glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we are conducting a survey throughout the broadcast. today we are asking you about whether the russian orthodox church will cease its activities in ukraine after the adoption of the law, meaning the law banning the activities of russian religious organizations. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube. if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers if you do you think that the current law passed by the verkhovna rada will stop the activities of the roc in ukraine, please call 0800 211 381, not 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will

summarize ... this vote. we have our first guest, roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for joining the broadcast. good evening. sir colonel, since we are asking our tv viewers about this law, which was adopted by the verkhovna rada today in its final version, in the final version, i would like to... ask you, as i ask our tv viewers, whether the roc will stop its activities in ukraine after the adoption of this law ? well, this is a very important step, and this, let's say, the parliament confirmed that it recognizes the danger of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and it must cease its activities unequivocally, but, if we speak from a legal point of view, whether it will cease to exist tomorrow, then no, there is procedures to be followed. where

there is a special commission there that has to prove that they are prohibited in our country, it is not specifically written about the rps, in our country all religious organizations are prohibited, the center of which is the aggressors in the country, but now this task will be to prove that the russian orthodox church or its, let's say, leaders, they are the center of the aggressor country, it is clear to us, but we understand that this has been proven since the 14th year, and there are legal points where they tried in the courts... to prove that they are already independent church, this is, you know, the instinct of self-preservation them that at this moment we will renounce russia, we will say that we are the church of ukraine. therefore, if everything is done correctly, if there is a principled position of the political authorities, if there is a principled political position of the special services, then i think so. colonel, please explain to me why, in a time of war, if a church, any church or religious organization...that

threatens national security and defense cannot be closed down, its activities cannot be stopped, given that that it harms national interests and security of ukraine. well, first of all, we have a constitution that allows and ensures freedom of speech for everyone, and secondly, once again, the big question here is the security service, which must prove that this entire religious organization... it bears such consequences, not specifically some parish or some priest who is there, but this is how the legislation is written, that is why the decision was made directly to implement it in the law, that all religious organizations whose center is in the country of the aggressor, it has to be banned in ukraine, so now i think that under this one will be developed, let's say this whole mechanism, how it will be prohibited and how this law will be implemented, i say once again, it will now depend. well, first of all

, the president has to sign it, i hope he will do it, and secondly, it is already a matter of implementing this draft law, that is , the verkhovna rada has done its job, now it is a matter for the president and the president's office, we understand, that all the special services are there anyway, in principle the executive power, it is directly linked to the president's office, that's how everything works here now, so if it, if there will be problems here, then everyone knows where... and to whom to ask. today, colonel, the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted a law on the status of military personnel fighting on the territory of the russian federation, which guarantees them the same payments and preferences as on the front lines. briefly, what does this law change? well, it was forbidden in our country, we understand, we have a doctrine of defense, and we had, let’s say, to fight, our soldiers fight only on the territory of their own state, but... we understand that the format of hostilities

changes, in order to impose its initiative on russia, inflict losses on them and conduct asymmetric actions, and the operation in the kursk region are just examples. and symmetrical actions, we are forced to seize russian territories, occupy them and hold them in order to somehow influence the situation, so now, let's say, not only have we legalized, we have confirmed the status of our military, those who are in that territory, this is a formal history for these military to be protected by law. mr. colonel, last week you visited kurshchyna, were in the war zone. where, in fact, this kurdish arc, the new kurdish arc, is being formed, and what are your impressions of what you saw, how it contrasted with what you saw in the east and the south, in the east in the 14th year, in the south in in 2022, that is

, how did the hostilities on the territory of the russian federation differ from the hostilities in the east and south of ukraine. well, the hostilities in general on the territory of ukraine are different from the hostilities on the territory of the russian federation, we can also talk about the east, when we conducted anti-terrorist operation, when the separatists, who were supported there by the russians, also used the local population, we remember who stopped our convoys there, and in particular they were ukrainians who were there, let's say, with their vision and those who supported they were raised by the russians, this is a separatist... they were also raised by the russians, let’s say, they were controlled, but they went out and stopped these columns, then, when the war began, uh, full-scale, in the 22nd, all of them were already in those territories where the russian

federation invaded, our entire population left, we we remember this rise of our country, which, starting from handing over the coordinates of the russians to... hearing the pouring, spilling of molotov cocktails and all the other support there, queues for the military officers, then everything was like this, then the whole of ukraine looked like this the impulse is defensive, what is happening in the russian federation, well , our troops simply entered, encountered military personnel, russian, some conscripts, some fsb soldiers, destroyed someone, took someone prisoner and... and began to move on, i did not see and did not heard at all there are no stories about how the local population resisted or went out into the streets, how our tanks were stopped there with ukrainian flags,

none of the civilian population of the russian federation resisted, on the contrary, well, here is a story that there are such... villages near the border and such, as you can call them, they are called royal villages there, customs officials, border guards, such local elite fed there, then when they were the first to flee, ordinary local residents who were there, of course yes, the middle class remained there, or below the middle class, then they, you know, in principle, often we, well, often we will say, the military observed a robbery, a robbery, then they, they made a good living there in their own. neighbors in the past, so such a story was observed, but no one opposed the defense forces of ukraine, well , in general, maybe some single ones, i don’t know about them, but in general, well, i don’t know of a single case , mr. colonel, how

realistic is the creation of a buffer zone in kurchyna, which the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine spoke about, and the maintenance of this of the buffer zone, obviously it is... not only about the kursk region, but also about the bilhorod region, voronizka and bryansk, because these are the most critical lines of the ukrainian-russian border, and they are probably the least vulnerable, so that the combat zone from kharkiv oblast and from sumy oblast and ending there in zaporizhzhia oblast is there. in which area, in principle, this is a very large front line, how realistic is it to keep what was taken, now captured by the ukrainian defenders, and the expansion of this buffer zone, well, along the entire border, look, you can't say that here, just

to what extent, it's realistic in general, but as of now, for example, it's realistic, for example, if the enemy withdraws all his combat-capable troops tomorrow. from the eastern direction and throw it there, then of course we will have to reinforce there, so everything will depend on many factors, what are the enemy's forces and means, what are our reserves, what are our opportunities for replenishment. for us with ammunition, there with mobilization resources and all that, this is in relation to the kurdish direction, if we talk there about the creation of an entire zone, such sanitation along the entire border, for this we need huge ones, even russia, i think, will not be able to afford it under the conditions, if we put up a normal resistance, because it is thousands of kilometers of the border, and if we keep combat-capable troops there, who will be able to resist, not such soldiers as the russians, which we have come thanks to our fighting brig. enough, let's say, for sure, this requires serious forces and means, which russia has shown

that they do not have, they are using them right now in the pokrov direction, where they are pressing, i i think that the issue of the sanitary zone is , if you can say, trolling our president in the direction of putin, who we remembered was the first to declare, after belgorodchyna, where the russian volunteer corps worked, that russia would create. zone, i think that our president, as a person who knows humor like that, just trolled him in the way that you wanted, and we did, because that's how it looks now, of course, there are jokes with jokes, but there our military conducts serious offensive and active actions, which bring these fruits, i think that the consequences of the kurdish operation are already there, but the main consequences are yet to come, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi... explained, mr. colonel, that kyiv did not warn the world about the preparation of the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in

the kursk region, because it might seem unreal. let's listen to what zelensky said. a few months ago, many people in the world, if they had heard that we were planning such an operation, would have said that it was unreal and that it was the crossing of supposedly the reddest of all. red lines that exist in russia, precisely because in fact, no one has heard of such our preparation, and now the real success of our soldiers speaks for itself, our active defensive actions, that side of the border and putin's inability to protect his territory from such defensive actions of ours are very eloquent. mr. colonel, russia has one valid argument left. which until now they have not used in the war against ukraine, and in general in any wars - this is

a nuclear weapon, when the great russian-ukrainian war was just beginning, and when the ukrainians talked about the fact that we would liberate crimea, then putin and medvedev, his inner voice and outer voice, repeated that if there is an attack on our country and part of our territory is captured, or part of our territory goes to...ukraine, alluding to crimea, then maybe we we will use nuclear weapons. at the current stage, according to your opinion, are all these ready-made kremlin brothers still ready to press the red button and cross the red line beyond which the united states of america and china convince them not to cross. well, we don't, we can't nothing to exclude, because it is russian. federation, we thought the same way, are they ready to make a full-scale invasion in the 21st

century, we see that they are ready, are they ready to hit the civilian population with missiles, we see that they are ready to demolish everything there, kill children, we see that russia can do all this, throw their people on assaults without reason and kill them by the thousands in a day, they can also, therefore, exclude and now say that they will not be able to 100%, i would not , what you are right geopolitically... a lot countries that i think have warned them about it, including the big players like china and the united states, and when we talk about the consequences, i just don't know what the consequences could be, if i were there , the united states and understood that russia can use nuclear weapons, even tactically, it is not super destructive there, it is not like that, that is why tactical weapons are not super destructive. there, kilometer by kilometer , it can destroy everything that is there, or not everything that is there,

but destructive, so it can be said that putin can use something so small to show that he is ready to continue to escalate, so of course it would be important here for our diplomats and, for example, for our partners to say, look , the budapest memorandum was signed, and if it comes to ukraine, you can fight there with conventional weapons, this is ukraine's right, we help them. you have your own weapons, much more, you fight, but if weapons are used in ukraine, we, within the framework of the budapest memorandum, will transfer ukraine has an equivalent ammunition that will be... used on the territory of ukraine, for example, tactically . they said that, there is nothing like that here, it is about intentions to fulfill their commitments that were made a long time ago, if this were to be announced, i think it would reduce by an order of magnitude the possibility

of russia using nuclear weapons, because of course russia is now thinking... there is no ukraine, we have and this is our last such trump card, which we can always use, use, if there was such a thing, i think it would make them think very hard before doing anything. by the way, the belarusian dictator oleksandr lukashenko, who has been rattling his guns for the past two weeks and saying that we will now bring our troops to the ukrainian-belarusian border because drones are flying from there, meaning from the territory of the ukrainian state, says that ... by attacking kurshchyna, kyiv can provoke moscow to use it nuclear weapons. let's listen to what lukashenko said. such escalation on the part of ukraine is an attempt to push russia to take asymmetric actions. well, suppose the use of nuclear weapons. i know, for sure, that in ukraine they would be very happy

if russia, or we there, used tactical nuclear weapons. that would be happiness. then we would hardly have any allies left, none at all, not even those countries that sympathize . how do you, mr. colonels, assess the possibility of expanding the front already along the line of ukraine and belarus, at the expense of this, or their the army can create problems for us, well, it means both training and numbers. of the army, because lukashenko says that on our side of the border there are 120,000 soldiers in the armed forces, as far as i remember, the army of belarus, if i am not mistaken, consists somewhere of the order of 25-30 thousand men, or am i mistaken, well, yes, somewhere around this number, well, i

like how lukashenko, as we speak, or the russian federation, the fact that on his territory there, in russia... how come we don't have this confirmation and, let's say, placed nuclear munitions, she them placed for itself, and belarus and lukashenko with their dictatorial, shall we say, rule, it is only a storage place for these munitions , a warehouse, let's say, for the russian federation, it has no right to use it, it is just a warehouse in which russia, i repeat once again, keeps these dangerous ammunition, so what he says: what he will be able to use, he will not be able to use anything, because no one will give him such a right and opportunity, as for belarus itself, again, look, we cannot exclude anything in the war, but as of now, as the intelligence says, there is no direct threat from belarus, russia can use them, of course, they are used again as pawns, in general they are used

as they want, to say that belarus is now a sovereign state, russia does whatever it wants with them , attacks the neighboring lands. countries through them, then to rule something out now, and to say that no, belarus is sovereign there and makes its own decisions, we cannot do that, that is why they are a threat to us, the same as the russian federation, which we must pay attention to. thank you, mr. colonel, thank you for the conversation, it was a people's deputy of ukraine, a colonel of the security service of ukraine, roman kostenko. friends, i would like to remind you that we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms, on youtube and on facebook for... who is watching us live there now, please do not forget to subscribe to our channels and also to our pages, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether the russian orthodox church will stop operating in ukraine after the adoption of the law by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you watch us

on tv, you can vote by the numbers if you think that the approval of... will stop the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine 0821381 no 0800 211 382 vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote further on, we have oleksiy hetman, a military analyst, a reserve major of the national guard of ukraine, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. mr. major, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good evening to you, mr. major, i can come right away i'll start without question. come on, the colonel just talked a little bit, he didn't emphasize some things about the use of nuclear weapons, two words literally, come on, first, international, international. prohibits the use, well , if a country places its military in another country according to some agreements, then that country, or whoever owns the weapons,

is responsible for launching these missiles and is responsible for their safety and fully for their weapons, i.e. all maintenance germany is not a nuclear country , there are nuclear weapons in turkey nuclear weapons, in other countries, that is, it is prescribed in international law, as well as nuclear weapons that are transferred to... belarus, well, the belarusians have the right only to guard the perimeter, this is, first of all, because according to international law, and as the russians can and do not want to use this international, international law, then no one will allow lukashenka or anyone else to dispose of their own nuclear weapons, who knows where he has what he has, where he will be cursed and where they will launch it, so here he should not tell there, nothing like that can't happen, the last one is very short, tactical nuclear weapons can be used, but uh... a warhead, a nuclear charge is charged before launch, an intercontinental ballistic missile, a mine there is different, they are already with a nuclear charge, and it is a tactical nuclear weapon, it is in

warehouses and only before use it is loaded into missiles, and when the movement of these munitions from warehouses to missiles begins, we immediately record it, so far there have been no movements, no loadings, and according to our intelligence data, it is not expected in the near future. record countries that actually also have nuclear weapons, control the movement of nuclear, nuclear charges that are being transported, it is clear that in a situation when putin and lukashenko declare that there are some warheads, nuclear warheads, they are on the territory of the belarusian state, that is is not included in these agreements of international, international treaties, when... we are talking about states that possess a nuclear state, weapons, declare and live according to certain rules, that is, what putin uses

belarus as a warehouse for nuclear weapons, and it is not yet a fact, as kostenko has already said, it is not a fact that there are warehouses with nuclear weapons, but this is the last, and the last, all these missiles, iskander, x101, all these rockets which use ballistic and cruise missiles, which are used against us, they can all carry a nuclear charge, that is, they were developed for this reason, so to say that they put there, you know, it is so pathetic, they put in belarus, for example, there are missiles that can carry a nuclear charge they can all carry a nuclear charge, and x101, and x550, and a caliber, a dagger and all that, except for these s300 and 400, they can all carry, i count on that, that is , you can load explosives, cassettes there. munition, the nuclear munition that was loaded, will fly, that's why they say that it's scary, that they gave some missiles that can bring in, yes , they could do it in russian initially and can, well, that's it, absolutely sure, eh, mr.

major, president zelenskyy says that ukrainian defense forces already control more than 1,250 km of enemy territory in kurshchyna and 97 settlements, let's hear what he says for... ukrainian soldiers continue the defensive operation in certain areas of the kursk region. today, our forces control more than 1,250 km of enemy territory and 92 settlements. we are continuing to strengthen our positions. stabilization of certain areas, and what is very important, replenishment of the exchange fund for ukraine. mr. major, how long will the ukrainians

be able to hold out and what might be the consequences of the presence of ukrainian troops on the territory of the kurdish region, and how will this affect the ukrainian-russian war and front? well, it already affects. how long can we stay there, i think until the end of the war, because after blowing up the bridges across the river, across this one, we made a sejm, yes, we made almost impossible attacks by our groups that are there, well, such speedy maneuvers, nowhere and there is nothing for the russians to attack there, what they collect there, 10, 20 or 30 thousand different estimates, it will not be enough to do anything there, we will conduct defensive maneuvers and we can do a lot there, to... because we have according to the international the rights of humanitarian law, to provide

food and medicine. those people who remained there , the civilian population, because everything is no longer working there, everyone, everyone has left, and if people, people want to eat, we have to feed them, as strange as it sounds, if they are sick, we have to treat them, if they need medicine, we must provide them with medicine, well , we must provide them with water, so that they have electricity, so that, well , slippers, in short, let’s also have a pension, well, this is international humanitarian law, you will not get anywhere from here, what kind of military, you you know, i think so. it is not quite correct to separate exclusively what is the military component, and what is the military-political component, and what is the military media component, and what is the international component, these are all related things, and when we cross something out separately, well, maybe with to find out that everything did not go as well as we would have liked, well, if we exclude the purely military component, well, firstly, we forced the russians

to withdraw troops there... , well, no, at best they canceled it, at worst they suspended it the possibility of the russians to attack the sums, as they planned, taking into account the attack on the kharkiv region, well, if things are related to the brothers, then the chaos in the russian military command begins, there are plans to arrest generals, our actions from the point of view of our international partners, encourage, already encourage, there is no such word, but fiction, to increase aid. and some countries that hesitated may join the aid, well, maybe not for nothing , the minister, yes, the prime minister of india should arrive in ukraine on flag day on the 23rd, it is unlikely that he will come with ultimatums, will come, we will talk about something, well , i think we will agree on something, and many such things, which are related, but, well , what has happened now is that the commander of

kursk was removed there. a military operation was set up by the fsb, well , other things, so as not to enumerate in a circle, this also has an effect on the troops, on combat operations, on the results of the war, just break it down like this, well, you know, i was once such an example, he is not a military man, they taught how, well, it doesn't matter who taught what, but there is such a very interesting thing, when a person, well, a child fell in love there stupidly there. uh, well , that’s what old grandfathers and great-grandfathers told me, how can you dissuade a person from a stupid childhood crush, so that you don’t regret it later, and now you have to ask two questions about this to this child, who grows up, you love this girl, yes, he says yes, but what exactly do you

love most about her, and a person falls into a hundred. you see the general picture, well, it may be a little mean thing from the point of view of the parents, but immediately from the image, from the general picture , you distinguish what can be clarified there, you do you like the hands or the legs more, or the eyes or, that is, everything, and when you lay out the general picture on the shelves like this, then take something separately, and it may not be like that, but what is very beautiful here? no, maybe it is more beautiful, that is, and then the overall picture is lost, it is such a rather vile pedagogical move, well, i was told that if necessary, well , thank god, i have grown children, so i did not have to do such a thing, but it is also possible, maybe not the best example, but i did not find another one, because i did not prepare for such examples, but if everything that happened in the chicken roch is laid out on the shelves, what

kind of international is there? well, what a great influence, could we have done more and so on, and then it is spent, let's make a very powerful and very influential action, which in the complex will give us many advantages in the future, not only the exchange fund, everything else, and it will be already gives and will continue to give advantages in international relations, in destabilizing the situation in the russian federation, raising the morale of our troops and including of people who have already started there... such a depressive state begins in them, so, to be honest, i don't think it 's right to exclude one thing and discuss it without connecting it to another, well, yes it doesn't work, beyond any doubt, obviously, obviously remains to be seen.