september is all good, welcome to espresso, this is the saturday political club, my name is khrystyna yatskiv and i thank everyone who joins us this saturday evening, definitely on your screens with brilliant, as always, analytics from... vitaly portnikov chokes , it will be in the second part of our program, the entire first hour, a little less, we will devote to conversations with the most qualified experts, we will talk about the situation on the fronts, about affairs in international politics, and we will not forget about the middle east either, but i will probably start with the main ones information reasons this week, ukraine recognizes its presence and its operation in the kursk region and even creates.

administration in order to maintain these territories accordingly. in addition, there are certain successes of the defense forces in the context of enemy logistics and fighting against it, does this mean that it will be extremely difficult for the enemy to knock out our forces precisely from the kursk region and whether we will succeed in creating a bridgehead there for possible future maneuvers, or is the aviation already involved work in the kursk region, about this and not only let's talk about the nearest ones. minutes and i am glad to welcome kostyantyn kryvolap, analyst, aviation expert, in touch with us, i congratulate you, mr. kryvolap, congratulations, i am glad to see you, very mutual, we will probably start with, and it will be fair, with russian attacks from heaven on our cities, we see that it was hot in kramatorsk today, it is interesting to observe, in fact, according to the enemy's logic, purely for military reasons, they for a certain time...

refrained from attacks on this one of the largest cities of the ukrainian donetsk region, do you have guesses as to why and whether it is related in general with events on the direction and on adjacent ones? the russians have two such main tasks: this is to create a terrorist impression, and they do this with the help of kn-23 missiles, where they drop bombs anywhere. moreover, it doesn’t matter if they drop on their territory or on ukrainian territory, it doesn’t matter, they drop, and the second task is a military one, it’s an impression, well, let’s say with the same iskanders some serious targets on our targets or our mock-ups, and not only kramatorsk, today there were two powerful strikes in the sumy region, directly in sumy, in the villages the sumy area had to be dropped there, that is...

these are not military targets, this is the entire civilian population, there are no military personnel there, there are no military targets there, but this is a russian terrorist tactic. if we talk about sumy and the attacks on sumy oblast, quite interesting things are happening in the region, which is across the border from our sumy oblast, but obviously this does not stop the russians from attacking our region . now more or less to the deeper rear, as far as you think, according to your estimates, it would be logical to move the russian troops with all with their installations and possibly aviation, so that the entire territory of our country is more or less safe and comfortable, well, let's say this, let's talk about the width of a possible sanitary zone, well, you see, they have iskander m, it's 500.

the radius of action is 500 km, now they are still carrying these korean missiles, the range there is 700-800 km, well, 800 km, it is almost to st. petersburg, yes , moscow will definitely fall into this sanitary zone, well , that is, we have no new way out of this situation, how to make such a sanitary zone, well, it wants and looks fantastic so little it's funny to say that, but really... the sanitary zone itself must be understood that we will be fighting for a very long time and they will shoot at us if they have the opportunity, if we can suppress these systems with our missiles, or our partners will give such an opportunity, yes, let's say jason for the f16th, with a long-range jason ir, which allows hitting almost 900 km there, then there will be some parity and then there will be, well, this is the situation... israel, its entourage, you

hit us, hit us, we hit back, you hit us they answered, well, such a situation may exist, but there are people, let's say, there in the ussr, and there they understand something about these things, and the russians do not understand, they, as long as they have something to shoot at, as long as they have something to do some harm , they will do it, mr. kostiantyn, and please tell me, our offensive in kurshchyna coincided with, well, at least chronologically, with the first statements that ukraine has f-16s at its disposal, i would like to... quote now the commander of the air force lieutenant general mykola oleschuk, literally yesterday, he shared a video about the destruction an important logistical route of the bridge over the seim, and emphasizes that it is

the air force aviation that takes part in hostilities in the kurdish direction, ukrainian pilots hit with high-precision strikes on the enemy's strongholds, the accumulation of equipment, as well as the enemy's logistics centers and supply routes, and so on . logistics, if there is an opportunity and desire, we will talk with you a little later, to what extent is the aviation component from our side present now in the context of the kurdish operation? it is present there at all levels, starting from the level of uavs, in fpv drones, reconnaissance drones that fly, this same bridge, it was not just dumbed down, there you see, there are four such perforations, such holes, very neat, they were most likely beaten by the harms, that is, the hymers, and... this was already the last it was most likely hit by a hammer missile, a french missile, or maybe, maybe, i think, most likely it was a humber, well, according to the damage by the degree of damage, maybe 250 kg, maybe a ton, it’s generally such, you know, such

a weapon, which appeared from the fact that the military , when the cold war ended, they did they look at their warehouses, a bunch. bombs are inaccurate, who needs them, a bunch of guided missiles that are there for airplanes, what to do with it, so they started thinking about it and came up with this jidam, this hammer, this russian ipc, uh, it's still a family, when they took an imprecise weapon, a bomb or a missile, and they put a guidance system in there, a system that allows him to gain some... speed there, either with the help of an airplane, or like in a hummer, it's an additional engine, and it's quite accurate to hit the goals and accuracy of these tools became there 3, 5, 10 m, and with regard to the same missiles there , the same thing was attached to the hydra missiles,

the racket is so small, it is aimed at 70 mm in diameter, but it was attached to it, it became a very accurate missile with laser guidance, which we work very well with , and... what concerns the scope of the use of aviation, starting with drones, in f-16, as far as i know, they do not fly there, but bellows work very seriously there, su-27s work very seriously, our rotorcraft work, and there is a full military operation, there are all kinds of troops are engaged and all possibilities are engaged, and the air defense there is ours and so on, and we shoot them down with a helico. ek-52 and from manpads we shoot down and shoot down su-34x with the help of there, well, most likely it was a patriot, that is, everything is working there at full speed, mr. konstantin, well, i don’t know, half joking

, still, i would like to have some idea , in your opinion , ukrainian aviation is still working more in kursk now, or russian aviation, because sometimes how do you look at the scale? destruction, where exactly they drop their controlled, uncontrolled, or semi-controlled eyes bombs and ammunition, then, well, this is genocide against one's own people, in fact, you understand, they are like that, this is a country of slaves, yes, here, if something happens there in the central district, the western districts, somehow they sympathize, somehow they are worried about it, we are close to each other, we have there, we can argue something, something... maybe, but we are ukrainians, we are united by this, yes, and it was shown there on 22, 24.02/22, yes, this showed very significantly, and they are slaves, and something is happening there in the kursk region, in bryansk, in bilhorodsk already they don't care there, i assure you that in

the oryol or tula regions, they don't care about all this, they wanted to sneeze on it, and they have their own population, the population of slaves, why is it... them, they somehow change their gynofund, let's put it this way, and i'm not surprised, then i had this at first, or they will build a new border and will not pay attention to the fact that they are hiding there and isolating the population, isolating all means of information transmission, sending their people there people, children to boarding houses, or to the crimea, or to zaporozhye, so that this information does not i disagreed about what was really there, or they would be like fools, they would climb, and now i come to the conclusion that most likely they will be like stupid letters there, they will destroy with this system of a fire shaft, with these kab resets. assaults, if there is someone to storm, if there is live meat, if they have enough, although, judging there, well, from

the number of personnel, then they have such opportunities, but there at all, there are no trained troops there, well, it is difficult to say , i am not a great military expert, i understand something, but i understand more about the questions that regarding the air, so it is very difficult to say now what will happen there in the future. mr. kostyantyn, let's say a few words about the air and about those areas, let's say, land, without which planes do not take off, about russian airfields. voronezh region, baltimore and borysoglebsk, these very objects were attacked this week by the defense forces of ukraine. live, about some conveniences

for them, but extremely important military a military facility for the russians, where planes are going up that are targeting us, and we're seeing these attacks become more accurate, these attacks have a very specific target, and that we 're no longer talking about hits once every few weeks, we're talking about sometimes several lesions, in fact. per day, what could this mean, is russia's air defense coverage deteriorating, and is our toolkit improving to hit these targets? you listed everything, you just answered right away, so what is the story here, we have three main tasks, yes, this is destruction of russian air defense so that we do not prevent us from doing what we need to do in the airspace. er, this is the first task, the second task is purely economic, it is the destruction

of the russian oil and gas complex, it is strikes on refineries, on oil depots, cutting of these logistical fuel arteries. and the third very important task, which is connected precisely with the problem of anti-aircraft missiles, with the problem of missile attacks, is the destruction of airplanes at airfields, this is the most effective way to solve these problems, and we have one. it's very interesting, you took only this week, and i took another starting from july 20, we had attacks there, almost every day or every night some kind of airfield, they started there with millerov, then there was morozovsk, there was destroyed the fuel depot, then it flew there, there were strikes in tamirin suburbs of moscow, there were two rotorcraft there destroyed, then there korzhi saratov province. then there was the simultaneous destruction of four, or rather three

strategic three bases of the russian strategic aviation, this is olennaya, this is dyageneva, this is enkels-2, which is exactly where the tu-95 ems aircraft that carry the kha101, which are there on december 29, take off from there last year , almost 100 were dropped there for the new year. yes, and these eyes were simultaneously struck, and olenia, it is 1,800 km, yes, if we remember there, before that we struck air defense equipment there, voronezh, voronezh dam, two stations in vorsk and one in armovil, this is also a very long range, and i will tell you that we now have, well , about 300 companies engaged in what they produce, mainly. there are private companies that make everything for short- range drones, and somewhere around 100 companies that

are growing very strongly, and there are several innovative platforms, there are several hubs that are allowed to live, accelerators that allow it to be done quickly, and we see these results, if there, say, when zelenskyy said that we want to have a million drones there next year, then everyone said , that this is nonsense, it is impossible. we probably already have three and the year is only half over, yes, that is, it is developing very significantly, and if we look at the impressions of these airfields. it is very difficult to say what happened in the belt sea there, because there is no confirmation yet, but it is an airfield that is there the 47th aviation bomb bomber regiment, mainly 134,134 carrying these cabs, so to speak, were stationed there, and

the main problem there is that the drones do not fly very fast, and they, the russians, have time... for this it's time to go up, but we impress, impress, the technique-explo of operational parts, express fuel, fuel-bridging materials warehouses and so on, impress this airfield structure and create difficulties, and here is a special such an interesting story about this savaslika, the name is so wonderful, yes so kind of it is phonetically clumsy, i would say so, so ... er, in russia there is a main center, er, the aviation hub - it is zhukovsky, all research work is carried out there, tests are carried out there, a crazy hub is there, all the design bureaus were there antonov. and when the plane and the engine have already reached their certain level, when it has already been adopted, it is transferred

to lipets-2, where the ministry of defense already runs it, trains people. and there in lipetsk-2 is an airfield, and by the way, by the way, we also hit lipetsk-2 and the warehouses there were drinking very pathetically, there were 400 aerial bombs and everything else, what has been accumulated there for 100 years at this airfield, and there is the fourth training center for these pilots, it is also called so very seriously there, and its branch is a savasliika, but it focuses purely on the mig-31, mig-31 bm interceptors and eyes on... ugh, and that's what's interesting that we have the first such curiosity, there were 10 blows, this is what the locals say, and if you analyze the whole attack like this, then it started at night, and there is a video when it was specifically there at night , and then i was hunting already

in the light, when the furies flew in, yes was watching exactly there, with the help of machine vision, he recognized the image of exactly the plane he needed, took aim and struck, and it is very visible, very well seen, how it flies up, almost stops and goes into pique and crashes, but it is closed there, it is not very visible , but i think there were impressions, 1, 2, 3,4 doesn't matter, because the main thing is that it all creates big problems for... pilots, for aviation, for technical personnel, for everyone else, and pay attention , it was on the 14th , today we know which number, and all the air attacks, which were previously associated with the take-off of mig-31 k, and the whole country, the whole country, raised us, now we are waiting for

the implementation, unfortunately, of ballistic. threats from the enemy, but the migs really do not take off, no, you understand, this is the result, if we still drive away these complexes, and there will be something to drive them away, it is best to drive away the f-16s with jaz missiles that hit at 90 and 900 km, then there will be no such worries. mr. kostyantyn, thank you for always meaningful thorough analysis, kostyantyn kryvolap, analyst, aviation expert, joined the program saturday political club. until august 24, espresso is preparing a special project bright people in dark times, interesting stories about heroic people, interviews with viktor yushchenko, svyatoslav shevchuk, serhii plohii and a documentary film 10 years of war on independence day at espresso, from 8:00 a.m. to midnight, don't miss it our marathon, now a short break and we will continue, there are

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about the most important events of this week, and in the meantime we have the opportunity to talk with the honorable experts, i am pleased to welcome oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the center for defense strategies on foreign and security policy, to the studio, mr. oleksandr, i am glad to see and hear, glory to ukraine, it is a pleasure to see you, mr. krystyna. a word to the heroes. let's probably start, and it will be absolutely logical, with the reaction of the world to the events in the kursk region, the united states is very careful in its rhetorical figures when talking about its awareness of what happened, how it was prepared and so on, but, but, joseph biden, the american president, answering the questions of journalists, the other day, said that ukraine's operation is in kursk. oblast has created a real dilemma for the president of russia vladimir putin, how would you decipher this understanding of joseph biden of the situation and whether

this dilemma really exists for putin, because in fact, given the peculiarities of the russian constitution , for them, kherson and the kurdish region are one and the same precisely, that is, in essence, the russians have long been in a situation where ukraine was occupied. their territories, all this i take now in quotation marks, well, i would say took control, because we are not going to, we are not russians, we do not claim russian territories, we are not going to annex them, so this is not an invasion, it is not an occupation, i would say a takeover under control, when such a term as the creation of dilemmas is used, it is usually from international relations, from the theory of conflict, it is meant that someone has several problems. at least two that are not very good and must be chosen with the least losses, what mr. biden means, we do not

know, but we can see what dilemmas our, our control over a part of the russian territory created, the first is that in order to protect his territory, putin needs forces and means, and he has the option of pulling them away from the eastern direction, where, unfortunately, the russians were slowly advancing. they have certain tactical successes there, and we do not see that they are in a hurry to transfer forces and means from there, something happened, but not to the extent that we would like, of course, that they are now trying to cross and recruit, that is, from other regions of the russian federation, throw immediately into battle, in fact, there was information that even conscripts were being used, that is , everything... is at vilno's hand, they do and throw at us. it is very interesting, by the way, that many experts in the west and mass media said that the russians are preparing

something big. well, that is, the expansion of the invasion and some big operation, that is why they accumulated large reserves, we did not see these reserves, that is, it turned out to be an informational psychological operation against us and against our western partners, it is a military political moment, if he does not have enough people, despite the million-strong army, then he will need to do something with the mobilization, or hidden, when they count from 400 to 2 million, they give these killers a lift, is it necessary to announce a general mobilization, if general, it means on the one hand, a blow to prestige, a blow to political support from the russian populace, because it is not just the marginals who are going to fight, and someone from ethical and ethnic minorities will have to fight, but it will be necessary to take from st. petersburg from moscow, and of course that social tension will increase, further this

question. the fact that literally, it seems, the head of the central bank of the russian federation talked about the state of the russian economy the week before last, there was quite a, you know, black picture, not as black as we would like, that they are on the verge of disaster, but still yes, and one of the key points, one of the key points, was the lack of manpower, that is, in order to now equip someone and leave them to fight against us... then it will be necessary to take them from the factories, be it military defense factories or civilian factories , means industries, but it will mean even more the burden on the russian economy, which is not in the best shape, despite bravura statements that gdp growth there is faster than in germany or some other countries, so these are the dilemmas, and of course the territorial one, which you said is now a formula, let's set

the record straight. or realities on the ground, it will certainly not be used by the russian federation, as it will mean the loss of the legitimate, legal, as we also recognize, territory of the russian federation, so they will look for some, some other forms. and of course, there is political success in our operation. i don't know how the military component will end, but first and most importantly, we broke this stereotype, the false stereotype that we, this war is in... the corner, that is, we showed that we are able to take, accumulate forces, and do it quite professionally and beautifully this military operation on the territory of the russian federation, and in fact we did it with one hand, behind our backs, which is supported by the same united states, because we do not have, well , let's say, the ability to attract all types

of weapons. in particular from the united states, namely in this kursk operation, because we are talking about sovereign russian territory, and some countries, some countries are already moving away from this so-called red line, in germany they say that from the moment german tanks arrived in ukraine, they became actually ukrainian tanks, let them use them as they want, canada has given the go-ahead for the use of its weapons, weapons that are made there. on the territory of the kurt region, but joseph biden and his administration are still in every way inclined to a similar decision and a similar permission for ukraine, in particular and delegation, a bipartisan united states delegation that visited the ukrainian capital this week. so do you really think we're getting to a point where there will be no taboos, and we

won't have from the united states... no restrictions on the use of weapons, of course i'd like to hope so, because it's a ridiculous restriction, it's a firstly, secondly, well, in fact, these two years have shown the failure of the strategy towards russia, towards ukraine of this administration, and there is, well, you know, this is probably because of a certain time we will find out whether the americans knew about or jointly developed this operation with them, i have doubts about it, although the advisor... of the president's office podalyak said that the americans were aware, in confirmation of his words, perhaps we can cite that bucin and the ukrainians destroyed several bridges in the kurt region, using american missiles, if this is the case, it means whether they are aware or they were forced to help ukraine with the destruction of strategically important bridges on the territory of the russian federation.