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all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny: saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 at espresso. well, the deputies of the verkhovna rada of ukraine are working extremely fruitfully. today , the parliamentarians allowed the expropriation of land in transcarpathia without the consent of the owners. but there is an important clarification. that the sections along the highways and railways are subject to removal to the uzhhorod district, yes, and this permission concerns the transcarpathian military administration, well , let's talk about parliamentary affairs with oleksiy honcharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. glory to ukraine, mr. oleksiy, glad to see you, glory to the heroes, just leaving the parliament. well, maybe something besides e? for the transcarpathian land, today was

important, i just don't have time to follow all the events, well, it was also important, for example, my bill was passed on giving a step forward to the half-breeds of the dead and the military personnel disappeared into the air, well, we now have an absolutely crazy situation, when the mobilization bill was adopted , it was stupid. draft law, including that it was accepted that they took and removed the deferment for non-full-blood brothers, leaving only full-blood brothers, and the situation became such that, for example, my mother has two sons from two marriages, one volunteered there, god forbid , died, now they are taking the second one from her, she says, how come, i have already given this state, well, everything is more expensive with her, they say, and because he is from another man, that is, if from one man, then no, then... they cannot

take it, and if from another, then they can, well , this is madness for the mother, these are the same two sons, and this is also madness and injustice , and i submitted a corresponding bill to correct it, and finally today it was pushed through, and so it is very important, well, of course, it is very important not for all of ukraine, but it is very important for thousands of families who have really already given the most dearly to the state, and and in 12 days we will be able to finally solve this issue, so we are certain... transcarpathian land, yes, because it is there there is a clarification, the verkhovna rada supported the forced removal of real estate from the land of individuals and legal entities along highways and railways, but information has already appeared that it does not completely coincide with what is called our constitution and the rights of citizens, that is, there some compen' mechanism is provided. tion in

the proper way, because forcibly, well, if it was, if it were not transcarpathia, you know, well, a deeply teleological region, it would somehow be clearer, what is going on there, what is there... the real feedback is, well, obviously that i am for i didn’t vote for it, 228 barely made it through, and now the servants themselves are already writing many of them that look what a fool they voted for, well, as always, it’s by the way, but as i said for non-natives, the same for 18-25 years, it’s they didn't vote when the mobilization law was adopted, they don't even understand what they're voting for, the same story again, now it's transcarpathian to transcarpathian oblast, what's the difference if in... the constitution, it should apply equally in transcarpathian oblast and in all others if it can be done today in zakarpattia oblast, why tomorrow it can be done in other regions in conchezaspa, it should be done, i would start with conchezaspa, but they decided to start by saying yes for some reason, so it is really

stupid, i hope for a review of this decision, i think there will be blocking resolutions , which will block it, possibly through this mechanism. maybe due to the president's veto, well, i don't know, we'll see how it will develop, but this is a classic story, unfortunately, of lawmaking, from our servants of the people and the majority in the parliament, from volodymyr zelenskyi. look, i still wanted to ask you about yesterday's incident: the card of people's deputy goncharenko did not work, at one time you actively worked against russian structures, in particular religious ones located in ukraine, well... but yesterday it happened that the card did not count, you carried out all the necessary procedures so that your vote was enrolled under this bill? yes, of course, i submitted the relevant application, well, not yesterday, it’s not just me, there were, it seems, four people’s deputies in which i worked, who submitted the relevant applications, that’s

of course, well, i’m sorry, because really i, well , first of all, this whole story started two years ago therefore, from my petition on the president's website about prohibiting the activities of the russian church in ukraine, which was then collected. personally the necessary 25 thousand, then when mykola knyazhyvskyi submitted a very correct bill, by the way, i think it is better than everything that we finally adopted, i was his co-author of this bill, well then of course i voted in the first reading and signed for it investigation and fought for it together with my colleagues, so it’s really a pity for me that something happened there, some strange technical story, well, i won’t go into conspiracy theories, i will to hope that this is just a technical fee, but of course i submitted from... a statement, it was announced at a meeting of the verkhovna rada, and i also spoke about it, and in any case, the law was adopted, but it really is such a case took place, but the most important thing is that the law was adopted and finally the activity of the russian church in ukraine is prohibited. look,

as far as i understand it, people's deputies are summoning minister of energy galushchenko to the carpet before the verkhovna rada, so that he reports, as in his beautiful case. yes, he is called, but he does not come. i am honest saying, i was expecting galushchenko in the council today. today we voted decisively, or rather, yesterday we voted to summon him, and it received as many as 270 votes, not very, very many. and holushchenko did not come today. moreover, today there were energy bills on the agenda, at least he should have presented them there. to comment, he didn't come, well, i don't know if he's so busy, i don't think he's laying wires somewhere, i think, in general, the ministry of energy has turned into some kind of dynamo machine, you know which one, but which one instead in order to use her energy for some useful action, she seems to be

mainly engaged in corruption, because there are a bunch of deputies under the suspicion of nabu or other structures, the investigation of the hlo for half a million dollars or some others for hundreds of thousands of... everyone is on fire, in this time again there is no electricity in the country, i was cut off yesterday in kyiv, again yesterday it was cut off in odesa, in many other cities of ukraine, and there is no light again, but you know, there is no light, but the money is with the energy companies, well, just some kind of flow lyutsya, i don't think it is that's right, it seems so to me anyway, it seems so to me too, it's such a strange story, the more we singled out who... the less they somehow got used to it, well, but unfortunately, i have to let you go, oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, i just joined the live broadcast of espresso, well, i’m going to take a short break now, but before that, dear tv viewers, i would like to draw your attention to a special broadcast

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state analysts. i quote, now the deep state, the enemy has advanced in northern druzhba, zavitny near novohorodivka and hryhorivka. fighting continues in new york. analysts added that the map of the operation of ukrainian troops in the kursk region of the russian federation will be updated the next day. extremely, extremely alarming news from... donetsk region is coming, literally from minute to minute i will add dmytro ponipak, popinako, managing partner, innovator. we will be in touch, yes, mr. dmytro. glory to ukraine, congratulations to you , glory to the heroes, good day, well, they approved a draft law that predicts and provides for the introduction of additional new types of sectoral sanctions in ukraine, in particular, it is about software and the ban on access to certain resources on the internet, what exactly will get under this ban, tell me,

be kind, well, i probably won't. to comment on the entire draft law, there experts will understand and probably comment more on the details from law-making experts, and what needs to be done for ukraine and finally we see some concrete steps in this direction, we need to get rid of software products that have infiltrated many areas of our life, our economy , in particular, and for what? in order to deprive us of the opportunity to appreciate the impact on ukraine, we remember that in 2017 there was a very powerful virus attack, the virus was called, and we know that behind this virus is a hacker grouping with the russian federation, and no one counted the losses, but in my opinion, it is billions of hryvnias, so in order not to, and

then there was another, so in order to prevent similar situations, we should... get rid of software products , which are widely used on the ukrainian market, in particular, if we take a very important aspect, economically important, these are systems for managing enterprises and for keeping records, here the russian systems odins and bas have a monopoly position, and well, this is a big problem, i hear there from colleagues in the shop, there was an opinion that the product was created in ukraine. no, not in ukraine, the core is created, created and modified in the russian federation, what will they do with this core and when, it is only a matter of time, because well, we have already seen precedents and suffered great losses, so the second time or the third time already then it turns out to assume such a thing,

not allow, well, it is not necessary, it is not possible. yes, mr. dmytro. would like to clarify, and in general, to what extent does the enemy have access, remote, of course, access through or thanks to his or her software security, to certain of our secrets, that is , i am not a computer expert, well, i can only imagine that they have the desire and have certain technical capabilities, because you have now outlined a certain list of certain programs that are used by our consumers and at the state level, far... they all have a proper level of protection, if this level of protection is there, then it slows down or slows down the work of computers and so on and so on and so on, that is, how unprotected are we in that aspect? well i think we are very poorly protected some of the companies that use these products, which i have already mentioned, are placed in so-called isolated

environments, but this is also not a panacea, because the software product that supports the company's activities must be modernized. that is, to receive new versions, and to receive new versions, from where, of course, from where, from where, from where this software product from that manufacturer comes from, so yes, you can build some temporary solutions there that will isolate the product from external access, but again- after all, this is not a complete solution, and i would not count on it in the future either advised look, mr. dmytro, if we talk about harmful and still not banned in ukraine , there are applications, programs, one or another, maybe even websites, yes, well, the website may be russian, but it has, it has, i don’t know, it has a domain address somewhere there , i don't know, in the netherlands, whether there is an application

of the european union, whether it is the european union and so on, that is, but they may have a harmful one. is harmful minced meat, and people in our country use not only computers, but also telephones, and the key task of the enemy is to lure, drag him or another trusting consumer of ours, so that he clicks, goes in, after, well, as far as we understand, this or that additional algorithm for tracking or extracting this or that information may be running, which may not be paid attention to by this or that free antivirus? well, yes, that's right, yes, well, in particular about antivirus, if we talk about it, there are still many users of russian antiviruses, such as kaspersky or doctor web, for example. yes, and well, this should also be tried, regarding e- websites, yes, which are registered on domains,

international, well, yes, of course, the owners of the sites can be representatives from the country of the aggressor, and the main thing is that they need, in addition to spreading the harmful law of security, they need to collect certain data, because they also represent value, especially .. wartime, so you really have to try to look deeper, and ask yourself, well , ask yourself where, do i trust this site, this company that collects data, and how they will be interpreted further and whether they will not get to raven. yes look sir dmitry, well, we may not trust, well, but we wanted to believe that we have, you know, such people... with a cold heart, hot hands, or vice versa, a hot heart, cold hands, and accordingly, our cyber troops can do all this to block, and if you take certain

messengers, then in the russian federation they started hunting for a very good messenger signal, yes, which i would like to recommend due to the fact that it is banned in the russian federation, so at some grassroots operational level there. .. they are with their own crooked arm, so to speak with the decryption technique, they cannot select a specific access, so it is possible, well, everything breaks, and there is access to everything, well, but at a certain level they probably cannot, that is why they want to reset it, but there are other messengers, there are vibers, whatsapp, messenger facebook, maybe there are some additional programs, and telegram, so we understand that telegram is not just itself... the person messenger, yes, his last name, telegram hyphenated swans, and here, and here the question is not that it is russian, here the question is that

they would like to take as much of him as possible under their control, well, despite the fact that the structure is allegedly private, but we understand that where there are private russian structures and there is a desire of the russian authorities or russian special services to actively enter there, they will do it. yes, not lebedov, but durov, it seems to me, and durov, well, i am confused, i am confused, so to speak, but it seems to me that they are somehow compared, personalities, yes, well, yes, well, lately regarding the telegram, to me, my opinion, yes , personal such that the russian federation long ago gained access to encryption systems telegram, and they actively use it, that's why i, for example, now there is information on the internet that... stupidly flew to azerbaijan in order to meet with putin, in order to convince him not to ban this product from the russian federation, it seems to me that this may be a special operation, because

again, based on what happened earlier, there is an assumption that telegram messages, they can be read by the enemy, so in fact we also have rumors, maybe we should ban them. huh, extremely interesting, well, look, we started with of russian software, we understand that this is a large segment, it must be replaced, but we understand that ukrainians are not only patriotic, but also thrifty people, thrifty, yes, we understand that everyone wants to download free software in order not to pay abstract money and not to buy, but we also understand that logic, but we need to get out of... this situation, well, because if the russians have access with the help of their software, then something must be done accordingly, which, which alternatives are just possible

ways, i don't know, maybe the state buys or allocates some funds for compensation, and in general, if we talk about how serious this problem is within the borders of our state, well, it's a very big problem, yes, as i already said, for example, accounting systems at enterprises. monopolized, monopolized by the russian manufacturer, that is, the product and the bass are used, but it is not really easy to replace them, because the tcc, excuse me for interfering, the tcc, they also have their electronic databases, yes, that is, accounting conscripts in the territorial centers of staffing and social support, well, who will keep track there, you know what programs they can set for themselves, well, because the volume of information is large. and this is also an enterprise to a certain extent, well, yes, if they have to keep records, then of course they keep them in some way, and most likely it is the same one or the same one, because again, it is

a product. the most widespread, well , it simply will not work to replace, so efforts must be made, and this is exactly what, as you say, and the thriftiness of our shareholders and managers who manage companies, but it slows down this process, here i want to add one more aspect, taking into account the fact that ukraine needs to integrate into international blocs in order to survive in nato, the european union, we should look at those tools , which are used all over the world in order to be competitive, compatible with what is happening in a diverse world, that we need not only to enter those markets, but also to conquer our destiny, for this we need to use the same tools, and computer, including which, which companies that have been working there for a long time also use it, so this is a very important question, regarding the replacement, yes, in order to replace, it is necessary to make significant efforts, spend time and have a budget, the state, will it be able to sponsor it, this is

a very good question, i do not i don't know if... the computer and the state have enough money, because these, sometimes projects for the implementation of information systems for enterprises, are big efforts and cost huge sums and last a long time, so here it seems to me that the state should cooperate with the commonwealth to find a common language with ukrainian enterprises and look for opportunities to simplify this transition, to offer some programs, loans, grants , etc., by the way. regarding grants, now there are many international organizations that work on the ukrainian market and are already offering grants for the replacement of information systems, because international organizations understand the problematic situation in which there are ukrainian enterprises that use software products from the russian federation. finally, briefly, i would just like to clarify, ms. dmitri, well we understand that we managed to develop an action, so we publicized it, presented it to everyone, i don't

know to what extent... which pr corresponds to reality, well, it functions, it works and not only, well , maybe the accounting department is also run by the same people who were developing the action, they would be able to screw it up on the basis of some or other western developments, but half a minute, is this realistic at all? eh, and yes and no, it is real, but it takes time and a lot of time, because the action compared to the enterprise management system is a fairly simple application, and accordingly wait as long as they will appear somewhere. to the extent that the ukrainian company abandons odins and bass, offers will appear, but even now there are a large number of systems that are already available, for example, my company works with microsoft and microsoft has systems for keeping records in ukrainian enterprises, and we have been offering these systems since 2001, that is, if now there is a question of replacement, then there are already alternatives, you can go to the market, look, choose and deal with

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