the events in kurshchyna, actually where this lenin was overthrown, see in the france-24 project, then we will return to our conversation. we start with ukraine, which managed to carry out an unexpected attack on the territory of the russian federation. more than a week has passed since the beginning of the offensive on the kursk region. today, ukraine exercises control over this territory. using missiles and drones. the ukrainian army is conducting combat operations not only in the kursk region, but in particular also in the neighboring bilhorod region, whose governor recently declared a state of emergency. with i have our foreign affairs editor next to me, who is ready to share the details with us. kativan, what do you think is happening at the scene? i have a feeling that the ukrainians want to attack in several areas at the same time, and this is not necessarily to... to overwhelm

the enemy, but rather to create the impression that they are active along the entire border. of course, the main focus now is on the kursk region, and this week we have seen the expansion of the offensive. according to the ukrainians, this week they captured more than 100 km, which approximately equal to the territory that russia was able to capture in the last year in ukraine. they also said that they took... under control more than 70 settlements and advanced at least 25 km deep into russian territory. the armed forces of ukraine do not stop there, they also fire at military facilities in the belgorod region with the help of artillery and drones. as already mentioned, the governor has declared a state of emergency and thousands of locals are fleeing from the regions closest to the border. ukraine, according to data russian also carries out a massive strike by drones

on objects in the voronezh region, so there is the kursk region, to the south of it is the bilhorod region, and therefore another region that borders both of them, as well as with ukraine, voronezh. russia claims to have destroyed at least 37 ukrainian drones, but does not say how many actually reached their target. so there is a feeling that the ukrainians are really moving the theater of war to russia. territory, instead of focusing only on one part of the front, they are trying to expand the zones where they create problems for the russians. i propose to talk about ukraine's strategy, because at the beginning of this week, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine stated that there is no intention to occupy captured russian regions. what is the goal of the ukrainian army? so far, it is difficult to answer this question. it seems that there are several reasons why

the ssu takes such actions. the official position that was mentioned is that it is not about capturing and holding russian territory, it is primarily about defense, because many of the shelling from russia is carried out precisely from the kursk region, therefore they want to clear this territory to prevent further shelling of ukraine. in addition, even if minimal military human resources of ukraine are involved in the operation. some russian troops will still have to move into the offensive region to defend russian territory, which means they will be pulled away from the ukrainian territories they were entrenched in, ultimately reducing some of the pressure on the front line for ukrainian defenders. such actions also improve kyiv's strategic position and somewhat change the narrative of this war, because for the last few months were not for ukrainians.

no significant successes or victories, before that there was a slow, but offensive russian army on ukrainian territory. current events also dispel the notion that war can only take place in ukraine and not on russian soil. so when thousands of russians become internally displaced and flee their homes deep into russia, it creates the impression that russians are unable to effectively control the world. border. what will happen next is difficult to predict. it is unlikely that the ukrainians have enough forces and logistics to hold these territories long-term. perhaps that is why they declare that they are not going to occupy them, because they know that it will be difficult for them to hold these positions for a long time. one of the reasons why they succeeded in this operation is the element of surprise, which has already lost its immediate effect. however, no matter what happens, the ukrainian army will retreat

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thank you for that, and in order to motivate, contribute, we have an interesting conversation and an interesting interlocutor, hanna gobko , people's deputy of the eighth convocation. head of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign affairs of the same of the eighth convocation and the chairman of the board of the national interest protection association ans. mrs. hanna, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes and i also call. everyone to contribute to our historic victory. thank you for supporting all the meetings. so, they say in the united states, no attacks in kurshchyna, yes in crimea. we knew that even storumshed was not allowed to be used in britain, precisely because of the chicken, and now an article appears in the times that this is not a decision exclusively of great britain itself, which already a month ago... was sent from britain a request to the united states washington to agree to such a permit, and there they say, no,

they say no, and that it seems to be a usual scheme, that this is a delay for so long, they have to think it over, analyze, discuss everything, and that's it such a routine process in the united states of america, sources in the times write, and what do you think, well, really. our task is to continue to convince, and the operation in kurshchyna just showed that ukraine seized the initiative, showed that there are no red lines that were feared in the white house or in white house advisers such as jake salevan and others, and this is precisely our task now to demonstrate that not only for ukraine, but also for the civilized west of our partners, this is simply a historic opportunity. to convince the countries of the global south that only our victory is precisely the way to sustainable peace,

the way to stop the attacks from china, north korea, iran in other parts of the planet, so i really thank the british, here are a few more countries , who are now trying, as they say, to formulate, i don't want to say, to push the position of the usa is that all restrictions should be. removed also so that ukraine, instead of discussions, where, you remember, even before kurshchyna, everyone talked about negotiations, as much as it is necessary to sit down, and negotiations would mean some kind of truce, and now we have to talk about what we such decisive steps are needed from our partners in the ramstein coalition, from nato, who will hold not a peace summit, but a victory summit and preferably in... ukrainian crimea, liberated from the occupiers. ms. hanna, do

you think there are no other options, these are such routine processes when it authorization lasts for months, we saw that when israel was attacked in the middle east, the decision was instantaneous, one day, two days, and here everything floats up and flies up, and this is all done much faster and does not require discussions, do we have a chance... actually for such a quick process, with whom, to whom to turn with such questions and who should talk about it? we have to convince us president biden that his legacy should be as worthy as that of reagan, who helped make the evil empire lose, and in fact we saw the collapse of the soviet union. that is, biden's contribution should not be peace deals, well , that is, to force ukraine to tighten its arms,

there to prepare for the negotiating table. and biden generally has a historic opportunity to end his presidency, if it is right to mobilize all the military resources and means we need right now, then in principle i can imagine a completely realistic visit by the president of the united states, the president of ukraine to... the liberated crimea, and it would be very not just symbolically, because in the 14th year , biden was then vice president, when russia invaded crimea, in the 24th year, biden, already as the president of the united states, puts the full stop, saying that we are restoring respect for international law based on respect for territorial integrity, this would be true leadership of the united states, and i think that for of the democratic party yes... it would also be a sign of this, as they say, authority, strength, and the ukrainian

victory is also the victory of the united states of america, as the leader of the free world, which has demonstrated reliability and the ability to mobilize the world for victory, and therefore i i think that it is necessary to talk about this in the united states of america, now we have a topic, because there is still in... the possibility of allocating more funding for ukraine, about 5 billion, it is called presidential drawdowns, presidential decrees, we are also working on this, and already, as they say, this administration can talk with japan, south korea, in addition to britain and our european partners, about what ukraine needs to win. we need to change this narrative, not just to seek to ensure peace, but to focus on the victory, which will be just the end,

almost the 11th year of russian aggression, and the ukrainian authorities need it. to ukrainian civil society to carry out a campaign that russian aggression is committing genocide, the russian federation is committing genocide and there are several initiatives in the us congress, and therefore the geno recognition of aggression as genocide requires other means of supporting ukraine, especially the military and requires such tools as punishment through a tribunal , here and the payment to ukraine of not just the confiscated 300 billion in the future, but also reparations, so we need to approach this as well, you talked about the middle east, why is israel getting a lot of help there, i want us to be just as, as they say, toothy, just as persistent, that is,

defending our national interests , in particular in the united states of america, but only biden decides, well... his term of office is already coming to an end, various people, perhaps evil tongues, say that in principle he does not decide much anymore, and we saw an example when it was a few days therefore, two senators from two parties came to kyiv and spoke together blumenthal and linzigram, they were together, which actually was such a demonstration that they support ukraine in both parties, despite the fact that... trump is making various statements now, or only to biden, to whom, so you can work even further actually , it is not known who will win the election? well, actually, when the us congress allocated 60 billion in aid to ukraine, there was an obligation for the administration to present a strategy for ukraine. and actually, we

remember the criticism of the republican party, but where is the vision. the president of the united states, regarding victory, how many resources are still needed for this. this strategy was not presented, and therefore we see some decisions being delayed, in particular, regarding the removal of restrictions on deep strikes. and we are now talking also in preparation for winter, a coalition is being formed, poland, romania, which can shoot down russian missiles that will move towards western ukraine, odesa. it is the same as our air defense shield, it is an anti-missile shield so that we can also localize business in western ukraine and have protection. because as far as president biden is concerned, obviously we have to convince that now, understanding how much

the presidential campaign is going on, there are a lot of sensitive things. but they also need this so that there is no such harsh criticism from the competitor's party, well, in fact, we have seen how the west often, speaking with ukraine, says: work with the countries of the so-called global south, convince them that russia has weaponized food , that russia tries to commit genocide every day, but the best argument... for the countries of the global south is ukrainian victory, because it will become such a powerful force of the west and all efforts to help ukraine, and this must be explained to the american administration, explained through the mouths of our veterans, volunteers, and our partners, such as britain, the countries of central and eastern europe,

through the mouths of taiwan, and other indo- of the pacific region, you can... in fact say that the fate of democracy depends on how quickly ukraine wins, and biden should also understand that, at the end of his presidency, he needs a victory, not some, i don't know, on the table, when they will agree on negotiations, a truce, and it will just be a strategic pause, maybe for the event, to prepare for the confrontation, but in fact, now is a historic moment to win all the resources necessary for the liberation of crimea, in order to have, let's say, a historic summit of victory of ukraine. took place there, and it could be better and faster, in fact, i see that inside russia there are many, well, such

signals that say that we now need to mobilize and inform, and this is very important, that kanal espresso calls to continue, for the situation in the pokrov region requires daily daily donations, contributions in order to continue calling the enemy, but at the same time we need to convince our partners, not to be afraid of the defeat of the russian federation, not to be afraid, that’s exactly what you say about what and for a good end to biden's career would be the success of ukraine, instead of what we see, we see biden, we see the karamurza family in the white house, and this is the person who says that putin is bad, but everyone others are good, but not all the others have come and shoot they launch rockets and call to kill ukrainians, what is wrong, why, why is this happening, why

are people inviting people to the white house who still do not see an independent state in ukraine, well , actually, this is not the first time we we see sympathies for the representatives of the so-called russian opposition, which they leave somewhere in the depths of their souls. supporters of great imperial russia, that is why our task is to continue working with representatives of indigenous peoples, who are fighting on the side of the armed forces against the aggressor, these are representatives from bashkurtostan, this is erzya, from dagestan, that is, these are the good, strong chechens who are fighting now. with us and understand that the victory of ukraine will be a window of opportunity for them, and this strategy must be presented, there is a league of free peoples, it must be said more clearly

that the enslaved peoples, whom the fsb constantly tries to put their most active representatives, as they say, to pressure, to put in prison and explain that, well, we understand. why was armament delayed very often, because there was no strategy for the victory of ukraine due to the fear that one of the consequences of defeat russia may disintegrate, and they are not ready for this for a minute, i ask you to summarize your opinion, the victory of ukraine will be the beginning of de-imperialization and the liberation of enslaved peoples, and this will happen, despite the fact that the west is artificially trying to hold back. disintegration of the russian federation, but we need to become strong within our state, because we have many unresolved institutional problems, we need to strengthen

our law enforcement agencies, i mean the courts, we also have respect for the parliament, respect for civil society, i really hope that the president of ukraine will hold a meeting with the democratic opposition, with civil society, with veterans, volunteers, and we will have a dialogue for victory within the country. we hope thank you. hanna gubko was with us, people's deputy of the eighth convocation and head of the board of the ge network for the protection of national interests of ans. a short pause on our airwaves, colleagues will continue, roman and i will return at 2:10 p.m. don't switch. tired of a mess in the kitchen? constantly has to sort through a pile of pans to find the right one. you need the savory pro kit. unpack tv. savory pro pans

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