then the goal has been achieved, as far as why, for example, you have already mentioned, putin's position, is indicative, among other things, of the fact that if you recall how his political career began with the submarine disaster, the same thing actually happened, first silence, silence, silence. after four, it seems, ugh, a modest report began, well , there was such a small conflict there, but everything is in order there, we are in contact with the crew, then for a month and a half he told that he was fighting with the crew, well, it ended with that he with a smile on face answered the question, what happened to the kursk, she drowned, that's about it. this

is exactly the exact reaction algorithm that putin is currently using to the events that are currently taking place in the kursk region. at first, complete ignoring, well , it seems that nothing is happening at all, and then yes, well, a mosquito bit something, an insect crawled by, and he characterizes these events as events, events in the kursk region, and among other things... well, no i can say, of course, there is a thing about some kind of emotional explosion inside russia, there is no question, but at least there are certain citizens and public movements who are surprised, to put it mildly, by the kremlin's similar passive reaction to the fact that part of russia's territory is being taken under control by foreign troops, or rather, the armed forces of ukraine. but if so

, with one sentence or two, in your subjective opinion, this reaction will be, or will they still have to react, or will they try to do so in the following weeks, this week, the next, a month or two, belittle and somehow, as they say, detract from the topic, i looked at it several of these despicable... various political shows, including watching some analytics from the so-called good russian ones, and in principle, i agree with the thesis that today one of the reasons for this, so to speak, weak reaction of the kremlin is that the fact that, after all, the most decisive for the kremlin is the offensive on donetsk region, accordingly expect that there will be... from that direction to remove some

important large units in order to start liberating kurshchyna, i think that this will not happen, the kremlin is fine understand that on the continuation of offensive actions, in fact , there remains, well, about one and a half months, realistically, yes, then in october the rains will already begin and it will not be until the offensive, so putin has one and a half months left to solve the so-called donetsk... issue, i think that within during this term, one and a half months, no drastic movements will be made, but already, well, it seems to me, at least, there are already discussions, in this very zetserovysh, about the need to announce total mobilization and the need to involve conscripts to directly actions, thus i

conclude that the process of preparing public opinion for such actions has begun, and such actions will be implemented, but i still think that they will be implemented after it becomes physically impossible to study precisely in the donetsk direction. well, again, so to speak, the western media last week published information about the mobilization in russia. can be held in november of this year, that is , in about two to three months. mr. george, thank you very much to you for taking the time to join in and for your thoughts. georgy tuka, ex-deputy minister for temporarily occupied territories in 16-19 years, ex-head of the luhansk military-civilian administration in 15-16 years, founder and head of the volunteer group people's rear was. i remind you about our

survey, we continue to ask you whether you hope that the government will provide. transparency of the reconstruction of the ohmadit children's hospital, you can take your phones or smartphones, absolutely free to vote yes or no if you think so, 0800 211 381 if think not 0800, 211 382. once again , all calls are absolutely free, so join. iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee. of the verkhovna rada on foreign policy and inter-parliamentary cooperation, ex-commissioner on peace settlement in donbas live on the espresso tv channel in the new week. mrs. iryna, iryna, we are glad to welcome you, good

evening. glory to ukraine, i am very glad to join one of my favorite tv channels. glory to the heroes. ms. irina, the first topic that wanted to discuss with you. this is the formula for peace, peace, peace talks, in particular the washington post newspaper, an american publication, wrote about the disruption of the supposedly secret negotiations that took place between ukraine and russia due to the kurdish operation, well, in particular, if we add a little information, then in on august 24, representatives of ukraine and the occupying power... were to send negotiators to qatar regarding the cessation of strikes on energy and energy infrastructure in general from both sides, and in particular, the washington post allegedly writes, that these negotiations were disrupted due to

the kurdish operation, how do you evaluate such information, such articles that appear, could it really have happened? this and and or such things, they should, or such things should be made public, or society should know about any negotiations, even theoretical ones, that may take place between ukraine and the side of the occupying state? and first, i belong to those politicians who believe that the main negotiator at this stage is the armed forces. strength of ukraine. the strength and power of the armed forces of ukraine is being strengthened the negotiating positions of ukraine, no matter when peace negotiations begin, because it is obvious that any war, any conflict ends with peace negotiations. but today, the ukrainian armed forces are writing this formula for peace, and they need

to be helped in this, to be helped through, firstly, the strengthening of our military-industrial complex, sufficient provision of drones, missiles, shells and reinforcements. provision of western weapons, and for this we also all need to work more seriously outside, this is the first, second, as a person who participated in peace negotiations at one time, i want to say that we had one directive: to prevent a full-scale invasion, ah, and the minsk process, despite all the criticism, you know, it did a very important thing, first of all, it gave pause to the armed forces of ukraine, this opportunity to build up and be strong. and liberating the ukrainian territories step by step, but i know for sure that on the one hand they are negotiating, of course any, yes, they like silence, secondly, the russians can never be trusted, they only understand the language of strength, and the stronger ukraine will be, the more powerful it will be our position, we have to be strong from

the point of view of the armed forces of ukraine, we did the same with our diplomacy, so that we strengthened this anti-putin coalition, but despite the fact that... obviously, the negotiations have a certain character, society also has the right to know a certain truth , and here i want to again draw a parallel that every two weeks i informed at least my colleagues in the parliament about the progress of the negotiations, and president poroshenko met with the leaders of the factions in order to inform them about my vision of how we maintain the country as we strengthen the armed forces of ukraine as we liberate our territory. and i will remind you that we managed to liberate 70% of the occupied donbas at that time, the fact that today there is no such information, there is no dialogue even with the parliament, i do not consider it correct, and i will emphasize that there is another such interesting position, yes , we are prohibited from conducting any

negotiations with representatives of the russian federation, there are relevant decisions of both the parliament and the national security council, and actually, well, here and there, here and there, but once again i emphasize that... our key task as society, as politicians, as these - to strengthen the armed forces of ukraine, they are our main diplomat today and form this negotiating base, as strong as our positions will be. at any negotiations, well, in particular , the russian side allegedly denies that any negotiations took place at all, the russian side can actually deny a lot, let's now give a graph of what the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of russia zakharova said, she said that no one did not break, because there was nothing to break, no direct or indirect negotiations with and in quotation marks, the kyiv regime did not and is not

conducting security of civilian objects of critical infrastructure, well, again, they can say a lot, we, relatively speaking, cannot, so to speak, confirm or deny this information, we provide what what is declared, what is published by the foreign press, in particular the washington post, if we talk about other international issues in general, then... on august 23, on the day of the national flag of ukraine , the prime minister of india is scheduled to arrive in kyiv for an official visit mr. modi, who pre thus visited the aggressor state, met with putin. we understand that india is one of the key partners of the occupying power economically in one way or another. in fact, this is the first visit in history, in general. representative of such a level to ukraine, and already in the foreign

press there is information again that mr. modi can allegedly convey some message or message from putin to zelensky there. in general, how do you assess such a visit, is it necessary to communicate with india at this level, what topics should be discussed, what topics should be raised, and... could there really be certain messages from the side of fashion conveyed by putin to zelensky? well, first of all, what we have seen from putin's side until today, their scenario of russia, what they call their proposals for negotiations, it was called the capitulation of ukraine, it is obvious that there can be no treatment on the part of of ukraine, and i emphasize once again, we need to strengthen our armed forces. secondly, of course, we welcome prime minister modi's visit to ukraine, which is

very important, and what is the problem of the war now. unfortunately, the russian federation, she learned to circumvent sanctions. unfortunately, the countries of the global south did not join the sanctions. unfortunately, russia quickly found substitutes for its exports, and we see that even in those, the rocket that fell on ohmadit had them. elements of western technologies, western chips, this means that through third countries, the aggressor country can receive these dual-purpose goods or parts for its military production, and it is very important that we block such ways, as well as the expansion of the sanctions regime against russia federation. unfortunately, russia has money to continue the war. unfortunately, india is indeed one of the key trading partners. of the russian federation, in particular with regard to contracts for the purchase of russian energy carriers, and obviously there is an emotional

component to the visit, i hope that mr. modi during the visit will see the consequences of the genocidal practices of the russian federation, renaissance, ukrainian critical infrastructure and our capital, yes, if there is only in the capital, well, as a rule, after all, state leaders only visit the capital, this is all very important. component, it is also very an important signal, really, because this is really one of those visits that are important in terms of extending support to ukraine, and i think we can only welcome this visit, but it is important to prepare for it very clearly and talk about three things: india should be just as interested as all civilized countries in maintaining the territorial integrity of the country. of ukraine, for this it is necessary to stop the war, it can only be stopped by increasing

pressure on the russian federation, by strengthening the sanctions regime, by stopping procurement of energy carriers in the russian federation and through support programs for ukraine. mrs. iryna, i would like to talk with you about an even more important topic, which is law-making activity, where the verkhovna rada of ukraine is supposed to meet. yes, for almost a month the verkhovna rada of ukraine did not work, unfortunately, in the mode of plenary sessions, unfortunately, we saw that the verkhovna rada... the verkhovna rada ended its activities in july, for almost a month, without voting for the bill on the banning of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. well and in general we see that there are many other issues, volodymyr zelenskyi announced last thursday that there will be an

alleged meeting of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. and he noted several such packages, package bills or directions, including payments to military personnel who perform tasks on the territory of russia regarding the normalization of their legal activities, granting citizenship to foreigners who fight for ukraine, settling the issue of using trophy weapons, depriving state traitors titles and awards, well of course... it is also worth asking about the really urgent decision, which has been urgently adopted in our country for almost a year and a half regarding the banning of the russian church, which in the current week, if the verkhovna rada meets again, the bills are the most important for adoption, which you expect, that will be approved and which are possibly

controversial and problematic for the ukrainian state, well, now the conciliation council is in progress, i broke away from the conciliation, as well as the participants to include the tv channels on the air, because the conciliation in us today, unfortunately, not public, on the positive side, the verkhovna rada is finally returning to plenary sessions, and i am a great optimist, finally, about the fact that, thanks to the ideas of european solidarity, which , as you know, blocked the rostrum of the parliament with the demand to move to the second reading the draft law on... the security of national ukraine and the ban of these moscow peeps, that tomorrow it will be voted on in the editorial board of the committee, what is found here, i hope a healthy compromise and it will be a very correct decision by the day of independence, i want to remind that this became possible thanks to the tough position of european solidarity, the opposition of other factions, and secondly, i think, public opinion,

because any sociological polls today, which in one way or another are conducted by bankova... they indicate that ukrainians are aware that the moscow popes are not a church at all, they are a sect, a structure of the fsb, and every day the sbu uncovers new and new crimes involving the collaboration of at least representatives of this sect. and it is very important that, well, we know, there was an attempt to get a bank account another thomas, as long as it wasn't from poroshenko, and when they were also explained that this... well, this is this is some kind of delusion, i think that all of this somehow made the stars that we have tomorrow there is a good chance of passing this bill, so follow my telegram channel and our social networks in the conditions of the closure of the parliament, we will promptly inform you about it, you named a number of other bills that president

zelenskyi introduced to the parliament, they do not, in my opinion, have character sensational, because this is already the fourth law. project zelenskyi on dual multiple citizenship, and it is precisely around this that the discussion is going on during the conciliation council, it seems to be the right idea, and there are several draft laws that are stronger on how to simplify the acquisition of citizenship by those citizens who help the armed forces of ukraine and serve, it seems right idea, but i'm sorry, in this draft law, for example, there is a rule that it is not necessary to submit. and when with one hand we protect, you know, our language, strengthen our spiritual independence, and with the other hand we simply cross it all out, this impossible, so we, for example, do not see in this bill such very positive stories that can be voted on the basis as

a whole, the same applies to the bill about the very correct idea of ​​deprivation. rewards for traitors, i want to remind you that there has been such a bill in the parliament for several years, it was registered by mr. luzynskyi, our deputies, vyatrovych, knyazhytskyi, we are all its co-authors, but we have the wrong surnames, the correct bill was introduced by bankov, and there is a little otherwise , to be honest, the norms, which are also ours, follow we will discuss until the second reading, so i want to say that we are all for the parliament to work actively, for the parliament to work transparently when such bills are discussed. for sure, all ukrainians have the right to know all the positions and the essence of these laws, their essence, because the name is often the same, there are certain nuances inside, and actually it is very important, but... the essence, the body of the law, its content, correspond to us, and that's what we will fight for, our faction will fight, and as for banning moscow peeps, i

believe that this will be one of the key decisions of the verkhovna rada of the current convocation, if we are talking about the banning of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, a draft law that is probably expected by the majority of ukrainian society, in particular and according to the quiet. which we can see in the public domain, whether the draft law as it is today, with the amendments that were introduced a few days ago at the specialized committee, how effective it is and how much it will really be able to make impossible the influence of the russian orthodox church on religious organizations in ukraine, because we are good we understand that... that, conditionally speaking, tomorrow it will be approved, this does not mean that tomorrow there will no longer be, conditionally speaking, the russian church in ukraine, or the church that has

affiliation there, there is a certain extent i understand the procedure, and mr. stefanchuk spoke, the speaker of the verkhovna rada, spoke about the fact that there will be a transition period of nine months, as far as i understand, yes, and there is also a question of judicial procedure, a question... as far as i understand, the adoption of a profile by the commission on issues, on ecclesiastical issues, this whole set of facts, it really testifies about the fact that in 9 months, or at least in a year, we will take this step, even in this plan away from moscow, will there be certain moments of sabotage on the part of and... officials, and on the part of parliamentarians, and on the part of, of course , pro-russian forces that will delay this process, this is your subjective opinion, and we

are a legal state, so we really have to do everything necessary so that the procedure of banning this sect is legally, first of all, clean, so that that big moscow lobby, which unfortunately works both in ukraine and in the world, could not do it later cross these out. this is very important, secondly, it is obvious that this decision has a vote tomorrow and a political and legal aspect, as you correctly explained the logic of the bill, that a special commission will be created, which will appeal to the court if the prescriptions are not fulfilled, and during the period after already court decision , certain decisions will be made regarding this or that parish there, but i think that it is very important... a political post, a political signal, you know, like the adoption of tomos, it was definitely a historic decision that gave birth to a single local

the decision of the verkhovna rada, the decision of the verkhovna rada, this vote prompted the ukrainian orthodox church to convert, i hope that it will push the parishes to convert to the orthodox church of ukraine, because we are not talking about banning some religion, we are not talking about the religious aspect, we are talking about. .. exclusively about security, national security and defense, and excuse me, very often people who are used to going to church in their locality, they go to church, they are orthodox believers, and it does not even occur to them, yes, that they go to church which belongs to the russian and still patriarchy, there is no corresponding sign hanging there, just unfortunately, unfortunately, we have to finish, because but on a positive note, let's sum up the results of our, or rather

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there. to my ether, and we already see her in half a century, christina, hello, i'm glad to see you, well, today we exchanged roles a little bit, yes, as far as i understand, in relation to the previous weeks, yes, quite a bit, i hope, not for long , i hope you can hear me well now, because honestly, the problems with electricity in general across the country do not add stability and communication either. i am not currently in the capital, i am in another ukrainian region, which i am getting to know for the first time, i confess, and i can say once again that our country is absolutely beautiful with these regional features, with the features of each individual region, i could not help but reflect, i will not say where i am now, i will collect all this in a heap, all my

thoughts and i will definitely share them in... you of the defense forces, you know, no, i do not consider it the territory of our state, and in fact, it seems to me that we should be very careful now in defining these territories, there is a military operation , a defensive offensive, that is, an attack in order to in my defense, that's exactly what it looks like to me, absolutely. but you say, i asked this question for a reason, because i expected exactly such an answer, you see, well, then we will start, well, first we will add some information, in general, we will probably have two main topics today, as i already announced more than an hour ago, this is of course the topic of okhmadit, the topic of corruption, we will also talk about the ban of the russian orthodox

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