not to do this, and at first i thought that this was a possible development of an operation to eliminate one of the leaders of a terrorist group called the russian federation, but now i assume the opinion that then the russians , seeing the accumulation of forces and means of the ukrainian defense forces on their own border, warned the americans, because ukraine does not exist in their imagination, we are, well, in fact american proxies, if washington told us something, we from... under the visor and did it, probably, if it is true, then we simply reacted the way we reacted , that is, they continued to prepare the operation, they started it, and maybe this was the reason that the russians did not prepare there, this is my assumption, but in any case, we saw a confused fuehrer of the russian mayor, who instead of a counter-terrorist operation called the situation there, which on one on the other hand, he really had a dilemma as to who should... be responsible for

this operation, because if this is a special military operation on the territory of ukraine, then how can the armed forces of the russian federation be involved, that is, the whole construction is pseudo, so it is not a war of the russian federation , she would collapse, and so he chose the fsb, fsb, i apologize, as the main body that will restore order, and also appointed his observer, who is not in the hierarchy of political or other management. and the russian federation, but is a trustee. then, of course, putin, putin has several dilemmas. our operation delivered. and i'm not just talking about the fact that he needs to counter ukraine in some way, and that's why he may have to withdraw more resources from the hot front there in the east. maybe he will have a dilemma about the occasion announcement of general mobilization. and this will be a blow to his prestige and even more. since

it will mean that not only the convicts and those who got mad money went to kill ukrainians, but they will take everyone in turn and in particular from big cities, including moscow and st. petersburg, it is clear that this will not increase the popularity of mr. putin , well, i also think that putin understands that those around him, even all these comrades from the ozera cooperative, caddy players, are dissatisfied. there is warfare, and perhaps even there, may be through a certain time, if not stabbing, then a certain, certain opposition to his actions, i don't know whether august, which is traditionally dangerous for any power in the kremlin, will end with putin being removed, or something, god forbid, will happen to his health , so basically we saw his confusion, how to act, he didn't choose the right words, and plus he needed to show something. to his friends

xi jinping kinchen-in and moolah in iran, because he is the head of the largest nuclear force, here representatives of a country that does not exist invaded his territory, that is, in principle, all these things they press upon him. john kirby, the white house's national security adviser, says putin is concerned about the situation in kursk oblast and is looking for ways to counter ukraine's push north, but he is not ready. to use nuclear weapons, to quote mr. alexander, john kirby. if he's moving troops there, he's somewhat concerned about what's going on. i don't know if this qualifies as drunk or not, but he is definitely reacting to what is happening in kursk oblast, but we have not seen or heard no escalating rhetoric, especially on nuclear weapons in recent days, kirby noted. how, mr. oleksandr, can you explain the reactions? putin's position and, in general, the reaction

of the russian leadership, which up until now has said by mouth, including dmitry medvedev, that if there is a threat to the territory of the russian federation, then they will use their military doctrine, according to which they can use nuclear weapons, in case , if it threatens the territorial integrity of the russian federation, why do we not see such a reaction putin does this mean that these red lines, which the kremlin talked about for so long, simply disappeared, they do not exist, and now, in principle, the whole world understands that putin and medvedev are the ones who are constantly bluffing, but you know, spokeswoman of the white house, in fact said that if putin did not escalate the situation, meaning a nuclear escalation, this does not mean that it will not happen in the future, and thus ... she explained why

the policy of banning strikes by missile systems is still unchanged by americans on russian territory, maybe putin and his environment. they were simply paralyzed by the fear of what happened, understanding the possible consequences, and therefore even completely forgot about the red button, but on the other hand, there are other things, well, the first and most important thing is that americans usually listen to rhetoric, including dmitry medvedev, who for silence and already forgot about this red button as well, and most importantly , they are looking at the possible preparation for the use of tactical nuclear. and by the way, the principles of the state policy of nuclear testing of the russian federation are among those, let's say, reasons that can lead to the use of nuclear weapons by the russian federation, there is no border crossing or seizure of any territory

of the russian federation, there are other cases that could fit our case, for example, it is striking nuclear systems and means. deterrence, recently we destroyed another m-22 tu-22m strategic nuclear bomber, and this year we struck the sprn, that is, it is an early warning system of a missile attack, and actually, according to the doctrine, then russia could, legitimately from the point of view of the russian legislation to strike at ukraine, but it did not even prepare for this, and the rhetoric of course remained rhetoric, so i think... that in the west they understand the flexibility, the elasticity of the red lines of the russian federation, they understand that ukraine has shown the ability to change the course of this war , i hope that the kurdish operation, this is the black swan that will bury this regime, this

russian federation, and of course, that they have no choice but to support us and help us with armed ammunition, and this of course, in the context of the elections with... the united states, by the way, such a change in the position of the united states, well, if we assume that they knew that such an operation was planned, agreed to it and gave permission to strike deep into the russian territory this means that there has been a transition in the administration, in fact the formulation of the policy on ukraine from jake sullivan to phil gordon, it is the national security adviser, camila harris to the vice president, and of course, if she becomes the president, sooner. after all, he will head the council of national security, perhaps they thought that against the background of those positive electoral successes, and camila harris has now somewhat detached herself from donald trump, and she has a very positive dynamic, that it is necessary to add positive news from ukraine to her portfolio, and

that is exactly why we can consider , that help to increase aid to ukraine, to reduce the number of restrictive rules, this can be invested. in the election campaign of kamila garis. mr. oleksandr, in parallel with our successes in kurshchyna, we observe activity, informational activity in international media, in particular in the american press, and in the wall street journal writes that the ukrainians were allegedly involved in the detonation, nord stream ii, and this whole story was blown up in the 22nd year that. it seems that ukrainian saboteurs were involved in this, and the former head of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhnyi, is accused of this, so we see a fairly powerful attempt to present or,

shall we say, present ukrainians on the international stage as saboteurs and terrorists, and this is obvious not by chance either, and despite the fact that the wall street journal has the reputation of an international media there, in this situation, we obviously have to perceive it as a part of the informational and psychological special operation of the russians, how should ukraine react in this situation and how should the ukrainian leadership to prove that it is not ukrainians who are terrorists, the terrorists are actually russians, it is obvious that such a special operation, which took place at the bottom of the baltic sea with nord stream-2, could be organized by a sufficiently powerful, subversive and terrorist state, such as russia. yes, there really is a lot here technical points, and to be honest, it is simply ridiculous that on a small commercial

yacht it was possible to transport half a ton or more of explosives there and then, well, actually mount these explosives without special equipment. and blow up the gas pipeline, which is buried 15 meters below the soil at the bottom of the sea, and it is clear that it is simple, well, i would like our special services. the marine center that we have, indeed they are professional, nice guys, but it is a specific, specific environment, and to be honest , i have doubts that we have so professional people and the most important equipment that would allow to do this, in any case, our partners should be shown evidence, and not just what someone said there, whether the camera recorded people of some kind of sporty appearance, who are loading something onto the yacht , that is, let's look at... the facts themselves, the second point is the positive reaction of germany itself, where it was already said

that even if they were ukrainians, this would in no way affect the support of ukraine, because these are not related things, protection of ukraine from the genocidal war and what happened to the north stream-2. i looked at the reaction of the expert community of the west, american, british and others. in general, european as a whole, they ask the question absolutely in a ukrainian way, whether it was bad, even if it is ukrainians, it was bad to destroy the tool with which putin actually conquered europe, and whether, on the contrary, it is not necessary to conduct an investigation into the role of schröder, merkel and many others, which despite, let's say, ukraine's objections, despite the advice of that trump himself, you remember, as at the session of the general. said that we are protecting you, and you are building gas plants and are going

to buy more gas from russia, they were smiling then, so basically the situation is like this, let them show the evidence, let's see, i don't think that the ukrainian authorities should do more than what they did, because she denied our involvement, i honestly do not think that the situation was such that zelensky first gave the green light, and then stopped this operation, and here... someone else, whether it was zaluzhny, or budanov, i don't know, who else simply ignored the president and decided to carry out such an act, so it seems to me that we just need to keep calm, not react to these non-provocative things, and i absolutely agree that in a strange way this news, it appeared when the ukrainian military is carrying out an important mission in kursk , and of course, that partially interrupts the agenda. in this western information market, well, you have to remember that in the early

2000s, you remember, there was the whole chain mail story, when they tried to accuse ukraine of selling chain mail to iraq, and this whole story was in the international media, including the press, and a lot of people had to make excuses and explain that ukraine did not do this, but then the resources... obviously, the russians had more opportunities and capacities than the ukrainians in order to warm up this topic and in this way take steps to bring ukraine under president kuchma closer to russia, already then the president of the russian federation. and finally, mr. alexander, trump publicly accused biden of russia's invasion of ukraine, the candidate... of the republican party said on elon musk's platform x broadcast, how do you feel about

these statements of trump, this is trump's campaign rhetoric, that he is saying that everything that was before me, or everything that was before my possible arrival, that's all wrong, biden is to blame for everything, or is it some common position of the conventional republican party there, and the republicans also believe that... if it were not for biden, the situation in ukraine and between russia and ukraine would have developed in a completely different way. i think it's trump's stream of consciousness that's welcome he is picked up by his associates, these maga, let's say this nato, and of course ordinary americans, republicans, who belong to trump, or rather to the trump cult. i don't think there is any doubt that russia is eating. guilty of the fact that she attacked ukraine among conscious, traditional republicans,

i am not talking about democrats, that is why this is an exclusive pre-election rhetoric, secondly, you know, we live in such a, shall we say, world, when the ideas of enlightenment, based on on the mind, on the logic of thinking, they are now in decline, because when trump says, if i were the president... putin would not have attacked ukraine, this is called an unreal past in english, that is, it is something that simply cannot be verified, because we cannot in history. to put experiments from winding back, so he uses it, and, unfortunately, i did not see, in particular, anyone protesting this, yes, indeed, under trump there was no escalation of russian aggression against ukraine, there was not much, and in including, for example, an attack on israel by hamas, terrorists of hamas, but this does not mean that

trump restrained it, because there are certain processes, the same russian federation was accumulating forces and means, preparing. undermined our statehood in other ways, actually tried through the minsk agreements to put pressure on the united states . at that time, they were not very interested in interfering in this story, so i think we should just take it as rhetoric, although i am absolutely sure that in trump's head it was like that. that he is the best president of the united states of all time, that his all they are afraid that he can solve any... any problem, because he is not predictable, because he can actually threaten anyone, with anything, that is, this is the type of personality who does not base his actions on reasoning and logic, who can change his an opinion that can come up with any plan at the last minute, and that is precisely why i do not believe that he has any real plan for

ukraine, i think that he is just thinking of meeting putin and zelensky at the same table. and by the power of charisma and threats to achieve something, and what to achieve, well, he certainly is now he does not imagine himself yet. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, and friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. throughout our broadcast, we ask you the following: can the uoc become independent from the roc, 0800 211 381, if you... watch us on tv and you have a smartphone, if you think that the uoc can become independent from the roc, no , 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, everything is quite on youtube simply, yes, no, or please leave your comment in the comments below this video. next, we will be in touch with volodymyr tsybulko, political

analyst, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. welcome words. glory to the hero, let's not start with kursk, let's start with biden and his flirting with the russian opposition, with those people who were released by putin, or exchanged by putin for his terrorists and spies. joseph biden met at the white house with the dismissed from a russian prison by vladimir karamurza and his family, and biden himself actually posted this photo. in the x-line written by the president of the united states of america, today i welcomed volodymyr karamurza and his family to the white house to celebrate his return to america. volodymyr spent 2.5 years of unjust imprisonment in russia for speaking out against russia's war in ukraine, today

his family is whole again. how do you perceive efforts, mr. volodymyr? the united states of america can still find good russians, too it has been a tradition since the days of the soviet union to create or try to maintain this image of some group of people who can return to their homeland and change everything there. this is the soviet mythology. i have the impression that biden supports exactly this. sovietism and soviet dissidence, because he sees that putin lives by it, and biden creates a mirror for him, a mirror in which putin would see himself, so to speak, on the one hand as a continuation of the sovka, sovka traditions, and on the other hand , well

felt powerful, like the soviet bonzas of the party. but we perfectly understand that the current russian federation is not the soviet union at all. secondly, if dissidents are to be hated, or even such a network of dissidents is to be created, then we vividly recall the dissident solzhenitsyn or the dissident marinkovich, who carried such nonsense and such chauvinistic, so to speak, heresy that it was not stretched to the head. but in principle , it is important for democracy to support any opponents of the current fascist russian regime, in the hope that... from these seeds will germinate democratically, i doubt it, mr. vladimir, but the united

states of america is trying to constantly flirt and show this pseudo-russian opposition, and this is also the creation of some kind of false world, because as long as joseph biden will show whether kamala is there harris or donald trump, while they will show russian oppositionists and say, look, these are the people who can oppose putin, until the world will believe that putin, putin is impossible, it is impossible, well, how impossible, to connect with the whole people and carry out denazification, de-rasification, deputization, because putin is bad, and there are good russians. isn't washington now sending false messages to the whole world? well, it's

not actually creating an alternative to putin, it's just an attempt to protect those who challenge putin, it's a slightly different logic, the united states basically, well, they understand the current russia, and they, they think how to encapsulate it, and this regime. eh, how to balance this regime so that it does not finally dissolve into the chinese regime, so that it still remains at least semi-subjective, because, well, china, china sees, looks at russia as a tool of competition with the united states, and the united states, well, the united states has such, well , the idea is cultivated that if in... to pull russia out of the mouth of the chinese dragon, then russia is too early is it too late to democratize, first of all, russia cannot democratize, because for 30 years of that, well

, spam that was sent to the russians of mysk, they simply reformatted their population, and this population does not think in terms of democratic categories, it is, by the way, very, very soviet pater... is dependent, that is, it looks at the state as the only regulator and feeder of them, that is, this population in its mass is not independent, it needs paternalistic support, and because of this , it cannot but pay a price for its own life, putin has to go and die for putin, they go because they can get money for it, they think it's... played the lottery, someone died, and i, and i'll slip through, and i'll survive and i'll have $20,000 there on the account or something else, this is such an infantile way

of thinking, but it is also russian, it is nobility racist fascist, she also thinks in such infantile categories, mr. volodymyr, let's return to ukraine, because zelenskyi made several statements and, in particular, regarding the fact that there should be a decision on the spiritual independence of ukraine from russia, and it is obviously a bill that will prohibit the activity russian religious organizations on the territory of ukraine. mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, wrote today that the committee on humanitarian and information policy supported the amendments to of the final version of the government draft law on banning the uoc-mp, and, as knyazhytskyi writes , unanimously pro'. voted at the committee for the latest amendments, sought compromises, but did not deviate from fundamental issues. we will start the next plenary meeting of the verkhovna rada

with consideration of this issue. well, zelenskyi also announced that among the urgent bills with which president zelenskyi addressed the verkhovna rada, there is a demand to deprive traitors and collaborators of state titles and awards. let's listen to what zelensky said. anyone who serves putin, or justifies his war or helps evil, does not deserve to keep everything that the ukrainian state celebrated him or her with. traitors who fled to russia after february 24, collaborators who work for the war, all criminals who served the russian state, they should be deprived of any ranks and awards in ukraine. is it correct, mr. volodymyr, i understand that on the eve of another independence day, ukraine will meet this day with

a decision on the ban. religious organizations associated with russia and the annulment of the titles of the hero of ukraine, yuriy boyko and people's artists, anna lorak, taisi povaly, and other people who fled outside of ukraine. boyka did not escape, but he is a hero of ukraine. perhaps, after all, he will fall under the category that will allow him to be deprived of this title. i... i will remind you that on the day of the great russian aggression, february 24, the aforementioned boyko was on the air before solov'ov, houses were already bombed in kyiv, people were killed, and boyko for some reason decided that he would talk about the peoples of the brothers on russian airwaves, so in fact, if the authorities were consistent, then the opzh faction is already, or rather, even

a rudiment. the opzh faction would no longer be in the verkhovna rada or in the councils of various levels, in particular the councils of the otg and in the district , regional and city councils, but we see that only in ukraine in general these deputy groups in the councils of various levels were not even that , which are dissolved, but eliminated from voting, even in the kyiv city council, the opz faction remains, and it votes the same way together with... servants, well , all over ukraine, i will kill you, sorry, in all of ukraine in 2020, more than 4 were elected thousands of mps from opzh, and they remained, i.e. only reformed. well, they didn't always stay, if they stayed, then in many councils they were deprived of the right to vote, that is, they formally stay, because

, let's say, the government. took a strange line of behavior in relation to the banned parties, some, some smaller parties, for example, sharia, they were almost kicked out of the framework, but the opzh remains in many councils, in the kyiv region the first fascists voted to deprive them of the right to vote, well, they remain in the councils of all equals, so if the government is consistent, it would also have such a gift. ukrainians to do. do you think that the decision on the opcmp will be resolved next week? briefly, if possible. the problem is that with this law, speaker stefanchuk has already appeared several times to deceive the opposition. and by the way, in those cases too, the committee correctly voted for the introduction of this law, and then stefanchuk found

a reason not to introduce it. well, that's it. it is interesting, because , by the way, they promised european solidarity in front of all of ukraine to start a new meeting with this draft law, this is an intrigue, let's see if they will deceive the ukrainians or not. thank you, mr. volodymyr, this was volodymyr tsybulko, political expert, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel. let's look at the interim results of our television survey. we are today. we ask you about whether the uoc can become independent from the russian orthodox church, 60, 51% think so, 49% no, well, that is 50 to 50. in 45, in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, ahead of the bbc news, olga len and bohdan butkevich will be in the second part of the verdict, don't switch, stay with espresso.

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