they just don't want to fight anymore, you know, full conflicts after two world wars and a completely destroyed europe, in the second world war, and it's very unpleasant for us, but on the other hand, imagine the third generation of people already there, which lives without great warriors, and when only those who want to go to war go to war , you know, small ones determined by location, and in fact only those who want to go to it go, well, that's ok, but... but now the second point, we have to understand one more thing, well, that is, of course there is the fear of nuclear confrontation is certain, plus you should not forget that russia has always invested very, i would say, effectively in creating the image of such a scarecrow, where putin himself constantly does it, but i will tell you that there is a third point, which is actually also my the view is very specific, look, they actually think to themselves that well, first of all, yes, look, let's just understand one important thing for ourselves. that

western civilization developed such a simple story for itself after world war ii and world war i: why do we constantly shouting de-escalation foo-foo-foo, what kind of crap is this and so on, but you understand, they are twice the first world war in general, as the researchers wrote there, no one really wanted a war, but it happened, and why? because no one wanted to stop this escalation, well, everything ended , of course, how it ended, the second world war, they say, well, we tried the same thing , no no, well, it was wrong, we tried to de-escalate, but in fact, we still need to de-escalate, so that there is no great slaughter , that is, you understand, well... from their point of view, they may be right, of course, it is different the fact is that if they and russia were perceived as a great enemy then, here we are approaching the most, probably unpleasant history, and this is primarily what we are talking about, probably about the americans, although also about the europeans and the same germans in the first place, who for 50 years lived with the russians according to the principle of vandel durhandel, that is, let us trade and therefore no one will want to fight, this was the policy , starting from the end of the 60s of the last century, and the americans... they

have a slightly different phobia, they , well, how to say, they also think that type, that's how cold they are the war was won, no direct clashes with the soviet union, only some peripheral stories, or stories where it is possible to act, let's say, because of some, well, let's say this, pads, yes, then it will be okay, and then it will give a result, they're basically repeating the same story now, but they have one huge fear that, unfortunately, russia plays on all the time, plays very well, and it's not a nuclear war, even i'll tell you, but the other thing is that… okay, russia is falling apart, and in its place appears, that's what the americans are for me personally spoke many times during meetings, but imagine that tomorrow russia disintegrates, putin dies, moscow loses power, and 25 bantustans appear in russia's place, each headed by some kadyrov and each with a nuclear warhead, and that what should we do with them, just so you can understand their thinking, they think like that, and i will tell you that until we as ukraine offer a concept event. reorganization and a certain sense

of control of this space, where the place of moscow in a certain sense will be taken by kyiv, that is, kyiv will not an imperial center, and a center that will simply lend a helping hand to every nation that wants to do something there, to every nation that wants to self-determine and so on, to promise this nation that it will not be left alone in this changing world and so on, then there is a chance , that the same americans will really begin to seriously expect that, well, let's destroy russia, but there is another factor that is the worst for us in this whole story: this is, of course, the confrontation of the americans with china, and everyone perfectly understands that as soon as the russian central the government will start weaken, then china will take a large part of russia, if not physically, then in any case from the point of view of influence, financially, in any other way, and this is a black nightmare for the americans, because they understand very well that china, in principle, will lose the war with the americans, and there is no chance of winning the confrontation with them, but they

appear when china gets the opportunity of uncontrolled access to russian resources, when they get access, god forbid, to russian nuclear weapons and so on further, here it will be for the americans of course, a nightmare, and that's why i'm just very afraid that if nobody there loves russia, believe me, you know, those who say there, oh , they want to save russia, but nobody wants to save it, with everyone, well, but they just calculate the risks , and on the other hand , they think that if, why get involved in a fight and waste your money? forces, if it is possible to add them, roughly speaking, not only that, but also to try to drag it somehow in the process, well, putin will die one day, and prevent russia from becoming simply a limiter of china, like a nightingale, you know, a nightingale, to me there seems to be some kind of approximate story to this whole story, and i'm sorry that i'm like this, but just you know, just to say that oh, stupid west, just afraid of russia, no, well , it's not only about that, you know, until we offer their vision, what to do with all this, nothing... will happen, instead of just

shouting, let's cancel the russians, let's, no, it's great, only they don't understand why we need it, you explain to us why, well sotru, this is how politics is done, friends. yes, and that's how it's done, that's how they're done statements, now let's talk about the statement of the belarusian dictator lukashenka, because against the background of what is happening in kurshchyna, he already made several statements during the week that we, they say, will defend ourselves from the ukrainians, ukrainian drones are flying into the territory of belarus, although the belarusian gang of monitoring the group denied all these statements, which monitor the movement of belarusian and russian troops. they said that on august 9, when this statement was heard that they were shooting down ukrainian drones in the sky of belarus, that this was not true, then this khrenin, excuse me, this is the name of the minister of defense of belarus, the same minister of defense who , on the eve of the great invasion, convinced

oleksiy ryeznikov that there would be no march of russian troops from belarus to the territory of ukraine, hryenin says that we have drawn here to the border with ukraine, tanks from there, the iskanders will defend themselves, even though someone threatens them there, but the belarusian dictator took the floor and said that he is calling on russia and ukraine to sit down for negotiations to end the war, and threatened to we will strike back in case of a military threat, let's listen to what lukashenko said. we will reply shortly. and adequately, if they want this not to happen, let's sit down at the negotiating table and end this fight, neither the ukrainian people, nor the russians, nor the belarusians need it, they need it, i cannot provide those facts, they are completely

closed, where they speak openly, high-ranking people, literally, let them beat each other, ukrainians, russians, let them all die in this cauldron. well, what lukashenko says, of course, is, as they say, haunting damn, yes, yes, in slang, if you say, olga, that’s what lukashenka is for now, he doesn’t want to support putin, he doesn’t want to give his tanks there, or whatever he has left for putin and his troops, he imitates this action... that i am ready to serve there and make another front for northern ukraine, that is, what is his behavior in general, what is the logic of his behavior, well, it will be interesting to watch this whole interview in general, because look, well, he gives one of the main

presenters of the first russia 1, state of the russian channel, state duma deputy yevhen popov. and here it is interesting that popov clearly came to make and somehow force him to make some other statements, it seemed to me, at least from this expression and from the way his face was at the time of these statements of lukashenka, that he somehow expected a few other words, so it seems that these are not so much lukashenko's words as lukashenko's broadcast of some kind. the position, it seems to me, is chinese, because now china has a very large influence on lukashenka, and therefore, by the way, he can to allow all these conversations and such a more independent policy, because it is obvious that the russians expected belarus to withdraw its forces to

the border, to divert ukrainian forces to this, that is, some such, you know , steps, well, lukashenko, i would say, these steps did not leave, and we... in this way we can, well, rather analyze it, and why is the position of china like this, and this is already a little different question, you know, and it is even more interesting, and this somehow shows that it is possible for china no longer considers it a good idea to continue hostilities, because somehow, from her point of view , putin is suffering unacceptable losses, which, in principle, no longer... add, let's say, some positives to his allies, but perhaps, rather, this whole story should be viewed in this way. thank you olga, bohdana, do you think that in the current situation it is still important for lukashenka to sit in his chair and

move on to the next term, or after all, and thanks to russia as well, or after all, flirt with china, because... in principle, it is carrying out such a chineseization of europe, that is, there are several leaders of states in europe who are working with china actively, at the same time orban and... and fico and lukashenko, and these are the states that communicate very actively with beijing, and beijing also counts on these relations and on the fact that these states will help china expand, carry out expansion to europe? well, i would say yes, china would very much like to carry out the chineseization of europe, but it is not succeeding so far, this is one time, not only that, but now... it stands on a very dangerous border, when the europeans have directly warned that any

further serious support of russia will lead to europe starting to introduce tariffs against chinese goods, first of all, for example, against batteries, electric cars, that is, something that is very critical for china, er, actually, that is why the chinese are now trying with every fiber of their soul to show that they do not support russia at all, although it is not yes, of course, well , as for the leaders who support them in europe, you yourself said correctly, orbán is certainly a serious... reinforcement, considering the fact that this is the poorest country in the european union, well, what about mr. vučić, well then we ourselves saw his statements about what serbia chooses the eu, serbia chooses to join the eu and so on, so here is the story, uh, but as for belarus, here the story is very simple, in my opinion, look, lukashenko is a scumbag, a cynical creature, who already he has been in power for 30 years, longer than putin, longer than anyone else, and he really understands what it is all about. understands very well that as soon as putin is forced to stop in ukraine, belarus will be next, because we

understand very well that putin's regime, oh well, putin will fight to the death, it doesn't matter with whom, as soon as he stops, this whole bubble that he has blown now will collapse, so he will have to constantly look for enemies, grow territories, tell someone to his morons, why they live badly again and so on, that's why belarus is the easiest target, that 's why, if you paid attention, indeed lukashenko, well, he's with china anyway. flirted for a very long time, in fact, since the beginning of the 2010s, but now, well, you remember, for the first time in history , belarusian-chinese military exercises took place in belarus recently, and not only that, precisely under the disgust of this, he withdrew troops from the ukrainian border and so on, that is , it seems to me that lukashenko perfectly understands what this is all about, and he is trying not to fall under putin completely, his main goal, and he has two simple goals: first , to survive both physically and politically putin and transfer power to his son. and the second point is to ensure that putin does not drag him into the war again, that is, he is ready

to give him everything that is in belarus, but he does not want to fight physically, because he understands that it will be the point of no return, not only that, shit its knows how the same poland or someone else will react already now, that's why all these statements of his are basically, well, i think, when he talked about the negotiations, he was really happy, he really wants this story ended, but here are all his scarecrows, that we will transfer the belarusian troops there under the borders, when in fact nothing special... he did not transfer, well, he is showing the putin type that i am definitely loyal, but i will not fight, that's what i think , that he will continue to act in this way, because he is not idiot, first of all, the military depots in belarus are empty, its army is not at all a fact that it will fight normally against the ukrainians, thirdly, excuse me, please, well, i just want to imagine a clash of people who have never in their life at all that did not fight, and did not have, in principle, any combat situation with any brigade of the armed forces. of ukraine, i think the result will be very funny, therefore, i think that lukashenko will

continue to lead the next, as he does now and in the future, and i repeat, his main task is to survive putin, he perfectly understands that in order to survive it, he has no conditions to allow himself to be drawn into this war, well, he will continue to do so, bargain, maybe he will try to negotiate with the west again, if there is an opportunity, and he will say, and he is chinese, he will to promise that in the evening i will agree to take your money and fight. to europe, you're wondering, aren't you, that the line should go to poland, right, that's belarus, it's a reliable partner, you're there with russia, well, that is, look, this old mustachioed bastard knows perfectly well how to play these games and will play them further, so i'm not saying what's there there is no threat, but i would not overestimate it, we will follow the events in belarus, because during the last week i have been quite actively reading all the messages coming from minsk and... well , i have such different feelings and sensations about the fact that what they write, and even more so, after what happened

on february 24, 2022, when in principle the belarusian dictator became an accomplice of russia's war against ukraine, and the only question is when the armed forces of ukraine will give a worthy response to the actions of the belarusian dictator there, and it is only a matter of time, i think, if they will escalate the conflict. then the army of belarus will definitely not withstand the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine, and something similar to what happened will happen on the territory of belarus. what we are observing on the territory of the kursk region, well, in general, lukashenko is in the last, well, this is the second release of his political prisoners there, that is, literally today, yes, he released 30 regular political prisoners there, who were convicted for protests different ones,

before that, a month ago he released, it seems, 18. well, that is, he clearly wants some to build some kind of relationship with the west and with the world, and well, they are a little different from the kind of relationship that putin is trying to build, that is, he has some, moreover , they have now reduced activity on the border with these attempts to transfer migrants to of poland, which is also in principle something, and we will monitor what is happening in belarus, especially on... the belarusian-ukrainian border, there are a few more topics, colleagues, which we should have time to discuss, so i ask you to comment very succinctly, because the theme of the northern ones is ahead nord stream-2, the wall street journal wrote about the fact that the ukrainians, as it were, took part in undermining this gas pipeline between russia and

germany, in danish and norwegian waters, and this from of course, of course, the top topic there in the swedish and danish, forgive me, and this is the top topic there for the american press, american journalists, the hard worker is woven into all this, and here is büchner, this is wolfgang büchner, this is the deputy spokesman of the german federal government, says , that the investigation, sabotage at the nordstream gas pipeline is for the german side the highest priority, but without regard to the results of investigations. this is not to harm german-ukrainian relations, but they are also monitoring this and are trying to see the situation in some way, whether this publication in the wall street journal can be considered an informational and psychological special operation of russia, because the impression is that in

a respectable publication any information that may have been or was thrown in for the magazine. or, let's say, somehow inspired by moscow, because if you listen and read about what is written about the ukrainian special services, the ukrainian special services are probably the coolest in the world right now, and mali, and syria, and the northern stream, and something else, well, the coolest can only be massad, olga, well, it's not the first . er, last year there were three or four such events with similar publications with a difference of two or three months, that is , this is another one, there was some kind of break, they did not write about it for six months, i think that it has now been deleted , well only for one reason, because nothing new has been written, if you bring up old posts, it's about the same, eh,

it's just more dramatic now, because some fantasy on the topic that some... people in the ukrainian intelligence services told them something, well, it's about nothing, it's, well, it's, you know, it's some kind of romance, and it's literally fiction, this is not an investigation, but the fact that he was dropped now, i connect directly with what is happening in the kursk region, and this is an attempt in some way, of course, now, well, to draw attention to another subject, firstly, secondly, somehow, i think, well, reduce the support in the first place for germany, because germany now has to provide the next one a tranche of quite serious assistance, and this is of course an attempt to undermine it, and that is why pro-russian politicians in germany immediately seized, began to do all this, but that is why i say that this is fiction, and not some kind of investigation, because, for example, the only such

thing , which is very important and which really said that these are real materials. investigation, if there were any conversations about where the explosives came from, how much explosives, what they were, what ways they were delivered, well, that is, these are real evidence, some real things, and the fact that some kind of a yacht, which for some reason has the passports of eu citizens, but the ukrainian flag, so that the half coast knows that these saboteurs are ukrainian, well, well, where is the logic, well, that is, a lot. this question will actually be answered in the second place , you know, some kind of phone traffic that is there somewhere, well , and what does it say that people with phones were in this city more and more , that is, that is. i think that, well, besides that, that is, where, you know, the investigation is somewhere such an impression is separate, and this material is a little bit separate somewhere, yes, there is 40% of valid information, but

but 60% is simply, i say, ticketing, that is, you can immediately shoot a movie and call it absolutely fantastic, you know, something like that, thank you olga, bohdan, well, i think that, of course, there is still something to be mentioned here, well ... here i absolutely agree that this story is, of course, connected to the fact that now the russians are judicially trying to use at least everything they have, any bookmarks, in order to destroy our support, the unity of the west allies and so on, but, probably, i would also mention that in parallel with that, for example, financial times, there was another scaremongering the other day, about the fact that the russian fleet has all european and american cities under its sights, well, they are repeated, you see, and of course the damned ukrainian terrorists, look, with regards to this investigation, well, first of all, this is not an investigation, secondly, well, i’m just curious, you know, most of all, i’m interested in who read this article, the whole article is based on communication with some unnamed

high-ranking official, okay, okay, i can somehow understand , well, okay, sat down, people, roared and decided to blow up the northern stream, well , let's assume, okay, maybe it happens, but tell me, please, any high-ranking official who would be available, well, admitted to a similar level of decisions, would decide to talk now, well, with all respect for an american journalist is far from in... the super first league, although he does not represent a really authoritative enough publication, so what, so tell me, please, so what, well, i understand when there, you know, so eta they have water pouring in the president's office, they are angry at each other they leak, i can understand that, well, they sat down there, they quickly talked about who there was with someone, who and for what decided to leak such information, just imagine who it could be, how small the circle of people would be, what was would be persuaded to make such a decision, and why would these people suddenly decide to talk about it, realizing, well... all the consequences of such stories, i refuse, you understand, i am already silent about the very marismism of the question, it is unrealistic to do it from one yachts, especially since everyone has already written a thousand times possible experts, that most likely the pitrip was

inside the pipeline, and why does this american journalist of serbian origin not write about how for months russian so-called scientific vessels were sticking out over the places where these explosions actually took place, well, of course, the zelensky for alkaline they blew up, they still forgot to write that everything was corrected by chervynskogo... they personally blew up there, you know, you could make a cool james bond movie about it, and there, well, who would have played the main role, i don’t know, who was different, different people these are different, but honestly, it doesn’t seem to you that it’s just complete madness, even from the point of view of just a healthy voice, i think, i’ll say frankly, and i think that there was simply an idea to include all the surnames that more or less known in some media, foreign or western media, that's all who mentioned there. chervynskyi was mentioned, yes, zelenskyi was mentioned, yes, zaluzhnyi was mentioned, i don’t understand why budanov was not there, well, that is, the only question i have is why budano was never mentioned,

that's a typical fiction work, well, sorry, i think it's nonsense, well, because it's weird, honestly, let's face it, if it really was a special operation of the ukrainian special services, well, then each of these people should get a hero of ukraine and a free ride, a free ride in to the kyiv metro until the end of my life, well, but i'm sorry, well, well, honestly, well, with all due respect, well, well, i don't know, i talked to a lot of people, for example, with people who built such pipelines and know how they are built, well, it's just unreal, well, physically it is unrealistic to blow it up in three places, the way it was blown up, well, it definitely does not do it, and the main thing is that the people who wrote this article, they would swim across the baltic sea at least once in their lives, see that it is like a tick in time peak, there are so many ships that it is impossible to sail there, for example, in the baltic sea, and not constantly see some ship nearby, as you can imagine, well, that is, physically, that is, from a small yacht, that is what, for example, they can try now to use some or stupid people, or just people who

ukrainian passports were painted, that’s another story, but excuse me, why did ukraine blow up the northern stream so that russia wouldn’t start supplying gas there, class, let’s make such an argument then, and russia instead, excuse me, got the opportunity in this story to raise stakes, as they hoped for gas pressure on europe, no, the point is that... let's throw in even more, and please tell us which country in our country really benefited the most from undermining the northern streams, what do you think, colleagues and i know the answer is, because it exists in monetary terms, and it is the united states of america, which actually seized 70% of the entire fortune of the former russian gas industry. it all came out in the newspaper

of rupert murdoch, who just recently married roman abramovich's ex-mother-in-law, class, super, perfect, well, then we'll grow up, come on, well, conspiracy, yes , conspiracy, what can you stop yourself from, thank you, thank you, colleagues, just a minute , well , we have almost no time left, we wanted to talk more about how the head of the regional came to be. administration, former head ova pavlo kyrilenko of donetsk, they found illegal enrichment of 56 million hryvnias and an unreliable declaration, he bought seven apartments, that is, they learned a lot of interesting things about kyrylenko, well, today in kyiv region two heads of the tsc, they were arrested for what they were preparing there schemes for evading mobilization, people who were supposed to carry out mobilization

were found in them. 1 million dollars there during searches, well , that is, something incredible is happening in the country, and it is incredible, it is next to that grief and next to the war, next to you and you and that the trouble with which we all live, but we will talk about it next week in other broadcasts, i thank my colleagues for participating in the program, these are ulha len and bohdan butkevich, and i would like to remind you that during the entire broadcast, friends, we conducted surveys, asked you about this? can the uoc become independent from the russian orthodox church? let's look at the survey results: 47% - yes, 53% - no. let's put an end to this, it was the verdict program about her serhii rudenko, goodbye. there are discounts until independence day on bionorm

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