operation, we don't pay attention to it, putin will figure it out. it is very important that you mentioned certain differences, yes, the attitude of the west towards chechen independence and towards supporting ukraine. we understand that the west has such an impression that it has now gone to a much higher rate increase when we are talking about a qualitative change in supply, that is, aviation, it is in whatever quantity it is, whether it is one or two squadrons, but that is already possible. not attitude, so we understand that it is not just about flying weapons, not about the situation in the sky, not about strengthening, about the red line and about the hint of putin's ass, you know, it was passed in a piece, saying, and we can increase the number of aviation, and he also did not have an answer, whether he reads such things at all, that is, they understand that the west is now starting to prepare for its scenarios, and... it concerns not just

the russian-ukrainian war, but the future, for example, the future of russia. we don't see any figure that putin would grow out of his gabit retort to replace himself, do we? and who am i apologizing to, vyrostyvovich stalin, who after all, he was a bigger personality than putin, right? lavrentiy pavlovich beria pavlovich beria, he was not going to make a fuss, well, but frankenstein grew up on his own like that, when there are a lot of sikros.

he died and the head of the state, the head of state security of albania, ramiz aliya, he is not these people, they do not think that they will die at all, i think the best quote is the words of fidel castro, who once said at a rally, if i die, if these people think in such categories, not when, but if, well, then something can happen, but in principle they do not consider such a possibility, they... do not consider the possibility of transferring power, because they are dictators, and if people like narsultan nazarbayev suddenly start considering such possibilities, he considered the possibility of transferring power, now not everyone is laughing, and accordingly the attitude of the west and the preparation of the event for a larger, broader scenario, that is, when we are talking not just about the russian-ukrainian war, but in general about the fate of the continent, yes, the fate of the continent is, for example, partition, i am not saying that it is mandatory sovereignty of russian. yes, but some or

other, i don't know, certain segments of the economy, certain influences and so on, that is, we understand that there is a so-called big game, and we understand that when xi jinping and president joseph biden talk to each other, they say no only about ukraine, because they are also interested in the world, and at one time stephen king very aptly and briefly described not the current moment, but in general about our global turbulences, the world has moved out of place, and now we see that... that a new order or disorder or new sprouts order or a new system, russia remains archaic, bloody, dangerous, malicious and so on, but archaic, that is, they sit with a push-button nokia and say, for some reason, i can't receive your video, and they are told, well, we just send you from a censor phone, they, and they have a push-button nokia, do you know, there were still soviet phones like that, where you had to... turn the dial in order to

call someone, and here putin picks up the turntable, i can't, i can't accept your video, yes, because special forces, this is our everything, yes, yes, there is a very simple formula here: the west is always hoping for putin's sane stupidity, that putin will understand some things, that he must understand that he will not be able to absorb all of ukraine, that he will not be able to resist ukraine's accession, at least to the european union, that he will not be able to force for... to recognize russian territorial possessions in ukraine, on ukrainian territory, as an internationally recognized norm, he will not be able to, this will not happen, so what should be done, if you understand that this will not happen, calm down and about something agree, at least tactically, he does not do this, he all the time pretends that he does not notice it, well, he does not notice it, so it is necessary to move on, he moves on, so... what

is left for the west to do, move the red lines, the west will do this all the time to do, he is always hoping that putin will come to his senses, well, he won't come to his senses, maybe there is a guy here, maybe there is a guy here, don't you understand? that is, putin, putin is waiting for the west to stop, and the west also has no opportunity to stop, so there will be more planes in the future. it will be decided sooner or later the decision that the president of the czech republic, petr pavel, spoke about. donats will accept ukraine without occupied territories. but what about, for example, the hot phase of the war and the situation on the front line, because we understand that the current situation does not foresee a freeze, that's what i'm talking about, but... not yet, for today it does not but at some point it can be predicted, because there can be a definition, a definition of both sides, there can be a temporary ceasefire, which will be handled by countries such as qatar, india and switzerland, for example, let's say, and putin will later say that he was deceived, he

is being deceived all the time, he was deceived in minsk then by angela merkel and françois hollande, then he is deceived at rendramodo with the mayor of qatar, they also deceive him, because putin has cheating is when it doesn't happen the way he wants. you understand, but he agrees to this for certain reasons, because he is being pressured, and then he says: no, well, we agreed on something else, well, relatively speaking, putin's fantasy about the euro-atlantic community, which supposedly promised not to to expand the east, yes, yes, yes, everyone says that this is a lie, it didn’t happen, well, but for him you very correctly brought up this model of thinking, so he says, well, i was deceived, well, come on, but no one talked about it then and didn't agree, let's, well... this is again, it's pushkin, it's not difficult to deceive me, because i myself want to be deceived, this is the relationship between people in russia, it seems to me that this is an absolutely accurate formula, that's all after all, there is no need to doubt that

pushkin, not putin, pushkin knew russian psychology better than you and i, he the russian national poet, i don't remember such a wording in world literature, when a man from... asks a woman to deceive him, because he wants to be deceived, because he has no other way out, he needs his tricked him into doing some idiotic act, the guilty party would not be him, but she, because he advised on this, he needs it, that’s what putin is, he treats the west like a pushkin hero, to this woman in some high society salon , yes, well, but the key story, how will we, as far as we can, that is, our... intra-ukrainian concept of what is called, i don't know, a modern national idea, it is already maturing, that is, it has been formulated, and we are starting to go, so we understand that relations will be quite difficult now, that is tactical processes, there are practical processes, when we talk, for example, about the case of the russian

orthodox church in ukraine, and it will not only be about this, but we see that what was once called nationalism, that is, this, has gradually become a menstruum. .. and here it is now it is not enough that what is prescribed in the legislation, it is already these people who profess such and such views, they sit, for example, in offices, it is far from possible in all of them, but they sit, they are generals, they sit in the headquarters of special services, they plan operations , and they are ready to fight further and defend those values, about which 10 years ago someone could speak, so to speak... with caution, because it could, so to speak, split society or not be perceived in a sociological dimension . and this is also a fairly simple answer to this question, and the ukrainian society and the state also have to carry red lines, hoping that russia will be shamenets. this also

did not happen immediately. you know, we will carry out decommunization in the 14th year. stop, please, because you are destroying what we have in common. ugh. heritage. no, we're moving on. well, you know, in this situation we introduce language quotas, we adopt a law on language, stop, please, you see how everything, how our people are changing. no, we're moving on. well, then we carry out de-russification. we will not have pushkin monuments and lermantov streets. you understand that you are completely destroying our common cultural space even to the depth of 200-300 years there, when we did not have such mutual rejection of some of your cultural values. this one they absolutely do not stop, no, we go further, we do not have absolutely everything, we will conquer you and name everything, we will kill everyone, and those whom we do not kill, we will drive through the filtration camps and, so to speak, let's force you to pass pushkin and

lermantov in these filtering schools there, read borodino, well, by the way, it's good, if it's on tone god's will, they wouldn't have given moscow, well... they wouldn't have handed it over to the judges if it wasn't god's will, but on the other hand, it's also, well, we understand that this is a very serious parallel, yes, because napoleon gave moscow took, took and burned, took and burned and... and so to speak, i think that no architectural monument was harmed, relatively speaking, well, i'm joking, but it is about the fact that there is a so-called depth of strategic defeat and strategic, strategic stability, and we understand that in the case of kurshchyna, it is not even suja, it is the city of kurchatov, it is kursk, i.e. kursk is about symbols, it's about the regional center, and the city of kurchatov, it's about aes, yes, yes, and if... there was such a symmetrical situation, well, first of all, it would excite our european and

american friends, because they would understand that this is not just aggression against ukraine, that is, it is ukraine's readiness to stop the enemy by all possible means, of course we understand that no one would resort to this or that unconventional things, that is, how force seizure, the russians are in force the method was captured. prostantia trying to cause a shock in the west, yes, that is, it is not only the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, it was chernobyl, that is, when they shoot at the nuclear plant, they are extremely worried in brussels, and not only in brussels, but i also worry when something like this happens, i understand , but just again, well, there is an art of desire, art is possible, and it is what it is, this art is possible, in any case it is absolutely obvious that the raid on kurtshchyna itself is a transference. on the red lines, they continue to be transferred, that's it too, now there is a war on the territory of the russian

federation, this is also a call to calm down, because you see, it may be so, and then there may be some kind of offensive in the korchatov region at some point, despite the russian fortifications, well, many where fortified, ukrainian troops were fortified in avdiivka , where avdiyivka is now, this is exactly how russian troops can strengthen themselves in chichatov, and then it will turn out that they are not able to work it for a long and boring time. here is a great example, or here is the story with the law on the prohibition of churches that have control centers in moscow, well, for a very long time pretended that this is how it should be, we cannot do anything with this church if there are so many parishioners in it, well, it turned out that we can, that this is another red line that is moving, it will continue like this, we mentioned the kyivans with their own hands for a reason, but here we go back to burying everything that connected them with ukraine. well,

the history of the gkchp, yes, at one time, this communist spurt accelerated the dismantling of the communist system, and now - he is absolutely right in that this is stupidity, bloodthirstiness, gluttony, russian, it leads to the fact that ukraine has the opportunity to very quickly implement, well... the necessary internal policy, antin, i will tell you honestly, if it were not for vladimir putin, not only i would not have seen all that in my lifetime we now see it from the point of view of cultural, humanitarian, language policy and so on, but even you did not see it in your lifetime, we would live in a policy of constant compromises and would be forced to defend our cultural, linguistic and historical interests there in the conditions of eternal compromise with a large part society that would say: listen: we live here, here, we are not russia, but we have russian culture, we love philip

kirkorov and yosyp kobzon, why should we bother here, we don’t want to listen to your country singers, look at your rural performances and speaking in your secondary language is a big language, well, we have heard it since recently, and back in the 19th year, that is, if the collective there was this or that lithuanian or this or that character, so who would be ready ... to make a permanent compromise with the russians, and the russians were ready for this compromise, this is also very important, that is, it would be a model of the continuation of what was called , i don’t know, the ukrainian soviet socialist republic with all the relevant attributes, and if viktor chornomyrnina was the president of russia , leonid kuchma would remain the president of ukraine, or even after volodymyr lytvyn or serhii tegibko, this ukrainian soviet socialist republic could even join the european union, and it would be very pleasing to deripaska , fridman and aven and... all other russian oligarchs who had business here, and it was just perfect hungary, and we would

only speak with horror, listen, but the use of the ukrainian language has already accelerated to five or six regions, so what, but we are in the european union, we live wonderfully, we are developing here, russia gives us cheap gas, friedman finances alfajaz, you can even write patriotic poems about it, we would write, we would write, of course, and even in the ukrainian language, but before... is history the key, that is , in principle, in history ukraine has never had such a great peak of state formation, like now, that is, full-fledged and diverse, that is, i tried, well, what period? under hetman mezepa, well, i’m not sure, during the time of the ukrainian people’s republic, no, because it’s a short period, yes, that is, the outbreak was powerful, but the period was short, and kyiv voted for the so-called russian block in the elections to the constituent assembly, during our time neither great hetmans, well, because the moscow church felt under khmelnytsky

, in principle, in a single space, because even then the ukrainian orthodox church was in the union with constantine. field, but, but, that is the moscow church gained its voice, of course, and controlled constantinople, so in this regard, summing up the results of our conversation, we can say that this is a great tragedy that you and i are going through, and that we remember even today in this holiday, it led to such changes in the state system of ukraine, which will not be able to be canceled by any other processes, and this is what we should remember, but this is what our compatriots are shedding blood for. it would all be better of course peaceful, but we don't choose historical eras, we'll be back in just a few minutes before our conversation with ten borkowski, so please stay with us on the espresso channel, and now a little break. tingling, numbness, bother you,

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are expanding the bridgehead in the kursk region, local residents blame everything. russian authorities. exclusive report from kurshchyna. bright people in dark times. the story of a physical therapist who rehabilitates the wounded and a volunteer who collected 10 drones for the military in her eight years. about all this and much more already at 21 on espresso. saturday political club on espresso. ansin borkovskyi. vitaly portnikov. well, let's talk about... the most important thing, that is, of course, we talk in the context of the fact that today we celebrate the day of ukrainian independence, and this is not just about a calendar moment, not just about three dozen years, not even about, yes, so to speak, about the peak of ukrainian statehood and the triumph of ukrainianism, we are also talking about certain specific processes, we were talking about politics ,

we will talk about politics, but now there is still the issue of the church, it is generally about civilizations, the civilizational dimension, that is, right now history is happening literally before our eyes, we are trying to unravel the whole layers of imperial policy, imperial layers. because the imperial policy of russia is not only about soldiers, not only about tanks, about cavalry and the capture of certain nations by force, it is also about their cultural and religious colonization, that is, it is such a very difficult moment, and moscow is like the third rome in quotation marks, of course, it is, this concept was formed over the centuries, it is the cornerstone for the functioning of russia, and without ukraine they could not build it, yes, because... where the baptism of muscovy took place in ukraine, they cannot survive it, because , the prince of kyiv baptized his people, because yes, and

not of moscow, and not even of volodymyr suzdal, and not even of novgorod, and not even of novgorod, yes, well, this prince of kiev could be a prince of novgorod, the prince would do whatever he wanted, but he was actually of kyiv, well, let's start from the fact, yes , but there is a simple thing here, of course. the russian orthodox church is, i would say, the most effective tool for the russification of this entire space, and it used the kyiv metropolis as part of this, this approach, it needed the kyiv metropolis precisely as an element of the russification of everything around it, because, strangely enough, the kyiv metropolitanate, from the point of view of church efficiency, was much more capable and able to work with people than i said. the moscow patriarchate, this is one moment, and the second moment, this process lasted for centuries, that is , certain people were cherished, certain values ​​were cherished, and

short ways to their hearts were found, and explanations, that is, rituals, they entered into life, well, i don’t know , conditionally speaking, like those scarves on their heads, i.e. we don’t let a woman in without her and so on, there are some local people there, i would like to remind one more important thing, that the ukrainian peoples must also realize this. the population of the modern country all this time, even the soviet ones, did not lose its connection with the church, as it happened with russia, with the russian people, because in russia this loss occurred as a result of the reforms of patriarch nikan, the appearance of the old believer church, all this rebellion , the fact that people fled to the forests only so as not to burn themselves, and not just burn themselves, they burned themselves by the thousands, mass suicides. well, of course, that's why, in general , the russian people are a people who broke with the traditional church, real believers in russia, this is just old-fashioned, we are not

talking about archaism, about archaic approaches, but these are people who believe in churchization, as they like to say in church, and other people, they are opportunists, because they are in they didn't believe it, they just went there because the authorities said so, the authorities and faith didn't go to the church to work, i say conventionally, yes to work and to survive. ugh, and by the way, you know what the old believers did in ukraine after 2022, here we have the old believers the church, the way they behaved in contrast to the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, they declared that they could not have any religious center in moscow, immediately renounced this center, declared that they are an independent religious community, and now the question is who can they turn to so that they have... a metropolitan to whom they can turn for their sacraments there, the metropolitan in brail in romania, the belokrynytskyi metropolitanate was moved, as

is known, after the soviet occupation of bessarabia, it was also moved to bukovina to of the romanian city of braila, and they turned to him, by the way, this is the real old believer metropolitan, the one in moscow, he is a subordinate, and this is the metropolitan that existed from the time when the old blats wore white. this village in the territory of the chernivtsi region of modern ukraine, created a hierarchy for themselves and everything, that is, it turned out that it can be done that way, and nothing happens from it, if your question is the preservation of the community and faith, then the old believers, for them this is the main issue, and this, by the way, as a rule, ethnic russians, in contrast to the uoc and mp, and here in them the main thing is that they carried through the centuries, they need to preserve the community and faith, not the religious center, not moscow. and they did it, they know very well that they can calmly do everything they want to do, do it, touched on the topic of the old believers, i will just say briefly, yes, that is, that in ukraine they were hiding

from the russians... persecution and key centers , for example, the same book printing, they were, well, on the territory of hungary, and on the territory of ukraine, as even, that is, there was a different climate, that is, the same blades, yes, that is the well-known center of old obryady, well, this is sivershchyn, it is now approximately where our famous fighters are in kurshchyna, it is in this direction, that is why i always want to ask the real hierarchy of the ukrainian orthodox church. of the moscow patriarchate, what do you need, checkers or go? if you need real grace, real communication with world orthodoxy, and you have such a political situation here, well , the church with which you had a canonical connection, it turned out to be a supporter of war, well, from your point of view, it probably has sacraments , grace, all this is there, but, well, the problem is that you, this church supports the destruction of your flock, well, such a moment is historical, but

here there is a big one... world orthodoxy is next to the patriarch of constantinople, who gave the tomos of your country, rome , that is, instead of aiming at the third rome, turn to the second rome, to constanto, or to the first rome, so ferraro, the florentine union, which was signed by the patriarch of constantinople, well , that is, there are options, there are, but they are these options don't want to, just because they are believe that without moscow there is no grace, no faith. there is no grace, there is no salvation, then the question arises, do they want to save themselves now, or after all, when neither patriarch kirill nor patriarch putin will be with them anymore, but here is an interesting moment, so it is possible that a big global internal change, well, i believe that part of the clergy of the uocp will want to move, for example, to the orthodox church in ukraine, we remember the time of metropolitan

volodymyr. there were much more such people, including the current head of the ukrainian orthodox church, and him officers are a little different, i also think that in any case they need to go somewhere to the orthodox church of ukraine, to some orthodox churches, to other european countries that may be located on the borders with ukraine, if they so much do not want communication with the orthodox church of ukraine with the ecumenical patriarchate, but the only thing i... can tell these people is what they were told from the beginning of the restoration, not even of ukrainian independence, but of ukrainian civilization on these lands, and by the way, with these words we can absolutely calm to end our conversation today, away from moscow, antin borkovskyi, vitaly portnikov, thank you for being with us on this broadcast and we congratulate you on the independence day of ukraine. victory and peace to you,

friends, good luck! at home, on the day of ukraine's independence, another 115 soldiers returned from muscovite captivity. exclusive footage of the current situation in kursk oblast and the ban on the russian orthodox church. what do ukrainians think about it? good evening, anna javamelnik and the espressoro team are with you. gives about the most important thing in the past week. another 115 of our defenders have returned home from russian captivity, volodymyr zelenskyi reported. 92 of them are military personnel of the ministry of internal affairs. the majority are defenders of mariupol, 89 soldiers of the national guard and three of the state border service. now the boys are given all the necessary help and support. the exchange took place with the assistance of the united arab emirates.

pages of history: for the first time in 10 years of the russian-ukrainian war, ground combat operations are taking place on enemy territory. in two during the week of the kurdish operation, the armed forces of ukraine occupied almost 100 settlements. this is a decisive and lightning breakthrough, which showed the cardboardness of the russian wall. the espresso team could not pass by such events.