only a couple of percent of the soldiers, and this caused a huge collapse of the ability of this church to control the people's thoughts, and then everything collapsed, that is, with the speed of a dream of a snowball, which simply washed away this church and then already in the bolshevik revolution. unfortunately, all those consequences were fully felt by ukrainians. in particular. when stalin revived the instrument of manipulating the religious feelings of believers in the soviet union , reviving the russian orthodox church, actually concluding an agreement with it, cooperation, and subverting it, then it became a tool no longer of the tsarist, but communist regime, it was not surprising to us, but i remember my childhood seeing orthodox ... fathers with communist

awards, and then the bishops of the russian orthodox church received state awards for closing churches, their own, ugh, we were then children of the underground the persecuted church looked at it, well , really with horror, and when ukraine became independent, this independence began to demand certain changes. er, we all today, er, remember and know the term decommunization, yes, it is in western ukraine spontaneously began to happen, that fall of lenin happened back in the 90s, here, but unfortunately, central eastern-southern ukraine lived according to other, er, rhythms, and here, er, when the whole neo-colonial face appeared.

of the russian government and the face of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, then the ukrainian people demanded the decommunization of even moscow orthodoxy on the territory of ukraine. i don't want to go further into the analysis of these processes, because i can be accused of meddling in internal orthodox events. but these are more political events an ordinary citizen of ukraine at a certain moment said to himself: that's enough, how long can you fool us? er, and it is obvious that today the ukrainian state feels its duty, in particular in the conditions of a full-scale invasion, to take care of state security, even when it comes to threats to state security, which er, so, er,... emanate from the bosom of followers

of moscow orthodoxy in ukraine, so i think we should all be honest, honest before our own conscience, before the lord god, and before the ukrainian people. like us if we really seek god and want to live a spiritual life, then this will be the road to liberation, to freedom, even to decommunization. church, even to the new demands that today's ukrainian believers make of their spiritual leaders, i can say this not only about the believers of the orthodox churches, but also about the believers of our church, protestants and other churches, that is, we want to be a free people, and the church as an environment of liberation here in... must fulfill its

mission in new historical circumstances, you know, i remember such two moments, which was as a witness, 90 there, in my opinion, it was the first year or so, somewhere at the very beginning of independence, alexey came to the second, in my opinion, and then he was the head of the russian church, and he was on the black volga, and people were shouting away from the moscow the priest, that's one thing, by the way, the period of independence was extinguished, there was masolo kravchuk, that was one thing, because i went then, for example, to all these meetings before the verkhovna rada, but there was the moscow priest, and he was riding such a black volga , and people chased him in the center of kyiv, and they could not escape, there was such a cavalcade of them cars, and they are you, that is, people chased the moscow pope, it was the beginning of the 90s, and then i remember 2000, god knows what year, when yanukovych was the president, when kirill arrived, and this was such a golden, crowded procession in the center of kyiv, specifically the moscow priest, during this time the moscow church was able to...

so impose and impose itself that from the time when it was chased away, they turned into a church that went from the volodymyr hill, there was cyril in front and that's all that, and... no one could do anything, they seemed to reign here, but you see, now we are reaching the time when they actually end their history in ukraine, the most important thing here is that i would like your advice, i understand that this may not be your flock now, it may be your flock, for people, who do not understand much, perhaps in politics, in state security, in the threat from this church, well, i say that it is ukrainian, but we do not know there with moscow, they are not with moscow, how to explain to people briefly and simply, why don't you need the moscow word... you see, i think our citizens must ukraine to feel responsible for your

church, and for what you hear, probably also, and why you believe, if you feel responsible for your church, then that church. the church will be able to change, i can proudly say about the active laymen of the ukrainian orthodox church, and we are happy that we, as a church, are changing, we are growing, we are looking for new ways, new forms, how to be a church, how to serve god and people, in the latest circumstances, we are happy to have. in our church, which can be relied on, and today the ukrainian greek catholic church is not some kind of cold hierarchical structure, it is a living

network community, which today covers many countries of the world with that network of presence. here , we would very much like to share our experience of church life, even with our orthodox brothers, do not be afraid, do not be afraid to be active, your fathers cannot be your slave owners, do not be slavish in front of spiritual officials, be able to be open, free. "only then will you be able to change that church, children, which you consider yourself to be. i think that lay people, ordinary orthodox believers, today can be a catalyst for change in some churches.

unfortunately, it so happened that russia tried to subvert those post-soviet countries with their help. corruption, the same thing happened in ukraine, they believed that political corruption, financing of various pro-russian political organizations and movements that were engaged in the restoration of various historical so -called events, this was soft power, the kind of soft power that they wanted anew to colonize, including ukraine, and here we... saw that, therefore, the moscow patriarchate very actively began to feel itself a component of this of the entire corrupt system. we see that in russia there was a merger of corrupt secular

power and church power, this symphony, it took such, well, finally, i would say, hideous forms from... the throne and the throne, it led to the final loss of the moral authority of the same church , even in russian society, and it was projected as a model of state-church relations for ukraine, it was about its moscow orthodoxy as the state church, and we saw how moscow politicians behaved and behave. in relation to this type of church existence, in particular also in ukraine, and here all those triumphant patronages, you know, about which you mention, and it has already begun to fill everyone's mind, i would like us to

remember one such delicate reality today, today, a huge number of faithful of the moscow patriarchate feel... betrayed by their church. i talk to many of them. they feel that the one who should have been their father has become their enemy. the one who was supposed to take care of them finally betrayed them. it doesn't mean that those betrayed, uh, wounded people will immediately look for another denomination, uh, go to one or another church. i have a feeling now that many of those wounded, sick hearts, they will leave the church altogether. and ukraine. a very powerful wave of secularization,

i.e., a new kind of godlessness and atheism, may await , just as it happened in tsarist russia after, meaning after the overthrow of the tsarist throne, and with it the power or power over people, of the russian orthodox church. i would like you to clarify for... our viewers, the issue of behavior, well here to a lesser extent behavior, statements, actions of the head of the vatican, the head of the roman catholic church, and the person who sits on the holy throne, because not all people understand why there seems to be peace, there is somehow not such an unequivocal statement regarding the condemnation of the actions of russia or. again, of the same moscow church, there is some kind of attempt to unite a ukrainian and a russian woman or

something else, to make a flash mob that seemed to give some idea of ​​reconciliation, and people think that he is for us or for someone, or how to explain it? well, as they say, just explain why, in what way complexity today, perhaps the role played by the pope. pressure and maybe those things that we do not see, but he also does, and they are very important in the humanitarian sphere and are important. well, the whole complexity, perhaps, today of the role and mission of the holy father, the pope of rome, as a universal bishop, is how to be a preacher of peace at a time when the third world war is starting in particles. these are his words, that is, like today, er, let's say, to be the one who should serve

reconciliation between nations, when nations begin to fight among themselves, this is the difficulty maybe there is a certain tension between the local and the universal, it is obvious that we feel that uh, there are a lot of problems here in ukraine. the world look different. we understand today that uh, reconciliation between, uh, the aggressor and the victim, is possible only when that aggressor stops, when the world community condemns him, when that aggressor is forced to compensate for what he did. hurt, only then can there be a dialogue, a dialogue which, let's say this,

someday, i hope, it will culminate in what we call healing of wounds, and therefore reconciliation, that's why it's all so difficult question, but let's leave the pope to be the pope, and let us ukrainians be ukrainians, i think we all understand everything. they also know how to us, including when we really win in the battle we are waging, because maybe this is our so-so mission, to unmask that devil who attacks us today, to unmask that moscow, which today is no longer is the bearer of high culture, but the bearer of the latest genocidal ideology. because , unfortunately, today the world is in the same danger

that it was in, let's say, before the beginning of the second world war. so, let's remember at that time, everyone in europe wanted her to prevent the escalation of the world conflict. do you remember chamberlain, who was so happy with that piece of paper, they say. they satisfied the aggressor, they gave him a part of some country there, and now he has already satisfied his appetites, then the average european eh... the word germany was associated with high culture, philosophy, music, and the nazis were in power, and then at the end of the second world war everyone asked themselves with horror how it became possible for such a civilized, cultured people to commit the crimes of auschwitz.

genocide against an entire people, which today we call a holocaust, is what is being done against russia today. russia, in particular, after the collapse of the soviet union, invested huge amounts of money in order to spread the illusion of its high culture. today, when someone is looking for an expert on russia, they will always come across adepts. who was brought up on the illusion of the greatness of russian culture, and therefore always, when they hear about russia today, they will, first of all, boil down to the categories of their own illusory thinking, not asking himself what is really happening in russia. in

russia today there is actually, i would say, such a neo-colonial genocidal. a regime that has nothing to do with examples of high russian culture, from dostoevsky or other so-called classics of russian culture, according to this culture, there are no more today, and this is a certain shock that the west may be experiencing today, all those who consider themselves experts, and this is our perhaps historical role, it is to expose everything, to warn the world. to close it to this great danger of hers, so i hope we will fulfill our role, we will win, and then everyone will understand us, i am convinced that the lord god today is always on the side of the one who is a victim of unjust aggression,

that the lord god is next to us... you said that god is with us, but i would like to finish with this question, because many people ask today, where is god and why is he with us, and how jesus was asked whether his parents sinned or him, why he is blind, and and now people will ask, so who sinned, articles are written, intelligent people write, explain why we deserved this war in the pews, and they say, so what, who, who sinned, but i would like you to say your word, then... it is important for people to understand where god is, if i don't see him, i don't feel him , this is all happening, and why do we have this, well, to the end of this question, we will answer, maybe at the end of the story, when the whole process will take place, then we will see everything in its entirety, but now it is christians who have

the key to interpret this reality, why? because we believe in... a suffering god, not that god who is somewhere far away, somewhere on in heaven, in his kingdom, no, but god who became man. we believe in the son of god, who entered human history, took on a human body and voluntarily went to the cross. that is, today we, christians, see the suffering christ. in each person's suffering, i want to share my kind of, maybe my own spiritual experience, you know, when i visit our uh, wounded guys, or even civilians who have been injured by bombings, you know, well, it's just kind of a real warlike thrill in the face of

suffering of people in ukraine who... have god is really present, sometimes, i caught myself thinking, you know, seeing those wounds, i say to myself: "jesus, it's you, i see you in this person." and indeed, today christ is suffering in the body of the suffering ukrainian people. therefore, those pains and sufferings of our savior... in the body of a suffering ukrainian motivate christians to acts of mercy, they call us not just to honor. human suffering, but to protect human life, that is, this is some kind of, i would say, really religious motive

of all our social service, all that what we do to protect, save human life in the name of god, this is not some kind of usual, i would say, philanthropy, but it is really... diakonia, that is, service, service to god through service to a person in need. and this is an experience, not only my personal one, but the whole of our church, you know, no one has ever asked, in our communities, in our parishes, which church do you go to, what language do you speak, when we saw a person in need, a wounded person, a refugee . a person who needs to be helped, warmed, or maybe even to advise her on how to proceed in life,

to act in life, here, and this is the secret of stability, i am convinced that here is the non-abstract, but very concrete presence of god among us, in particular, because of, because of his suffering in the wounds of ukraine. this is a very, very deep, i would say, foundation for the proclamation of christ's gospel today in ukraine. that is why we say: "god is with us." because god is always in the one who suffers. there is such an early christian sermon from the second century, even from the persecuted church, which said that christ... kill in everyone who will be killed until the end of the world. christ was present in joseph, whom he sold into egypt. christ was present

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