historical and various historical monuments, as a result of which russia took away a large part of chinese territories, and if mrs. natalya, now, carefully, in my opinion, returns it all in reverse order, not everything is so evil there. forgive me, forgive me for interrupting, but we want to come back, you mentioned the chance and opportunity for north korea now to get some food and a little more from russia. here are those developments, at least, which they do not have, but now they have another chance not only from russia, but also from south korea, the president there suggested, let's create a working group and talk, so that it is possible to ease the tension that exists between the two koreas, what is the point, because japan is nearby, which does not ease the tension, on the contrary, they are increasing funding for the defense industry, because they say china is nearby.

the relations between the two koreas are part of both the domestic and foreign policy of south korea, and accordingly the president of ukraine, speaking on the day when the two two parts, the two koreas at one time defeated the japanese colonial period, and should unite, he should at this time give some signals for north korea, because this is part of their policy, for today. we must understand that the relations between the two koreas are very tense, the arrival of president yunsu, he further increased this tension in relations, because he immediately chose a hard line, not to let north korea go, as his predecessor did, who tried to tongues, economic appeasement, and we remember, and mediation between the us and north korea to establish these relations, but with the rooster...korea, conversations are always empty, so

that in the history of the two countries, which is already more than 70 years after the war of 50-53, there were constant periods of such a brief warming of relations, followed by such a fierce confrontation, and accordingly, south korea has no special illusions that any calls to economic interaction or calls for cooperation can somehow be settled. these relations, but nevertheless, the president of this country, he should show his doctrine regarding south north korea, that is, his vision, how to build these relations, and why this it is important because in december there was a certain shift in the politics of north korea in relation to the south, previously the two countries even in their constitutions filled such and such data that they... must necessarily unite, but

timchene decided that now he does not want to unite with south korea, he threw out this clause from the constitution, he said that from now on south korea will be considered as an enemy, and accordingly now it is not one nation, but they are enemies, so in south korea, well now it is important from the point of view somehow react to this new policy and make your own vision, that is, according to the idea, they also need to... change their constitution, remove this clause that they will not unify, but so far south korea is not ready for this, and accordingly, president yoon-soo proposes a new form of unification through freedom, that is, earlier they looked through reconciliation, because of some economic prospects, and now also through freedom, i will tell you that this is a very irritating proposal for north korea and for their leader, we will watch it madam.

natalya, we will watch how it all turns out to develop, and also, how will china's attitude to the war that russia unleashed against ukraine be now, to develop and whether they will once again send their lihui somewhere to europe and to us in general, how will they now play their card in the global south after the events in kurshchyna , which stopped even the plans that were being quietly developed in some western capitals. thank you, ms. natalya, for being with the viewers of espresso for this detailed analysis. nataliya plaksienko butyrska, expert on east asian issues, as you can see, we are almost the entire globe they took it, so they ran like that today. now we have a short break on the air, then be sure to stay with us for the interview of yuri fizer, you can watch with indologist mridula ghosh about the visit of the future prime minister of india to ukraine and the revolution in bangladesh, don't miss it, we say goodbye , now we will see each other by tomorrow morning. have a peaceful, safe evening,

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of your time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is about. two hours to keep up with economic and sports news. two hours in the company. that many became the events of the day in two hours, the big broadcast of vasyl movridny, as well as the distinguished guests of the studio: winter, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening at espresso. greetings, my name is yuri fizer, this is an espresso interview, well, as always we are we invite very interesting guests in order to talk with them, discuss interesting things. topic, today i will talk with my guest about a country that is geographically very far away from us, and many people, when they hear about this big country that is located far away from us, they think, why is this country not sufficiently actively involved in of the process of finding ways and methods

of ending the russian war in ukraine, and i want to hear an answer to this question today from my guest and to many others, the country that we will talk about today, after all... it's not only about her, it's india, india, its prime minister in rendramod, ukrainian-indian relations, and much more. so, my guest, mridula ghosh, historian, internationalist, chairman of the board of the east european development institute. mrs. meridulo, i congratulate you. congratulations. i would like to thank you very much for visiting today and for explaining a lot of points that may not be clear to a ukrainian viewer. and some many moments also ask a lot of questions to the ukrainian viewer, why we you invited, and because we want to talk, why i invited, because i want to talk, first of all , about what will happen, well, literally less than in less than two weeks, on august 23

, on the eve of independence day, well, at least it is so announced now, ukraine has promises to visit the prime minister. indian minister narendra modi, before that he has to visit poland, after poland, literally for half a day he has to come to ukraine, i understand how important it is for ukraine, but my first question to you is: can you confirm that it is precisely modi who will come to ukraine, because i read information that it could be the minister of foreign affairs, that it could be the national security advisor, or would it be mr. modi? yes, i can't confirm this, but for everything, i for everything, you know, i can say in advance that everyone is preparing to meet the fashions, but according to the plan, i know, and... it's still may or april, then they were still talking about , that

the minister of foreign affairs is to visit this year, and that is exactly what was planned, in the meantime some events took place, and it was mr. moti who personally announced that he wanted to visit, that is, it was an initiative from him as well and not only, president zelenskyi invited him to ukraine many times, and ms. dulo, but tell me, please, if it will be mr. modi, of course, we would like it to be him, as the head of state of a large , asian country, if he comes, do you personally have any explanation as to why, after 2.5 years of aggressive russian war, he has only just arrived, will come, maybe there was no prime minister of india before ukraine since independence, you know that. yes, since 1991, this is the highest political level of leadership, it did not exist in ukraine,

well, we are looking for an answer, maybe we need to dig deeper, and there were only two presidents like that, in 1993, it was mr. shankardoal sharma, the president, and the second is during viktor yushchenko's tenure, president abdul kalam and both of them came here. were eminent scholars and they mingled with your elite. shankardail sharma also received anoryska from kyiv university. but the president for us is such a more ceremonial person, that too, and the head of the government, and the parliamentary leader and the prime minister, that is the parliamentary democracy, he is the main political leader, therefore from this point of view the visit, the first visit of the prime minister. because once i also said that mr. modi was the prime minister in general,

whenever i said that, they waved their hands, what a prime minister, the courts will never come, that is , that's how it was, you know, this was always the answer of the officials with whom i could communicate, that was how they reacted to it, you see, ukraine was not a priority, priority, field of view, that is, they thought that everyone these post-soviet women. the state focused all its attention on russia, first of all, and there was not even an embassy in the baltic countries, for example, they just opened, this year, last year they opened in lithuania, in latvia, well, you see, there is still no ambassador in moldova, no ambassador in romania accredited part-time works, well, we will leave these diplomatic details, but in the first years of independence , there was an embassy here in kazakhstan among the so-called everything is, the caucasus was also not for a long time sent to armenia, and the ambassador to ukraine was also in favor

part-time ambassador to armenia, it was also a long time, but then he was appointed anyway, that is , at the diplomatic level, ukraine was not a priority, and you understand, it was still like that then, remember, the sale of tanks to pakistan, it’s just such, such a distance was created between countries, absolutely it really annoyed india, annoyed and do it. it's simple that only president kuchma went until 2002, and before that there was a trip by the head of the national bank, mr. yushchenko, and he then saw and wrote a letter to mr. kuchma that they sold some 600.70 million there, but lost billions here, that is, it was a very responsible step, personally mr. yushchenko was very supportive of relations with india and he accepted. that president in 2005, i remember, nothing happened after that, but

who traveled from ukraine? kravchuk went in 1992, right after independence, then mr. kuchma went and then mr. yanukovych went in the 12th year, so in response to that visit in the 12th year in december, now someone will come, not the president, but the prime minister , but i consider this very important. event and there were deputy ministers of foreign affairs, they were there, but why him yes, i mean mr. narendra modi, why is he 2.5 years old, that is enough to make so... some, some understanding, even in himself, understanding of what is happening in us, and if you do you really understand that this is aggression, since mr. modi says, well, he doesn't say it openly, but he does, but he talks about it, he says it, if he says it, if he understands it, why did it take 2.5 years for in order to understand that you need to go to ukraine, you see, there are many questions here, unfortunately, i

cannot give an answer, because it is not easy his desire, his desire is political. of course, there is such a factor here, but there is another factor of security, that is, where a military, well , action is taking place, then maybe they will say no, no, no, it is not necessary and so on, but the factor of this visit was, unfortunately, unfortunately , great blood and grief and tears are with you, so you know, here without a relative nationality or passport, i will say that we are also sad, and we were very indignant, and a lot of people even wrote a letter to ... mr. moda from the diaspora, that you should not go there, if there, then here too come, i wrote an article about yes, you mean, it’s to moscow, moscow, yes, i also wrote an article about the fact that if the optics will be terrible then, i did not know that there will be shelling that day okmadit and in general we by the way, we have the direct speech of mr. modi, when he did not have a press conference at the meeting with putin on that day

, you know, it was very interesting, they met one on one, and mr. noda experienced it. a politician, after all, a very experienced politician, but he has certain such, you know, he has such a natural feeling for something, i am not his a supporter, a supporter, i will say it right away, without any piety, that is, you know, i am not like that, this is called a bhakt, people who pray to him, well, i am not like that, but nevertheless, i think it was worth seeing the leader , who sat next to me in samarkand for 2 m, like you and i... we sit and say that this is not an era of war, and it was september, the month of 2022, i think a little like that, well, maybe he can suddenly, you know, something can speak, and this time i was waiting for such a miracle in moscow too, but nothing happened the first day, instead we just all were in blood and in tears, because what

happened, and he hugs, and there are some horses, some such, well, i don't know what is happening there and... we will give it, now we will give it so that the audience can hear it, and then maybe you can comment on what he said let's hear the prime minister of india on rendrumodi any person who believes in humanity feels pain when people die and especially when innocent children die when we feel such pain, then... my heart just explodes, i had the opportunity to discuss these issues with you yesterday, as your friend, i am always i say that for the light of the future of our future generations, peace is mandatory. we believe that war is not a solution, a solution cannot be with the help of war. bombs, rockets and rifles cannot ensure peace, so we emphasize dialogue. do you think it

was, was it a strong statement at randremod or not, or was it that way? well, at most what he can, he could say, he spoke, i.e. instead of talking, why did you give the order to shoot missiles at kyiv, well, there was no such direct speech, but i think in such a way this level is enough, i think that i would have expected the same if the leaders were sitting next to each other and talking, but i don't really remember this, if the leaders were sitting next to each other and putin could be seen there, because putin is so in the face of the people. well, look, there were meetings with macron, there were meetings with scholz, or with other leaders, and other leaders even of the so-called global south, well, i don't want to, because this is my prime minister, but that's what i say anyway i don't remember, maybe i missed something, you know that, but this is how

damage control was, i immediately say that it was damage control, but it was clear that... he's not happy, he's not happy, because he doesn't like it when his image is hit, and it was a bloody image, it's just smeared with blood, as i say, it's just that it was terrible, so i think he will not be able to forgive this, well , he cannot put up with it, and soon there will be a statement that he is visiting ukraine, and very skillfully, it is such a twin trip, yes, a double trip, poland- ukraine, that is, everyone was afraid... and a lot of lobbyists in india constantly said: "mr. madi, you should not go to ukraine, what is it like there, just even diplomats who were retired, who are now headed by some such". they spoke so simply frankly, and their many such broadcasts

were that it is not worth it, it is necessary to send someone lower, a lower position is not necessary to ukraine, it was especially annoying, and of course, they these people are very pro-russian, and we also thought that he would do everything to cancel or stop this trip, but you know, then the question would arise, then he might cancel poland, it will not work, the risk is so great, after all, so if he will be in poland, the probability that even for half a day, well, people will come to you, after all , many european leaders also came by train, and then they leave, so let it be for half a day, i think this is correct, or there is some, well, i understand... maybe you have some insights, where is he, i mean mr. panamodi, where is he going to be in kyiv, well, meeting the president like this, somewhere else will be possible, i don’t know, you know ,

i do not work in the protocol service, maybe they are the people who will prepare the visits, maybe it is on in the next days we will hear what will happen, i think they will have a lot of working meetings, negotiations, it will be a lot, because political... mr. kuleba was in march, and the process has already started there, which is now, you know, if so look, this is the highest level going after kulebi, this is the beginning, this will push us to renew political consultations, which were stopped, and now it is going on sectorally, for example, there was a meeting about education, it is done even online, there will be more on culture, that is, by... the embassy of ukraine and here, they work, and the ministry, separate ministries in order to fully work on various agreements and relations. india has already provided some 16 times

sent humanitarian cargo, in these 2.5 years, this is state aid. india also announced a grant that is given, called a high impact community development grant, these are at the local level, the money is small, it is... , but this aid, this program is not given by india anywhere except to neighboring countries, but unfortunately, the memorandum of this has not yet been signed, this program was announced back in november or january of this year, so this is also it we are waiting, maybe there will be some solution, that is , even if the money is small, well, you don't refuse what is provided, it's just to local communities. will go, it is not centralized, and here it will be like a grant, that is , the reconstruction of schools, libraries, that is , civil infrastructure,

this grant is price-oriented, so it is also important, and it will not involve india, it will not give weapons, because there is none, although you know, there weapons, i know that only the armenians were given recently, and there is a lot of such speculation. all that supposedly india was also sending a ship to israel, some spaniards did not let him in, because it is between palestine, because mr. mody supported israel, and it is also important that there are certain turns in indian foreign policy, what will happen to ukraine, we will see when he arrives, he will have these negotiations, i hope , that he will also visit some humanitarian organizations or places where, well... honoring the memory of the dead and also a meeting with the diaspora will be possible, but the time is very little, i don't know, we made such and such an appeal, and i collected

signatures about 215 people, in these two days from monday, and already yesterday they sent him a letter it's called please you have that, that, that, that's our appeal to you directly, and they got it in the prime minister's office, i was told yesterday, and... so we'll see if he meets with us, it will be good. they got it and passed it on, don't you know, to mr. narender, no, well, the adviser said we'll talk to him, that's how we have it, that is, you see, some channel has to be cut so that there's direct direct communication with him , and for him to know the truth, whether he will have, again, this may not be a question for you, or whether there may be an address in ukraine on rendrimod to the ukrainian people, as is often the case. i think he is coming, if on the 23rd, let 's think about it, it is for us, the day of the flag of ukraine, yes, and immediately. in 12 hours

it will be ukraine's independence day, so this is a very good opportunity to congratulate the people, not to make speeches, not to make any political statements, at least to congratulate ukraine, because it constantly talks about the territorial integrity and sovereignty of this state, and arriving on that day, he thus supports this sovereignty, he is not against this state, well at least that's how we should... not do that, how would we give him the opportunity, if only for one and a half or two minutes in the parliament, such a platform, then it would be very good, it depends on the ukrainian leadership, well, definitely not on me, the leadership , is it from the protocol, no, well, india cannot say, give me the floor in the parliament, this should be an initiative from ukraine, of course, i would very much like this

initiative to be from ukraine. rang out, because it was only yesterday that there was a joke like this, you know, someone says, but maybe they won't give it, because there is no translator, says that there is no translator, there are so many people, for 30 years the university already has faculties, a department, and there is a hindi center that trains specialists, there are many people who speak hindi fluently, so if there are no indians who know the language, well i will not sit in front of the translator, so it must be official. i am not a translator, but there are ukrainians who can do it, well, i would really like god to give our leadership the sense to suggest doing it, because you know, as you said, to suggest is one thing, and the second is also to understand that from this side, you understand that yes, he makes such a statement, not a statement, congratulations, but with that

, you understand, he wins a lot of people. some kind of trust, turning around - this is very important now, because a lot of damage has been done by russia, and to us, to our country, and that india does not support ukraine, this is the impression, you understand, and a lot of people support it, a lot of our , well, we didn't go anywhere, we are sitting here, we want to prove that there is another india, now let's get on with it, there is another india, but you talk about... another india that supports ukraine, but there is another india that maintains very close ties with russia, there is, there is, how close is it, can you say that mr. modi, well maybe independent from russia, but feels a need to be constantly in touch with russia, well, it's not really up to mr. moda, in general, our foreign policy department and

also a lot... and these think tanks, which are think tanks, are not governmental organizations, they very much, as if they closed their eyes to all other countries, that is, they are quasi, i don't know, they are, russia is a big friend, old historical, i don’t understand at all what kind of historicity, because their history also began in 1991, no, our history began in 1947, when india became, because this... the entire soviet period they usurped, and therefore all the other republics, which also had a very large influence and contribution, by the way, ukraine has a very large contribution, how many ukrainian scientists worked, how many ukraine made these developments, you know, a lot of space programs, a lot of defense programs, this all ukrainian scientists, but they simply forgot that no, ukraine is it some pro-western state, it is there too much.

all the rhetoric that we are at war with nato is staring at us, it is very scary, and this is a nightmare and so on, and then the second thing is that it is supported by america, you understand that america abandoned afghanistan, america will soon abandon ukraine, this is constantly this is the kind of rhetoric, russia today is in every home, through cable tv, yes, and it's a billion and a half, you can't, you see, it's just necessary. work hard and can develop, break it only through human contacts, that is, contacts between people, it must be expanded, well , ukraine has not been in a big hurry with this all these years, and probably now with these agreements and political processes, we will very much hope that india has opened an embassy, ​​now also the baltic countries, it was not there, but what am i saying,