you know, no, i don't consider it to be the territory of our state, and in fact, i think we have to be very careful now in defining these territories, and there is a military operation of the defense forces, a defensive offensive, that is, an offensive to defend itself, to me it looks exactly like this, you are absolutely right , i asked it for a reason... the question because i expected exactly such an answer, you see, well, then we will start, well, first we will add some information, in general , today we will probably have two main topics like me already announced more than an hour ago, this is of course the topic of ahmadiyya, the topic of corruption, we will also talk about the banning of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, we talked about this with... to mrs. iryna iryna gerashchenko about

20 minutes ago, right? but let's start, perhaps, with our survey. nevertheless , we ask you whether you hope that the authorities will ensure the transparency of the reconstruction and restoration of the ohmadit children's hospital. you can take your phones or your smartphones absolutely free of charge. dial, call 0800. 211 381, if you think yes, and if you think no, 0800 211 30082. and i emphasize once again, all your calls are absolutely free, in 40 minutes we will sum up the results of this vote and we will see an objective picture of how people perceive these are viewers of our tv channel. well, the first topic, it's yours... it's difficult, it's difficult, because

there is a war in the country, and it's a topic of corruption, corruption, unfortunately, is still prominent in the perception of our citizens in our country, if we even take any -what polls, they they clearly say that people actually define two main such links of problems, it is war, it is aggression, it is danger and it is corruption. and this is corruption, with which it would seem that when the great war began, many people believed that there would be no more corruption, that corruption would end, that we would perceive our country differently, that officials would change, that the general approach to formation, especially issues of reconstruction, would change. especially issues, issues of allocation of funds for things related to the war.

related to honoring our defenders , but unfortunately, not here, as it was, it wasn't here. the first issue is the reconstruction of okhmatite, the loud scandals, unfortunately, continue, soon, in the near future, the okhmadit hospital reconstruction council will approve a new reconstruction plan, the hospitals that suffered as a result of the russian attack will be discussed on the air of a nationwide marathon. minister of health viktor lyashko informed the news. let's listen. the recovery council is currently being formed. on friday , there was already a meeting of internationalists and philanthropists who were selected, they select public organizations. in there will be an order on monday and either on monday or tuesday, the recovery council will approve a phased recovery plan, where they stand. and

priority measures aimed specifically at ensuring that all windows are installed, the general director of the hospital, okhmadyt, was removed from his duties by the minister of health, viktor lishko , on august 17, in particular, it was about the fact that the alleged the decision to declare the company the winner of the tender was made by the general director. okhmadityt volodymyr zhovnir, about which the public was informed, well, we too we see that the ministry made such a decision, many people took this information, many took this information quite negatively, someone blames the ministry, someone says that it is unlikely that the director of the hospital could make such decisions, but apart from that, in general, if we talk about corruption , well, listen,

the national war memorial cemetery, that's how the tender for the construction of the first phase of the company, which was actually created, immediately after the tender was announced, won. i will remind you that whether the day before, or the day before, actually there, that is we are talking about uah 1.75 billion, the deputy minister of energy, whose name is this man, the former deputy minister of energy, oleksandr khaylo, was actually detained last week, allegedly for the bribe he received, for the fact that... managers state enterprises of lviv-volyn, lviv-volyn coal basin to transfer the equipment of mines of pokrovsky district of donetsk region for use, there we are talking about a rather large sum, something up to 500, if i, yes, there was talk of something up

to 500 million hryvnias. in addition, the ex-chairman of donetsk oda, who is now the head of the antimonopoly committee, pavlo kyrylenko, his... because he was also informed of the suspicion of illegal enrichment for uah 56.2 million, this suspicion was issued by nabu and the sap, well, i am already silent there against kyiv region, this the last, probably , scandal, when the heads of the boryspil and bucha tsc were exposed in bribery, in various schemes, and there, too, we are talking about tens... and tens of thousands of dollars, well, only, so to speak, this is in the last weeks, for last days we have such a thing. christina, your opinion on this, why we are somehow mired in these

corruption scandals in recent weeks, recent months. andrii, i'm not sure what we've been loading into them in recent weeks, i... i think about it in the context of the fact that there has simply become more, so to speak, direct ether, there have been more investigations by journalists, the average ukrainian's view of these things, perhaps, despite the fact that it would seem that there is definitely something to do every day, work for victory, help the army, support the economy of our state. and so on and so on further, but it seems to me that it is not a scandal that has become more, it seems to me that it is just emerging, let's say so, a little more than, just a few months ago, why such an information wave, and what it can be

connected with, well, to be honest, i can assume that there are certain political processes in the countries. on which we depend, prompt certain questions for us as a country, for us as a society and for our leadership. dear, we understand the difficulty of your situation, but this does not mean that you can afford to remain like this as you are therefore, more exposures, and perhaps more intensive work, both in the informational field and in the pure field. purely law enforcement for example, this is how i now look at how our special services, the police, law enforcement officers work in general, and so on, so i think that we need more such cases, more such absolutely scandalous scandals, and on the one

hand, to be honest, for the sake of a joke, i'll probably say that i'm even happy about it, because when i see practice. steal as if there is no war, somewhere in my soul there is a hope that these people know more than i do, and they are probably absolutely sure of the future of our country, because we will win, that we will be prosperous, that there is nothing to fear at all, ukraine will be, and it will be possible to continue milking it as it is it was done decades before. and in any case it is good that the journalists are talking about it, and, that is, in any case, in

any case it is good that it comes out, because it would be much worse if it did not come out, and if these all the things were somewhere there... as they say, behind the cloth, and then in in such a case, well, i'm sorry, then this corruption would just multiply, multiply, multiply, if, if we didn't talk about it, but... on the other hand, it usually adds a certain disappointment to society, that is, there are two sides of the coin here, one side of the coin: yes, the journalists did a great job, so our task is to make sure that those people who are doing these things today are punished, or at least, at least not in their positions, but there is another question, why does this happen? , that still...... well still even in 2024 the month of august is on the calendar today, we still

have everything essentially the same as we had before february 24, 2022, this is not my question, i may know the answer to this question, i may not know, it may be my subjective point of view, but this is the opinion of the people, this is the opinion of the people, because i was not in kyiv... 2.5 weeks, and i communicated with people outside kyiv, in several regions of our country, and people are worried about it, ordinary people, ordinary people, from the cities and villages of our country, people whose relatives are fighting, who are rooting for ukraine, but it bothers them, they get disappointed, they even say things that you don't want to say on the air. they are sad, many people say because of this, well, that's it, well

, nothing changes in the country, well, even now, well, well, how can this be, and this is also a problem, this is a problem, and that's not the problem, that there is no need to highlight it, but the problem is that something needs to be done so that it finally becomes at least less, less, less, less, i understand that it is impossible to overcome corruption 100%, it exists in any country, but when we're talking about... i'm asking for ohmadit, when it comes to the national cemetery of our defenders, when it comes to the memorial cemetery, when it comes to things related to the provision of the defense forces, whether it is a question of humanitarianism for our people, well, i think here, at least, what are the conclusions should have been done, but it seems that for many people they have not been done, you have now listed all

these, let's say, countries in which these scandals take place, but both the memory of our fallen soldiers and the hospitals destroyed by russian missiles, and i don't know what the situation is in donetsk region was headed by a person who now... is suspected of enrichment in a situation where the donetsk region is not in a very good condition, to put it mildly, and even the same geilo, and we are talking about energy in our country, all these things , everything is now in our country, it's all about the war, it's all derivatives of war, and it's all connected to the war, so every time when such scandals happen with journalists, colleagues... we track and let people know and hear about it public, every time we, at the same time,

deliver into the hands of russian propaganda, which insanely effective and still works for western societies, we hand over the baton, i just don't know, the olympic torch, they say, carry, carry this image of ukraine, the country. bribery, a country of cronyism, a country of unscrupulousness, ugh, carry this image and sow it among those people on whom our existence in ukraine depends, because it is precisely from the average taxpayer in poland, germany, france, america, canada, any country , which helps us, our future depends on it, and it is not only about weapons for... the army, we are also talking about maintaining at least some kind of humanitarian

stability in our country, social stability and so on. and every time we expose these scandals, i think, my god, this is such a dilemma for journalists now to talk about it publicly, and on the other hand, to give another argument to russian propaganda. on the other hand, we simply don't have the right not to talk about it either, and one way or another, it's always us, the journalists. that's bad, let's not say, even worse, to be honest, andrii, i don't know how you are in your field of activity you are faced with... this dilemma, but sometimes it is difficult for me, and sometimes i think whether it is worth talking about it now, when we have, well, certainly other topics, so we can talk with you now, sorry for the situation in kurshchyna not in the military sense, in the way it affects the russians, the world, us, and so on, but no, we are talking about hale, an okhmadite

with a soldier, relatively speaking, and about kyrilenko, who quite probably, i think, what will the court say his word, somehow got quite rich during his leadership of the donetsk region, in a word, how do you deal with this dilemma in general, well, it really is a dilemma, because here , on the one hand, we have to understand, well, we won't say about it, well, well, there are people who, on whom today depends, in that including defense equipment. of ukraine, including the viability of the country, the viability of everyone, every person, well, let's assume that someone will not say, someone will not receive their patron, someone will not receive their treatment in ahmaddita, and not just someone, but 1, 2, 3, 5, for some it is a statistic, but in reality it is the life of people, this

the lives of children, young people, and even adults, if we... talk about other things, and if we don't talk about corruption, then someone won't build something, someone won't do something, help for someone is unreliable, our protector, conditionally , this is purely conditional theoretically, does not receive clothes, does not receive something there, some security, someone will not receive a military pension, and somewhere, for example, some object will not be protected and... this is also, sorry, people's lives, that is, here really there is a dilemma, we understand that for the internal situation in our country, for internal support of our country, financial support, of course, that it would be absolutely wrong to talk about the silence of such facts, if we are talking about communication with citizens, from

the point of view, i was talking about the disappointment of citizens, here too... it arises, well, citizens will not to know, but again, citizens will not receive any service or any protection in such a case, there is also a dilemma here, and the third thing, what khrystyna said just now, there is also a reason for this, of course, it consists in , that russian propaganda takes every such case and carries it, about more than that, overpaying in foreign countries, overpaying. foreign bloggers, and even more, let's not go far, pays for our so -called ukrainian bloggers who fled abroad, who are now, i apologize, ukraine everywhere, telling how bad it is here, who, how here there, well, in general there is authoritarianism, then everything, everything is bad, here we fled from ukraine, crossed

the border there, gave someone a bribe, and this is also, unfortunately, a reality, i think that here it is necessary to... talk about some combination of the fact that the state must effectively, at least try to effectively fight corruption, corrupt people, minimize these things, and on the other hand, we must also demonstrate our positive cases in the international arena when we talk about the information war, when we talk about the fact that we should represent ukraine. the world, that we have to convey our point of view in any country of the world, here too we have to invest in it, russian propaganda, it will always be, it will be, even if it is not there, they will invent it , they will invent it, they will talk about it write, they will lie about it, it will still happen, we need to show our opinion,

our country, our positive things, we should have positive things, including some... solutions, positive cases, positive directions that we will demonstrate for our international partners, for citizens of other countries. for example, a positive case can be a business in ukraine, a business in ukraine that, despite the fact that there is a war in the country, is working like clockwork today. go to any region of our country, even to the frontline, go to kharkiv, go, even in zaporizhzhia, i'm already silent, go. in the center of the west of our country, we have business cases of how people develop, how people provide services, how people relocate their production, and this is also... i see it, including traveling around ukraine, how they relocate production from one region to another region, and these are positive things, this is something that

most likely other states, which are rather bureaucratized, could not do so effectively, people in our country were able to do this, these are positive stuff, that's who we are should show what we should talk about. listen, i'm not even afraid to say this, we also have to pay some publications to show, that's fine, to show that this is ukraine, this is how it is, this is our people, this is our business, it's just one a small example, one small example, and it should also be, but finalizing, finalizing this topic, i believe that to silence... corruption from the local level to a high even level, well , it's still not worth it, because if we

to do, relatively speaking, after the end of the war or victory, well, it can be a different concept for everyone, and we will simply find ourselves in the same closed circle that we were in for decades after the restoration of independence, when corruption, corruption. corruption, corruption, if we don't break this vicious circle now, when we have the opportunity to do it, and there is help from international partners, there is the will of the people to do it, then we will never do it, i'm sorry, but that's right, absolutely agreeable, and another such very important moment, the psycho-emotional state of ukrainian society now incredibly sensitive, this is due to... with almost three years of stress from a large-scale invasion, this is due to the fact that in our society

, life looks very, very contrasting, so for some, war is a daily story, for someone it is, someone may not see it with their eyes, but feel it, as they say, with their spinal cord. someone blocks it in their mind, tries to deceive themselves, and tries not to see it, but this psycho-emotional state in which ukrainian society is, it now very sensitive, and all these drops of betrayal, drops of scandals about corruption, they only fuel inside people, you know that. from the evil one, why should i do anything, if there is such a mess going on there on the mountain, if they allow themselves to steal there on the mountain, what

should i contribute last, or there penultimately, but from my own pocket, and this is a very dangerous story in a situation where, let me remind you that domestic donation is still very important for ukrainian. army, and we are still dependent on donations from ordinary people, even the smallest ones donations of ordinary people, when we talk about consumables, we are talking about cars, we are talking about drones, we are talking about many, many other useful, really useful staff for our military, which is not provided solely by the support of our partners and is not provided from the budget so far, well here it seems to me that we have a separate topic for conversation for... there is our next program, and have we done enough at the management level in the country so that the military receives the maximum. khrystyna, i have to interrupt you because i want to remind you about our relationship

you poll, whether you hope that the authorities will ensure the transparency of the reconstruction of ohmadite. take your phones or smartphones, absolutely free, call 0800 211 380. 1 if yes, 0800 211 382 if not. i remind you once again, all calls are absolutely free and you and i will receive results in about 15 minutes. well, well, and for sure, andriy should move on to our next topic, i'm sorry, i can't hold back anymore, so i'm just going to take you away. in a word, since in the new week we are not only talking about what is happening here and now. but also about what awaits us, most likely this week, we cannot but talk about the work of the verkhovna rada and about, as we were promised, almost one of the first decisions that

must be passed. and i will remind you that in the near future we are expecting a decisive word regarding, this is still the case, but this name is applied to the draft law, but it is already general, the ban on the russian orthodox church, in fact we are talking about draft law 8371, on the ban on the activities of religious organizations, the governing center, which are located in the country of the aggressors, well, the committee of the verkhovna rada is also these. the other day with of humanitarian and information policy unanimously approved the amendments to this draft law, in the second, in the second reading and in general we are waiting for the vote. it is also interesting that the council of churches has had its say on this matter, and the all-ukrainian council of church-religious organizations appears to support a legislative initiative regarding the prohibition of the activities of religious

organizations in ukraine related to, i quote: partnership relations and freedom of religion and their protection from on the part of the state is the basis of state-confessional relations in ukraine, and no organization, whether religious or secular, which has its center in ukraine, which carried out military aggression against our people and is led by the aggressor state, cannot operate in ukraine. we support the legislative initiative. the president of ukraine regarding the impossibility of the activities of such organizations in our country, which also has broad political and public support, the appeal states. well, all eyes are on the verkhovna rada these days, andriy, this is exactly your topic, i tracked, researched, had many different conversations with people's deputies, and expert the environment that worked on this solution.

please tell me your opinion. in the coming days, we will get out of the closed circle of the presence of russian agents in the religious and social life of our country, is this bill not a solution and not a panacea? well , it's really a new week, it should finally mark that decision, which is no longer overdue, which was overdue many years ago, in my opinion, but... from a legal point of view, it was possible to vote last year, as minimum of 2023, and we are really approaching this bill, i say this again, the government bill that was finalized by the people's deputies, which is, in my opinion , a compromise, that is, which does not ban the russian orthodox church in ukraine

at once, well, i say conditionally. prohibits the russian orthodox church, but it is clear that there is a transition period, there are 9 months, so we spoke an hour ago with mrs. iryna, people's deputy, gerashchenko, people's deputy, and i once again clarified with her whether i was right, whether i read it all correctly , then indeed, there is this transitional period of nine months period, moreover, we must understand that this draft law, that this law, if it becomes a law,... is not prohibited there, but there is essentially given to the relevant court or commission dealing with this issue, the right to prohibit these sub objects, that is, you and i must understand that this will not be a quick process, it will be a legal process that will allow the ukrainian

state in the legal field... to help us finally deprive us of the presence of the russian orthodox church or its followers, its parts there in ukraine , but again, this also requires political will, political will - not to come to an agreement with - here are such environments, not to try to make this church there under... someone's control, the political will to really liquidate or cancel the legal registration of those subjects, of which, by the way, there may be thousands in ukraine, if we are talking about specific people who come there, so to speak, as they are, as they call them, then, in fact, it can be everyone, everyone...