are the successes of the ukrainian forces now, can they finally convince their western partners to move these red lines? it seems to me that such an operation was already the last argument regarding the potential escalation of the use of tactical nuclear weapons, some other reaction of the russian federation, when we have already heard 100-500 times arguments why it is not possible to use an attack from the territory of the russian federation or stormtroopers, already and this myth is debunked, and we saw that what comes next... can be more escalating than when you have a defense operation in enemy territory, and you have a fairly successful operation, and it's great that the people who planned this operation didn't leak information, because it was all in a vacuum, and this defense story worked successfully, lightning fast, it was successful in time, as for the issue of retention or any other progress in this operation, that is another story, but there was a breakthrough, the defense was active. and this proved once again to our close

allies, debunking the myth of potential escalation and use of the russian federation any other means that this is just a myth and we are waiting for permission, and we are waiting for permission to use their weapons, which we should rightfully use as we see fit. the ukrainian president said, he said that this operation would not be necessary in the kursk region if ukraine were to learn. to use long-range western weapons for operations on the territory of the russian federation, is there now, from your information, from your contacts with western representatives, western partners, there is a chance for such relaxations, or even this the operation is not convincing for the western world, it is difficult to comment, ukraine is not currently standing, unfortunately, on the so-called active, on the american table, but it seems to me ... that if biden

took this decision together with his national security adviser sullivan, it would at least it would go down in ukrainian history as the president who finally dared and made a contribution to russia's victory over ukraine, because we hear that ukraine should win, but russia will not lose, in fact by the third year we are already tired, and unfortunately, the pace of delivery weapons, the conditions of use of these weapons, they lead to very... thoughts, and i have such a question, we very often ask our partners that under such conditions, what kind of victory do you believe, and what kind of victory do you think we have to get, we see, unfortunately, for six months, when the story with mtd with technical assistance was drawn out, how it affected the front and how quickly the front moved to our side, why do you think belarus... is deploying its

troops near the border with ukraine, can we expect that russia and belarus will be there as well also to give some non-standard answer, let's say that there may indeed be a certain offensive, certain movements from belarus, that they will also behave in a non-linear manner. well , look, i would not under any circumstances overestimate the russians, and in particular their asymmetric responses, they can, of course, make a carpet face there for cleaning their territories, but... but they will not forgive such a slap, such a slap, it's on my sub objective opinion, knowing how the russian federation can behave, and that is why belarus can be used as an additional springboard for the use of joint forces, russian forces, what's the difference, they already use all their airfields, training grounds, checkpoints, and let's not forget that the special operations forces of the russian republic of belarus. participated

in the second year. solomia, speaking, now the time has already passed, you and i have already discussed that we do not know the plans that the military-political command of ukraine sets before itself regarding the operation in the kursk region of the russian federation. but as of now the information that is available, what do you think are the goals of this operation? and i believe that such a symmetrical response, in particular to the creature, because we often did it at sea, it will give its result and we just have to wait for time and see publicly what will come out of it, i would not like to comment, i think , thank god that all this was not public, and we are simply sick of how much information is always spread to the media and very often to foreign media, not even for ukrainian journalists. yes, me too

will outrage, by the way, as well as a ukrainian woman, but i would wait without conclusions and would not hurry with such already condemning ones. comments, i believe that in the political plan, first of all, this story will play for us. thank you for your opinion, solomiya bobrovska, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice faction, member of the verkhovna rada committee on security, defense and intelligence of ukraine, was a guest of svoboda ranok. and in the comments, you can share your thoughts about what the goals of the kursk operation, which has already been successful, are for your the idea that in the future it can be successful, huh? what not, share your thoughts, we are open, open to discussions on the radio liberty youtube channel, under our broadcast, by the way, be sure to subscribe and do not forget to like, well, then we will talk about the situation in donetsk for the civilian population, from myrnograd,

according to the head of the city's military administration, there are 5 km to the front line. forced evacuation of children and their parents continues in the community. according to the head yuriy tretyak, as of august 20... remained 16,000 inhabitants, according to local authorities , about 59,000 residents remain in the pokrovsk community, 600-700 people leave every day, while 60% do it on their own, according to the administration. an evacuation train is sent from pokrovsk to rivne oblast once every eight days, where people with children and pensioners are ready to be accommodated in social housing. evacuation trains also run daily to dnipro and lviv. volodymyr mykolaichuk, a correspondent of radio liberty, joins our broadcast. he visited the rivne region, in one from points of accommodation of displaced persons from donetsk region. congratulations to my colleague on our broadcast, please tell me what you have seen, how many displaced persons from donetsk region have already arrived in rivne, how they are received, what assistance

is provided? congratulations katerina. actually, tomorrow we expect the 13th evacuation train to rivne from donetsk region. actually, a week ago , the largest evacuation arrived, this train brought almost 200 people, this is the largest such flow of displaced people from pokrovsk, and actually people do not come to an empty place, what can be said, they are rescuers, volunteers, local authorities meet at the station, before that they submit lists, that is, when people arrive, they are already distributed among communities, for example, what i learned from the displaced people who live in rivne, that, for example, those who have... young children, preschoolers and those who are students of schools, they are usually left in the dormitories , why, in order to send them to school later, the school year is coming soon, in fact, those who already have older people or older people of an elderly age, they are taken into the care of the community , i.e. defined in each community

places where displaced people can temporarily live, but we actually visited one of them, it is a kind of hostel, where pleasant, good conditions, everything has been prepared for them, so that people already... but on the same day of arrival, they are picked up by special transport and delivers, that is, so that people do not worry that they, you know, like in the first weeks, in the first days of the war , were going nowhere, but in fact, when we talked with the residents of the pokrovsk community, where the front is now advancing, they complained that many people are afraid to leave there, why, because they are going to nowhere, he says, where will we go, because we have nowhere, we have no one to go to, and actually i would like the audience to see those words that people said from pokrovsk, who have already been here for a week or two live, and actually call on their acquaintances, relatives, who remain in the pokrovsky community, to leave after all, i ask for direct language, that it will pass, we

think that it will pass, but it does not pass, they will not come, they simply extinguish us with tapes, but when she thought of it, when across the street to the kindergarten, where they gave... humanitarian help, people were torn apart there, it's scary, scary, the scariest thing is the cassettes for people who are on the street and the cassette breaks, it's not scary to die at our age, but it's scary to be crippled, they'll bring you in and do an operation, here's a boy from the front line, and they won't save you, and the child will die, it's scary, leave if possible, the protectors, selidovs, gornyak, tsukurine, novoselydovs have already left. we need a speaker like that to drive around the city and say that there is an evacuation tomorrow, so that people know that not everyone has good phones, in grandma is a pushover, she can just hear, maybe she herself is in the entrance. there is no light, no communication, the wilderness, thank god, we

were evacuated in time, and two days later tanks started driving around the village, our neighbors called us, we are going, tanks are driving here, it is very dangerous. kateryna, in fact, since the beginning of this year, more than 600 residents of donetsk region have come to rivne region, that's about 300 families, when i spoke with the people in charge. representatives of the communities, they say that they are still ready to receive up to half a thousand residents, in fact, how many will come tomorrow, we will meet the evacuation train and we'll see, but we understand that the closer the hostilities get to pokrovsk itself, the more people still leave, because the people themselves say that all the young people, those who could leave on their own, have already left , but lonely people arrive on these trains, many... children who do not have relatives here in other regions of the country, but are simply forced

to flee from hostilities. volodymyr, let me clarify, you know, when we talk to the leaders of communities from which people are forced to leave, from which they are forced to evacuate, people dare to do this very often, for a very long time, in some places they even hide their children, they do not want to leave for various reasons, but even when active hostilities are going on, it is not for them... a moment, you have to have a lot of conversations with such people, those with whom you managed to communicate with those people who have already left, did they tell about their beliefs, why they waited until the last, how difficult it was for them to make such decisions, well, they say that mostly such lonely pensioners remain, some must take care of the neighbors so that they do not to leave them, and those who can leave, they say, well, we think that everything will stop tomorrow... it will stop, and i don't want to, they don't want to leave, why, actually they say that we worked there and then in

the mine all our lives , then they worked hard at other enterprises, we have our own house, and people just hold on to their property, here is this woman who shared her impressions with us, she says, i could not believe it until i saw how cluster ammunition works, and besides, he says and the man said, i have a dacha here, i have a house, i have a car, where will i go, i i worked all my life for this to provide for... old age, and people are simply afraid to throw away their possessions, because they understand that they will go, for example, nowhere, they will not have anything left, i realized that the most restraining factor is precisely nowhere to go, but they simply do not want to leave their property, their homes, which they have furnished there for years, and you know this, a person is as attached to his life as someone, his acquaintances, relatives, but they say that it is very unfortunate for us, we understand, but we try to hold on until the end, because... they are afraid, for example, if they don't break it shells, then, let's say, enemy soldiers

will rob them, that is, they understand that they will not take everything, they can bring a few bags with them, that's all, therefore their own, their own life, their own home, some kind of equipped comfort, then this is a restraining factor, people understand that the war is approaching, the enemy is close, but it is difficult for them to part with their things, their memories, rather, their thoughts. and this is a restraining factor for them, because i heard, for example, that they say that we have nowhere to go, that was the second or third argument, the first one says that we are afraid to leave everything for now our life, the one we lived in, let's say , pokrovsk, that is, they are afraid of changes, they are afraid of these new factors, they are afraid of being unnecessary to someone, they say, i have several old neighbors, they say, where will i go, who will follow me to look after, that is, i will die here, the age is already such, these are the arguments i heard when communicating with people who are leaving pokrovsk, colleague, we have one minute left, but it is very important, after all, the conditions that are provided and

the help that is provided, it was properly organized really by the government, people in normal the conditions are now, that's what you saw, what you heard, well at least i didn't hear any complaints from internally displaced persons, yesterday, when we were in that dormitory of the university, a mother of many children with four children approached, she is from lehman, she says, i 've been living in a dormitory for... years , she says, i'm satisfied with everything, because there in liman , the house is destroyed and everything, that is, a person with four small children, she's been living there for two years, she says, everything suits me , there is an equipped kitchen, and a separate room, that is, me i told this example in order for you to understand that even large families with four or more children can safely leave, they will be provided with conditions if you do not have them, but you must of course register in advance so that you will be met and immediately ... have determined the place where you will be taken and settled, thank you for

connecting, and i ask you to follow the situation, maybe people will really have complaints, because the statements of the officials, we understand, are one thing, but is everything happening properly, we must also watch for hereby. volodymyr mykolaichuk, a correspondent of radio liberty, told about how ukrainian immigrants from donetsk region are received in rivne region. many thanks to all our viewers for. that you are with us, for the fact that in the comments you actively participate in the discussion of what we tell on this broadcast, we analyze together with you the important events that are happening today in the russian-ukrainian language. war and , of course, what is happening to ukrainian citizens who are forced to leave their homes because of this russian aggression. subscribe to radio svoboda, watch us every weekday from 9 o'clock on espresso tv. my name is kateryna nekrecha, and i and the whole team have a free morning, we wish you a peaceful day and see you soon. sales progress

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which we collect as much as 3.5 million hryvnias, we already have 1,187,411 hryvnias, so even less than 13 thousand separates us from the second hundred and second million. the qr code is here, you scan it while we talk, and we will talk about the pro-ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which is affiliated structure to the russian orthodox church. anatoliy babynskyi, historian, religious scholar, lecturer at the ukrainian catholic university and employee of the uku church history institute is already in touch with us, mr. anatoliy, congratulations, congratulations, congratulations to the viewers of espresso, you know, i will certainly start with the fact that we today, for example, chernihiv oblast was included, and in chernihiv there is a local. er , the secretary of the russian orthodox church, which is called the ukrainian orthodox church, says that we will not change anything, because we are already very

the pro-ukrainian church, they say that it is possible that onufriy will even leave the synod of the russian orthodox church, well, this is the maximum they can go to, and here it is simply a question of what we passed, we passed the law, but the law has a letter and a spirit this law itself. we definitely need to change this very russian spirit in this church, and no, not that the sign is simply changed, it, they already changed it, they already called themselves the ukrainian orthodox church, does it work like that? mr. anatoly, what do you expect to change? in 9 months? it's a very difficult question, you see, and the most difficult thing is that many people in this church do not understand about... the problems, that is, they do not understand the problem that today the connection, the canonical connection, it is exactly the same with the moscow patriarchate, well ,

that this is a crime against the ukrainian state, ukrainian society and also against other christians, yes, which are not only limited to the moscow patriarchate here in ukraine, there are many other confessions and denominations, and the problem is that... many people in the uoc simply do not see that, well, it actually is something the problem is that they pretend to demand something from them, which, i don't know, goes beyond some common sense and logic, eh, and it really cannot fail to impress, i think, not only me, but also many people in ukraine today. i am not a lawyer to predict how it will develop in the future, further in the legal sphere, because in ukraine, as you know, it is... as a whole institution is not a legal entity, and in order to implement this law, well, you may have to have one, i don't know there 10 thousand

lawsuits, appeals and so on, i think that the ukrainian judicial system simply cannot withstand such an influx of cases, and this actually seems to me to be very, very bad today'. tangentially, but the very fact of the adoption of the law seems to me to be an important thing, well, since it will still force the leadership of this church to look for some way out, an exit from the synod, it may not be some extremely radical step that will solve everything, but it would be an important step, i still think so, that is, if there really was an official statement by metropolitan onufriy and... other hierarchies of this church that they would like them to be excluded from the official bodies, the governing bodies of this church, well i think that would be a good start, we

also see other processes now that the ecumenical patriarchate is very interested in what is happening, maybe they are looking for some alternative forms, as possible it would still be good to settle this situation, and so that i don't know, to give another opportunity, i apologize for interrupting, i wanted to ask again, well, okay, well , for example, onuphrius will leave this synod, and here, for example, the metropolitan of ternopil and serhiy kremenetski, serhiy, aka boris naumovych hensytky, a native of chernivtsi, well, he too has to leave the synod, he was taken there last year as if or when they were taken to this synod of the russian orthodox church. a permanent representative of some kind, and well, i just show you this photo, this photo, here, very telling, here stands this

boris naumovich, the metropolitan next to president putin of russia, and he just presented him with some order, well, what is he, what to do with the order, well, of course, this is not only about metropolitan onufriy, but i said... about other hierarchs of this church as well, who are members of any bodies, it is not only about the synod, but there is also such an inter-conciliar presence, there is a much larger number of different clergymen, i am actually saying here, it is difficult to predict if such there will be statements, then it is interesting what the development of events will be, because such things are not tolerated in the moscow patriarchate, and they will probably sanction them in some way. these people, but so far, you know, it's hard to say at all, we can see that the resistance will be fierce, and what about you said that, in principle, the representatives of this

church do not say that... the law does not consider that they are the ukrainian orthodox church, it is as if it is a well-known and old rhetoric that they managed to register under such a name in the 90s a brand, so to speak, eh, and they have such a legal name according to the statute, and now they will say that it does not concern them, let's wait for the examination, because the law provides for an additional... examination that will determine which are these are the threads that connect the uoc and moskovskii patriarchate, in the statute, which they changed in may 2022, these words still remained, although the statute was not officially published either, eh, but the citations remained, namely this reference to the deed of patriarch alexy, yes, in which they donated to this church then still under metropolitan filaret.

granted independence in management, which is such a pure fiction, because such a status simply does not exist in universal orthodoxy, and for any other local church in the world , the uoc is an organic part of the russian church, it is any orthodox theologian or a clesiologist can confirm this, that's why regarding the orders, as far as i remember it was metropolitan serhiy, he renounced some order at the beginning of the war, but you know, well, an order... this is just compared to membership in various governing bodies, it is not something is so extraordinary there , they can refuse orders very easily, but management positions are a more complicated topic, you know, i have seen many such comparisons, when this law with the situation with the language in ukraine was voted in the end, they say, we have a law on protection the ukrainian language, but so what, people continue

to use... russian, and they say that the same will happen with the church, but there is a law, but people will continue to go, and even if these churches are renamed and will no longer be called the way they were called , and even if they do something there, some more or less formal things, then all the same, we will not follow the service of god in each specific church, which is said there, those people will continue to worship and profess some common values with russian orthodox. churches, yes, you know, about changing the mentality - this is the most important thing in this whole situation, because many legal points can be resolved, but you know, even completely independent churches in world orthodoxy, such as the serbian church, are extremely pro-russian, and can a situation will arise when we will have a structure in ukraine that will be canonically independent from the russian church, but in

its... holy russia, that it is a god-sanctified unity of three peoples, and so on. that is , this change will require more time such serious educational work. this is because, well, psychologically, people are very often attached to their specific, i don't know, village parish, and they are also attached to their priest, attached. to certain nuances of worship, and in the moscow patriarchate for a long time, or for centuries , this kind of attention was paid to such, you know, absolutely secondary things that have nothing to do with the essence of faith, but it was hammered into the heads of the faithful that this is almost , you know, some basis of it, including the fact that unity with the moscow patriarchate belongs to the essence

of faith, that is. what we are facing, and this is a very big, big job ahead, and i think that you know here, even in schools, there is some kind of general religious studies that would explain it, and it seems to me that it would be even as an optional something not bad in this situation, and another thing, still work and work, another thing, yes , another thing that i would like to say, it is very short. yes, yes, mine, one of my ideas, which i have expressed somewhere before, about that the moscow patriarchate offered a certain very specific type of religiosity that a lot of people liked very much, that kind of religiosity, you know, an evil god, that god wants some, you know, this kind of suffering from man, and so on, and people fall for it , you know, on some drug needle, they don't find that in other christian...