if there, let's say, when zelensky announced that we want to have a million drones there next year, then everyone said that this is nonsense, it's impossible, we probably already have three, and the year is only half over, yes, that is, it is developing very significantly, and if we look at the impressions of these airfields, then what happened in the belt sea, it is very difficult to say there, because there is no confirmation yet, but... this is an airfield, which, there is the 47th aviation bomb - bomber regiment, there are mainly su-34s, su-34s that carry these cabs, so to speak, were located, and there, the main problem is that the drones do not fly very fast, and they russians manage to get up in this time, but we are impressed, we are impressed by the technique of exploit exploitation. parts express

fuel, compositions of fuel and lubricant materials, etc., we impress this airfield structure and create difficulties, but there is such an interesting story about this savaslika, the name is so wonderful, yes, it is phonetically clumsy, i would say so, so in russia there is the main center of aviation hubs, it is zhukovsky, there all... research work, tests there, a crazy hub there, all the kbs were there, except for antonov, and when the plane, the engine had already reached a certain level there, when it was already adopted, it was transferred to lipetsk-2 , where the ministry of defense is already testing it, training people, and there in lipetsk-2, this airfield and, by the way, lipets 2, we were also impressed and the warehouses there were drinking very pathetically, there are four. and

aerial bombs and everything else that was accumulated there for 100 years at this airfield, and there is the fourth training center for these pilots, it it is also called something very serious there, and its branch is a savasliika, but it focuses purely on the mig-31, mig-31 bm interceptors and these mig-31k dagger carriers, and it is interesting that we have such a first.. interesting thing, there were 10 blows, they say, and if you analyze the whole attack like this, then it started at night, and there is a video, when it was there specifically at night, and then it was achieved by daylight, when the furies arrived, and so looked closely, as if there with the help of machine vision he recognized the image of the very plane that he needs it, huh. took aim and struck, and

it is very visible, very clearly visible, how he flies up, almost stops and enters pique and hits, but it is closed there, it is not very visible, but i think that there were impressions, 1, 2, 3, 4 doesn't matter, because the main thing is that it all creates big problems for pilots, for aviation, for technical personnel, for everyone else, and ee notice, it was... on the 14th , today we know what number, and we have all the air attacks that were previously connected by takeoff on the 31st and the whole country, the whole country has blocked its way, now we are waiting for the realization of the hall, unfortunately, the ballistic threat from the enemy, but the migas really do not take off, no, you understand, this is the result if we... and we will drive away these

complexes and there will be something to drive them away, it is best to drive away f-16s with jass missiles, which hit at 90 by 900 km, then there will be no such worries. mr. kostyantyn, thank you for your always meaningful thorough analysis. kostyantyn kryvolap, analyst, aviation expert, participated in the saturday political club program. until august 24, espresso is preparing a special project for svitli people in dark times, interesting stories about heroic people, interviews with.

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the united states is very careful in its rhetorical figures when talking about, its awareness of what happened, how it was prepared and so on, but... but joseph biden, the american president, answering questions from journalists the other day, said that the operation of ukraine in kursk region created a real dilemma for the president of russia, vladimir putin. how would you decipher joseph biden's understanding of the situation, and is there really a dilemma for putin, because in fact , given the peculiarities of the russian constitution for them, what is kherson, what is kursk. region is one and the same, that is, in essence, the russians have long been in a situation where ukraine occupied their territories, i take all this now in quotation marks, well, i would say i took it under control, because we are not going to, we are not russians, we do not claim russian territories, we are not

going to annex them, so it is not an invasion, it is not an occupation, i would say taking control, when such a term as creating dilemmas is used, then of course it is from international relations and from the theory of conflict, it must meaning that in front of someone there are several elections, at least two, which are not very good and must be chosen with the least losses, what mr. biden has in mind, we do not know, but we can see what dilemmas our, our control over part of the russian territory has created, the first is that that in order to protect his territory, putin needs... forces and means, and he has the option of pulling them away from the eastern direction, where, unfortunately, the russians are slowly advancing, they have certain tactical successes there, and we do not see , so that they hurried to transfer forces and means from there, something happened, but not not

to the extent that we would like, of course, that they are now trying to scratch and recruit, that is, from other regions of the russian federation. are immediately thrown into battle, in fact, there was, there was information that even conscripts are being used, that is, everything that vilni has at hand, they do and throw at us. it is very interesting, by the way, that many experts in the west and the mass media said that the russians were preparing something big, well, that is, an expansion of the invasion and some big operation, so they accumulated large reserves, we did not see these reserves, that is, it turned out - in fact , an information and psychological operation against us and against western partners, this is a military, political moment, if he does not have enough people, despite the million-strong army, then he will need to do something with mobilization, or covert, when counting

from 400 to 2 million lifters are given to these killers, is it necessary to announce a general mobilization, if general, it means on the one hand in... a blow to prestige, a blow to political support from the russian pleps, because it not the marginals are simply leaving, and from the ethnic minorities, someone will fight, and it will be necessary to take. from moscow, and it is certain that social tension will increase. then there is the question of the fact that literally, it seems, the head of the central bank of the russian federation talked about the state of the russian economy the week before last, it was quite a, you know, black picture, not as black as we would like, that they are on the verge of a disaster, but however, and one of the key... one of the key points was the lack of labor, i.e. in order to equip someone now

and send them to fight against us, then it will be necessary to take them from the factories, whether it be the defense industry factories, or the factories of the civilian industry, but this will mean an even greater burden on the russian economy, which is not in the best shape state, despite bravura statements that gdp growth there is faster than in germany or some other countries, so this... there are dilemmas, and of course the territorial one, which you said is now a formula, let's record the situation or realities on the ground, she certainly won't to be used by the russian federation, as it will mean the loss of legitimate, legal, as we also recognize, the territory of the russian federation, so they will look for some, some other forms, and of course, that there is political success in our operation, i do not know how it will end . not a component, but first and most importantly, we broke this stereotype, the false stereotype that

we, this war is at a dead end, that is, we showed that we are able to take, accumulate forces, and carry out this military operation on the territory quite professionally and beautifully of the russian federation, and in fact we did it with one hand behind our back, which is held by the same united states, because we do not have... well, let's put it this way, good for attracting all kinds of weapons, in particular from the united states, precisely in this in the kursk operation, because we are talking about sovereign russian territory, and some countries, some countries are already moving away from this so-called red line, in germany they say that from the moment german tanks arrived in... ukraine, they became actually ukrainian tanks, let them use as they want. canada gave permission to use their weapons,

weapons that are manufactured there, in the territory of the kurt region, but joseph biden and his administration are so far inclined in every way to a similar decision and a similar permission for ukraine, in particular, the delegation, the bipartisan delegation of the united states, which this week visited the ukrainian capital. so whether do you really think we are getting to a point where there will be no taboos and no reservations from the united states about the use of weapons? of course, i would like to hope, because this is a ridiculous restriction, it is, firstly, secondly, well, in fact , these two years have shown the failure of the strategy in relation to russia, to ukraine, to this administration, and there is, well, you know, it is probably because of a certain time we will find out. did the americans know or were they developing this operation together with them, i have doubts about

this, although the advisor of the president's office podalyak said that the americans were aware, to confirm his words, perhaps it can be cited that bucin and the ukrainians destroyed several bridges in the kurt region for using american missiles, if this is the case, it means whether they are aware or they were forced to ... help ukraine with the destruction of strategically important bridges on the territory of the russian federation. if the americans didn't know, it was a surprise for them, well, as a surprise, probably their intelligence understood that ukrainian forces were accumulating on the border with the russian federation, that we were planning something there, but they probably didn't know the essence of what was going to happen. and of course, they didn't have to show themselves to be out of control, that's why they, well... actually supported our actions in the kurd area, well, no matter what, this administration is already

completing its work, and it is possible that if our actions were agreed with the americans, and if we were given permission to strike the kurdish bridges, this means that more and take more control of their management, at least the strategy in relation to russia, ukraine, the team of camila harris, there is such a phil gordon, a person. who is very knowledgeable about european affairs, perhaps he wants to show before election day that kadmila garis is capable of not just continuing the same strategy, well... as i said, it 's already a failure, it's absolutely obvious, and to do something else, well, of course, there's more pressure, including due to the elections in the united states, you just showed lynsey graham , one of the leading republicans, who said, well, we need to kick the ass of the russians, that they will increase the pressure on the administration, so that there are no ridiculous restrictions, so that ukraine is provided with

more weapons, well, by the way, until today, only approximately. from the sum allocated by congress for security the aid of ukraine was used, and in fact all this ends at the end of september, in fact the permission to use this money, that is, how can we say the financial year yes, and then it will be necessary to take certain additional bureaucratic measures in order to unlock this aid, so far we have not we see that the americans are in a hurry, or rather this administration, well... the republicans usually use it as pressure on this administration and criticism, so i hope that they will change, that they will realize the mistakes that they will change their approach at least before the elections, and then, of course, with the new administration, we will look at how to form a strategy for the victory of ukraine, by the way, which was also a condition for voting for

a large aid package of 61 billion, the administration had to provide a strategy for the victory of ukraine and where were would you' the whole of the united states, in relation to ukraine and russia. mr. oleksandr, i don't know if you followed, but interesting theses were heard in donald trump's interview with elon musk. wow, yes. i really don't quite believe that i'm saying this, what we generally follow this, but yes, it happened, and one of the most interesting theses is that donald trump said that he told putin not to invade ukraine. how do you generally assess this image move of the former american president and presidential candidate again from the republican party to go to this interview and, in principle, say quite bright and extraordinary things as usual. well, first of all, there was a comment from john

boldon, who was president trump's national security adviser. he said there was no such conversation. when he was the head of the department, and it is not known to him from other sources that trump once said something like that to putin, so most likely you know it, as we have a gpt chat, this artificial intelligence that sometimes hallucinates and gives very strange answers to a person, i think that it was just, let's say, in the style of trump, he lives in this fantasy, about elon musk and his platform, this is also an interesting separate topic, because by and large this person bought twitter, an extremely popular western platform, not to make money, actually in order to contribute the advancement of the agenda, political and in particular the coming to power of donald trump or, well, it was not known before whether donald trump would withstand the pressure, maybe it was a landing party, there are

still a few of the same nikili, that is, in principle , he has a hidden one. hidden agenda, he along with peter thiel, another famous billionaire and tech leader, they are pushing their rather specific, let's say it goes, their specific ideas, they need people like trump events to implement because they understand that they themselves they are not able to come to the white house, what was this stream of consciousness from both sides, where there is no criticality, you know, well, you are a professional magazine. you understand that no person, if he does not have an education, if he does not understand how journalism works, cannot conduct a high-quality interview, because, for example, there will be no fact-checking, that is, fact-checking to see if it is fiction, if it is a lie, or if it is true , then it's conducting the interview itself, that is, asking questions, then it's manners, because of course there is,

for example, hard talk with that saker, where he asks rather not... comfortable questions to his to the interlocutors in order to reveal the interlocutor, and what was between trump and, therefore, the masks, it was such, you know, a very childish, childish question and praise of trump by musk, this is definitely not journalism, this is propaganda, why trump says so, i think the answer is that he took to his team of pr and strategists those who were... with him since the year 16, and actually the key, key thesis of these people, let trump will be by itself, actually through these eyes the stream of consciousness, and it attracts, it... attracts to itself those people who are white, that is, there is a demand for such, so trump offers. thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, for joining

the saturday political club. oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the defense strategies center on foreign and security policy issues. well, now ihor simivolos, the director of the middle eastern research center, is in touch with the studio. mr. igor, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. congratulations, congratulations to you, your viewers, glory to the heroes. huh, in a few weeks. the world is watching and waiting for iran's so-called response to what happened in tehran a few weeks ago, namely the elimination of hamas leaders, and these are actually very vivid events that have certain consequences, but only iran has so far refrained from strikes from israel, what is iran's balanced approach to the situation now? well, i think the key, key situation that is affecting tehran's behavior right now is the negotiations that are going

on to end the gas war, and i think that iran is giving a chance, of course, no, useless, giving a chance to those talks to happen , they understand perfectly well, at least a large part and... the new presidential team in tehran understand that an attack on israel now gives netanyahu a chance to get off the hook and return to a tough policy towards the palestinian issue, so now if only the stars aligned that the americans need this agreement, after all... and the iranians keep israel in a state of constant tension, and according to the estimates of the same israeli experts

, most likely israel cannot and will not be able to repel the blows of an iranian attack without american help, that is, in other words , now a lot of factors have coincided and obviously pezeshkian, his team. perhaps even ali menei, as the supreme leader, decided to wait, and in this sense, as i said, it is not being done in vain, but it is being done with the hint that negotiations between iran and the united states of america may begin later on a settlement and mitigation of sanctions. so, i think that the iranians, well, at least that's what they're waiting for, if we talk about these negotiations that are taking place in qatar, the president of the united states, joseph biden, is warning all parties

against the breakdown of these negotiations, what is the current situation are the contacts based on, and what is each party insisting on now? well , it is not known for sure, because the israeli position is not fully understood either, because... as far as i know, there are differences between the hamas position and the israeli position, and israel is now trying to push a more violent position, instead hamas demands that the parties base its agreement on the previous agreements that took place at the beginning of the summer, so it turns out that the main intrigue is around this, and here the americans can play. role, forcing both sides to accept this deal after all, which neither israel nor hamas will obviously like. well, in the meantime,

palestinian leaders are looking for support, where they can afford to look for it, and palestinian president mahmoud abbas visited moscow, it was quite interesting to watch this meeting, at least in the context of the coverage of it in the russian media. mass media, as a crazy victory for the russian leader was presented, for example, by the telegraph agency of the soviet union, this meeting with mahmud abbas, interesting, interesting, but let's look a little from the other side, what is the palestinian leader looking for now in the russian federation? well, obviously he's looking for support, he's willing to go to anyone, because this is really a very important moment. for the future of the palestinian state, that is, while all the actors are warmed up, while this issue is on the agenda, while they are talking about it, and then... we need to forge

iron while, as they said, gorbachev's reconstruction, that is, in this case, i think that for the palestinians, the key is not in favor of doing everything so that the palestinian issue is not discussed, but after the gas agreement, on the contrary, it was brought to a wider discussion and included. on the agenda of and possibly the future american administration and other key players, that is why they are actually making these visits, trying to get the support of everyone, everyone whom they can involve, well , they want to involve not only russia, but also turkey, recep tayyip erdogan, china, the united states of america, if they are ready

to join, that is... the palestinians, by and large , do not care who joins in solving their issue, the more countries are ready, or will be determined to resolve the middle east conflict, the better for the palestinians. well, in general, do you now see any conscious way out of the situation in which the parties have driven themselves, in fact, as we understand israel. cannot depart from its chosen path, so palestine can hardly now insist on anything else, that different from what they usually declare, can the end of this war be as quick as the actual beginning? well, i would rather talk about the conflict, because in principle, even if we look at this war, the war with

hamas, yes, it's just... an element of that conflict that has been going on for more than 100 years. and they are different, different aspects, different possibilities of the parties, and it is clear that a lot will depend on which government will be in israel, so far the existing government is not ready to make any serious concessions, even more so. they are not... not ready to even hear about the creation of a palestinian state, they basically canceled the decision on the tulyushen and well, at least most of the members of the government are active all the time opposed the oslo agreements, and it is almost impossible to expect changes, but as i said, the situation is heated and there are too many risks

to... leave it in the form that does not exist, and it is clear that the pressure will increase, yes, that is, how as soon as the situation in gas starts to unravel, then it will become obvious that the issue is broader, that is, that a palestinian state is created, the conditions under which it will be created, the circumstances that will contribute to its creation and the security of israel, i think that all this will be discussed, but unlikely... will the israelis be able to maintain the status quo and a situation where a large part of the west bank is occupied, continues to be occupied, and is regularly settled with jews in settlements that are built in violation of international law. mr. igor, very briefly, literally one minute, we understand that lebanon and israel regularly

exchange rocket attacks. a few days ago , lebanon announced 30 rockets from the side, or rather , lebanon launched 30 rockets on the territory of israel, today it announced that civilians were killed as a result of israeli rocket fire, should we hope for de-escalation, at least in this direction, in the northern direction from, well, i think so, i think a large percentage of what if the gaza agreement is signed, the cessation. the war in gaza, there will be a de-escalation of the conflict in the north of israel, and at least, well, that 's something to start from when we talk about the beginning of this escalation, yes, it started right after the war in gaza started. thank you for the meaningful analysis, ihor simovolos, director of the middle eastern studies center joined the saturday political club and already for

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