in particular, from the united states precisely in this kursk operation, because we are talking about sovereign russian territory, and some countries, some countries are already moving away from this so-called red line, in germany they say that from the moment german tanks arrived in ukraine, these have actually become ukrainian tanks, let them use them as they want, canada has given the go-ahead for the use of its weapons, weapons that are manufactured there. er, on the territory of the kursk region, but joseph biden and his administration are still in every way inclined to such a decision and similar permission for ukraine, including the delegation, the bipartisan delegation of the united states, which visited the ukrainian capital this week. so do you really think we're getting to a point where there will be no taboos and no restrictions from the united states on the use

of weapons, of course i'd like to hope so, because it's a ridiculous restriction, it's the first , secondly, well, in fact, these two years have shown the failure of this administration’s strategy in relation to russia and ukraine, and there is, well, you know, this is probably due to a certain time we will find out whether the americans knew about or jointly developed this operation with them, i have doubts about it, although the advisor... of the president's office podalyak said that the americans were aware, in confirmation of his words, perhaps we can cite that bucin and the ukrainians destroyed several bridges in the kurt region, using american missiles, if this is the case, this means that they are aware, or they were forced to help ukraine with the destruction of strategically important bridges on the territory of the russian federation, if the americans do not knew it was a surprise for them, well, as a surprise,

probably their intelligence understood that the forces of ukraine were accumulating on the border with the russian federation, that we were planning something there, but they probably did not know the essence of what was going to happen, and of course they should not have revealed themselves as those who do not control the situation, which is precisely why they actually supported our actions in the turkish direction, well, whatever, this administration is already completing its... work, and it is possible, if there was an agreement with the americans, our actions, and if we were given permission to beat in kurdish bridges, this means that more and more they are taking control, at least the strategy in relation to russia, ukraine, camilla harris's team, there is such a phil gordon, a person who is very knowledgeable about european affairs, maybe he wants to show before the election day that so...

camila garis is able not only to continue the same strategy, well, as i said, it is already a failure, absolutely obvious, but to do something else, and of course, there is also pressure, including due to the elections in united states, you just showed lynsey graham, one of the leading republicans, who said, well, we need to kick the ass of the russians, that they will increase the pressure on the administration, so that there are no senseless restrictions, so that more weapons are provided to ukraine. well, by the way, until today, only about 20% of the amount allocated by the congress for security assistance to ukraine has been used, and in fact, all this ends at the end of september, in fact , the permission to use this money, that is , let's say, the fiscal year , yes, and then you will need to make certain additional ones bureaucratic measures to unlock this aid, so far... we

don't see the americans in a hurry, or rather this administration, well, the republicans usually use it as pressure on this administration and criticism, so i hope that they will change , that they will realize their mistakes, that they will change their approach, at least until the elections, and then, of course, with the new administration, we will look at how to form a strategy for the victory of ukraine, which, by the way, was also a condition for voting for a large aid package of 61 billion, and... the administration was supposed to provide a strategy for the victory of ukraine and where would the goals of the united states regarding ukraine and russia be highlighted? mr. oleksandr, i don't know if you have been following, but some interesting points were made in donald trump's interview with elon musk. wow, yeah, i'm really a little bit in disbelief that i'm saying this and that we're even following this, but that's how it happened, and one of the most interesting points is that donald trump said that he... told putin

not to to invade ukraine, er, how do you generally evaluate er, this is the image course of the former american president and presidential candidate? again from the republican party, but to go to this interview, and in principle to say quite bright extraordinary things there, as always. well, first of all, there was a comment by john boldon, who was president trump's national security adviser, he said that there was no such conversation when he was the head of the department, and he does not know from other sources that trump once said something similar to putin. so most likely you know it like we have gpt chat, this artificial intelligence which sometimes hallucinates and gives very strange answers to the person, i think it was just, let's say, in trump's style, he lives in this fantasy that the palm of musk and his platforms, this is also an interesting

separate topic, because by and large this person bought twitter , a hugely popular western platform, not to make money. precisely in order to contribute to the promotion of the political agenda and in particular the coming to power of donald trump, or well, before it was unknown whether donald trump would withstand the pressure, maybe it was an airborne assault, there a few more the same nikili, that is, in principle , he has a hidden hidden agenda, he is with peter thiel, another famous billionaire and technology leader. they promote their rather specific, let's say, it goes, their specific ideas, they need people like trump who will implement the event, because they understand that they themselves are not capable of coming to the white house, what was before this stream of consciousness with on both sides, where

there is no criticality, you know, well, you are a professional journalist, you understand that no person, if he does not have an education, if he does not understand, how does journalism work, it cannot conduct a high-quality... interview, because, for example, there will be no fact-checking, that is, checking the facts to see if it is fiction, or it is a lie, or it is true, then it is conducting the interview itself, that is, the task questions, then it's manners, because of course there is, for example, hard talk, with that saker, where he asks rather uncomfortable questions to his interlocutors in order to reveal the interlocutor, and what was between trump and... er, so, to the musks, it was such, you know, a very childish, childish question and trump's praise by musk, it is definitely not journalism, it is propaganda. why does trump say that? i think the answer is that he

took to his team of pr and strategists those who were with him in the 16th year. ugh. and actually, the key, key thesis of these people, let trump be himself. actually or the judge is a stream of consciousness and he attracts, he attracts to himself those people who, well, that is, there is a demand for something similar, that's why trump offers. thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, for joining the saturday political club, oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the defense center of foreign and security policy strategies. well, ihor simivolos, director of the middle eastern studies center, is now in touch with the studio. mr. igor, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. greetings, greetings to you. and your viewers, glory to the heroes. huh, already in a few weeks the world is watching and waiting for iran's so-called response to what happened in tehran a few weeks ago, namely the elimination of hamas leaders, and these are really very

vivid events that have certain consequences. so far only iran has refrained from strikes from israel what is iran's balanced approach to the situation now? well, i think that the key, key situation that is affecting tehran's behavior right now is the negotiations that are going on to end the war in gaza, and i think that iran is giving a chance, certainly not in vain, giving a chance to these negotiations to take place. they understand very well, at least a large part of the new presidential team in tehran also understands that the attack on israel now gives netanyahu a chance to get off the hook and return to a tough

policy towards the palestinian question, so now if only the stars aligned. that the americans need this agreement, they really need it, and the iranians keep israel in a state of constant tension and... according to the same israeli experts, most likely israel will not be able to fend off iran's strikes and attacks without american help, that is, in other words , now a lot of factors have coincided, and obviously, pezeshkian, his team, maybe even alikhmenei, as the supreme leader, decided to wait, and in this sense. as i said, it is not done gratuitously, but it is done with a hint that

negotiations between iran and the united states of america may begin later on the settlement and easing of sanctions, so i think that the iranians, well, at least hint about it. if we talk about these negotiations that are taking place in qatar, then the president of the united states john'. biden warns all parties against disruption of these negotiations, what are the contacts based on now and what is each side insisting on now? well, it is not known for sure, because the israeli position is not fully understood either, since, as far as i know, there are differences in the position hamas and israel's position, and israel is now trying to... push a tougher position, instead, hamas demands that the parties base

their agreement on the previous agreements that took place at the beginning of the summer, so it turns out that this is the main intrigue, and here the americans could play a key role in forcing both sides to accept this deal after all, which neither israel nor hamas will obviously like. meanwhile , palestinian leaders are looking for support where they can afford to look for it, and so is the president palestinian mahmud abbas visited moscow, it was quite interesting to watch this meeting, at least in the context of its coverage in the russian mass media, as a crazy victory for the russian leader was presented, for example, by the telegraph agency of the soviet union. this meeting with mahmoud abbas is interesting, interesting, but let's look a little from the other side, what is the palestinian leader looking

for now in the russian federation? well, obviously he's looking for support, he's willing to go to anyone, because now it's really coming this is a very important moment for the future of the palestinian state, that is, while all the actors are warmed up, while this issue stands. on the agenda, while they are talking about it, or else we have to forge iron, while i, as they said, rebuild gorbachev, and that is, in this case, i think that the key thing for the palestinians is not to do everything so that the palestinian issue is not discussed, but after the gas agreement, on the contrary , it was postponed to a more er... wider discussion and included it in the agenda and possibly

of the future american administration and other key players, that's why they actually make these visits, trying to get the support of everyone, everyone they can attract, well, they want to attract not only russia, but also turkey, recep tayyip erdogan, china. the united states of america, if it is ready to join, that is, in fact , the palestinians largely do not care who joins in solving its issue, the more countries are ready, or are determined to solve the middle east conflict, the better for the palestinians. well, in general, or do you now see any reasonable way out of the situation into which the parties have driven themselves, in fact, just as israel, we understand, cannot

deviate from its chosen path, so palestine can hardly now insist on something else, what is the difference from what they usually declare, can the end of this war be as quick as the actual beginning, well, i would rather talk about the conflict, because basically, even if we... look at this war, the war with by hamas, yes, this is just an element of that conflict, which has been going on for more than 100 years, they are different, different. aspects, different possibilities of the parties, and it is clear that a lot will depend on which government will be in israel, so far the existing government is not ready to make any serious concessions, moreover, they are not even ready to hear about

the creation of a palestinian state, they essentially reversed the decision on here. and well, at least most of the members of the government were actively opposing the oslo agreements all the time, and it is almost impossible to expect changes, but as i said, the situation is heated and there are too many risks to leave it in the form that does not exist, and it is clear that the pressure will increase, yes, that is, as soon as possible. the situation in gas will begin to unravel, then obviously the issue will become broader, that is, that a palestinian state is created, the conditions under which it will be created, the circumstances that will contribute to its creation and the security of israel, i think that all this will be discussed, but it is unlikely will the israelis

manage to maintain the status quo and the situation where a large part of the west bank... is occupied, continues to be occupied, and regularly settles with jews in settlements that are built in violation of international law. mr. igor, very briefly, just one minute, we understand that lebanon and israel regularly exchange rocket attacks, five days ago lebanon announced 30 missiles from the side, or rather, lebanon launched 30 missiles on the territory of israel. today declares that as a result of israeli rocket fire , civilians are being killed in them, should we hope for de-escalation, at least in this direction, on in the northern direction from the side, well, i think so, i think a large percentage that in the event of signing the agreement on gaza, ending the war in gaza, there will be a de-escalation and conflict in

the north of israel, and at least, well... you can start from this, when we talk about the beginning of this escalation, yes, it started right after the start of the gas war. thank you for the meaningful analysis, ihor simovolos, the director of the middle eastern studies center , joined the saturday political club, and in a minute the one without who cannot be imagined. vitaly portnikov, wait. watch the news at 9 p.m. results of the week. the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in the kursk region of the russian federation has been going on for 12 days. the world is watching. daily work that brings victory closer. in uzhgorod, an 89-year-old woman weaves camouflage suits for the military. despite the war, the holiday season in rospal.

a record number of tourists visited odessa. about all this and much more already at 21 on espress. a journalist who joined the armed forces, a political expert who became a special agent, taras berezovyts in a new project on espresso. the real front is a thorough analysis of the main events. reports, comments of leading specialists and experts. analytics from the major of the armed forces. how to make sense of disturbing news and distinguish truth from hostile propaganda. the real front program with taras berezovets every saturday at 9:30 p.m. on... presso. the saturday political club at espresso continues. my name is khrystyna yatskiv, and i greet vitaly portnikov. greetings, khrystyna, greetings, dear viewers. several important events have occurred since we last met you, if talk about the ukrainian offensive in kurshchyna.

first, we can now confidently say that this is a ukrainian offensive. the ukrainian state recognized its military presence. in these sovereign russian territories, we do not yet understand what the ultimate military goal is, but less so, successes are practically daily in this direction. also, ukraine announced the creation of an administration in the currently managed, currently controlled territories, which means that we will be there for a certain time, and we need to deal with, in particular, the population that is there it remains, but... ukrainians are debating what to do with the chickens, whether it is possible to evacuate them to ukraine, and similar things. mr. vitaly, how do you see the situation in kurshchyna now? well, i think that we can talk about the fact that the armed forces of ukraine are trying to gain a foothold in this territory and expand the zone of their control. and it is also obvious that

russia will now try to gather troops in order to knock out ukrainian forces from this territory, there is already a lot of evidence that this is happening, but the question arises again, to what extent the russians will be able to implement this in the coming weeks and even months, because... considering these resources that the russian federation has, in order to knock out the ukrainian troops from the controlled territories, it is necessary to redeploy their own armed forces from other directions, which are now in the center of attention of the russian military command, not only the donetsk direction, we must remember with you that the troops of the russian federation are located in several directions in ukraine, this is the donetsk direction, where the most intense battles are taking place, and there... russia expects to gain control over key positions and continue to develop the offensive to occupy the entire territory of donetsk region, and this is an important

task for them, because vladimir putin has set his army to take control of the administrative borders of donetsk region and luhansk region as early as february 2022, not we will forget that the so-called special operation started from this, but apart from this direction, where we are now with great anxiety monitoring the fate of pokrovsk as a strategic point in donetsk region, there is. kharkiv direction, where they also continue quite heavy battles, where the russians, one way or another after they entered vovchansk, do not hide their desire to expand this zone of control in the kharkiv region, there is the zaporizhia direction, and we should not forget about it, and there is the kherson direction, that is, in fact in in ukraine, there are four active directions of military clashes between two enemy armies, and now they are talking about the zaporizhia, kherson and kharkiv directions, these are the directions. from where russia is trying to redeploy part of its forces to the territory kursk oblast, yes, of course, so as not to reduce our ability to maintain these territories, or to develop initiatives in these

territories, if we are talking about kharkiv oblast. of course, the ukrainian military commanders could hope that russia would first transfer troops from the donetsk region to the kursk region and thus make it easier for the ukrainian armed forces to resist the russian military offensive. according to the majority. military experts, this does not happen, but other areas are also no less important, we deal primarily with stretching the front, stretching the front is a problem for both sides, and here of course it remains beyond our understanding how many ukrainian troops are involved in the kurdish operation, and how many russian troops moscow will collect to try to knock our troops out of this zone, well, i don't want to now perform a function. military expert, but nevertheless, even people who are not very knowledgeable in military matters, understand very well that if a foreign army enters somewhere, if it strengthens itself in certain positions, creates engineering e-e fortifications,

which need to be overcome, then this army may have a smaller number of military personnel behind these fortifications than the army that will advance on foreign positions, and the delay of the russian army in the offensive, the fact that they are forced to gather troops there, and that is already... that is we may not have such a large number of military personnel there, these military personnel may expand their area of ​​responsibility, and at the same time the russians will not be able to knock them out of the positions they occupy, because these positions may be reliably fortified. and one more important one the moment that there are objects there, let's say, which do not allow russia to carry out any active bombing. i mean , first of all, the sochi gas measuring station. of course, russia is interested in ensuring that its transit obligations to european countries are fully fulfilled. and

by and large, when they say: we could stop the supply of russian gas now, i apologize, this russian gas is supplied through ukrainian territory. in order to stop the supply of russian gas and freeze europe, we absolutely do not we need to judge, we can... do it ourselves, but the paradox of the current situation is that both russia and ukraine, both countries, are interested in being conscientious, fulfilling, executors of the already reached agreement. for us, this is a question of money for transit, it is a huge amount of money, in a few months, ukraine will practically stop receiving it, because the contract between gazprom, naftogaz of ukraine will expire, i understand that both sides are not going to take it... intermediate agreements, but ukraine will get rid of these as well money, which was a certain support for our actually already destroyed

e. and this is also such an important point. as for how to act there, how to treat the population, here the answer is very simple, according to the laws of international law, because all these discussions of the ukrainian population seem quite strange to me, because the citizens of ukraine forget that ukraine is a safe protectorate of the civilized world, and the fact that the ukrainian state exists at all on the political map of the world is the result of our active support effort from states and countries of the european union, if it were not for these efforts, almost the entire territory of ukraine would now be occupied by russia, it would have been part of the russian federation for two years in a row, it just needs to be clearly understood so that no one has any impression that ukraine is capable of defending itself against russia, and by the way, there is no need to be ashamed of it, ukraine is facing the greatest nuclear power of the modern world, a country with an arsenal of nuclear weapons that can destroy people.

within hours to a country that has about 140 million people, which during the last years, the putin years, was preparing its army for active military operations on the territory of foreign countries, because the restoration of the soviet union within the borders of 1991 was and will be the main geopolitical goal of the russian state and the russian people. ukraine was not involved in any of this. ukraine for sale has been destroyed by its own armed forces for ten years. ukraine did not prepare for the danger from the east. ukraine elected pro-russian politicians who actually destroyed the entire russian and ukrainian infrastructure in the east of our country, let's remember these subversive actions, which were carried out by the former president viktor yanukovych. even after 2014, in 2019 , ukrainian voters made a decision that actually meant a certain stabilization of our military positions in the east of the country, where the russian occupiers were already, namely the withdrawal of troops,

that is, actually. the ukrainian state and the ukrainian people did everything to destroy them, and the fact that we are fighting is, i would say, such a small political and security miracle of the 21st century, but it is a miracle western support is guaranteed, and it is still a small country with a destroyed economy, frustrated, already occupied on 20% of the territory, 2.5 years, and i hope it will be another 2.5 years and another 2.5 years, does not give up destroy the great country of eurasia, which covers the territory from now not far from suja, a little further already has its control all the way to vladivostok, so the fact that we are opposed to this state by the largest state in the world in terms of territory, and the west helps us, it's great, huh, and there is nothing to be ashamed of here, but it means that

if we are in an alliance with ... states that respect international law, and not with states that do not care about international law, then we must respect international law in our defensive actions, that's how international conventions provide for the treatment of the local population , this is how we should behave, this is an absolutely real thing, if citizens of the russian federation, which is located on the sovereign territory of the russian federation, let me remind you that this is not ukrainian from the international point of view. the right territory, this is russian territory, this is not donetsk region, no luhansk, not crimea, there is a completely different legal regime for citizens of the russian federation, maybe if we liberate this territory, but if they want to leave this territory, we must ensure the possibility of movement to the territory where hostilities are not reflected. of course, in this situation, the best solution would be the opening of corridors on the territory of this country

by citizens. they are, if there is no such possibility, of course we have to open corridors for them on the territory of ukraine, then this is another issue: ukraine can provide through the territory of ukraine, that these people were able to get to the territory of the russian federation, which is not in the war zone, is a matter of russian-ukrainian agreements, by the way, i would like to remind you that such agreements were reached even between us and the russians, when its citizens were from the occupied by russia territory of ukraine, traveled there, for example. from mariuppol, from other settlements of ukraine, even the russians allowed it with disrespect for international law. the other thing is, they arranged some kind of filtering there, it was all shameful, how they behaved. we are like that we do not have to conduct, although, of course, certain work to identify possible agents of the russian special services, among the population who, say, will be crossed into ukrainian territory, should also be and will be, this is also absolutely obvious, but when it comes to women .