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, the saturday political club helps to understand the processes taking place in ukraine and the world. vitaly portnikov, khrystyna yatskiv, andriy smoliy and invited experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events. if you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday politics club, every saturday on espresso. dear friends, you are watching the espresso tv channel, this is the marathon of lesya vakulyuk, andriy saichuk, and now we will have andriy kovalev, candidate of political sciences , religious scholar, and a military man, so much, mr. andriy, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, friends, glory to the heroes, mr. andrii, let's probably start with... the situation with the ratification of the roman

statute, here was a long-awaited matter, but there are such moments here, myroslav gai, major of the defense forces, said that it is a little out of time, because some of his articles may fall under the scope of even the ukrainian military, in his opinion, on the other hand, we know that he is against the ratification of the rome statute, and not we know that it, perhaps for these very reasons, has not yet been ratified in such and such countries. states or israel, which are often militant, and likewise, and likewise , we know that the churches, the churches in general opposed the ratification in connection with the concept of gender, as as gender of choice, no no no accepted this to the end, in the churches, in the ukrainian churches, the ratification of this roman statute is, as it were, bringing us closer to...

the european union, in a word, what do you say about it, andrii, i absolutely agree with mr. myroslav gai, well, a little bit not on time, on our own. before the history in general with the ratification of the rome statute and relations with ukraine, it is extremely long, and i want to tell you that in general the idea to ratify the rome statute appeared back in 2014 after the revolution of dignity, but then moscow tried through its agents in europe to apply all possible levers in the international criminal court, in order to... for the sake of ratification of the rome statute, in particular, to allegedly bring to justice, as the moscow occupiers say, the initiators of the coup d'état on the maidan, and in particular then, well , for example,

the maidan self-defense fighters would be at risk, the commander of maidan self-defense, andriy porubiy, because muscovites could interpret them as an illegal armed formation. and then such a problem really arose, and our partners then understood it, for example, the verkhovna rada of the eighth convocation, it still did not ratify the rome statute, especially since the anti-terrorist operation was ongoing, and in particular the russian federation could use, again, the international criminal court, so that ukrainian servicemen were under threat, i want to remind you that volodymyr zelenskyy did not... commenting on the idea of ​​ratifying the rome statute, he said that it was not on time, the president's office said that it was not on time, in particular, the deputy head of the president's office, smirnov, said not so long ago that he believes that there is no need to ratify the roman statute, by the way, they said that

it cannot be ratified during a full-scale aggression, i do not understand that our country has changed so dramatically that the president, in particular, and his team agreed to the ratification of the roman statute. i really think that now we will get more threats from the ratification of the rome statute than more, so to speak, some good positive things. well , yes, now that we have ratified the rome statute, ukraine can participate in the elections of judges of the international criminal court, to propose their judges to the number of judges of the criminal court. but this is the end of the positives and it is clear that we must always remember. the russian federation is using our values, our freedoms for war against us. as we speak, the tamal court declared

putin an international wanted list, let me remind you that an international wanted list was also issued for maria lviv bilova, the ideologue of the deportation of ukrainian children to the russian federation. a number of military commanders of the russian federation, whether the international criminal court will be able to bring them in, or not for ukraine to ratify, well, it has already ratified the rome statute, and they could be brought to that, another situation is whether these people will ever leave the borders of the russian federation so that they can be brought to justice, well, obviously only under the condition of the disintegration of the russian federation. only under the condition of the collapse of the russian federation will it be possible to extract these people from the russian federation and bring them to court. well, this is the long-term goal for now, and with the same, by the way, moscow agents are definitely necessary or moscow ones, well, i don’t know how it’s simply different

to call this one, like boris naumovich, hnidovskyi, hnidinskyi, well, in a word, this one. metropolitan of ternopil, who recently received orders from putin. and now these people say that we don't need to change anything, we are already very pro-ukrainian, forget all the stories, everything is fine. i don't know, mr. andriy, probably this one, we'll say goodbye already, thank you very much for this comment on the roman statute, candidate of political sciences and religious scholar andriy kovalov was with us, but we, gentlemen, want to say that the spiritual occupation of ukraine is ending i will remind the council this week, we have already started talking about it, we passed bill 8371, it prohibits the activities of religious organizations that have ties to russia, the activities of kremlin agents in ryachy will be prohibited from the initiative until adoption, by the way, more than two years have passed,

not only did everything go on like this, but even in the 22nd year, people's deputy mykola knyazhytsky proposed to ban the roc of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, at the legislative level there was a long alternative ineffective draft law, amendments, endless blackmail, breeds, attempts of russian lobbyists until the last day, they tried to create, take away, for example, american visas, to disrupt the approval. this law was already in the session hall, and in the end, not without the help of a magical blocking of the rostrum, the opposition, in particular european solidarity, in the first place, after all, this draft law was introduced, why were they threatened, why were they against the ban, let's see together the explanation, green, history, 20 in august, just before independence day, the parliament banned activities

russian orthodox church and its branches in ukraine. after obtaining the tomos on autocephaly and the creation of a local church, this is the most important act for the protection of our national security in the sphere of activity of religious organizations. i am proud to have been involved in these two historical events, which will finally cut off the tentacles of russian peace in ukraine. so we still have a lot ahead of us. challenges, the law must work, and not turn into a good declaration, as it often happens in our country, and we will make sure that the government does its work, but the most difficult the road has been taken, as it were, let's recall this dramatic story with almost detective plots, but first , subscribe to my channel, and together we will continue the struggle for spiritual independence. the story of the priest of the moscow patriarchate viktor talk from borodyanka is a textbook for the entire branch of the russian orthodox church. after the occupation of the town, he turned the temple into a russian prison. we lined up cars under the fence of the church,

supported them with military equipment, and at that moment father victor came out of the church with some man, well, i understand that it was of the special services, and he told us that we are detained, a special check will be conducted on us, it will take about a day or two, at this point the father said, place the people. i will tell you so, if in the 16th year of the viyska. his victims survived and after their release the warts testified about the crimes of this priest. the sbu initiated criminal proceedings. in total, the special service exposed 72 priests, 22 of them have already received court sentences. some went to the russian federation on exchange. they were propagandists, adjusters, spies, saboteurs. the active work of the security service was the result public pressure on the authorities, because during the invasion ukrainians were shocked. mass facts of work against the enemy by collaborators in cassocks, however

, it was clear that point methods would give only a temporary effect, reduce public irritation, but the issue is not in specific persons, in the whole institution, which for moscow has become its second army inside ukraine. the problem needed a holistic solution, because of the 800 parishes of the moscow patriarchate, only 10% severed ties with the russian orthodox church. all others are still in official status. representatives of russia in ukraine, even after patriarch kirill and the council convened by him declared the war against ukraine sacred. only a law could be a legal solution to this threat to national security. and in the fall of the 22nd year, i wrote it and submitted it to the verkhovna rada for consideration. law project 8221 was supported by deputies from all pro-ukrainian factions of the parliament, from the homeland, european solidarity, and servants. people and voice. a number of regional councils voted for its adoption.

a coalition of public organizations was created to support the document. it was issued from taking into account the judicial practices of the european union. we did not intend to tell whom and how to pray. we aimed to sever ties with the aggressor state. the petition on the need to adopt draft law 8221 received the necessary 25,000 votes. the profile committee of the parliament also supported him. however. the cabinet of ministers was already preparing its draft law, it eventually received registration number 8371, and although i had a number of reservations about it, in particular because of the cumbersome, unworkable scheme of banning the activities of the russian orthodox church, which could drag on for decade, i still voted for this project in the first reading. political ambitions in such an important matter are inappropriate. i understood that the government bill had a better chance of being voted on and decided to participate in its improvement as much as possible. meanwhile, the ukrainians were boiling again. the priests of the russian orthodox church, after a short list in the 22nd year

, took up the old again a year later. why are you beating the military, god? in the spring of 2023, the inaction of the authorities on the issue of the legal ban of the russian orthodox church caused a radical reaction society. after the beating of a serviceman of the armed forces by clerics of the moscow patriarchate in the holy pokrovsky cathedral. cathedrals in khmelnytskyi, the ukrainians decided to do the work of the government on their own. in a number of regional centers, the churches of the russian orthodox church, under the pressure of the community , were transferred to the local church, and the city councils - lviv, khmelnytskyi. lutsk, ivano-frankivsk, terminated lease contracts for communal property and land with the moscow church. this is a separate big problem that the newly adopted law should solve. i told about her in detail in his documentary "church without christ". we are going to lviv. agency ngl media

has done a fantastic research. they created a map on which on... all the lands that are owned or used by the russian orthodox church, they cleaned this list as much as possible from those who are not in the pcmp, only those who in one way or another indicate in their name remained, yes , and if there are, for example, i know such cases when the russian church, and the land and the building itself are simply registered to natural persons, here is an example of an infographic, in cherkasy, yes 96% communal whether in sumy or in transcarpathia, we can see how much, well, in yernivtsia oblast, i also see most of the communal properties, in chernivtsi, for example, in odesa oblast, we see 258 hectares, 97% of which is communal property, yes, 97% is communal property, the same kharkiv region, well

, in the end we see there even lviv region and here only 1 ha, but we see that... well, the smallest amount in ukraine, yes, but, well, even of this 91%, communal property , you just watched an excerpt from the documentary church without christ, here at the bottom of the link, you can watch it in its entirety and you will not regret it, because in this film we talked about all the crimes, lies, the history of the activities of the russian church in ukraine, and it was part of a huge company, it was important for us to convince the ukrainian politician, to hear from. .. ukrainian society and finally ban the russian orthodox church in ukraine, in particular its activities. and it wasn't just one movie. we made another film about how the russian church struggled with what happened with the adoption of the bill in the second reading and in general, in order for it to become a law, which only they did not do, but we still won. so, as of now, we have

a powerful octopus, in the center of which is vadym novinsky, the moscow patriarchate, onuphrius, next to him is a high-class international lawyer. robert amsterdam and trumpist propaganda star takar carson, as well as influential lobbyist william burwhite. they spread disinformation and try to influence us senators and congressmen, as well as people's deputies of ukraine. the ultimate goal is to preserve the structures of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. why so? the moscow patriarchate panicked and hired a whole lobby network in the usa. because we, people's deputies, did everything very correctly. in the committee on humanitarian information policy, representatives of various... factions put aside their political differences and together focused on creating a high-quality document based on government draft law 8371. i would especially like to note the constructive work of the committee's chairman nikita poturaeva. a lot depended on him as a representative of the pro-presidential majority. its sharp statements in defense of the parliamentary version of the government document were obviously not liked

by everyone at the bank. but i have already said that banning the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine is not an excuse for political ones. jealousy, but an existential question. so when the moscow patriarchate saw that the deputies were already at the finish line, they decided to scare them, that is, us. colleagues who are in favor of recommending that the verkhovna rada consider bill number 8371, please vote. kuturaev for. abdzulin for. thank you, colleagues, the decision was taken unanimously. i congratulate you with acceptance by the committee. of this very important law. robert amsterdam wrote as many as two letters to parliamentarians, where he threatened american sanctions if the law was passed. my name was also mentioned there, as one of the biggest supporters of banning the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. at the same time , pro-russian deputies in

the parliament became more active, blackmailing their colleagues and threatening them. if the moscow patriarchate in ukraine has nothing to do with cyril and the kremlin, as they claim, then why did they put up such aggressive resistance? question obviously rhetorical. someone was really scared by such threats. it is known that americans have always been sensitive to religious freedom. and that is why our draft law, first mine, and then the consensus draft, the parliamentary one, was not about faith, but about the constitutional order and, in particular, national security. protecting them is the unconditional right of any nation and the basic duty of any government. the verkhovna rada could adopt this. still in the spring, but incomprehensible political intrigues began again. sponsors and lobbyists of the moscow patriarchate did not give up, they even state structures were involved. destructive in some moments. the position of the state committee on ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience, which openly blocked the draft law, was at first surprising, then infuriating. the profile committee of the verkhovna rada even adopted a special statement condemning

the discrediting of its work. the issues of protection of religious rights and freedoms of ukrainian citizens are considered through the prism of national security, which allows to clearly separate and protect the religious freedom and security of ukrainians from the activities of religious organizations associated with the aggressor. it is for this purpose that the preamble of the draft law contains references to article nine and article 11 of the european convention on human rights and the decision of the national security and defense council, which initiated the development of the draft law. therefore, the draft law does not in any way interfere in the sphere of a person's religion, but only regulates the activities of organizations operating in the religious sphere. the committee is extremely surprised by the baseless pseudo-critical comments that have been making the rounds recently. to the text of draft law 83/71 from the side various commentators. from these statements , one gets the impression that these experts, firstly, did not read the text of the draft law before

the second reading, and secondly, they are trying to evaluate it from religious points of view, although, as we have proven, the said draft law does not apply to religion at all. even more, the committee is surprised by the same unfounded pseudo-criticism on the part of des, all of whose legislative proposals, without exception, have been preserved from the text of the first reading, and a huge number of important amendments of her authorship have been taken into account in the second reading. it was summer, traditionally a calm political season, but the parliament was raging. after refusing to put the draft law to the vote, the deputies blocked the rostrum of the verkhovna rada. it is significant that this was done not only by the opposition, but also by representatives of the pro-government faction of the servant of the people. the press learned that almost one and a half hundred servants gave an ultimatum to their management, either to pass the law or to split the faction. speaker. closed the meeting until august, but it became obvious that there was nowhere to run, ukrainians demanded a ban without appeal activities of the russian orthodox church. according to the latest data

of sociologists, about 80% of them are such, and politicians could not help but respond to such a request. president zelensky could no longer waste time. in the end, he was forced to instruct his deputies to support the consensus document. you can see the result on the scoreboard. this is history, history! goodbye! together, with joint efforts, overcoming incredible resistance, we have taken a historic step: the spiritual occupation of ukraine is coming to an end. the last organized kremlin structure in our country will cease to exist. simultaneously we managed to preserve the right of ukrainians to freedom of conscience. no one tells them which god to pray to, but no one will allow putin to be that god.

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