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promised, oleg shamshur, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine in the united states and in france, but judging by the flag behind me, it is clear that there is almost nothing to talk about france today we will, if we will at all, but let 's talk about america, if mr. oleg appears now, then we will talk right away, mr. oleg has appeared, thank you for finding time for us, thank you very much, thank you, for such very difficult and simple such political and philosophical ones question, anyway, we will return to america before the beginning of november, and maybe after the beginning of november, how do you feel about everything here at the level of sensations, this kurshchyna and this attack of the ukrainian army, it somehow came as a surprise to the american establishment, because the feeling is that they really did not inform. ukrainians and maybe that's why

it is so secret and it turned out that they were not informed. please, mr. oleg. to be honest, well, looking at biden, it 's quite difficult to understand what he really feels, but at the level of emotions, like gadfiels say, the impression is that it came, if not completely, then to a large extent it came as a surprise, uh, apparently... uh, they said from our side, but obviously not everything was said, that's my personal feeling. mr. leger, but in diplomacy, there are already various anecdotes starting to be mentioned that when you don't ask, you have a freer hand, because some experts say that the ukrainians have always asked, and it's possible, no, no, by all means, just in case, you can't. and here and there, no,

you don't have to do it, and this is where it's a red line already, here when they didn’t ask, they did it, so what now that biden won’t say anymore, go back from the chicken coop immediately, and don’t sit there on the chicken coop, it’s wrong, well, we’ve already moved forward, then we’ve moved forward, that’s in diplomacy it plays, well, that's how you can behave, that's the question, definitely it plays diplomacy, whether it's diplomacy or not, it's hard to say, but sometimes i... i don't claim that it was in this case, the other party who is asked, she may not thank you, you'd better not ask, as if we don't know anything, that is the option is also possible, oh, this is a very interesting clarification, i.e. when ukrainians say, well , it’s possible, well, you’d better not ask us, it’s possible, and then it’s like a free hand, you understand, maybe, well, it often happened from... not so direct

and, but with a hint, as they say, with a wink, an intelligent person will understand, well, how it was in this case, i do not know, but that it is possible, it is possible. this visit of the senators of the united states, who came here and praised the terrible strength of the ukrainian armed forces and ukraine in general, how important it is to us, you understand, senators travel and travel and travel, and congressmen also travel, we simply do not notice that there are results of these visits, or whether they really do not exist, and it is so simple for the sake of showing the interest of america, the interest of ukraine and so on further. but in fact the results, well, they are invisible, or visible only to specialists. what do you say, mr. oleg? and in order for the results to be noticeable, either a situation is needed, well, let's say, the one that was delayed in the adoption of the last big aid package, or in principle it

works on a longer scale of time, and eh... let's say, the result of this minute can only be given if a representative of the administration, the president, says so, that is, it is clear that senators, even those like blumenthal, who represent the ruling democratic party, yes it does not happen directly, as for the visit of graham blyumital, in principle , nothing unexpected, these are the people who form such a support base. of ukraine, with the exception of that rather strange moment of his behavior on the part of the republican senator, when he voted on the opposed the approval of the package that

included the reform of the immigration law, but in general graham, as they say, this is our support group, he is ... uh, well known as a supporter of ukraine, so is blumenthal, but this is important in that plan, what about the elections, regardless of who wins, plus it is unclear now where the democrats will have a majority, where the republicans will have, obviously there will still be a divided government, when one party will have a majority in one of the chambers, and another in the other, it is very important that... support from both sides is maintained party, that is, all these visits are very important, especially if we are talking about the visits of sufficiently influential senators, so i see only a plus here. one more question, this is such

an internal american issue, and if such a trend, well, at least i see it, maybe i'm the only one who sees it, that... hamala haris is somehow definitely catching up with trump, maybe she hasn't caught up yet, but speaking about the trends in particular, it is obviously gaining, and even this impression, i don’t know, maybe i am taking it as a wishful thinking, that trump is slowing down a little, and when you listen to american experts, then there are such and such hints, and sometimes not hints, frankly, that he sometimes does not like even his... his closest people, who seem to tell him that you should not say these words, you are already scaring him away, it is not necessary, now it's an interview with mr. musk, and all this together, if it doesn't add, let's

say, to trump, according to kamala harris, what do you say, and you can talk about it for a very long time, well, in general, you said, correctly, i'll... clarify a few points, well, first of all, about haris, she's definitely picking up right now, sort of they say, points, there is even a certain euphoria among the democrats, i would compare this euphoria with the one that prevailed among the democrats during the nomination of the presidential candidate barack obama, but you have to understand that harris is a figure... who is largely made, that is , she was a low-profile senator, a low -profile vice president, but she turned out to be quite a skilled political, i would say, manipulator in 32 hours with the help of her allies, she took control of the election

campaign and now has a very positive momentum that up to this point, as in me is largely explained by the fact that... democrats breathed a sigh of relief, as they say, after they managed to convince biden to withdraw his candidacy, we can talk about it for a long time, why and how. and happened, but it's an established fact, for trump, really, the removal of biden from the race, it was, i would say, a surprise and an unpleasant surprise for him, because he was absolutely sure that he was going to beat biden, now he still can't, can't work out a clear strategy to fight haris and... really him the situation is complicated by the fact that it's trump,

so he's, if you will, the biggest political enemy of trump himself, because everyone advises him to lead the debate on political issues, and there are opportunities to criticize the administration of biden, biden harris, he all the time kills on personal grievances, allow themselves such boorish behavior, and indeed, you correctly pointed out that this causes, well, such, i would say, misunderstanding of his advisers and misunderstanding of dissatisfaction even among those voters who support trump politically, that is, the situation is really for it is also very difficult, but in principle, if in general, now the situation must be... evaluated realistically, and it shows that these are very

tight elections, eh, the struggle will be very tough, and it is tough, so, no always pleasant on both sides, and even if you look at harris' success, she is, as i say, taking a bite out of trump's support, but on many issues, she will close the gap, but not close it yet, if you ... take these very important swing states , then if we take into account the average indicators, after all, she has now really seized the initiative in two states, this michigan and wisconsin, in all other states, including pennsylvania , trump still has an advantage, that is, the outcome of the election will probably be determined by several dozen, not even hundreds, several tens of thousands of elections are possible in these three states as well. pennsylvania, michigan tours. thank you very much, oleg shamshur, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine in the united states and in

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good health once again, it's 17:47 now, and we will talk about sumy region first of all, and first of all with mr. viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of analysis and policy. thank you very much, mr. viktor, for finding time for us, thank you very much, well, we know that you have bad news there, there was another attack by the russians, they bombed the house, the cars, it's time... so what is the mood of the people of sumy now in sumy got used to it, well, you can hardly get used to it, but the cheerfulness continues, or was it such an extremely strong attack, what do you say, good health, yes, well, on the one hand, it’s as if you can’t get used to it, but people

get used to it, because, well, most of the time... there is anxiety, and children are walking somewhere on the playgrounds, then the children are not listening, there is a thump, well , anxiety is buzzing somewhere, we are walking here, all because we have anxiety recently they were there for 6 hours, and for 8, and for 12 hours, well, but people conclude for themselves that worries cannot cancel life, but today at 60 in the morning somewhere, well , there was a bang so that the whole city woke up, yes , iskander flew in, he flew in, well, clearly here, if on... state they say that there they shoot exclusively at the military objects or some kind of infrastructure, then there are no boilers, no stoves, no no no nothing, no military or military-like objects there, well, you see for yourself that it just flew, uh, and flew straight to the parking lot, but in a residential neighborhood where people are in this parking lot,

the residents of the nearest houses throw their cars, a lot of cars were on fire, all this is in the public on telegram channels, it was all scattered somewhere, everyone saw it, but uh, there are, if there are literally victims there, well, everyone is lucky that they, well , i don't know where they were aiming, but at 6 o'clock in the morning, yes, and in all these buildings that we see, there are five large buildings, multi-apartment nine- story buildings, well, from the first to the ninth floor, they blew up windows, there is a little bit of... from the side on the street, it is a large shopping center, there are also floor windows, there are some office the premises, there is also something there somewhere, well, that’s all, yes, it’s terrifying, it’s not the first time we’ve had them, they were in the hospital before that, they beat the hospital before that, and it feels like they’re beating,

the cabs don’t reach us, cabs arrive, well, within the boundaries of the sumy community, but only in prigorody. they don't fly to the city itself, but now the front line has moved back, well, in fact, maybe they won't reach it, but they hit, very often they hit with ballistics, it is sumy that they hit, well , i have a feeling that specially civilians, so that they might be afraid to go out, however i will tell you that the mood of the people of sumy is still cheerful, why, because the majority, let's say so... people, well, we are not nazis, like our neighbors, and no one wants to be offended, especially, yes, but well, if... they say there, well, god does not see a little, and everyone there says, well, now they too will feel what war is, because for 2.5 years we

have felt it ourselves, and they they thought that it was some kind of svo, that it boomerangs never come back, that you can vote for putin there, putin will build an empire for them, and here it is it turned out differently, mr. viktor, well, first of all, i want to say that i, for example, feel angry, i don’t know, maybe... in sumy , people are more humanitarian, humanistic, but in kyiv i, at least somehow, i am pleased, and you feel, sumshchyna feels this attack of ukrainians on kurshchyna, you see some passage of some military equipment, some people, does it somehow happen that they do not go through sumy, but somewhere somehow so that no one sees, that is, there is knowledge you have that... there is an attack, you felt on the sixth, fifth preparation for this ukrainian attack on kurshchyna? you know, i, well, we all saw

that there were more soldiers, now we see them even more, because probably the reserves are shifting the columns and leaving, well, but i'm like , you know, i work in the project where we. .. we supply repair kits to the affected households in these 17 communities of the sumy region, which are the front-line communities that had, earlier these were communities that had a border with the russian federation from the 51st sumy region, exactly a third of these 17, and i saw that the military, well, but the military, because we thought that an attack from them was possible, yes, well therefore, that's why we had a fortification dug, dug, dug all around us. and it was visible, noticeable, the equipment, well, i saw the equipment there, i thought, well, especially there in some cities

in a specific way, and if i knew the area, then i thought, why right there, from that side, the attack is illogical, because there are swampy places, there is that, but as it turned out, not only the enemy, but also the local population led our people to oman, well , come on... i didn't guess what it was, i thought that it was us preparing for a fierce to fierce defense , but ours went on the offensive, yes, and what surprised them including us, so glory is for strength, for strength they know how to surprise, mr. viktor, and one more question, well, some kind of more civil life has already begun there, a ukrainian commandant of kurshchyna has been appointed, they started talking about a possible evacuation... russians from kurshchyna to sumy, well, so that they do not come under various shellings, one can feel the preparation for this in sumy,

there may be some schools, as they always provide for people who will come there 100, 200, 300, 500 people, somewhere there are buses being prepared, or some hotels cook for these people, maybe which ones will move from kurshchyna to... other sums, do you see something like that, or i don’t ask exactly, because i can’t, it’s some kind of military secret, so i ’m silent here, but on the streets you see that something is happening and there are preparations for acceptance these russians, whom ukraine must now take care of, yes, without a doubt, according to all the conventions, we must take care of them, and if someone comes to this moskalyov, like the military commandant, and says: well... here i want me my children were taken away because, well, conditionally, because we have to be with them he said to communicate, to say that putin will beat you especially fiercely now,

avdiivka’s fate awaits the judge there, yes, it’s clear, she doesn’t go to babushka, and that’s why it’s necessary if people, well, the children are not to blame for this, at least until they they voted for putin, yes, we have to take them out, although people here are... everyone is determined that if there was a guy there, then we don’t wait for them here, why do we need them here, no, let putin take them there, oh, but i i explain, well, we are humanists, we have to, but there are no free dormitories for them here, we cannot it's time to make tame people, because autumn is coming, uh, if we settle them somewhere there individually, and they will go to the same shops as our people, they will have problems, have... conflicts, if we settle some kind of dormitory , there the boys will smash their windows with slingshots, that's right, their children , god forbid, will go to school with ours, they will be

bullied, that is, they must be isolated. somewhere, if in ukraine, but, well, it has to be some kind of concentration camp or ghetto, well, if it ’s not humane either, that’s why we offer an option, let's make ukraine a transit territory, we put them in a courthouse at 7 a.m., somewhere on buses, somewhere, we are humanitarians, we have to feed them somewhere on the way, they will have breakfast there, they are in bags, they will have lunch in the shelters, and they will already have dinner we can give them on the territory of belarus. father and father, let them spend the night there, they are somewhere, and in the morning some region will take them to smolyansk or through starodubshchyna, to bryansk, this option would be the best option, yes, that is, we provide, in fact ukraine becomes a corridor, i will take them out in belarus, well, okay, someone will say, we do not have diplomatic relations with belarus, okay, let's choose a longer way, we will take them somewhere to poland, on the way

they will be somewhere... it is possible to spend the night several times, and from poland to the kaliningrad region, the old kaliningrad, here, that is, return them to their historical family, stop, leave kaliningrad, not their historical region, oh family, but it would be best to go to smalenshchyna, but it is also possible there through lithuania there, through latvia to pskov, there or through estonia to narva, the delivery time will be longer, but the best option, not veryschuk’s option, veryschuk is wrong, there’s no way, well... they will have a very uncomfortable life among ukrainians, in which the ghetto will also be uncomfortable, so the best option is to return them to the back of russia, just a hook will do, yes, well, that’s why what if i look at the map, and putin has already said that moving them to zaporizhzhia, that is , from war to war, will work that way, because after all, the western part of sumy region is more peaceful.

better than zaporozhye, because the war is going on there, the war is serious, but these are all yours reflections, this is an analysis of the streets of sumy, you don't see the arrival of some diplomats, ministers who prepare these corridors, tell people that you should not throw stones at the windows of these buses, because they are not going to you, but to belarus, etc. .. not to see, as far as i’m concerned, nothing like that has happened yet, it’s at the level of words and lereshchuk, she just stated, we know that servants are not believed to respect themselves, that their words and deeds can differ radically by 180°, but we as the public, as activists are ready to connect to that and work with people, that is, explain to people that if someone from suja wants to move somewhere

to return to russia through belarus, we... and you are about to yourself, well, you will provide, but you are expensive, you understand how to do it, you know point a, you roughly understand which road this bus will take, where it can be fed to that muscovite, and where there is a border with belarus, and there is some populated small town or village there, that is, you have the logistics worked out, at least in your head, when '. at least in my head i have a first degree geographer, i have worked out very clearly, we know how it can be, how it should be a trip, yes there is a conditional sumy, suja there, kanatop, pryluky, chernihiv and on to gomel, and we know that, of course, it is by car i will travel in five hours, it is clear that the bus is chugging all day, and therefore there must be points, there is a conditional breakfast, lunch and dinner, they can

be prepared, we imagine approximately. we will now have news, as far as i can see, yes, and then advertising, thank you, viktor boberenko, expert of the bureau of analysis and policy directly from sumy, told us what is happening in the wonderful city of sumy and in general in the sumy region, which is now witnessing successful attacks by ukrainians on russian territory. so, news, advertising, and then we return. with historian oleksan, candidate of historical sciences, officer of the third separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine. but news.