always invested effectively in creating the image of such a scarecrow, where putin himself constantly does it, but i will tell you that there is a third point, which in fact is also very special in my opinion, look, they really, how do they think, well first of all , yes, look, let's just understand one important thing for ourselves, that western civilization developed such a simple story for itself after the second world war and the first world war, why are we constantly shouting de-escalation, fu-fu-fu, what is this for crap and so on, but you understand, here they are... from there the first world war in general, as the researchers wrote, no one really wanted a war, but it happened, and why, because no one wanted to stop this escalation, well, everything ended , it is clear how it ended, the second world war, they say, well, we they tried, like , no, no, well, they tried to de-escalate incorrectly, but in fact, it is still necessary to de-escalate, so that there is no great slaughter, that is, you understand, well, from their point of view , they may be right, of course, it is another matter, what if they perceive russia then for big enemy, here we come to the most, probably unpleasant story, and this is primarily what we are talking about... probably about the americans, although

about the europeans and the same germans in the first place, who lived with the russians for 50 years according to the principle of vandel durhandel, i.e. let's trade and that's why no one will want to fight, this was the policy since the end of the 60s of the last century, and the americans have a slightly different phobia, they, how can i say, they also believe that the type that's how they won the cold war, no direct ones of clashes with the soviet union, only some peripheral stories or stories. where it is possible there, let's say, through some there, well, let's say this, pads to act, yes, then it will be ok, and then it will give a result, so they basically repeat the same story now, but they have one huge fear, on which, unfortunately, is constantly being played by russia, is playing very well, and this is not a nuclear war, even i will tell you, but another thing is that russia, okay, russia is falling apart, and in its place this is what americans personally talked before meetings many times, imagine that tomorrow russia disintegrates, putin dies, moscow

loses power and 25 bantustans appear in russia's place, each headed by some kadyrov and each of them has nuclear warheads and what should we do with them, well just so that you understand their thinking, they think so, and i will tell you that until we, as ukraine , offer the west the concept of reorganization and a certain sense of control of this space, where the place of moscow will in a certain sense be taken by kyiv, that is, kyiv will not be the imperial center, and a center that will simply lend a helping hand... to every people who wants to do something there, to every people who wants to self-determine and so on, to promise this people that they will not be left alone in this fickle world and so on, then there is a chance, that the same americans will really begin to seriously expect that, yes, let's destroy russia, but there is one more factor that is the worst for us in this whole story, this is of course the confrontation between the americans and china, and everyone perfectly understands that as soon as the russian central government start to weaken then... part of russia, if not physically, then

in any case from the point of view of influence, financially, in any other way, china will take it, and this is a black nightmare for the americans, because they understand very well that china, in principle, will lose a war with the americans, and they have no chance of winning in a confrontation with the americans, but they appear when china gets the opportunity to have uncontrolled access to russian resources, when they get access, god forbid, to russian nuclear weapons and so on ... will be for americans, of course, a nightmare, and that's why i'm just very afraid that if nobody loves russia there, believe me, you know, those who say there, oh, they want to save russia, but nobody wants to save it, with everyone, well, but they simply calculate the risks, and on the other hand, they think that, as it were, why get involved in a fight and waste your strength, if you can trust them anyway, because speaking is not enough, you also have to try somehow in the process - still drag it, well, putin will die one day, and prevent russia from becoming simply... china's trophy like

the nyaprichniks, you understand, nightingale, here i am it seems like this is the story of this whole story, and i'm sorry that i'm like this, but you know, it's just to say that oh, the stupid west is just afraid of russia, no, it's not just about that, you know, until we offer our vision, what to do with all this, nothing will happen, instead of just shouting, let’s cancel the russians, let’s, no, but that’s great, only they don’t understand why we need it, you explain to us why, well, sorry, that’s it oh... politics is done, friends, yes, and that's how it's done, that's how it's done statements, now let's talk about the statement of the belarusian dictator lukashenka, because against the background of what is happening in kurshchyna, he has already made several statements during the week that we, they say, will defend ourselves from the ukrainians, ukrainian drones are flying into the territory of belarus, although the belarusian forest the monitoring group refuted all these statements, which monitor the movement. of the belarusian and

russian troops said that on august 9, when this statement was heard that they were shooting down ukrainian drones in the sky of belarus, that this was not true, then this khrenin, sorry, this is the name of the minister of defense of belarus, the same minister of defense who, on the eve of the great invasion , convinced oleksiy reznikov that there would be no march of russian troops from belarus to the territory of ukraine. khrenin says that we have drawn tanks, anti-aircraft guns here to the border with ukraine, and iskanders there, and we will defend ourselves, even if they are threatened there, but the belarusian dictator took the floor and said that... he calls on russia and ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table to end the war and threatened to retaliate in the event of a military threat, let's listen to what lukashenko said. we

will respond immediately and adequately, if they want it not to happen, let's sit down at the negotiating table and end this fight, neither the ukrainian people nor... the russians nor the belarusians need it, they need it. i cannot state those facts, they are completely closed, where they speak openly, high-ranking people, literally, let them beat each other, ukrainians, russians, let them all die in this cauldron, here is what lukashenko says, of course, as they say, chases hell yeah so in slang, if you say, olga, that’s what lukashenka is doing now, he doesn’t want to support putin, he doesn’t want to give his tanks there or what he has left there for putin and his troops, he imitates this

activity, i’m ready there to serve and make another front for ukraine, the northern, that is, what is his behavior at all, what is the logic? his behavior, well, it will be interesting to watch this whole interview in general, because look, well, he gives it to one of the main presenters of the first russia 1, ee of the state russian channel, state duma deputy yevhen popov, and here it is interesting that popov clearly came to make and somehow force some other statements, at least it seemed to me. by this expression and by the way his face was during these statements of lukashenka, that he was somehow expecting a little different words. therefore, it seems that these are not even so much lukashenko's words as lukashenko's broadcast of a certain position,

it seems to me, chinese, because now lukashenko has a very large influence in general china, and that is why, by the way, it can afford all these conversations and... some kind of more independent policy, because it is obvious that the russians expected belarus to withdraw its forces to the border, to divert ukrainian forces to this, well, that is, some some such you know the steps. well, i would say lukashenko did not take these steps, and in this way we can, well , rather analyze it, but why is china's position like this, and this is already a little different question, you know, and it can be even more interesting. and this somehow shows that china is more possible does not consider it a good idea to continue the hostilities, because somehow, from her point of view, putin is suffering unacceptable losses, such that, in

principle, do not add any positives to his allies, but maybe this whole story should be viewed in this way. thank you olga, bohdan. what do you think, but in the current situation it is still important for lukashenka to sit in his chair and move on to the next term, or after all, and thanks to russia as well, or after all to flirt with china, because china in in principle carries out such chineseization of europe, that is, there is several leaders of states in europe who work with china actively. the same orban, and fitso, and lukashenko, and these are the states that are very actively communicating with beijing, and beijing also counts on these relations and on the fact that these states will

help china expand, carry out expansion to europe. well, i would say yes, china would very much like to carry out the chineseization of europe, but so far it has not succeeded. not only that, china now stands on a very dangerous edge, with the europeans directly warning that any further serious russia's support will lead to europe imposing tariffs against chinese goods. first of all, for example, against batteries, electric cars, that is, something that is very critical for china, in fact, that is exactly why the chinese are now trying with every fiber of their soul to show that they do not support russia at all, although this is not the case, of course, so what as for the leaders who are supported in europe, you yourself said correctly, orbán is definitely a serious reinforcement, given the fact that this is the poorest country in the european union, so what mr. vučić, well, we ourselves have seen his statements regarding the fact that serbia chooses the eu, serbia chooses to join the eu, and so on. that's why there is such a story, but with regard to belarus, the story here is very simple, in my opinion, look, lukashenko,

he is a scumbag, a cynical creature who has been in power for how many years, 30 years, longer than putin, longer than anyone else, and he perfectly understands, in fact, what it is all about, he perfectly understands that as soon as putin is forced to stop in ukraine, belarus will be next, because we perfectly understand, that putin's regime, well, putin will fight to the death. it doesn't matter with whom, as soon as he stops, the whole bubble that he has blown now will collapse, so he will have to constantly look for enemies, grow territories and tell someone to his morons, why they live badly again and so on, so well, belarus is the easiest target, that's why, if you paid attention, indeed lukashenko, well, he has been flirting with china for a long time, actually since the beginning of the 2010s, but now, if you remember, for the first time in history belarusian-chinese military exercises took place in belarus recently. and not only that, it was under this auspices that he withdrew troops from the ukrainian border and

so on. that is, it seems to me that lukashenko perfectly understands what this is all about, and he is trying not to fall under putin completely. his main goal is that he has two simple goals: first, to survive putin physically and politically and transfer power to his son. and the second point is to make sure that putin does not drag him into the war again. that is, he is ready for him to give everything that is in belarus, but he does not want to fight physically, because he understands that it will be the end. not a return, not only that, hell knows how the same poland or someone else will react there already, that's why all these statements of his are basically, well, i think, when he talked about negotiations, he was really happy, he really wants this story to end, but here are all his scarecrows, that we will transfer the belarusian troops there under the border, when in fact he did not transfer anything in particular, well, this is where he shows the putin type, that i am definitely loyal, but i will not fight, that is why i think that he will continue to act in this way, because he is not an idiot, first of all... the military depots in belarus are empty, his army is not a fact at all, who will fight normally against the ukrainians,

thirdly, excuse me, please, well, i just want to imagine a clash of people who never once in their lives did not fight at all, but did not have, in principle, any combat situation with any which brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, i think the result will be very funny, ot accordingly, i think that lukashenko will continue to be the next leader, as he is doing now and in the future, and i will repeat. his main task is to survive putin, he perfectly understands that in order to survive him, he must not allow himself to be drawn into this war under any circumstances, well, he will continue to do so, negotiate, maybe he will try to negotiate with the west again, if there is an opportunity , and he will say, and he will promise the chinese that i will agree with the west to take your money and be able to become a bridge to europe, you are wondering, right? so that the line goes to poland, that's right, that's belarus, it's a reliable partner, you're right there with russia, well, that is, look, this... the mustachioed bastard knows perfectly well how to play these games and will continue to play them, so i'm not saying that there

is no threat there, but i would not overestimate it. we will follow the events in belarus, because during the last week i did not actively read all the messages coming from minsk, and i have such different feelings and sensations about what they write, and even more so after what happened on 24 february 22, when in principle belarusians... the dictator became a classmate of russia's war against ukraine, and the only question is when the armed forces of ukraine there will give a decent response to the actions of the belarusian dictator, and it 's only a matter of time, it seems to me that if they escalate the conflict, then the army belarus will definitely not withstand an attack by the armed forces of ukraine, and something similar will happen on the territory of belarus. to what happened and what we observe on the territory of the kursk

region. well, in general, lukashenko is the last, well, this is the second release of his political colleagues prisoners there, that is, literally today, yes , he released 30 regular political prisoners there, who were convicted for various protests, before that, a month ago, he released there, it seems... 18, well, that is, he clearly wants to build some their own relations with the west and their relations with the world, and well, they are a little different from the relations that putin is trying to build, that is, he has some such, moreover, they have reduced the activity on the border now with these attempts transfer of migrants to poland, which is also in principle something like that, we will to monitor what is happening in belarus, especially on the belarusian-ukrainian border, there are a few more topics, colleagues, that we should have time

to discuss, so i ask you to comment very succinctly, because ahead... the topic of the northern nord stream 2, wall street the journal wrote about the fact that ukrainians, as it were, took part in undermining this gas pipeline between russia and germany, in danish and norwegian waters, and of course, of course, it is a top topic there in swedish and danish, forgive me, and it is a top topic there for american press, american journalists, of course. entwined in all this, and here büchner, this is wolfgang, büchner, this is the deputy spokesman of the federal government of germany, says that the investigation, sabotage at the nordstream gas pipeline is a low priority for the german side, but without regard to the results of the investigation, it will not harm the german-ukrainian relations, but they

also monitor this and try to look at the situation in some way. can this publication in the wall street journal be considered an information and psychological special operation of russia, because it seems that some information was leaked in a reputable publication, which may have been either thrown out for journalists, or, let's say, somehow inspired by moscow, because... well, if you listen and read about it , who write about the ukrainian special services, the ukrainian special services are probably the coolest in the world right now, and mali, and syria, and the northern stream, and something else, so the coolest can only be massad. olga, well, this is not the first time, last year there were such events with similar publications, three

or four with a difference of two or three months. i.e. this is already another one, there was some kind of break... they didn’t write about it for six months, i think that it was deleted now, well, only for one reason, because they didn’t write anything new, if you pick up the old publications, it’s about the same , it's just more dramatic now, because some fantasies on the topic that some people in the ukrainian intelligence services told them something, well, it's nothing, you know, it's some kind of romance, and it's literally... electricity, it's nothing not the investigation, but the fact that it was thrown out now, i connect directly with what is happening in kursk oblast, and this is an attempt somehow, of course, now, well, to pay attention to another subject, firstly, secondly, somehow, i think, well, to reduce support first of all to germany,

because germany now has to provide another tranche quite serious help, and this is, of course, an attempt to betray him... and that is why pro-russian politicians in germany immediately seized on it, began to do all this, but that is why i say that this is fiction, and not some kind of investigation, because, for example, the only such a thing, which is very important and which is really telling b about the fact that these are real materials of the investigation, if there were any conversations about where the explosives came from, how much explosives, what it was, by what means it was supplied, well, that is... real evidence, real things, but the fact that some yacht was sailing, which, for some reason, passports of eu citizens, but the ukrainian flag, so that the half-coast knows that these saboteurs are ukrainian, well, where is the logic, well, that is, yes, a lot of questions will actually be answered, secondly, some, you know, traffic phones, that there is something there somewhere, so

what, what are you talking about, that people are somewhere with the phones were in this place, all the more about nothing. well, that is, i think that, well, outside of that , that is, where, you know, the investigation is somewhere such an impression is separate, and this material is a little bit separate somewhere, yes, there is 40% of real information, but 60% is just, i say, fiction , that is, you can immediately shoot a movie and call it absolutely some kind of fantastic, you know, something like that, thank you olga, bohdan, well, i think that of course, here we still need to... remember, well, here i absolutely agree that this story, of course, tied to the fact that now the russians are convulsing they are trying to use everything they have, any bookmarks, in order to destroy our support, the unity of the western allies. and so on, but, probably, i would also mention that in parallel with that, for example, financial times ran another scaremongering the other day, about the fact that the russian fleet has all european and

american cities under its sights, well, they are repeated, you see , and of course, the damned ukrainian terrorists, look, about this investigation, well, first of all, this is not an investigation, secondly, well, i just you know, most of all, i am interested in who read this article, the whole article is built on communication with some unnamed high-ranking... after a while, okay, okay, i can still somehow understand, well, okay, sit down, people, boom and decided to blow up the northern stream, well , let’s assume, okay, maybe that’s the case, but tell me, please, any high-ranking official who would be available, well, admitted to a similar level of decisions, would decide to talk now, well, with all respect for the american journalist is far from the super first league, even though he does not represent really quite an authoritative publication, so what, tell me please, so what, well, i understand, when you know there, here they have... water in the president's office, they pour shit on each other, i can understand that , well, they sat down with shuster there and talked that there was someone who decided to leak such information and for what, just imagine who it

could be, how small the circle of people would be that would be trusted to make such a decision , and why would these people suddenly decide to talk about it, understanding everyone the consequences of such stories, i refuse to understand, i am already silent about the very marismism of asking the question, it is unrealistic to do it from one yacht, especially since all possible experts have already written a thousand times that... most likely the explosion was inside the pipeline, and why this an american journalist of serbian origin does not write about how russian so-called scientific vessels were sticking out for months over the places where these explosions actually took place, but of course zelensky was slandered, and they forgot to write that chervinsky was corrected and that's all personally undermined, you know, you could make a cool james bond movie about it, and whoever would play the main role, i don't know who, different people, different people, but honestly. well, it doesn’t seem to you that it’s just complete madness, even from the point of view of just a healthy stupidity, i think, i’ll say frankly, and it seems to me that there was simply an idea to involve just all the surnames

that are more or less known in some media to foreign people about this in western media, everyone who was mentioned there, chernivtsi was mentioned, yes, zelenskyi was mentioned, yes, zaluzhnyi was mentioned, i don’t understand why budanov wasn’t there, well, they were, the only question i have is why never... they mentioned budano the ticket-trist, well, sorry, i think it’s nonsense, well, because wow, honestly, let’s face it, if it really was a special operation of the ukrainian special services, then each of these people should receive a hero of ukraine and free travel, free travel in the kyiv metro for the rest of their lives, but i’m sorry, well, honestly, well, with all due respect , well, i don't know, i talked to a lot of people, for example, with people who built such pipelines and know how they are built, well, it is simply unreal. well, it is physically impossible to detonate in three places the way it was detonated, well, it definitely does not, and the main thing is that the people who wrote this article, they would swim across the baltic sea at least once in their lives,

see what it is like rush hour, there are so many ships that it is impossible to sail there, for example in the baltic sea, and not constantly see some ship nearby, well, how do you imagine it, well, that is, physically, that is from a small yacht, that's what, for example, some stupid people, or just people who have a ukrainian passport, can try to use now. yes, they drew it, that ’s another story, but excuse me, why did ukraine blow up the northern stream, so that russia wouldn’t start supplying gas there, class, let’s make such an argument then, and russia instead, excuse me, got an opportunity in this whole story to raise the stakes, as they hoped in the gas pressure on europe, no, the fact is that at that time russia already stopped supplying gas, they, well, at that moment they stopped supplying gas and already started blackmailing europe with gas, they... we will then throw conspiracy theories even more, and please tell us which country in our country really benefited the most from the detonation northern streams, what do you think, colleagues? i know the answer, because it

exists in monetary terms, and it is the united states of america, which in fact seized 70% of the entire fortune of the former russian gas market, so maybe let's blame the americans for this, and say that it's all the damned cia, which now he is being covered by ukrainian special services, but why? logical story, wait, it all came out in the newspaper of rupert murdoch, who literally recently married the former mother-in-law of roman abramovich. class, great, perfect, well, already then, come on, well, conspiracy, yes, conspiracy, why stop yourself, great, i agree, thank you, thank you, colleagues, just a minute, well , we have almost no time left, we wanted to talk more about how the former head of the regional military administration, the former head of the donetsk ova, pavlo kyrylenko, ended up in he was found illegally enriched there for 56

million hryvnias and... a reliable declaration, he bought seven apartments, that is , they learned a lot of interesting things about kyrylenka, well , today in the kyiv region two heads of the tsk caught them on the grounds that they were preparing schemes to evade mobilization there , the people who were supposed to carry out the mobilization found 1 million dollars in them during the searches, so something incredible is happening in the country, and it is incredible, it is next to that grief. next to the war, next to you, with the trouble with which we all live, but we will talk about that later talk next week on other broadcasts, i thank my colleagues for participating in the program, these are ulha len and bohdan butkevich, and i would like to remind you that during this broadcast, friends, we conducted a survey, asking you about whether the uoc can become independent from the russian orthodox church, let's look at poll results, 47% yes, 53% - no, let's put an end to that, it was the

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