are going on and they don’t know about a single killed resident, well, this is also in contrast to what the rashists are doing and did in buchi, in irpin, in gostomel, in what they did in izyum, and what they are doing now, in principle, in all the occupied territories, but it is clear that we must understand, yes, we observe humanitarian law, but we understand that these are the people who are... the country that is killing today our country, our people, that killed, is killing and will kill, let's be honest here too. mr. george, one more question: the kremlin is trying to downplay this threat, at least if you look at their tv channels, their telegram channels, perhaps more pro-government ones, and their mass media in general, the kremlin is still trying. present it as a certain

force majeure problem or a problem of a more humanitarian, extraordinary nature, but not as an occupation, well, if it were logical, this is how they should present it, in your opinion, why is there such a reaction, why is there no announcement , as we, as someone expected mobilization, not the announcement of any actions there, so to speak, well, what could we conventionally expect, why are they trying to... so minimize in the eyes of their society the offensive of our country, the offensive of our armed forces on the kursk region? well, in principle, those who haven't lost at least a little common sense, i mean the russians, and they perfectly understand what is happening, we are now talking about the russian government and, accordingly, russian propaganda. indeed

, complete minimization is taking place there, by the way, such a policy has already given rise to a wave, not just one, but a whole wave of various confrontations, in the so-called z environment, well, that is, these swindled various z figures, starting with solovyov, with skabeeva, and ending with, well, putin himself frankly, then... there are quite powerful disputes, to put it mildly, within number, for example, and what is happening in the kurschen, here putin said the situation, and a considerable number of the so-called z war cows, as they call themselves, they are outraged and demand that the russian authorities act more decisively, call... and by their

names, the following goes on the argument went around thesis introduced by krem propagandists, i think our viewers have already paid attention to it, they say, the second battle of kursk, the first kurdish battle there, it turned the course of the second world war, and now the same thing is happening in those fields, we will turn it again, and we found ourselves ... opponents, i emphasize this, within this very despicable phenomenon called the z environment, who began to cry, have you lost your mind? no , there is no kurdish battle, this is an attack that was made there at the request of the cia, the fbi and nato, what you are spreading is a trifle at all some worthless, and you compare it? with

the huge battle of the second world war, so from the point of view of information, well, here i think, even no one has any doubts that the goal has been achieved, and as for uh, why, for example, you have already mentioned - putin's position, indicative , by the way, there is the fact that if you recall a... how his political career began with the submarine disaster, the same thing happened, first silence, silence, silence, four days later, it seems, uh, it started modest report, well, there is such a small conflict there , but everything is in order there, we are in contact with the crew, then for a month and a half he told us that there... they are retraining with

the crew, well, it ended with him smiling at face answered even the question, what happened to the kursk, she drowned, that's about it. the same, the same algorithm of reaction is now taking place on the part of putin to the events that are taking place in the territory of the kursk region, at first complete ignoring, well, it seems that nothing is happening at all, and then yes, well, something is there a mosquito bit, some insect crawled by, and he characterizes these events as events, events in the kursk region, and among other things... well, i can't say there, of course , there is no question of some kind of emotional explosion inside russia, but at least with there are certain citizens and public movements there who are surprised, to put it mildly, by such a passive reaction

of the kremlin to the fact that part of the territory of russia is being taken under control by foreign troops, or rather the armed forces of ukraine, and therefore... but if so, in one sentence or two, yours subjective opinion, this reaction will be, or will they still have to react, or will they try in the following weeks, this week, the next, a month, two, to belittle and somehow, as they say, to go off topic, i watched a few of these political... different shows and also watched some analysis from the so-called good russians, and in principle i agree with the thesis that today one of the reasons for this, so to speak, weak reaction

the kremlin is the fact that it is still for the kremlin the most decisive is the attack on donetsk region, accordingly, expect that there will be... from that direction, some important large units will be withdrawn in order to start liberating kurshchyna, i think it will not happen that way. the kremlin understands very well that there is, in fact, about a month and a half left to continue offensive actions, really, yes, then in october the rains will already begin, and it will not be until the offensive. so, at putin's, to solve the so-called donetsk. voprosa remains a month and a half, i think that during this period, a month and a half, no sharp movements will not be carried out, but already, well, it seems to me that way, at least, there are already discussions in this very zetserovysh about

the need to announce total mobilization and the need to involve conscripts in direct... combat operations, such in this way, i conclude that the process of preparing public opinion for such actions has begun, and such actions will be implemented, but i still think that they will be implemented after it becomes physically impossible to work specifically in the donetsk direction, well well, once again, if you put it that way, last week the western media published information that the mobilization for... can be carried out in november of this year, that is, in about two or three months. mr. georgy, i sincerely thank you for taking the time to join me and for your thoughts. gerohiy tuka, ex-deputy minister for temporarily occupied territories in 16-19 years, ex-head

of the luhansk military-civilian administration in 15-16 years, founder and head of the volunteer group people's rear was. ethers espresso tv channel. i remind you about our survey, we continue to ask you whether you hope that the authorities will ensure transparency in the reconstruction of the ohmadit children's hospital. you can take your phones or smartphones and vote yes or no for free. if you think so, 0.800, 211,381, if you think no, 0.800.2%. 382. i remind you once again, all calls are absolutely free, so join. iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary

of cooperation, delegated for a peaceful settlement in donbas, live on the espresso tv channel in the new week. mrs. iryna, iryna, we are glad to welcome you. good evening, glory to ukraine, i am very glad to join one of my favorite tv channels. glory to the heroes. mrs. irina, the first topic i wanted to discuss with you. this is the formula for peace, peace, peace talks, in particular the washington post newspaper, an american publication, wrote about the disruption of the supposedly secret talks that took place between ukraine and russia due to the kurdish operation. well, in particular, if i add a little bit of information, then in august of the 24th year, representatives of ukraine and the occupying state. were supposed to send negotiators to qatar regarding

the cessation of strikes on energy and energy infrastructure in general from both sides, and in particular, the washington post allegedly writes that these negotiations were disrupted due to the kurdish operation, how do you evaluate such information, such articles, which they wonder if this could really happen. this and and whether such things they should, whether such things should be given publicity, or should society know about any negotiations, even theoretical ones, that may take place between ukraine and the side of the occupying state? and first, i belong to those politicians who believe that the main negotiator at this stage is the armed forces. forces of ukraine. the strength and power of the armed forces of ukraine strengthen the negotiating positions of ukraine, regardless of whether

peace negotiations begin, because it is obvious that any war, any conflict ends with peace negotiations. but today, the ukrainian armed forces are writing this formula for peace, and they need it to help, and to help through, firstly, the strengthening of our military-industrial complex, sufficient provision of drones, missiles, shells and strengthening. provision of western weapons, and for this we also all need to work more seriously externally, this is the first, second, as a person who once participated in peace negotiations, i want to say that we had one directive, to prevent a full-scale invasion, and the minsk process, despite all the criticism, you know, he did a very important thing, first of all, he gave a break to the armed forces of ukraine, this opportunity to build up muscles and be strong. and liberating ukrainian territories step by step, but i know for sure that

they are negotiating on the one hand, of course any, yes, they like silence, secondly, the russians can never be trusted, they only understand the language of strength, and the stronger ukraine will be, the our position will be stronger, we have to be strong from the point of view of the armed forces of ukraine, we did the same with our diplomacy, so that we strengthened this anti-putin coalition, but despite the fact that... obviously, the negotiations have a certain character, society also has the right to know some truth and here i want to draw a parallel again, that for another two weeks i informed at least my colleagues in the parliament about the progress of the negotiations, and president poroshenko met with the leaders of the factions in order to inform them about my vision of how we maintain the country, how we strengthen the armed forces of ukraine, how we liberate our te... and i will remind you, we managed to liberate 70% of occupied donbas at

that time, the fact that today there is no such information, there is no dialogue even with the parliament, i do not consider it correct , well, i will emphasize that there is one more interesting position, yes, we are forbidden to conduct any negotiations with representatives of the russian federation, there are relevant decisions of both the parliament and the national security council, and actually, well, there is such a conflict here and there, but once again i emphasize that... that our the key task, as a society, as politicians, as these - to strengthen the armed forces of ukraine, they are our main diplomat today and form this negotiating base, how strong will our positions be in any negotiations, well, in particular , the russian side allegedly denies that that any negotiations took place at all, the russian side can actually deny a lot, let's give the graphics now. what the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of russia zakharova said, she

said that no one disrupted anything, because there was nothing to disrupt, no direct or indirect negotiations with russia between russia and the kyiv regime in quotation marks regarding the safety of civilian objects, critical infrastructure was not conducted and is not being conducted, well, again, they can say a lot, we, relatively speaking, cannot, so to speak , confirm or deny this information, we provide what... declares what is published by the foreign press, in particular the washington post, if we speak in general about other international issues, then... on august 23, on the day of the national flag of ukraine, he should arrive to us in kyiv, from indian prime minister mr. modi, who had previously visited the aggressor state, met with putin on an official visit. we understand that one way or another economically, india is one of the key

partners of the occupying power. in fact, this is the first visit in history, in general. er, such a level of representative to ukraine, well, already in the foreign press is once again reporting that mr. modi can allegedly convey some message or message from putin to zelenskyi. in general, how do you assess such a visit, is it necessary to communicate with india at this level, what topics need to be discussed, what topics need to be raised, and... and can there really be certain messages from the side of fashion conveyed by putin zelensky? well, first of all, what we have seen from putin's side so far, their russian scenarios, what they call their proposals for negotiations, it was called capitulation of ukraine, it is obvious that

there can be no treatment on the part of ukraine, and i emphasize once again, we need to strengthen our armed forces. secondly, of course, we welcome the visit of prime minister modi to ukraine, it is very important, and what is the problem of the war now, unfortunately, the russian federation has learned to circumvent sanctions, unfortunately, the countries of the global south have not joined the sanctions , unfortunately, russia quickly found substitutes for its exports, and we see that even those in the rocket that fell on ohmadit had... elements of western technologies, western chips, this means that through third countries, the aggressor country can receive these dual-use goods or parts for its military production, and it is very important that we block such ways, as well as the expansion of the sanctions regime against the russian federation. unfortunately, russia has

the money to continue the war. unfortunately, india is indeed one of the key trading partners. of the russian federation, in particular regarding contracts for the purchase of russian energy carriers. and obviously there is an emotional component to the visit, i hope mr. modi under during the visit, he will see the consequences of the genocidal practices of the russian federation, the destruction of ukrainian critical infrastructure and our capital, yes, if it will only be in the capital, well, as a rule, after all, state leaders only visit the capital, this is all very important. constituent, also this is a very important signal, indeed, because this is really one of those visits that are important in terms of extending support to ukraine, and i think we can only welcome this visit, but it is important to prepare for it very clearly and speak about three things: india has the same

to be interested, like all civilized countries , in maintaining the territorial integrity of the country. of ukraine, for this we need to stop the war, it can be stopped only by increasing pressure on the russian federation, by strengthening the sanctions regime, by stopping the purchase of energy carriers in the russian federation and by supporting programs for ukraine. mrs. iryna, i would like to talk to you about an equally important topic, which is law-making activity, in our country the verkhovna rada is supposed to meet on... unfortunately, we saw that the verkhovna rada has finished its activity in july, for almost a month, without voting for the bill banning

the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and in general, we see that there are many others. issues, volodymyr zelenskyi announced last thursday that there will be an alleged meeting of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and he noted several such packages, package bills or directions, including payments to military personnel who perform tasks on the territory of russia regarding normalization their legal activities, about providing... citizenship to foreigners fighting for ukraine, about settling the issue of using trophy weapons, depriving traitors of state titles and awards, and of course... it is also worth asking about the really urgent decision that has been urgently adopted in our country for almost a year and a half regarding the banning of the russian church , which in the current

week, if the verkhovna rada meets again, the bills are the most important for adoption, which you expect to be adopted and which are possibly controversial and problematic for of the ukrainian state, well... the conciliation council is going on right now, i broke away from conciliation, which participants are to be included in the broadcast of the espressi tv channel, because the conciliation in our country today, unfortunately, is not public, from a positive point of view, so finally the verkhovna rada is returning to plenary sessions, and i am very optimistic, finally, about the fact that, thanks to the actions of european solidarity, which, as you know, blocked the rostrum of the parliament with the demand to bring to the second reading the draft law on... security, national ukraine and the ban of these moscow peeps who tomorrow it will be voted on in the editorial board of the committee, what is found here, i hope

a healthy compromise and it will be a very correct decision by the day of independence. i would like to remind you that this became possible thanks to the tough position of european solidarity, the opposition of other factions, and secondly, i think, public opinion, because any sociological polls today, which in one way or another are conducted by bankova. they testify to the fact that ukrainians realize that the moscow priests are not a church at all, they are a sect of the fsb, and every day the sbu discloses new and new crimes of involvement in collaboration, at least of representatives of this sect. ah, it is very important that, well, we know, there was an attempt by the bank to get another thomas, as long as it was not from poroshenko, and when they were also explained that... well, this is some kind of delusion, i i think that all of this somehow came together in such a way that we have a good chance of passing this

bill tomorrow, so follow my telegram channel and our social networks in the conditions of the closure of the parliament, we will promptly inform you about it, you mentioned a number of other draft laws that president zelensky introduced to the parliament, they do not, in my opinion, have the character of sensationalism, because this is already the fourth law. zelenskyi's project on dual multiple citizenship, and it is precisely around this that the discussion is going on during the conciliation council, seems to be the right idea, and there are several stronger bills on how to simplify the acquisition of citizenship by those citizens who help the armed forces of ukraine and serve in the armed forces of ukraine. seems like a good idea, but sorry, in this bill, for example, there is a rule that it is not necessary to pass... the ukrainian language and, excuse me, ukrainian citizenship today our heroes are protected with blood, and when with one hand we protect, you know, our language, strengthen our spiritual

independence, and with the other hand just everything we cross it out, it is impossible, so we, for example, do not see in this bill such very positive stories that can be voted on as a whole, the same applies to the bill about the very correct idea of ​​deprivation. reward traitors, i want to remind that there has been such a bill in the parliament for several years, it was registered by mr. luzynskyi, our deputies, vyatrovych, knyazhytskyi, we are all its co-authors, but we have the wrong surname, the correct banking bill was introduced, and things will be a little different there, to be honest norms, which we will also discuss before the second reading, so i want to say that we are all for the parliament to work actively, for the parliament to work transparently when such bills are discussed. surely all ukrainians have the right to know all the positions and the essence of these laws in essence, because the name is often the same, there are certain nuances inside, and it is actually very

important that the essence, the body of the law, its content correspond to us, and that is what we will, our faction will fight for, well, as for the prohibition of moscow peeps, i believe that this will be one of the key decisions of the verkhovna rada of the current convocation, if we speak. on the banning of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, a bill that, apparently, the majority of ukrainian society is waiting for, including according to the polls that we see in public access, whether the bill as it is today, with the amendments that were made a few days ago in the specialized committee, how effective it is and... how much it will really be able to prevent the influence of the russian orthodox church on religious organizations in ukraine,

because we understand it well. that, conditionally speaking, it will be approved tomorrow, this does not mean that tomorrow, conditionally speaking, there will no longer be a russian church in ukraine, well or not that church that has affiliation there, there is a certain procedure, as far as i understand it, and mr. stefanchuk spoke, the speaker of the verkhovna rada, spoke about the fact that there will be a transition period of nine months, as far as i understand, yes, and there are also questions judicial procedure, the question... as far as i understand, the approval by the profile commission on issues, on church issues, this whole set of facts, it really shows that there conditionally in nine months or at least in a year, we will do this this step, even in this plan away from moscow, will there be even after that certain moments of sabotage from the side. and

officials, and from the side of the parliamentarians, and from the side, of course, of the pro-russian forces that will delay this process, here is your subjective opinion, and we are a state governed by the rule of law, so we really have to do everything necessary, so that the procedure prohibits this sect was legally clean at first, so that the big moscow lobby, which unfortunately works both in ukraine and in the world, could not later cross them out. decisions, this is very important, secondly, it is obvious that this decision has a vote tomorrow and a political and legal aspect, as you correctly explained the logic of the draft law, that a special commission will be created, which will appeal to the court if the prescriptions are not fulfilled, and during the period after the court decision , certain decisions will be made regarding this or that parish there, but i

think that there are very important ones. a political post, a political signal, you know, like the acceptance of thomas, it was definitely a historic decision that gave birth to a single local ukrainian orthodox church and prompted the transition, parishes, this is the decision of the verkhovna rada, this vote, i hope that it will encourage come and join the orthodox church of ukraine, because it is not about banning any religion, it is not about the religious aspect, language. exclusively about security, national security and defense, and excuse me, very often people who are used to going to church in their locality, they go to church, they are orthodox believers, and it does not even occur to them, yes, that they go to the church, which belongs to the russian and still patriarchate, does not have a sign hanging there, just unfortunately, unfortunately, we have to finish it, so

what... let's sum up the results of our, or rather, the interim results of our voting, we asked whether you hope that the government will ensure transparency in the reconstruction of ohmadite, 10% think so and 90% think no. and one more small announcement: until august 24 , espresso is preparing a special project. bright people in dark times, these are interesting stories about heroic people, about our ukrainians who created and are creating history, there will be interviews with viktor yushchenko, svyatoslav shevchuk, serhiy plohii, and there will be a documentary film 10 years of war on independence day on espresso, from eight in the morning until midnight, we will pass the baton to our colleagues from bbc ukraine, news and at 9:15 p.m. we will come back to you, do not

switch, destroyed bridges and the creation of a buffer zone along of the border, which is happening in the kursk region in the second week of the ukrainian operation, we are talking about it on the bbc from london, i am inna kosynska. the kursk operation has been going on for almost two weeks. during this time , the defense forces of ukraine took control of more than 80 settlements in kursk region. in recent days, the ukrainian military has bombed key bridges in the kursk region, depriving the russians of supply routes. bridges across the seym river were an important logistical artery for russian forces. they supplied troops and moved weapons through these bridges. but today the russian media reported the destruction of the latter.