pass the baton to you and ask you to share what you will talk about in this issue. congratulations, thank you for your work, we, the news editor, will continue to work, we will tell you about the most important things, in particular, who headed the first commandant's office in the kursk region. all the details are below, stay with us. and i will start with this, the enemy almost approached the outskirts of pokrovsk in donetsk region. serhiy dobryak, the head of the pokrovsk city military administration, announced this. according to him, it remains.
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