with conscripts, with boys there in panties and so on, that's why, of course, the conscripts don't know what active combat is, and this hooray, their victory frenzy, as they say, has not been fixed in their heads, as they say, they do not direct their cars to enemy columns and don't blow themselves up with grenades, because they saw it all in books, but when you have to do something yourself, it's not like shouting at rallies, we're russians here сейчас всех парвём. that 's it, the second point, after all, be that as it may, the russians are still very serious defense lines, we saw these video frames, the defense lines in kurshchyna, the fact that we broke through them is again an element, let's say so, of suddenness, and thank god and our skill, but you look at those frames, listen, well, the defense line zelenskyi and yarmak, it is even half, what half, a quarter, so much less than the fortifications built by the russians , including in the kurdish province. let's say so.

now you rightly reminded that pokrovsk and mirnograd, well, let's be honest, pokrovsk is less than 13 km away, mirnograd five. less than five uh, about 100,000 civilians are currently evacuating, but very slowly. myrnograd has 20,000 civilians. i don't know when they will evacuate them. the distances, in fact the distance of the barrel artillery, without problems does not allow us to do this, without problems for them, but with problems for us. and exactly what was dragged to the last one, i cannot understand, just as i cannot understand ms. vereshchuk's statements regarding the evacuation of peaceful residents of kurshchyna in the territory of the sumy region, well, in general, it's just some trash, for me, it's not it is unacceptable, no, to make humanitarian corridors, of course, but not sumshchina, as you can imagine, well, yesterday they sent tanks to us, and today we will resettle their civilians where, in which houses, near the people of sumy, well, they are some, well it's some tre. but

as for the army of the russians in general, it is still quite strong, they have a lot of power and means, they are so scattered now, they must respond to these challenges, but i do not emphasize once again, i have no information that they are from the donetsk direction our mirnograd city council threw their forces behind us buys dragon's teeth with a delivery date of december 31, attention of the 24th year, they have 4 km to the front, and they have a... they make orders for defense structures based on december, they are kamatozniks, sorry for the sharpness of these words, well, i can’t name them in another way, this is the most important thing that you need to pay attention to, that is, there is a stupid embezzlement of money, about how much is there, in total there are 17 and somewhere around 40 million hryvnias for the defense of the mirnograd building, and what you thought all this time, when avdiivka was still holding, the line of defense. on ocheretino

how long did they build there? that's how it was built, that's how it lasted. in general, the fact that the guys are holding these boundaries is on the level of the border, on the border of fantasy. because a soldier repels an attack in the evening, he digs a new trench in the morning. do you understand? and this is a war to the exhaustion of our soldiers, reinforcements and mobilization are interrupted by those military committees, which today the sbu has already seized more than a million dollars for the dams. on ukhilyan, well, that's all, that is, these are the priorities of today's government, zelenskyi's team, it's another way to call it the destruction of one's own army, i don't know, well, this is the vertical of the president, the head of the anti-monopoly committee, who was recently arrested for illegal enrichment and so on, he is the former head of the military administration of the donetsk region, i like him i remember that i crossed paths with him in the 22nd year, well, where are the defense structures, there are no defense structures, but there are full of apartments in kyiv and uzhgorod...

you see, this is a responsibility, this is the presidential vertical, and it is he who appoints them president zelenskyi, this is his personal responsibility for the personnel policy that disrupts, including the construction of defense facilities. no, to make a detachment, to promote, to give an interview against the background of some roadblock, this is zelensky's conspiracy, and let the technologist look at the footage shown by yura butusov and our military, which company strongholds with baths, with toilets, the russians have i will live in a chicken coop. even with their corruption, they build everything evenly, ours don't even do that, well, that's the story, thank you, mr. major, for conversation, it was a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special agent, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation, ihor lapin, we are already working with oleksandr hara, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies and a diplomat, mr. oleksandr, i welcome you, thank you, that you are with us today good evening, mr. sergey,

thank you for the invitation. well, first of all, we have been discussing the kursk operation for a whole week, and of course, we are talking about the successes of the armed forces of ukraine. let's talk about what it is like the world's reaction to the events in kurtshchyna and how this reaction will be transformed into an attitude towards putin's regime and the fact that the world is starting to look at putin's regime and current russia in a completely different way, did the world know all this, or does this operation show that putin does not control russia. and this situation, when the ukrainian army has been conducting an operation on the territory of the russian federation for 11 days, shows that, in principle, beyond the front line, further into the russian federation , not everything is as good as putin is trying to show and

ukraine and the whole world. well, first of all , it should be said that no matter how the military part of this operation ends, there are already certain... positive political and diplomatic consequences for ukraine. the first thing, in my opinion, is that we showed that we, this war is not a dead end. and we have the opportunity to accumulate enough power to carry out offensive operations. i want to remind you that after the 23rd year, our american and, in principle, european partners said that it is better for you to focus on protecting what you have and not to take risks somehow with such large offensive operations, we have shown that we can act much more effectively than before, achieve greater results. the second moment, the clouds thickened over us, so to speak, and there were more and more calls to sit down at

the negotiating table, this prompted president zelenskyi and his office to say that it is possible that russia will be at the negotiating table this fall. year at the second peace summit, it is clear that this is no longer relevant, and it is unlikely that anyone will push us and say: let's think about peace, because we are already suffering, we are already tired, we are exhausted, we can no longer help you as before, that is, this is also a very important moment, the third moment, we have shown that we can win in this war, and you know , we have a very important argument, this is a logical argument, why those who say that russia... is too big, and therefore it is impossible to win in it, and there is a very simple answer: russia really has a lot of resources, human, material and others, but it is extremely bad at converting them into capabilities, we are not a model converting those scarce resources that we

have in our capacity, but we do it much better, and therefore, in principle, these theses, they are very important for our further diplomatic work, strategic communications, to er... reject the idea that we cannot do anything and it is time for us to make territorial and other concessions to the russian federation, the reaction of our western partners was actually very positive, they were, in my opinion, actually taken by surprise, i have two opposing theories, the first is that our western partners did not know what we were going to do, at least in washington, maybe in london they knew, and actually. the reason for this was our reluctance to be told not to do this, because it could have some negative consequences, especially since we have an election campaign here, let's be more conservative about this war, and of course you are such information, because in 23 this was one of the reasons that the russians

were ready for our campaign in 2015, and the second part, the opposite, is that our partners were. in the course is limited among the people, and this is indirectly evidenced by the fact that literally in the last few hours there was news that several bridges were destroyed by the hymars in the direction of the movement of our troops in the kursk region, that is, this means that the americans gave permission to strike not only in the border areas, as it was there near the kharkiv region, but a little more deep into the russian territory, if it is true, if it is so, it ... defines a change, at least a certain change in the policy of washington, maybe after a certain time they will abandon the senseless, counterproductive and extremely valuable for ukraine the policy of not allowing strikes on russian territory, the policy that

led to great losses of ukrainians and a great loss of ukrainian infrastructure, so i don't know how it actually happened, adviser to the office of the president of ukraine. not far away said that the americans were aware, i don't know if it's just theses or if it actually happened, but in general, everyone looks at the successes of the defense forces, of course. and putin's friends in the west, such as john merschemeier and sachs, who write that it was it is a strategic mistake of ukraine that russia has a lot of resources, and in fact we will not achieve anything militarily, i think that it is simply that they are in the grip of their illusions and their models of the world, which have been showing for several years that they are inadequate to what in fact is happening, therefore... i would say that in general there is a positive reaction, favorable for us, and of course everything will depend on

how far we will achieve the military goals, neither i nor any of the experts in ukraine know what the military goals are ukraine is in this operation, and it is very good, that is operational security, we showed a high class, both to the government, to the general public, and to the expert community, no one knows, we can guess whether we are going to ... get out of there after a certain time, whether we are going to pay off and keep the line of defense there , are we going to hold the line of defense and continue to advance in mobile groups deep into russian territory, scattering their resources, so let's see, i only hope that our military leadership will make decisions exclusively from the military situation, and not political expediency, because the political expediency in this operation is as... i am already 100% satisfied and there is no need, let's put it this way, to put political goals above the lives and

safety of our military and to risk more than it is in principle, let's put it this way , from the point of view of common sense is possible. at the same time , the commander-in-chief of the united armed forces of nato in europe, mr. oleksandr, general christopher kavoli believes that russia's reaction to ukraine's offensive in the kursk region was very weak. let's listen russia is still gathering its response to the invasion of ukraine. so far it has been only a rather slow and scattered reaction. this is partly because russia has not decided who has the authority there. the ministry of defense is responsible for military actions on the territory of ukraine, but not inside russia, correct? that is, it should be the ministry of internal affairs. mr. oleksandr, how did you see the reaction

of putin and his closest entourage to the kursk operation, what does this reaction indicate? it's obviously cognitive dissonance, it's obvious that putin didn't expect, and you know, i have a theory, remember the call bilousov to lloyd austin, and where he said that the ukrainians were planning something so terrible that they had better not do it, and in the first place. i thought that this was a possible development of an operation to eliminate one of the leaders of a terrorist group called the russian federation, but now i assume the opinion that then the russians, seeing the accumulation of power of the ukrainian defense forces on their own border, warned the americans, because in their imagination ukraine no, we are, well, in fact , american proxies, if washington told us something, of course we are under the visor and that probably did. "if that's true, then we just reacted the way we reacted, which is we continued to prepare for the operation, started it, and

maybe that was the reason why the russians didn't prepare there, that's my guess, but in any case we they saw the confused fuehrer of the russian mayor, who called the situation there instead of a counter-terrorist operation, and on the one hand, he really had a dilemma about who should be responsible for this operation, because if it is a special operation on the territory of ukraine, then how is it possible use the armed forces of the russian federation? that is, the whole structure is pseudo, so it is not a war of the russian federation, it would have collapsed, and here he chose the fsb, the fsb, i apologize, as the main body that will restore order, and he also appointed his watcher, who is not in the political or administrative hierarchy of the russian federation, but is a trustee. next, of course , putin, putin has several dilemmas, our operation has put, and i am not only talking about the fact

that he needs to oppose ukraine in some way, and in fact, he may have to more power means to remove from the hot front there in the east, perhaps he will face a dilemma about the announcement of general mobilization, and this will be a blow to his prestige and even greater, since it will mean that not only... for crazy money, they went to kill ukrainians, but they will take everyone one after the other, and in particular from big cities, including moscow and st. petersburg. it is clear that this will not increase the popularity of mr. putin, and i also think that putin understands that in his environment, even all these comrades the cooperative of the lake, the caddies, they are not satisfied with the course of the war, and perhaps even there there may be after a certain time, if not slaughter, then a certain, certain opposition to his

actions, i do not know whether traditionally dangerous for any power in.. . august will end with putin being suspended, or something, god forbid, will happen to his health, so in principle, we saw his confusion, how to act, he did not choose the right words, and plus he needed to show something to his friends sijinping, kinchen-in and the mullahs of irani, because he is the leader of the largest nuclear force, and here representatives of a country that does not exist, that is, in principle, invaded his territory. all these things, they press on him. john kirby, the white house national security adviser, says that putin is concerned about the situation in the kursk region and is looking for ways to counter ukraine's advance to the north, but he is not ready to use nuclear weapons, to quote mr. alexander, john kirby. if he's moving troops there,

he's somewhat concerned about what 's going on. i don't know how that qualifies drunk or not, but he is not... conditionally reacting to what is happening in kursk oblast, but we have not seen or heard any escalating rhetoric, especially regarding nuclear weapons in recent days, - noted kirby. how, mr. oleksandr, can you explain the reaction of putin and , in general, the reaction of the russian leadership, which until now has said through the mouths, including dmitry medvedev, that if there is a threat to the territory of the russian federation, then they... use their military doctrine, in accordance with which they can use nuclear weapons, in the event that it threatens the territorial integrity of the russian federation, why do we not see such a reaction from putin, does this mean that these red lines, which the kremlin talked about for so long, simply disappeared, they do not exist, and now, in

principle, the whole world understands that putin and medvedev are the ones who constantly... well, you know, the white house spokeswoman actually said that if putin didn't escalate the situation, meaning nuclear escalation, that doesn't mean it won't happen in the future, and so she explained why the no-strike policy has not been changed yet by american missile systems on russian territory, perhaps putin and his entourage, they were simply paralyzed by fear. what happened, understanding the possible consequences, and that is why they even completely forgot about the red button, but on the other hand there are other things, well, the first and most important thing is that americans usually listen to rhetoric, including dmitry medvedev, who has already forgotten about this red button as well, and most importantly, they are looking at the possible

preparation for the use of tactical nuclear weapons, by the way, from the basis of the state of the nuclear deterrence policy of the russian federation, among those, let's say, reasons that could lead to the use of nuclear weapons by the russian federation, there is no crossing the border or capturing some territory of the russian federation, there are other cases that could fit our case, for example, it is striking systems and nuclear deterrents, recently we in... upgraded another m-22 tu-22m, a strategic nuclear bomber, and this year we struck the sprn, that is, this system of early warning of a missile attack, and actually, according to the doctrine, then russia could legitimately from the point of view of russian legislation strike ukraine, but it did not even prepare for

this, and the rhetoric of course remained rhetoric, so i think that in the west they understand flexibility, elasticity. red lines by the russian federation, they understand that ukraine has shown the ability to change the course of this war, i hope that the kurdish operation, this is the black swan that will bury this regime, well, by russia federation, and of course that they have no choice but to support us and help us with armed ammunition, and this is of course very relevant in the context of the elections in the united states, by the way, such a change of position. of the united states, well, if we assume that they knew that such an operation was planned, agreed to it and gave permission to strike deep into russian territory. this means that a transition has occurred. in the administration, in fact the formulation of policy on ukraine from jake sullivan to phil gordon, is the adviser on national affairs of security, camila harris, the vice president, and

of course, if she becomes president, most likely he will head the national security council, maybe they thought that against the background of those positive electoral successes, camila harris is now a little detached from donald trump and it has a very positive dynamic, which... it is necessary to add positive news from ukraine to its portfolio, and that is exactly why we can consider that aid, increasing aid to ukraine, reducing the number of restrictive regulations, that is, investing in election campaign of kamila garis. mr. oleksandr, in parallel with our successes in kurshchyna, we observe activity, informational activity in the international media, in particular in the american press. and the wall street journal writes that the ukrainians were allegedly involved in blowing up nord stream ii, and this whole story unraveled in

2022, that ukrainian saboteurs were allegedly involved in this, and they blame the former head of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny in this well, that is, we see a sufficiently powerful, powerful... an attempt to present or, let's say, present ukrainians on the international arena as saboteurs and terrorists, and obviously, this is not accidental either, and despite the fact that the wall street journal has a reputation there as an international media, we still in this situation, obviously, have to perceive is it as part of the information and psychological special operation of the russians, or something like that... in this situation , ukraine should react and how should the ukrainian leadership prove that these are not ukrainians, they are terrorists, the terrorists are actually russians,

obviously such a special operation that was taking place at the bottom of the baltic sea with nord stream 2 could be organized by a sufficiently powerful, subversive and terrorist state such as russia, so indeed there are many technical points here, and to be honest, it is about ... just ridiculous that a small commercial yacht could transport there are half a ton or more of explosives and then, well, actually, without special equipment, mount these explosives and blow up the gas pipeline, which is buried 15 meters below the soil at the bottom of the sea, and it is clear that it is simple, well, i would like our special services, the maritime center, which we have there are. indeed, they are professional, nice guys, but this is a specific, specific environment, and frankly, i doubt that we have such professional people and the most important

equipment that would allow us to do this, in any case, our partners should be shown the evidence and not just what someone said there, whether the camera recorded people with a sporty appearance who were loading something onto a yacht, that is, let's look at the facts themselves, the second point, this is the positive reaction of germany itself, where it was already said, that even if they were ukrainians, it would in no way affect the support of ukraine, because these are unrelated things, the protection of ukraine from a genocidal war and what happened with nord stream-2. i looked at the reaction of the western, american, british, and other, generally european, expert community, they ask... the question is absolutely in a ukrainian way, was it bad, even if it was ukrainians, was it bad to destroy the tool that putin actually used to subjugate himself europe, and vice versa is not necessary

conduct an investigation into the role of schroeder, merkel and many others who, despite, let's say, the objections of ukraine, despite the advice of the same trump, remember how at the session of the un general assembly, he told the germans that we urge you to... , and you are building gas plants and are going to buy more gas from russia, they were smiling then, so in principle, the situation is like this, let them show the evidence, let's see, i don't think that the ukrainian authorities should do more than they did, because they denied our involvement , i honestly don't think so the situation was such that zelensky first gave the green light, and then stopped this operation, but someone else, either zaluzhnyi or... i don't know who else, simply ignored the president and decided to carry out such an act, so i think we just need to keep calm, not to react. on

these non-provocative things, and i absolutely agree that in a strange way this news, it surfaced when the ukrainian military is carrying out an important mission in kursk, and of course, that it partly interrupts the information agenda in the western information market, well, you have to remember that in the early 2000s, you remember, there was this whole story with chain mail, when they tried to accuse ukraine of selling... chain mail to iraq, and this whole the story was in the international media, including the press, kuchma had to make a lot of excuses and explain that ukraine did not do this, but at that time , russian resources obviously had more opportunities and capacities than ukrainian ones in order to heat up this topic and in this way take steps to the rapprochement of ukraine with president kuchma

to... russia, already, already then the president of the russian federation. and finally, mr. oleksandr, trump publicly accused biden of russia’s invasion of ukraine, the candidate from the republican party said on the air of elon musk on the x platform. what do you think about such statements by trump, this is trump’s pre-election rhetoric that he says that everything that happened before me, or everything that happened before... my possible arrival, is all wrong, it 's all biden's fault, or is this some common position of the conditional republican party there, and republicans also believe that if it were not for biden, the situation in ukraine and between russia and ukraine would have developed in a completely different way. i think that this is a stream of trump's consciousness, which his associates are happy to pick up

on... let's say, this crowd, and of course ordinary americans, republicans, who relate to trump, or rather to the trump cult. i don't think there's any doubt that russia is the only one to blame for attacking ukraine among conscious, traditional republicans, i'm not talking about democrats therefore, this is exceptional pre-election rhetoric. second, you know, we live in such a world. in a world where the ideas of the enlightenment, based on reason, on logical thinking, are now in decline, because when trump says, if i were president, putin would not have attacked ukraine, this is called the unreal past in english, that is, this such a thing that simply cannot be verified, because we cannot set up an experiment in history and

rewind it. so he used it and unfortunately, i did not see particularly, someone to protest at the same time, it is true that under trump there was no escalation of russian aggression against ukraine, there was not much, including, for example, an attack on israel by hamas, the terrorists of hamas, but this does not mean that trump restrained it, because there are certain processes, the russian federation itself was accumulating forces and means, preparing, and thus undermining our state. in other ways, in fact, through the minsk agreements, the united states tried to pressure the united states; at that time it was not very interested in interfering in this history, so i think we should just take it as rhetoric, even though i'm absolutely sure that in trump's head that 's what it was, that he's the best president of the united states ever, that everyone fears him, that he can solve any problem because it is not predictable.

because he can actually threaten anyone with anything, that is, he is the type of personality who does not base his actions on reasoning and logic, who can change his mind, who can come up with any plan at the last minute, and that's exactly why i don't i believe that he has some real plan for ukraine, i think that he is just thinking of meeting with putin and zelensky at the same table, and with the power of charisma and threats to... achieve something, and what to achieve, well, for sure , he is now himself can't imagine. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, and friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, also on our youtube and facebook platforms, throughout our broadcast we ask you the following: can the uoc become independent from the russian orthodox church? 0 800 211 381 if you look at...