a special view on events in ukraine, so it is not necessary to say that the fish rots from the head, no, not from the head, and beyond its borders, then who is china, me, my heart hurts, all this in an information marathon with mykola in september, saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 at espresso. we continue the saturday political club at espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, very soon you will have a conversation with vitaliy portnikov about the most important events of this week, and while we have the opportunity to talk with respected experts, i am glad to welcome to the studio oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert center for defense strategies on foreign and security policy. mr. oleksandr, glad to see and hear, glory to ukraine. by the way, it's nice to see you, mr. koli. hero word. let's probably

start, and it will be absolutely logical, with the world's reaction to the events in the kursk region, the united states is very careful in its rhetorical figures when talking about its awareness of what happened, how it was prepared and so on. but, but, joseph biden, the american president, answering questions from journalists the other day, said that operation of ukraine in the course. region has created a real dilemma for russian president vladimir putin. how would you decipher joseph biden's understanding of the situation, and whether this dilemma really exists for putin, because in fact, given the peculiarities of the russian constitution, for them, kherson and the kursk region are one and the same. that is, in fact, the russians have long been in a situation where ukraine was occupied. their territories, i

take all this now in quotation marks, well, i would say i took it under control, because we are not going to, we are not russians, we do not pretend to be russian territories, we are not going to annex them, so this is not an invasion, this is not an occupation, i would say taking control, when such a term as creating dilemmas is used, then of course it is also from international relations from the theory of conflict, it is meant that before someone there are several... elections, at least two, which are not very good, and we have to choose with the least losses, what mr. biden means, we don't know, but we can see what our dilemmas, our control over part of the russian territory has created, first - this is what for in order to protect his territory, putin needs forces and means, and he has the option of pulling them away from the eastern direction, where, unfortunately, the russians are slowly just... moving,

they have certain tactical successes there, and we do not see for them to rush to transfer forces and means from there, something happened, but not to the extent that we would like, of course, that they are now trying to scratch and recruit, which means from other regions of the russian federation, they are immediately thrown into battle, in fact there was information that even conscripts they use, that is... everything vilnov has at hand, they make and throw at us. it is very interesting, by the way, that many experts in the west and the mass media said that the russians are preparing something big, well, that is , an expansion of the invasion and some big operation, and that is why they have accumulated large reserves, we did not see these reserves, that is, this it turned out to be an informational and psychological operation against us and against our western partners, this is a military political moment, if i... there are not enough

people, despite the million-strong army, then he then it will be necessary to do something with the mobilization, whether hidden, when it is taken into account that from 400 to 2 million are given to these murderers, or is it necessary to announce a general mobilization, if general it means, on the one hand, a blow to prestige, a blow to political support on the part of the russian pleps , because it's not just the marginals and... from the ethnic minorities, someone will fight, but it will have to be taken from st. petersburg, from moscow, and of course the social tension will increase, then it's a matter of what literally seems like the week before last head of the central bank of the russian federation talked about the state of the russian economy, there was quite a black picture here, not as black as we would like, that they are on the verge. catastrophes, but still,

and one of the key, one of the key points - it was the lack of manpower, that is, in order to equip someone now and quit fighting. we will then have to take away from the factories, be it the defense industry factories, or the factories of the civil sector, that is, the industry, but this will mean an even greater burden on the russian economy, which is not in the best condition, despite bravura statements that the gdp growth there is faster than in germany or in some other countries, that is why there are dilemmas, and of course the territorial one, which you said is now a formula, let's fix... the situation or realities on the ground, it certainly will not be used by the russian federation, as it will mean the loss of legitimate, legal, as we also recognize, the territory of the russian federation, so they will look for some, some other forms. well, of course, there is a political success in

our operation, i don't know how it will end military component, but first and most importantly, we broke this stereotype, a false stereotype, that we, this war is in... which corner, that is, we showed that we are able to take, accumulate forces, and carry out this military operation on the territory quite professionally and beautifully of the russian federation, and in fact we did it with one hand behind our back, which is supported by the same united states, because we do not have, well, let's say this, good for attracting all types of weapons. in particular from the united states precisely in this exchange rate operation, because we are talking about sovereign russian territory, and some countries, some countries are already moving away from this so-called red line, in germany they say that from the moment

german tanks arrived in ukraine, they became actually ukrainian tanks, let them use them as they want. canada has given its go-ahead for the use of its weapons, weapons that are manufactured there. on the territory of the kurdish region, but joseph biden and his administration are still in every way inclined to a similar decision and similar permission for ukraine, in particular the delegation, bipartisan the delegation of the united states, which visited the ukrainian capital this week. so do you really think we're getting to a point where there will be no taboos and we're out of the united states. will have no reservations about the use of weapons, of course, i would like to hope so, because this is a ridiculous restriction, it is firstly, secondly, well, in fact, these two years have shown the failure of the strategy in relation to russia, to ukraine of this administration, and there is, well you know, that's

for sure after a certain time we will find out whether the americans knew or developed together with them this operation, i have doubts about it, although... podalyak of the president's office said that the americans were aware, to confirm his words, perhaps it can be cited that bucin and the ukrainians destroyed several bridges in the kursk region, using american missiles, if so, it means whether they are aware, or they were forced to help ukraine with the destruction of strategically important bridges on the territory of the russian federation, if the americans do not know. but it was a surprise for them, well, as a surprise, probably their intelligence understood what the forces and means of ukraine are accumulating on the border with the russian federation, we are planning something there, but they probably did not know the essence of what was going to happen, and of course they should not have shown themselves to be not

in control of the situation, which is precisely why they actually supported our actions on the turkish side, well, whatever it is, this administration is already finishing it. their work, and maybe if there was an agreement with the americans about our actions, and if we were given permission to hit the kurdish bridges, it means that more and more in the hands of his management, at least the strategy in relation to russia, ukraine, camila harris' team, there is such a phil gordon, a person who is very knowledgeable about european affairs, maybe he wants to show before the election day that... camila harris is capable of not just continuing that the strategy itself, well, as i said, it is already a failure, absolutely obvious, and to do something else, well, of course, there is also pressure, including due to the elections in the united states, so you just showed lynsey graham, one of leading republicans who

said, well, it is necessary to kick the ass of the russians, that they will increase the pressure on the administration, so that there are no senseless restrictions, so that ukraine is provided with more weapons. well, by the way, until today, only about 20% of the amount allocated by the congress for security assistance to ukraine has been used, and in fact in... all this ends at the end of september, well , in fact, the permission to use this money, that is, how shall we say financial year yes, and then it will be necessary to do certain additional bureaucratic measures in order to to unblock this aid, so far we don't see that the americans are in a hurry, or rather this administration, well, the republicans usually use it as pressure on this administration and criticism, so i hope that they will change, that they will realize by... that they will change their approach at least until the elections, and then of course with the new

administration we will look at how to form a strategy for the victory of ukraine, by the way, which was also a condition for voting for a large aid package of 61 billion, the administration had to provide a strategy for victory of ukraine and where the goals of the united states regarding ukraine and russia would be highlighted. mr. oleksandr, i don't know if you followed, but... interesting theses were heard in donald trump's interview with elon musk. wow, yes. i'm really a little bit in disbelief that i'm saying this, that we're following this at all. but yes, it happened, and one of the most interesting theses is that donald trump said that he told putin not to invade ukraine. as you generally assess, this is the image course of the former american president and presidential candidate. again from the republican party, to go to this interview, and in principle to say quite bright, extraordinary

things, as always. well, first of all, there was a comment by john boldon, who was the national security adviser to president trump, he said that there was no such conversation when he was the head of the department, and he does not know from other sources that trump once said something similar to putin. so you know most of all, like we have gpt chat, this artificial intelligence that sometimes hallucinates and gives very strange answers to a human, i think it was just, let's say in the style of trump, he lives in this fantasy that the palm of musk and his platform, this is also an interesting separate topic, because by and large this person bought twitter, an extremely popular western platform, not to make money. in fact, in order to promote the political agenda and in particular the coming to power of donald trump, or

well, before it was unknown whether donald trump would withstand the pressure, maybe it was a landing party, there are still a few of the same nikili, that is, in principle , he has a hidden hidden order daytime, he is with peter till, another famous billionaire and technology leader. they promote their rather specific, let's say, it goes, their specific ideas, they need people like trump events who will implement, because they understand that they themselves are not capable of coming to the white house, what was before this stream of consciousness with on both sides, where there is no criticality, you know, well, you are a professional journalist, you understand that no person, if he does not have an education, if he does not understand how journalism works, cannot conduct a quality interview. there won't be an interview, for example fact-checking, i.e. checking the facts to see if it is

fiction, if it is a lie, or if it is true, then it is conducting the interview itself, i.e. asking questions, then it is manners, because of course there is, for example, a hard talk with that saker, where he asks rather uncomfortable questions to his interlocutors in order to expose the interlocutor, and what was between trump and... i mean the masks, it was like, you know, a very childish, childish question and praise of trump by musk, it is definitely not journalism, it is propaganda. why does trump say that? i think the answer is that he took those who were with him in the 16th year to his team of pr and strategists. ugh. and actually, the key, key thesis of these people, let trump be himself. actually. through these eyes a stream of consciousness, and it attracts, and it attracts to itself those people who, well, that is

, there is a demand for something like that, that's why trump offers. thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, for joining the saturday political club, oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the center for defense strategies on foreign and security policy. well, now i'm in touch with the studio ihor samovolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies. mr. igor, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. greetings, greetings to you. and your viewers, glory to the heroes. huh, already in a few weeks the world is watching and waiting for iran's so-called response to what happened. in tehran a few weeks ago, namely the liquidation of hamas leaders, and these are actually very vivid events that have certain consequences, but only iran has so far refrained from strikes by israel, what is iran's balanced approach to the situation now? well, i am

i think that the key, key situation that affects for. now on the behavior of tehran, these are the negotiations that are taking place to end the war in gaza, and i think that iran is giving a chance, of course not in vain, is giving a chance to these negotiations to take place, they understand very well, at least a large part of the new presidential team in tehran understands, that the strike now on israel gives... there is a chance for netanyahu to get off the hook and return to a tough policy towards the palestinian issue, so now, if only the stars aligned, that the americans need this an agreement is absolutely necessary, and the iranians keep

israel in a state of constant tension and... according to the estimates of the same israeli experts, most likely israel will not be able to fend off the blows and attacks of iran without american help, that is, in other words, now it is very many factors coincided, and obviously pezeshkiyan, his team, perhaps even alikh menei, as the supreme leader, decided to wait, and in this sense. as i said, this is not done in vain, but it is done with the hint that between iran and the united states of america may begin then negotiations on the settlement and easing of sanctions, so i think that the iranians are at least hinting at this. if we talk

about these negotiations taking place in qatar, then the president of the united states. biden warns all parties against disrupting these changes, what are the contacts based on now and what is each party insisting on now? well , it is not known for certain, because the israeli position is not fully understood either, since, as far as i know, there are differences between the position of hamas and the position of israel, and israel is now trying. put forward a tougher position, instead hamas wants the parties to base their agreement on previous agreements that took place earlier in the summer, so it turns out that this is the main intrigue, and here the americans can play a key role, forcing both sides to accept this

deal, which will obviously not be to the liking of either israel or ha well, meanwhile, palestinian leaders are looking for support where they can afford to look for it, and palestinian president mahmoud abbas visited moscow, quite interestingly was to observe this meeting, at least in the context of its coverage in the russian mass media, as a crazy victory for the russian leader presented, for example, by the telegraph agency of the soviet union. this meeting with mahmoud abbas is interesting, interesting, but let's look a little from the other side, what is the palestinian leader looking for now in the russian federation? well, obviously he's looking for support, he's willing to go to anyone, because now is really such a very important moment for the future

of the palestinian state, that is, while all the actors warmed up, while this issue is on the agenda, while they are talking about it, otherwise we have to forge iron until, as they said, gorbachev's reconstruction, that is, in this case, i think that for the palestinians, the key is not to do everything for so that the palestinian issue is not glossed over, but after the gas agreement, on the contrary , it was brought up for more... wider discussion and included in the agenda of the future american administration and other key ones. that's why they actually make these visits, trying to get the support of everyone, everyone they can attract, well want to leave to involve not only russia, but also

turkey, recep erdogan, turkey, china, the united states of america, if they are ready to join, that is, in fact, the palestinians largely do not care who joins in solving their issue, the more countries. willing or determined to resolve the middle east conflict, the better for the palestinians. well, in general, do you now see any conscious way out of the situation in which the parties have driven themselves, in fact, as israel, we understand, cannot retreat from its chosen path, and palestine can hardly insist on anything now. another, what is the difference from what they usually declare, can the end of this war be as quick as the actual beginning? well, i

would rather talk about the conflict, because in principle, even if we look at this war, the war with hamas, yes, this is just an element of the conflict that has been going on for more than 100 years, they are different. different aspects, different capabilities of the parties, and it is clear that a lot will depend on which government will be in israel, so far the existing government is not ready to make any serious concessions, even more, they are not even ready to hear about the creation of a palestinian state, they have essentially canceled the decision on it. and well, at least most of the members of the government were actively opposed to the oslo agreements all the time, and it is almost impossible to expect changes,

but, as i said, the situation is heated, and there are too many risks to leave it as it is, and it is clear that the pressure will increase, yes, that is, as soon as. the situation in gas will start to unravel, then obviously the issue will become broader, that is, that a palestinian state is created, the conditions under which it will be created, the circumstances that will contribute to its creation and the security of israel, i think that all this will be discussed, but it is unlikely will the israelis manage to preserve the status quo and the situation when a large part of the west bank... is occupied, continues to be occupied, and is regularly settled with jews in settlements that are built in violation of

international law. mr. igor, very briefly, literally one minute, we understand that lebanon and israel regularly exchange rocket attacks, 5 days ago lebanon announced 30 rockets from the side, or rather, lebanon launched 30 rockets into the territory of israel. says today that as a result of israeli rocket fire , civilians are being killed, should we hope for de-escalation, at least in this direction, in the northern direction from, well, i think so, i think a large percentage of what if the gaza agreement is signed , ending the war in gaza, there will be a de-escalation of the conflict on the north of israel, or at least, well... that 's a starting point when we talk about the beginning of this escalation, and it started just after the start of the war in gaza. thank you

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successes are practically daily in this direction. ukraine also announced the creation of administrations in currently managed, currently controlled territories, which means that we will be there for a certain time, and we need to deal, in particular, with the population that remains there. ukrainians are debating what to do with the chickens, whether it is possible to evacuate them to ukraine, and the like. things, mr. vitaly, how does the situation in kurshchyna look to you now? well, i think we can talk about the fact that the armed forces of ukraine are trying to gain a foothold in this territory and expand the zone of their control. and it is also obvious that russia will now try to gather troops for to knock ukrainian forces out of this territory, there is already a lot of evidence that this is happening, but again the question arises

as to how well the russians will be able to ... survive in the coming weeks and even months, because given these resources that has the russian federation, in order to knock out the troops of ukraine from the controlled territories, it is necessary to redeploy its own armed forces from other directions, which are now in the center of attention of the russian military command, and this is not only the donetsk direction, we have you should remember that the troops of the russian federation are located in several directions in ukraine. this is the direction of donetsk, where the most intense fighting is going on, and there russia expects to gain control over key positions and continue to develop the offensive to occupy the entire territory of the donetsk region, this is an important task for them, because vladimir putin has set his army to take control of the administrative borders of donetsk region and luhansk region in february 2022. let's not forget that the so -called special operation began with this, but apart from this direction,

where we are now with great anxiety…