there is no bank street, i think that each of them would have more than one volume of criminal proceedings and suspicions, which could have enough grounds for these people to submit their mandate and leave the parliament. and there is already a reaction from the uoc mp, the head of the information and educational department of the uoc metropolitan klyment said in a public comment that he will continue to live in the ooc mp. as a true church, any attempt to ban it would discredit those who seek it. the ukrainian orthodox church will live, and this an objective thing, any attempt to ban an objective thing only leads to discredit, including international discredit, and those who want to implement it somehow. mr. volodymyr, as far as i understand, the biggest problem will be in the application of norms. of this law to actually demonstrate

the connection of any religious organization, we are not talking only about prop, but obviously there may be other churches that have connections with the aggressor country, this is to prove that this church is affiliated with the russian orthodox church or with some russian churches , others, that is, it will be the largest the biggest problem. there won't be any particular problem in this serhii, i am the law contains seven criteria, as compliance with one of these criteria means a connection with the russian church with the center of moscow. moreover, i even want to say that at one time, about a year or so ago, just in time for the implementation of the decision of the national security council, we already had an examination conducted by the state service for politics and freedom and conscience, which revealed that there is a connection between the so-called ukrainian orthodox church with the moscow patriarchate, so it's not really that much of a problem, because... actually hide these

organizational ties are actually impossible, and the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate was not really going to hide them, believing that the situation could change again, that they made a fuss and that was the end of it, we will somehow stay, no, we didn't stay, the law was passed, so not now they themselves are faced with a choice, either to break those ties with moscow and act by merging either with the orthodox church of ukraine, or as some separate structure. or to stop their activities, they perfectly understand that the situation has already changed, so they are silly comments about objective reality, they are not about anything, reality has changed after the adoption of this law, and they are obliged, trying to act in the legal field of ukraine, to adapt to this reality. thank you, mr. volodymyr, ms. solemia, for russians, the existence of a controlled church, the russian orthodox church, is not enough. is always important, that is, putin

has repeatedly spoken publicly about this spiritual unity, that we came from the same root or from the same church there, well, of course, this is the basis that he tried to pump up during the last 24 years of his stay in power, it testifies to the fact that, obviously, it is not so easy from the side. this process will take place in russia, and it is obviously quite a painful process for putin himself, who lives in some of his illusions and makes up his pseudo-historical intelligence and tries to explain the unity of ukrainians and russians. what do you think the reaction of putin, who always counted on the roc, well on ... the goal of the russian orthodox church

in ukraine, now it is called the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, will they somehow manage to preserve their influence on some parishes, can they rename some, well, create some church there, call it, conventionally speaking, the ukrainian church there and leave their connections and theirs here. well, first of all, you are right, religion in the concept of the russian world plays one of such important places, in particular in documents, by the way, the russian world is clearly spelled out in the decrees and orders, in particular of the president of the russian federation, and unfortunately , we remember precisely due to the spread of this russian measure, a second one began in the 14th year under the pretext of protecting such people who profess russian peace and... language is one of those

factors and ending with 202 the start of the big invasion so you're right, i really highly doubt it's just about... moreover, there will be more than the other way around and if we 're talking the uoc, very often, by the way, the judicial branch of the government, this is very common, they are the people who support, by the way , the roc, or the uoc, who are often beautiful and great people, who finance a large part of the construction of these churches, so i i believe that there will be a huge amount of sabotage at the level of... decision-making at the level of the courts, and we will we have to prepare for this, i believe that this will be one of our biggest challenges in terms of the ability of people or the political commission of freedom of conscience to prove where there are violations and the question of what kind of people are working today in

this commission, what they are lobbying for, what interests how will they behave and the second essential instance, that is why we are entering a very long, large, complex phase, possibly and definitely more complex than even tuku started, by the way, the land, and we at the local levels continued decommunization, decolonization, this lot is a bigger challenge for us, and here we will have to work completely professionally, starting with lawyers and ending with public pressure in the courts and not allowing these things to be on the public plane, but when discussing this bill or the law that has already been passed, we always discussed how in religious . will exist and what will be the order of the existence of these religious organizations, which were once either connected or are connected with the russian federation, but we practically did not discuss how the parishioners will react, many people who are used to

to go there to the moscow priests, and very often in my social networks i start writing about these decisions of the verkhovna rada, they come and start... telling us, we, we are doing so well, and we will somehow live with it, that are you telling us, mr. volodymyr, whether this issue was discussed, let's say, work with the parishioners so that they clearly understood that the church they went to was an enemy church, and in some way to convey audience and... the public that such a church has no right to existence on the territory of ukraine. i think that the majority of parishioners, even in the ukrainian orthodox church, are there not because it is a moscow church, not because they like putin, but because of some simple traditions, because they believe in a particular

priest there, and so on. so, actually, the law provides for the possibility for these people to continue to stay. of the same parish to pray in this church, if they are ready, or to switch to the orthodox church of ukraine, the law provides for an easier procedure for switching to the orthodox church of ukraine, as the only legitimate canonical orthodox church now in ukraine, or may continue as some separate church separated from russia. i am sure that for most of these people, this organizational connection with russia is not fundamental, unfortunately, it is... fundamental for the hierarchy of this church, who, in fact, were the agents of the russian peace in ukraine, unfortunately, they were this organizational link is fundamental for many priests, priests of this church, who were actually this nervous link between

moscow and kyiv, therefore the task of our the bill from the very beginning was not to prohibit someone from praying, but to break these organizational ties, i am sure that after the break. of these organizational ties, those people for whom prayer to god is really important will pray to god, regardless of the fact that it will not be done through moscow. thank you, mr. volodymyr, friends, i would like to remind you that we are working live and today we are conducting a survey throughout our entire broadcast, we are asking you about whether the russian orthodox church will stop operating in ukraine after the adoption of the law, yes, no, everything is on youtube quite simply, yes or no, or your own opinion, please write in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381, if you believe that the adoption of the law, after the adoption of the law , the russian orthodox church will cease to operate in ukraine, not immediately, of course, but it will cease. no 0800 211 382. all calls to

these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. another important topic is volodymyr and ms. solomiya, who is standing, and the problem facing ukraine is the fight against corruption, the internal corruption front is pressing, and we can see from the reports from nab tap, we receive messages almost every day, deputy ministers, heads of the tsc, and heads of various state institutions and structures, they are accused of receiving bribes, of not living on a salary, and we remember that on august 27, 23 year, almost a year ago, volodymyr zelenskyi said that he would... introduce a bill to the verkhovna rada on equating corruption with treason, but as far as i

i remember, and perhaps correct me, such a bill was not introduced, what is the reason for this, is ukrainian legislation sufficient to fight ukrainian corruption, and why is there so much corruption, why do we see so many cases of corruption during the war, ms. solimi . well, first of all , it is necessary to ask fellow public servants why the president did not introduce it, or those who really work with the president, it is unlikely that we will find the right answer as to why it was not introduced, but in fact, to be honest, i personally was already fed up with changes legislation, responsibility for corruption and in the fight against corruption in the industry, because the number of bodies that have been created in the last 10 years is already beyond measure, and every time there is a question of the effectiveness of these bodies, work, activity. and whether they sufficiently reveal corruption, whether they themselves are not corrupt, whether they themselves do not prosecute and

do not have a conflict of interest in themselves when they investigate, we have gone into simply endless reports, in particular public figures, which relate to just an immeasurable number of years and family, which must now report to those people who hold certain positions, so it seems to me that we no longer have any issues with the legislation here, the biggest issue is with implementation, especially with respect to the introduction of verdicts in certain cases, in particular, to things that do not concern only ministries and executive authorities, deputies, but also local self-government bodies, very often their heads. is it once, twice, or is it enough, do you think why, why do we see so much during war, especially during war, anti-corruptionists explain that the number our anti-corruption bodies are large enough and... now finally their work can be seen, that's why these and such cases are public, dirty,

but public. maybe so, but judging by what, who, who, is now publicly heard in our investigations and suspicions, starting from deputy ministers, ending with deputies, by the way, the head of the temporary investigative commission returned again today and was finally replaced, which is engaged in fortifications, it suggests that the virtue is obvious. not just people who occupy key positions, but also the personnel policy of the president's office, which people are appointed, because it is obvious that it is not the parliament that decides in the last resort who will take the place of a minister or deputy minister, unfortunately, unfortunately, not the parliament, so here the question goes to personnel decision-making of bankova street and the effectiveness of bodies, in particular the judicial branch of government, using on... legislative resource in anti-corruption issues. thank you, ms. solomi. mr.

volodymyr, we remember this long history of creating anti-corruption bodies. and we remember that we have the most powerful anti-corruption legislation in europe, at least. why its application, and especially the prejudice of corruption, before committing. crime, why does this not happen in ukraine, why are there so many corruption scandals during the war? i absolutely agree with solomia that the current legislation is enough to fight corruption, i am absolutely sure that the thesis that corruption is equated with state treason will do nothing to fight corruption, it is just a cool and populist slogan, nothing there are no positives, that's why i'm not surprised that there is no draft law, because he will not give anything, why at the time. war hears and sees so much corruption, and because war accelerates, because war intensifies all those

phenomena that already exist in society, that is , war manifests what is in people, unfortunately, in someone it does not manifest heroism, yes as in the majority of those who defend ukraine with weapons in their hands, unfortunately, in whom does it show its own such similarity, in other words, even to pick on whom, what, when it is considered for it is possible, if necessary, to earn money on the blood of one's land. i am sure that it is possible and necessary, using the current legislation, using this anti-corruption infrastructure that has been built, to fight and even overcome corruption, but unfortunately... when, you know, it is clear that sometimes some corruption scandals eventually come to the top leadership of the state and there are quieting down, then this obviously inspires corrupt officials, who understand that they can hide somewhere under the wing in order not to be caught, unfortunately, we do not see any examples of the fact that if some corruption

scandal affected the closest circle of volodymyr zelenskyi, he, following the example of lyukov new , said no, come on... this is my former friend, he should be in prison and so on, no, nothing has changed, how much was theses about corrupt people from the president's office, how much, how much was said about the corruption schemes that tatarov is collapsing directly, president zelenskyi cannot help but hear it, nevertheless, president zelenskyi does not take any steps that would indicate that he ready to stop her at this level, and it certainly creates an opportunity. for petty corruptors, maybe i 'll slip through the cracks, or maybe they won't notice me? by the way, you mentioned zelenskyi's entourage, i remember how at the nsc olympic, zelenskyi of the 2019 sample asked petro poroshenko, his opponent in the presidential race, why these friends of yours are with both hands, saying that if

someone steals, then hands should be chopped off, i think that... sample 2019 could ask zelenskiy sample 2024, why all some friends volodymyr oleksandrovich is already the third hand grew up in order to reach into the pockets of ukrainians with that hand, unfortunately, unfortunately, it is so, yes, yes, well, we will follow these corruption scandals, because it is some kind of series, that is, people are caught almost every day, and with such amounts for example, the deputy minister of energy hailo received a bribe of $500,000 for moving part of a coal mine from the east of ukraine to volyn, this is also enough, you know what else motivates the continuation of this series, which turns it

into an endless one, and because there are no results, well, okay, well, they detained, well, they showed everyone a picture with a bunch of dollars there or something. whether on the bed or in the trunk, what's next, who heard about the results of all this, who heard about the fact that this particular corrupt person will eventually spend the next 10 years in prison, no one heard it, the story is over, let's move on for the next season, we will catch someone else, that is, this impunity is what motivates us to continue, this is sport fishing, we catch fish and release them, thank you, we also closed this topic, we will already monitor this series. which will give, i hope, results. another topic is that, ladies and gentlemen , the fact that the ukrainian army has entered the territory of the russian federation in kurshchyna , we see how military commanders are already being created there, and zelenskyi said that what concerns kurshchyna, the goal is

to create a buffer zone, or sanitary zone, about which putin only dreamed. from this side, and the ukrainian army is creating from the other side, following the situation that is currently developing in kurshchyna, mrs. soloma, what can you say whether ukraine will be able to hold this buffer zone, create such a one, this, i would rather call it a security zone for ukraine, when this security zone is created on the territory of the russian federation? well, first of all, i would like to emphasize what is very important to us. marking this operation as a defense operation is a fundamentally important thing, especially for our partners, because very often they are somewhat confused, especially in their questions, whether they gave us the right to use international technical assistance on the territory of the russian federation, and so on and so forth, she was brilliant and very it's good that very few people knew about it when it started, and it's absolutely the right

decision to have this buffer zone, the gray security zone, i was just the other day on... returned from sumy region and i want to say that despite, despite our delight and respect to all the military units of the units of the defense security forces, that this operation was carried out so quickly and in time and there in terms of quality, i would be very careful in my forecasts of the possibility of holding certain territories in the event of the accumulation of a group of e-e offensive from the russian side federation, it will happen sooner or later, moreover, unofficial sources have already spoken about the fact that putin gave the order to... clear these territories, expel ukrainian troops from the territory of the russian federation, and knowing the nature of the potential and possible offensive and the behavior of the armed forces . of the russian federation, we very often underestimate them, but we know how they carry out their sweeps, behind the cabs, behind the artillery, it is only then the infantry, because

their infantry goes on the offensive with a mixture, you know why they are so active in the offensive, this this fear retreat to be punished, ordered to sit in a churm for the rest of the years there or killed, very often it is just murder, it goes beyond the scale, so i am very ... very worried about our troops being able to skillfully and fight back, b, this will depend on the size, the quantitative size of the russian group, which is already gathering on the line of this front, moreover, they have already been quite active in terms of combat operations for several days, and our task today is to maintain communication, and first of all on the territory of the russian federation , b, maybe mereba fpv, drones and so on, all those brigades, all those brigades that are working there today, as well as our other defense forces, so i was very careful, putin spoke about

the first of october, by the way, today it was already spread on the network information, and i would very much like the armed forces to come out with the following certain things that they have there, planned, in particular in that area, thank you, ms. solomi, mr. volodymyr, how did this kurdish operation change its character? russian-ukrainian war, and how it affected, how, how it showed the current regime putin? well, first of all, it once again demonstrated the skill of the armed forces of ukraine, completely unexpectedly, and a large-scale and quick operation, which not only the russians, but also our allies did not expect from it. secondly, it really showed russia's inability to defend itself, because this is a really critical situation. for a country, when , for various reasons, the troops of a foreign country find themselves on the territory of the country, and such a critical situation, the country can either unite, or show a complete

inability to unite, as in russia the following happened, exactly the second, that is, russia showed that even the direct threat of a foreign army on its territory is not capable of uniting this society that has been atomized by putin for decades, so it seems to me... that no matter how these events end, they will have such far-reaching consequences, and the third extremely important aspect is that it has been demonstrated that putin's statements, bravura statements about readiness for further de-escalation, are really just statements, really just words, he does not have the capacity to further escalate this conflict, of course. we will still see what will happen next, of course, it is still extraordinary, it is important to understand how this operation will end for the armed forces of ukraine for ukraine, but

it seems to me that a lot of those things that have already happened, well, they significantly change the perception once again about ukraine and ukrainians in this war. could this special operation provoke putin to further escalation, mr. volodymyr, could it have provoked without... i haven't demonstrated it now, so it will be very difficult to show it as determination, thank you, mr. volodymyr, ms. solomi, do you think putin still has any arguments left against the armed forces of ukraine? unfortunately, i think so, because it is a resource of the russian federation. higher, and this concerns the economy, their sustainability, this concerns human resources, and their currently almost almost wide

contractual mobilization and sums for signing contracts, contracts, uh, second, third, their ability of military-industrial complex, which today may have some problems, but it is not at all comparable either in scale or in capacity to our military-industrial complex, and in particular to the example. even the production of the same guided aerial bombs, cabs, parts for which and chemistry for which they buy, in particular in china, so i am unfortunately not optimistic that russia will fall faster than us, than we will lose or wait for one of our it's x days there, i'm not an optimist here, because their economy speaks and the numbers are completely different, thank you, thank you, solomiya bobrovska and volodymyr yatrovych were guests of our program today, thank you for that. in the program. throughout our broadcast, friends, we conducted a survey, asking you whether the russian orthodox church will stop its activities in ukraine after the adoption of the law, or whether it will stop. so

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