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is in the account, but you need 3.5 million. you know what to do, pick up your phone and scan the qr code when it appears on the screen and donate as much as you can on sunday, you can double the donation, if of course you can afford such a minus from the family budget, and we understand that all this will facilitate the work of our defenders at the front, and less losses, less of our losses, less of our defenders are forced to be . then recover, be treated, and there will be fewer dead. now we are adding to the conversation the head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for public intelligence, ihor reiterovych, in connection with our studio. mr. igor, good morning, glory to ukraine. to the heroes glory, congratulations mr. igor, the most interesting publication in the western press yesterday is about double treason. well, because, first of all, there is a betrayal of the fact that, no matter what is done

on the fronts, it is necessary to prepare to apply some powerful peace formula and prepare powerfully for a powerful autumn summit, and then we are told that some negotiations are already underway, they are under the rug, this is wall street, not the wall street journals, the washington post published yesterday that the rapid operation taking place in kurshchyna broke and completely destroyed the opportunity. conducting under-the-carpet events peace talks here is what we read yesterday. scandalous? well, it's scandalous, sensational, but it seems to me that a lot of things are simply sucked out of the finger. sorry for such a comparison. look, the fact that there are some, as it is fashionable to say, in the president's office, the second, third, fifth, tenth tracks, holding, yes, there are some negotiations with russia, well, this is a fact that we know about in principle, and by the way, even for this article , this fact was not rejected in the president's office, it's just there... it's about the fact that

there are no negotiations directly with russia, but through intermediaries, there qatar and so on, yes, they are happening, the more so the conference on energy security was really being prepared, and maybe some issues should have been raised there, the problem lies somewhere in this, by the way, i agree with some of our former diplomats, who correctly they wrote so that such stupid questions would not arise later, including to the authorities, and that there was really little room for such a thing, and that there really are some secret negotiations going on somewhere in the direct line, well, it is necessary... probably more actively to simply inform ukrainian society and say, what are we thinking about such an option, about such an option, and then there won't be, there won't simply be questions about what is happening at all, but on the other hand, you know, this article, it once again showed that with the so-called journalistic standards , in some western media, well, it’s a very big problem, when completely serious material is based on some anonymous sources from russian academic circles, well, here, in general , the joke is russian academic circles, because i’m not very familiar there... i understand who it can be about to go

speech, they either all caught up or stupidly work for the fsb, and some complete material is based on this and some conclusions are drawn, well, it looks a little strange, but the story in general with the operation in the kurt region. it is being pulled by the ear here and it seems to me that it may have been - and it was the key task of this article itself, because although it is not directly mentioned, it indirectly looks like it was not ukraine that disrupted these negotiations, although anyone will say that if there are any negotiations about something, they are not affected by the current one situation, for example, we actually paid attention to it, and during these weeks and a half we also monitor all these western publications and... can be divided into two big cups, in one they try to understand and understand what is happening, as they say, on the territory of kurshchyna, and in this case even italian journalists join the ukrainian ones to go, see, tell, show, and that's normal, and oksana and i have already

collected a whole stack, it's actually about this ay-yay-yay, yes it was not possible, it is a danger, it is of itself, it's a ticking time bomb, you've noticed a lot of these posts too and they always... also refer to some anonymous sources and they're pretty respectable publications so why are they all of a sudden broken i mean their standards listen they not only did they break down in kursk, they actually broke down earlier, when they started to cover the russian-ukrainian war from the 22nd year and at the same time provided a word for the russian side, well, this is absurd, you see, the journalistic standard cannot work in that sense , which is... the country is an outright aggressor a country that is fighting back against this aggression, how can you put scales on some of them, and here they are, at first they generally made official reports, then they began to turn more to anonymous sources, and kurshchyna broke them to some extent in the sense that probably they really couldn't imagine

that such a move is possible, which would put russia in such a position, and since they don't know how it will end, and we don't know to a certain extent how it will end, and that's actually good. because the enemy russia must to be in a state of strategic uncertainty, they are beginning to spawn various conspiracy theories, but the thesis about some kind of escalation and that it forced the russians to abandon some negotiations is ridiculous, and we should all give one very simple argument to this: and you look at what russia is doing in the donetsk region, yes, what it is doing there in some other places on the front line, what it is doing there with strikes on civilian infrastructure in ukraine, so look for and hang on ukraine some responsibility for the fact that there, well, these negotiations could potentially be disrupted in the future, well, definitely not worth it, this is not the story, not about the betrayal, and they are not looking for it there, but unfortunately, they will continue to do it, because they need to attract attention, they need

to be shown some kind of materials that will, well, cause discussion, materials with a certain scandal, so i'm afraid that we will see a lot more of this, first of all, in the context of the kurva region. italian journalists from russia, but i think they are from they should be proud of this in general and react to it completely calmly, but then at least they learned about the real situation, and maybe they could communicate with our authorities and hear from our authorities, and what kind of story is this, how will it end and why we are doing it, mr. igor, in confirmation of your words, you just...we analyzed, except for the middle eastern butcher, that's what they call bashar assad, except for syria, no other country was convicted of conducting a kurdish operation in the russian federation. and since we are already talking about kurdish,

no matter what it should look like, we understand that all ukrainian defenders, all military personnel who fight regardless of which part of the front, should have the same status, because everyone has a task and a goal. one, but now those who are in kurshchyna, do they really have the same rights, the same status as those who are in kharkiv oblast, donetsk oblast or further south, what do we have with the settlement of this issue, because we understand that at the moment there is , unfortunately, both injured and unfortunately there are dead, and when we pass certain laws or sign documents now, and the operation has been going on for... two weeks now, so what about that time period with the people who fought there for that period of time? well, as far as i understand, and this will be additionally agreed at the level of legislation, they have exactly the same status as everyone else, because this is an operation of the armed forces of ukraine, which takes place in strict accordance with

the charter of the united nations organization, to things, the 51st article, which deals with self-defense, including on the territory of the country that carries out aggression, and therefore there are questions about who performs which tasks, which has a status, there is no word at all. by the way, this initiative, as i understand it, is connected with the initiative of the president, yes, who said that it is necessary to gather there in the verkhovna rada, to agree certain issues there, it mostly concerns two things. in general , the definition of the operation on the territory of the russian federation itself, here is the story with that roman statute and many other things, this is, well, this should be settled just in case, why, because russia can take advantage of the situation, submit, well, i understand that this is like an anecdote it sounds, but it's not less, to file in some international courts there and demand the prosecution of our military personnel who are in that territory, and this must be removed, at least at the level, if we have any lacunae in the legislation there, they must be removed very, very urgently and i hope that the verkhovna rada will meet quickly and, in principle, make all these necessary decisions, and

plus, it seems to me, there should even be a separate, separate additional incentive of some kind, including the encouragement of our military, who are conducting this operation carries out because it is very complicated, it is carried out in the territory of the enemy, and it is clear that all the points related to security and so on must be regulated, and the third factor is probably the participation of those people, we have them not so many, but there are those who are foreign volunteers who serve in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, and sometimes they are even united there, well, formations, well, like, for example, the same russians, yes, who are against the putin regime and in general, russia is at war, and that is also about them the issue must be legally resolved so that they cannot be brought to justice in some international courts on the part of the russian federation itself, that is , this is an unlikely story, but we must... here, as they say, play it safe and make these decisions just in case , so i think that they will be resolved during the week, and

there will be no questions about this at all. and one more catch-up question: a military command has been created in kurshchyna, but there is such a very delicate border, where is it? with on the one hand, everything must be done according to what the un says, with international law, yes, with, because we are not like them, and we do not behave the way the russians behaved in buchy, on one side, and on the other side. .. many people are outraged by the fact that now the ukrainian military there in kurshchyna are helping the local population there with water, food, various things, at a time when there is enough in us and in ukraine, in particular the idps who need this help, like this border to find that everything is and is correct from the point of view of the ethnic group legislation and is fair to ukrainians. you know, regarding decency, regarding ukrainians, i will say right away that it is necessary to forbid

our specialized vice prime minister from commenting on this issue and dealing with this issue at all, because ms. vereshchuk made a lot of statements there, and she should not think about it, there the armed forces of ukraine will cope, especially since if the commandant's office is created, they have all the necessary powers to carry out in accordance with international legislation, there are certain actions, or volunteers will help, we have already seen that ukrainian volunteers went there and said that if any help is needed there, we will organize corridors and so on. and ms. vereshchuk, it is necessary to deal with the issues of truly internally displaced people in ukraine, because i perfectly understand the indignation of the citizens, why they react to it in such a way, because, well, now in a larger language it is about what is happening on the territory of kurshchyna, which does not remove a huge number problems that have existed in us since the 22nd year, and which, despite the existence of a separate ministry, are absolutely not solved, and then there will be no questions from the ukrainian side, because they are primarily offended by it. what are you there now, the authorities are actively commenting on it, and we need to comment on some other things, and regarding

the existence of the commandant's office, this is a very correct step, because since ukraine exercises control, control of these territories, there is a certain responsibility for the local population that is there lives, including relies on ukraine, it is not super big there, it does not mean that we should somehow communicate with them very strongly, but for the organization of a more or less normal life, of course, there should be some structures. to exist, here they are created, by the way, note that again, no country, not that they have condemned it, well, maybe, except for syria, yes, on the contrary, they support it, they say that it is a manifestation of civilized rules of conduct war, when you control some territory, then you should establish some minimal communication with local residents, well, plus for us it is very important from an informational, humanitarian point of view, well, we are not really russians, we do all this in a different way, and this is very clearly visible, by the way, from the footage of local residents who... comment on what is happening, how they communicate with the armed forces of ukraine, they all constantly emphasize that they

do not have any problems, and vice versa ukrainians help them, and in principle this should be done in the future. well, you mentioned mrs. vereshchuk, so i can’t help but guess that there was another initiative to increase responsibility in ukraine for ukrainians who refuse to evacuate, so there are more issues to be discussed here, well it was such an attempt to write a law or something else, i want, mr. igor, to return to another moment. because here conventions are conventions, but when they give in russian, i don't know, i am sure that it was not some spontaneous operation. we have already seen their atrocities more than once, i am talking about how they put the head of the dead ukrainian defender on a stake, on a stake, this russian dissension, they scattered it as much as possible, that is , there may have been an initiative from below, but the way it was highlighted and federal channels, and telegram channels, and their so-called the public, it is clear that it was a special

such operation to stop the massed, wanted to say the young man was rolled. this refers to the mass surrender of entire units, yes to capture, i understand their goal, but the methods by which they did it are as criminal as possible, we see that lubinets, as an authorized representative, has already turned to the un with this very case, and here there was also such a rubric, in response to this there may be an emotional response from the military, who will simply refuse to take prisoners, well, at least in this particular case the 155th airborne, what are they talking about first? actually wrote emotionally in their posts, but look, i don’t even know, firstly, how to comment on it there, yes, and secondly, i have no questions and no, i don’t know, remarks to our military in this situation it can’t just be , listen, it’s a war, well, they didn’t take prisoners, because they didn’t

surrender, if the enemy doesn’t surrender, they destroy him, we understand what the russians’ goal was, why did they... do it and it's true, you rightly point out, it's not nominal even an initiative, it was definitely agreed with the central leadership, but they got an absolutely opposite effect, an absolutely opposite effect, at the same time, there are no reports, and i am sure there will be no reports, where they could accuse the ukrainian soldiers of any military crimes, the fact that someone is not taken prisoner there, i say once again, this is a war, this is a different story, not the way the russians do it, for example, so they wanted to achieve the same effect. but in fact they achieved a different effect, and you know, i would i also showed the video to all those captured russians who are sitting there now, they say under 2,000, and western publications make articles and materials with them there, communicate and so on, i showed them this video so that they would actually understand on whose side they are fighting or who fought together with them before, and that such

actions, such actions, including those aimed at somehow changing our attitude towards these prisoners. and we started doing some terrible things with them there, showing it to them and then filming their reaction on camera and to ask how they feel about this in general, because it probably won’t be possible to change this situation in any other way, and the russians will continue to do such things, and there was already a historical precedent when hitler’s supporters were simply shown all their atrocities in the form of chronicles to the constabulary so that they would realize what inhuman atrocities they were guilty of. it was this precedent and it had its effect. mr. igor, thank you for joining espresso viewers this morning . moving on in our air, and another case that was very important this week, about the northern streams, who blew up and what is wrong with

the arrests of those who are now accused of blowing up. mykhailo gonchar is an expert in contact with us. of international energy and security relations and president of the center for global studies strategy 21. mr. mykhailo, glory to ukraine. a hero of glory. mr. mykhailo, this is the second series, they have returned to theirs again. the wall street journal would be fueling the fire in this, even a95 was fueling the fire. and specific surnames, and what was involved in this, or was poland inactive, because they seemed to go from their territory to the north sea, and... all this was controlled by zaluzhny with the approval of zelensky, this is the scheme of undermining nor2, the germans, who calmly surrender the killer, lyubimov's killer in putin's office, they suddenly began to decide that we are investigating, the prosecutor's office became more active, what was it? the script is so cheap that hollywood will definitely not take it, you are right, and it is all sewn up with

white threads, in principle, the calculation is made precisely on... this is the psychological effect of high names, technically this version was destroyed long enough ago, because this is another submission, it is not even the second submission, the first one appeared at the end of the 22nd year in december, where this ukrainian track was first heard, and there with reference to 23 diplomats and intelligence officers from the several countries, but none of them wanted... to testify openly, anonymous sources, so we see that anonymous sources continue, so to speak, to give some testimony, in particular even four participants, ah, yes. .. the so-called operation, well, but it has an effect to do the very naming of loud surnames, and of course, all this, as it were, does not stick

to each other, so here the question is why again, and who is it beneficial to, if you look in principle retrospectively at the appearance of this version or exploitation of this version, it appears somewhere... about once every six months, either european or american publications publish something on this topic, but again, everything looks sufficiently disguised in this way, in this context it should be noted to the reaction of the polish prime minister, in response to accusations that poland was involved, they say, so it's also an interesting point here that ukraine also did the detonation, but poland also helped, and former... the head of the bundesnacht tendendtsv of german intelligence there at the time of gerhard schöder spied on poland in support, well, he got it from kosh. but why is this happening

now? pay attention to an interesting thing yesterday's publication of the washington post, which is devoted to a different topic, namely the topic of negotiations that were supposed to take place in qatar, with the mediation of qatar between the russian and ukrainian delegations. and which would have settle the issue of mutual refusal of strikes on critical energy infrastructure, that's how it sounded, and in this regard, the newspaper notes that it could be part of efforts to achieve at least a partial ceasefire there, and they say, after disarming... the forces of ukraine entered the territory of russia, in the kursk region, well, these negotiations, they say, broke down. indeed, the fact of such negotiations, or their initiation,

was reported earlier, some time ago, a few weeks ago. and in this regard, of course, a question arises, like these, and here suddenly there is another series of, ah, this soap opera with... ukrainian authorship of the north stream-2 blasts. and one way or another, all this is published in front of everyone, as it was the first time, and now, through the american edition. given the fact that qatar often plays a mediating mission, but it is far from always its initiative. in this case, for example, i came to the conclusion that this is essentially an american initiative. and the qataris asked. just speak with her, as they allegedly suggested, and qatar will win back already a certain mediating role, there we remember what concerns the release

of prisoners, in the children's direction the same and so on, so he already has a certain positive reputation for the parties of the war veterans, and in this case it is about , that if somehow... this problem of the parties' refusal to strike critical infrastructure should have been resolved, but in connection with the fact that they say ukraine entered the territory of russia, well, the russian side refused all this, and the american side side, if it remains in position stimulation of both sides, each in its own way, there are different negotiations with the russians there, so to speak, in different ways... behind the scenes, they are trying to put pressure on us in a different way, including this way, speculating on

the ukrainian authorship of the north undermining the northern flows, it reminds me of the technology that was used in 2002, when they were looking for ukrainian chain mail in iraq, but they never found it, by the way, but ukraine was seriously accused at that time of the fact that... it was kyiv that provided saddam hussein's regime with these stations passive radio technical intelligence and thus if endangering the lives of american pilots during the upcoming operation planned for the invasion of the viral. these are the ways to discredit ukraine, we understand that even if the accusation is false, if they immediately deny it and restore a good name to a person or a country, but if it has already... sounded, then a stain remains on the person or the country. as far as in this case, in the case of those northern currents, we and the world

have communicated well. this story to the maximum level this negative impact? well, there were refutations almost immediately, when the first publications appeared, but here the situation is like this, you can refute as many times as you like, from any level, it was refuted there from various levels, including the president of ukraine, but oh well so to speak, the situation looks like this, that , say, well, of course, the ukrainian... will not confirm this, even if she did it, therefore, if, special, trust in this, let's say, in the fact of refutation in any which case will not happen, as it was actually speaking of chain mail, and then during the mail chain gate, and everything became clear only when no chain mail was found after the iraqi army was defeated, there

were nowhere near them, but here. and then quite simply, when they asked the american side why you did it, when you didn’t find anything, they answered that they said, but you wanted to do it, you said you wanted to provide, make a commercial device, put these rings but it didn't work out for you, well, somewhere here, there may be, sometime there, with a certain time, the same story, as they say, but we knew you wanted to blow it up. and you had motives, because you really need to hit the enemy wherever possible, but they say you gave up there at a certain time, especially under our pressure there and so on, so here again it is about , that this dispersal campaign, if it aims to incline ukraine to that model

of behavior and... which is beneficial to supporters somewhere on the banks of the potomac of the so-called peaceful settlement, not understanding that in reality all this will actually lead to strengthening the positions of the aggressor, whose ability to negotiate is not trusted, and there are a number of issues that would be difficult to resolve by contractual means, well, for example, i mean this in... the text of possible negotiations in qatar, here is literally one example, well, hypothetically, the parties agree not to strike at each other's energy infrastructure, but in the course of hostilities we hit what is in the occupied territory, the same oil depots or substations there and so on, in our occupied territory, but russia considers our occupied territory its own

new ones and its territory, that is , it will be very easy to accuse the ukrainian side of violating the agreements reached and to start or continue a campaign of strikes, say against the violator, we know how manipulatively russia uses all this, mr. mykhay, i agree, in fact, that this threat exists in us , unfortunately, we are running out of time, please summarize 30 seconds, we only have, well, a simple summary, it is that ... the exploitation of another series of accusations of ukraine in the undermining of nord stream 2 is intended to incline ukraine to a position of capitulation. unfortunately, this is done not only by our enemy, but also by our friends, who do not understand that the main bet that must be made is the bet on the victory of ukraine and on taming the aggressor. thank you, mr. mykhailo, mykhailo gonchar was with us, an expert on international energy and

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