and etc., so it will most likely be like this, which means that if some more people leave, it will mean that at the end of the war , ukraine will turn out to be a country devastated by demographics, if we remember that even before the beginning of this war, the demographic prospects of the country were speaking catastrophically, one catastrophe after another will simply turn this country into a territory without any real demographic prospects, this does not mean that there will be no population on the territory of ukraine, there will be, it will just not be ukrainian, it will the state and... people in accordance with what migration waves will sweep through ukraine in the next decades. i certainly wish it weren't so. and i think that the people currently working in the ukrainian leadership are also thinking about how to preserve the population here. so, these are the principles of mutual interest of the parties, and these negotiations, as far as i understand, take place according to the same scheme, if they take place, according to the same scheme, according to which it is happening and taking place.

agreements on the grain agreement, ugh, language it was about the fact that both the ukrainian delegation and the russian delegation were meeting with the representatives of qatar, and not among themselves, so about the fact that such an agreement would not be long-term, there it was primarily about two months, this is again the scheme of the grain agreement, which means in principle, i am not surprised that the russians , after the ukrainian raid on the kurdistan region , suspended their participation in... in this process, this is completely in line with the political style of vladimir putin, they asked to give them time, that is, it is interesting that they did not completely thunder doors, and they asked to give, of course, they need these negotiations, but putin never, this is also a fact, makes any political moves that allowed us to believe that he makes decisions under pressure from others, this is connected with his foreign policy, this is connected connected with his domestic politics, you can prove to putin as much as you want that... this or that

person needs to be removed from office because he is incompetent, putin will do it, he can understand it and agree with your reasoning, but after a year- two, when everyone forgets about these requirements, that's how it was, by the way with the minister of defense of the russian federation , sergei shoigu, about the fact that he is incompetent, putin, i think, understood in 2022, but when people from all sides began to say that he is a handsome man, it is necessary to... move shuigu and gerasimov, the main one, absolutely, putin's predictable response was to keep shuigu in office. by the way, if you ask me whether putin will remove valery gerasiv from the post of chief of the general staff after the kurdish failure, i will tell you yes, he will remove him, and he basically said this at this meeting, which was devoted to the events in kursk oblast, that we will certainly deal with personnel issues, and now the main thing is not that. which means that the resignation of the chief

of the general staff can take place no earlier than six or 10 months after the event, so that no one believes that putin removed him from his post under pressure. now, if these defeats, they really happened, for the parties to return to the conversation, it will take about a month, one and a half or two, taking into account how the events will develop on the kurdish front, or, if ... putin will consider that he reached some significant successes on the donetsk front, he will also be absolutely in a position to start the negotiation process again, and then we basically understand how events on the russian-ukrainian front can develop, in principle, the parties first, the first, i would say, decision, can to reach agreements on non-firing of the uncontrolled ugh, russia

will stop shelling the territory of ukraine, and ukraine will stop shelling the territory of russia, while the hostilities on the territory of ukraine and russia will continue. what is it for? ukraine will try to enter the russian territory in such a way as to show russia what it has. to realize that its further territorial grabs may run into the same actions of ukraine, and russia will try to annex as much ukrainian territory as possible and at the same time destabilize the situation in ukraine itself, because as you understand, if you imagine that the day has come, relatively speaking , september 1, there will be no more aerial alarms, drones. the infrastructure is being restored,

civilian life is being restored, normal, yes, there are no power outages, well, at least there mass planes can even start flying, well, if you don't have a missile threat, if no one is firing at you, why can't you open, as we dreamed about it a few months ago, an airport there in kyiv or in lviv? we can, our airspace, according to these agreements can be recognized as safe to some parallelium, the war continues, the mobilization continues. the funeral of people continues daily, and people in peaceful territory generally live outside the war, that is , the gulf between the war and the population is deepening, one moment, second moment, elections, why can't

elections be held then, this will also be a question that will be thrown into ukrainian society, we live peacefully, we... can hold elections in a peaceful territory, we just need to ensure the conditions for voting in the military, well, there will be many such conversations, russia will actively contribute to this, so the next moment, after all this, when there will be an understanding that both governments, because russia will also have problems if we control its territories, will not take this a threat that both of them are threatened by internal destabilization and some sort of reset of the situation is needed, the following decision will be made, just like that in qatar, the decision to cease fire on the front line, on the front line, not

only are these territories peaceful, yes, but between the troops, this there will be a next stage, i don't know when. ugh, i'm just telling the scheme, after an agreement is reached on the cessation of fire on the front line, i don't know where this contact line will pass then, it is strange, it can pass through the territory of russia, and not only territory of ukraine. we cannot know this now . then there will really be elections in ukraine, presidential and parliamentary, and after that... depending on the results of these elections and how our western allies will treat the situation, whether they will be ready to provide us with any security guarantees after this ceasefire or not, and by the way, what the new ukrainian leadership will want, we

do not know at all what it will be, it may be the ukrainian version of the georgian dream, it may be a party that will blame the previous leadership in the fact that it did not prepare for... and provoked the way the georgian dream now blames saakashvili, not the russians, for the outbreak of the war, that he was the provocateur, well, in my opinion, we have a similar leadership right now, well, the management, which the previous management stated so, but it is somehow in favor, but it somehow does not talk about it much now, but i can fall into my own trap, and further development depends on how this situation will look. events have washed away, that is, what will happen next, or will it end is this a kind of peace or will it turn into a new war, after a certain time, i cannot tell you, because it will, you know, i am not the ukrainian people, the ukrainian

people very often draw such paradoxical conclusions from the political situation that i not even ready to comment on them, you and i have looked so far ahead now, at least we tried. maybe not so far, because this story with the talks in qatar, if they happen at all, really, could be a pilot project of this, after all , the pilot project in this case was the grain agreement, of course, absolutely, absolutely, the pilot project was the grain agreement. mr. vitaly, everything you just said sounds and is considered very logical. what cannot be said about what the candidate says periodically. in the american president from the republican party , donald trump, and i don't know if you followed his interview with elon musk, that's what it was about, there were several interesting theses about ukraine, in particular, and allegedly trump told putin not to invade ukraine ,

somehow yes, but is it amenable to your analysis that what did you hear, it turns out, i believe there are two donald trumps. one donald trump is the trump of political technologists, this is a person who carefully studies the instructions that are written for him in order to win the elections. and we saw this trump, let's say, in the sweet, it seems, when he said that he would be the president of all americans, to win with the help of half the population, it is not a victory. and we saw this kind of trump in his phone conversation with volodymyr zelensky, when he expressed support for ukraine, because he was obviously told that this is what he behaves in relation to ukraine, it is arrogant, and what is better for him, it is better, you talk to the ukrainian... why does the ukrainian president want him to express his support after the assassination attempt and to say that all

these conversations about the fact that he is ready to surrender ukraine is fake news, what did trump do, but there is a living, real donald trump, who has nothing to do with donald trump, political technologists, he is a living person, and by the way, we know that at the last meeting with donors, big donors when they told him, "donald, you're just going to lose." election then when you show the real you please follow the company's instructions don't show how crazy you are he told them i am who i am he is very hard and very tight in some, you know, bars he wants to be like that , as he is, he gets drunk, like many populist politicians, from the crowd, from the reaction, from the roar, from the shouts, it creates a narcotic effect for him when... he, a person who had to several times to declare bankruptcy, and about the real

fortune that no one knows, who always tried to pretend that she is a billionaire and it is not known whether she was this billionaire once in her life, she is talking to a real billionaire, also, of course, to some extent an effervescent, but a person with the reputation of the richest one of the richest people in the world, ilan maskiv, this also brings him into a state of exaltation, which of course lets him then say what he...thinks really, so he thinks certain things really, once, then he's very bad for his information, but everybody says it's age, and i don't think it's any age, because i'm not an ageist at all, i think there's just a lack of interest in certain ones topics, and it was always obvious in donald trump, he is not interested in many things, he is not interested in politics, a real science, relatively speaking, or some content, he says what he hears, he is enough in this respect simple people, he watches tv, hears something there, falls asleep, again, this is absolutely normal

for such an overloaded problem of a person, sits, a person, well, really not very young, near the tv, hears something there, does not hear something there, fell asleep, woke up , heard something again then he tells it to elon musk, that's all, of course, donald trump is a person who sincerely admires the power of power, this is... his religion, and of course, in this situation, in this pantheon, he sees vladimir putin as one of his greatest idols, because vladimir putin really has unlimited power in his country, in a great country, great power, a man who can, as i said, press the red button and there will be no united states of america, has such power , which may not even consult with anyone about it, well this guilt is admired by trump, as i see, he admires it, not putin. by putin, a non-kimchenin? it would be surprising if a man of trump's stature and

trump's charisma were fascinated by death. can you imagine putting some congressmen in power, loading a cannon and shooting at them, at the leaders of the majority there, in the senate of the house of representatives. trump simply cannot dream of it, but he admires it, and by the way, history has shown how trump can be so enthusiastic. with the storming of the capitol, he really thought it was norms because he likes brute power and he thinks he's strong and if you want to analyze this stream of consciousness that we're hearing from this man, yes, he thinks the strong have the right to command the weak, remember , as he in the first month of his presidency, absolutely, i would say, vulgarly pushed away the president of croatia at that time. from other participants of some conference he was at, i don't remember if it

was a nato summit or something, to take a picture in the foreground, he behaved perfectly, i b said, with great disrespect for people, but he is sure that if he is the president of the united states, he can push, he can beat, he can behave like that, and that is why he looks at putin like that, putin is the president of a strong country that attacked a weak one state, and this weak state would have long ago... with its demands, and it is showing off something there, well , of course, the united states is also a strong state, they can help it, but the question arises for what, for what to help people who with such persistence they cannot understand what it is they. are at war with a strong state, this is trump's entire logic, it is simple and transparent, but again there is another trump, to whom political technologists will say, you should say again that you will be together with ukraine, make youraine great again, and he will say it, like a parrot from the new york zoo, but we must

remember that if donald trump, god forbid , wins the... presidential election in the united states, it is possible, until now, the country will be ruled by non-trump political technologists, he will then send all these technologists, will give them money, write them checks, this is also not guaranteed, and will say, go to these three letters, which you can read in every closet, which is taken care of by my beloved vladimir putin. so , please, go to russia, read the books and go to them. and i will lead. as i want, because you are now no one and nothing will hold me back in the decisions that i will make, here is the whole trump. another interesting event happened this week, several german media, it seems it was on august 14, reported that in early june , the german prosecutor general's office issued an arrest warrant a whole ukrainian in the case of undermining

the nord stream thread, and this is allegedly a ukrainian diving instructor volodymyr and... meanwhile, the german spiegel reports that a ukrainian, whom germany was going to arrest in poland for participating in the undermining of the gas pipeline, has left polish territory, and what if lead to the fact that poland helped a ukrainian to escape from responsibility, as i read it, maybe mr. vitaliy is telling me now, but then he publishes quite an interesting article literally the next day from the wall street journal and reports that until the detonation ukrainian top officials are involved in the gas leak in the baltic sea, it was... an operation approved by zaluzhny, an operation approved by zelenskyi, and chervinskyi may also be involved there. in a word, mr. vitaly, how do you see the current development of events? we don't know whether the german prosecutor's office has enough grounds to issue a warrant for the arrest of a ukrainian, but i would like to believe that they have some arguments that are more or less convincing. ,

well, we haven't seen these arguments, we only see what the medes write, and if a person... this does not mean that this person committed this crime. two. the third. by the way, i agree with the prime minister of poland, donald tuska. ugh. who said that those who advocated the construction of the northern streams should shut up and apologize. i think, first apologize, then shut up. but i absolutely agree with this, because if you remember, i was one of those journalists who constantly reminded that as soon as the construction of the northern streams is finished, a big war will begin. in europe, i went through years of being laughed at for being this spoke, and they laughed in ukraine, laughed so that they were most unpleasant in germany, my colleagues, some of them openly worked for moscow, like the favorite of ukrainian tv channels, oleksandr rar, some were just such useful idiots, and professional

journalists, experts, but you know, when i was laughed at in ukraine, i could not agree with that, because i knew that ukrainian society is absolutely infantile, absolutely unable to understand russia's intentions at all, i saw it in all the votes in ukraine, in by the majority, i mean the votes that did not take place after the uprisings, because ukrainians, as a rule, came as children only after the uprisings and never in peacetime, but the fact that the germans made fun of me has always been and remains a huge thing for me, i would say . a mental problem, because i thought that they were practical people, that they were aware of something in politics, but they turned out to be stupid, just me for the rest of my life, we mentioned donald trump, i remembered for the rest of my life how donald trump, being the president of the united states, is not some there is a journalist, a tailor, that's the entire american president standing on the podium, i

don't remember which conference he's talking about, if you complete the nord stream, if you start all this, you will be in full energy. depending on russia, what are you doing, and the german delegation is sitting, pointing fingers at him and laughing, remember, there was, there were such shots, ugh, they just laughed at his words, and i looked at it and thought, well, yes, well, this that's all, it's interesting, by the way, where are all these people, they were leading ministers in angela merkel's cabinet, but in the end no one wrong, neither trump, nor me, germany. painfully got rid of energy dependence on russia, and immediately after the completion of the northern stream, two, russia wasted no time in starting a war with us. the great war in europe has begun, so donald tusk is right. this whole detective story about zelenskyi preparing explosions,

the cia found out about it. zelenskyy said to cancel the operation, and zaluzhny did not cancel it, it looks beautiful only for the readers of the wall street journal, because you and i know very well that the authorities in it doesn't work in ukraine, you understand that, right? ugh. when the commander-in-chief gives the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine an order not to carry out certain actions, and he does, these are actions with legal consequences, do you understand that? ugh, and if these legal consequences do not occur for the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, they occur for the people who perform these and other actions, so it is still necessary to analyze all this, to prove, to understand what actually happened there. to understand why germany did not include this person whom it wanted to arrest on the list of persons, whom she is looking for, but they just sent some kind of

request to the polish prosecutor's office, it's all strange, you know, everyone's actions are strange, so let's see whose ears will stick out later, well , there are many considerations and different views on this matter from different ukrainians. it's just a diving instructor, a few more people, almost not tourists, on some tourist yacht swam up and destroyed the strategic object. ugh. well, well, it's also strange. if it was a ukrainian instructor, why are we surprised? well, good. so be it. in a word, yes, mr. vitaly, we know now we know which dive instructor we need, right? yes. i always wanted to swim to the underwater museum under the island. orphans, it seems you have every chance, a few lessons, a few lessons, and there are statues under the water, but you have to dive very deep to see those statues, i always

wondered who would teach me so that i don't drown there with these statues, because i became a new statue, but now i know who can do it, well, well, in the future, we will follow the development of events and maybe some things will seem real to us will be funny in the near future, mr. vitaly, going back, after all , going back to... videos recorded by the ukrainian military, from kurshchyna, with local residents, and if we listen to these videos, we understand that these people speak a language that is extremely close to the ukrainian language, of course, it has other inclusions. it cannot be called purely russian or ukrainian, but less so, these people are everything they do not consider that their language is ukrainian, they avoid this definition in any way they like,

call it their own chatter, their dialect, speech, and so on, why, why do they not admit to themselves, at least, that they have that , what russian propaganda scared them so much, because... they believe that to speak such a language is to recognize yourself as a second-class person. i don't understand why you don't get it. this is the process that took place on the streets of all major ukrainian cities, except for lviv, kyiv, kharkiv, odesa and dnipro, during ten years, people came from the kyiv region, from odesa, from kharkiv, from dnipropetrovsk, to the big cities of millionaires and not only for them, and the first thing they... did was try to unlearn the ukrainian language, that you don't remember that, what ? i remember it well, people tried, i just lived in crimea and i am one of those who tried to somehow

support this ukrainian language, at least at the level of my own family, that is, i have a reverse story, but this is separate, well, but you saw that people on the streets of simferopol when they heard ukrainian language, they looked at you like a target, they didn't look, they were afraid, it was interesting, well, i was beaten, well, well, it was already... you thought that she was a bander and now i'm there, something is bad for them will do, and it was an open invitation, we are intelligent people here, i remember it well in soviet kiev, i no longer talk about kharkiv, even post-soviet, i no longer talk about donetsk, even post-soviet, about dnipro, i studied in in dnipro, as you know, at the university, the only... places where ukrainian was spoken the language was the departments of ukrainian language and literature at the university and the local branch of the writers' union and that's all, well, that

's all, because how can you speak in such conditions. you will not show from some crowded village, and people who are from a crowded village, they usually want to speak culturally, and not consider themselves to be any kahls, and already, you heard what one of the residents from those who lived in suja said, when we were going somewhere and started talking in this language, oh kakhli arrived, well, the village, well, clearly, kakhli from the village, you see, this is such an insult and contempt, which is cultivated in russia, and was previously cultivated in the soviet union, has died out. you churks, you are someone else, i will not repeat all the words that i have heard about myself throughout my life, but i remember all this well, through political, i would say approbation, during my life i managed to go

from being a jew to hochly well, that is, people love me , that is, at other times, because people who found out that i am a ukrainian journalist, they forgot about my nationality, that i can be humiliated by my national origin and humiliated by my citizenship, and this is absolutely normal behavior for most residents of russia, and they, i would say, assert themselves, people without rights always assert themselves. undermining the rest, these people are ethnic ukrainians, it is true, they live in the border areas, this is how this border was drawn, this border between the russian, soviet federated socialist republic and the ukrainian soviet socialist republic in the 20s of the 20th century, specially, specially carried out, and so that there are no ukrainians, i know,

a feeling of some kind of exclusivity, here you live in ukraine, you speak the ukrainian language there for your purposes, but you cross the russian-ukrainian border and there again the ukrainian language, but no one says that you understand that this is ukraine, that was the idea, but i think , that you can see an important thing that is not enough when you speak a language and have no identity, language is an important marker of identity for others, but for... me, it may not be an eyemarker, if there is no identification with the state, if there is no understanding of what your story is your heritage, if you perceive yourself as a speaker of a certain dialect, or do you want to convince yourself that it is a dialect, as in the kuban it was always the case, people spoke a pure ukrainian language, well, not even the same as in kursk, just a literary ukrainian language, but sometime after the war years...

they invented that it was chatter, invented that they did not know the ukrainian language, i remember how i was in krasnodar in the 90s, doing an interview with the chief of the kuban cossack army gromov, the famous a russian chauvinist, i did an interview with him, and i decided that i, please we have a little time left before the break, but i 'd rather hear the end of this story, i decided that... he should give me an interview in russian and ukrainian, i wanted to write it for the ukrainian service of radio liberty. he does not say: i do not know a single word of the ukrainian language. do you want me to talk with you in our chat? well, come on, i think, well, let me write it down in chatter, i'm just going to have some kind of ethnographic experiment, and here otaman groman, in pure literary ukrainian , as we speak now, gave me an interview for half an hour, i tell him, you

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