of the russian communist party, because the soviet union is russia, it is not yes, then in general you approach the fact that we have passed colossally, colossally big milestones in these 33 years, i understand how a large part of people can be dissatisfied with something, but in general we can say , this is a great progress, and... if we had this sense of national awareness that we have today, we had in the 90s, i think we would be where poland is, where lithuania is, even where where bulgaria, even where romania is, we would be in a different class, organization of the political system, we would have other friends other partners, that is, they

were in a better place in the best sense of the word. at the same time, you are talking about the fact that in the struggle that we are currently waging against russia, and i emphasize the word russia, because this is evil russia, it is not only putin, because putin feeds on one russian swamp, what is called the russian people . it is a tool for the legalization of putinism as such, therefore it is impossible to separate this one negative personality, the absolute evil - this is putin, and on the opposite side, the institution of nobility, the people of russia, no, no, it gave birth to putin, it gave birth to lenin, it gave birth to stalin, it gives birth to all evil, but how can i say, i do not

want to do a deep analysis of what is being done in russia in that swamp, but i would like to say more about ukraine, and when you remember the lessons of our liberation struggles, the lessons taught by our best minds, for example, taras hryhorovych, shevchenko. when he writes this, addressing me, it seems to me that he stands behind the ukrainians even today and says this: my beloved country is innocent, my word not guilty, every time it surprises me, where taras hryhorovych got such a deep, apt and pure word, my dear country is not guilty, what is the lord punishing you for, is he punishing you? hard for

bohdan and for mad peter. in other words, taras hryhorovych wanted to say: ukrainians, if you want to dig, where is the root of your misfortune, where is it buried? this is russia. or the fifth column, which is being formed in ukraine, this bohdana, or the mad petro or vladimira. or joseph, no, no, no, no, it is not so important to know, and that is why every national movement that we had, it basically started with one slogan, stay away from russia, you want to be happy, stay away from russia, don't argue that there is something cheaper, that there is something bigger, that there is something more accessible, away from russia, and that's why when this picture... according to history

mykola hryhorovych felyavy, who was not allowed to write for years, finally this ukrainian genius reaches a dead end, invites his friends, his sister, tychyna, who still lived there in the house of words, come to me tomorrow, i will show you how to write, they have come , and this is not... a realized talent, wait for me a minute, went to another room and shot myself, that is, i am leading to the point that this independence, this sovereignty, this very awareness in which we live today, this is a fantastically great ukrainian work, this is what then gives such power to various spheres , and necessarily in the material sphere, in our... development,

social prosperity and others, which may come later, but this is necessarily the phase of the state when we become whole. internally consolidated, and we are solving those problems that may have been a problem for two or three hundred years before ours, we will talk about the economy, because i will be very interested in your opinion, as a person who was once recognized as the best banker in the world, i don't remember what year it was, it's true, but there was definitely such a story, and eh, i i remember, because i lived in those times and already followed your history in office. prime minister, it was not easy, of course now is the war, now is probably the most difficult time in the entire period of independence, but before that i would still like to ask you as a person who did not just communicate with putin, he came home, ate borscht, in my opinion, even you they said a very good phrase that money

made him stupid, that is, material things ceased to have any meaning for him, he obviously decided to go down in history, i am interested in your opinion, how to stop him, and therefore all of russia and whether it is included in... is this understanding of world leaders, this individual, as the late kozlovsky prisoner and writer said, he said that this is more of an infernal personality now, what is putin? of course, i cannot speak neutrally about putin, i speak evil, i speak as revenge, a reasonable person cannot behave like that under these circumstances, to which he... led the country to advance, i think that in 25 years he created the most unsuccessful project for russia, how to destroy such a country as russia, and i am convinced that one of the formats of victory in

today's war is not only in how to reach the mykhailivskyi farm with ukrainian troops and stop there, it is not about that. if we leave the evil called putin, and with him putin's russia, fascist russia, where putin is fed like the energy of 145 million little putins, and this the beginning of the source of putinism, this is the blessing that they give, so if we stop at mykhailivski khuta, it will be a big mistake, i don't want to say in the sense that... physically we should remind of the green wedge, of the crimson wedge, of the yellow a wedge, a wedge wedge, about the ukrainian taganrog, about the ukrainian bilhorod, the ukrainian kuban, well,

in one word, i wanted to name a whole series of extreme territories, where the ukrainian presence is, it is centuries-old, centuries-old. this is not what we are talking about now, we are not talking about this dimension geography, we are saying now, if europe, if the world does not understand that there can be no victory, in which the putin regime remains in existence, that there is no negotiation process, when president putin is sitting in one of the chairs. that's the first sign that you've lost, that you're giving some form of nourishment to this mess, you don't need it, i'm talking about the portuguese or the germans or the french, you don't need it, it will take you tomorrow, in what form? let

's not guess now, i just want to say one thing that today, if you don't you have solved the topic of security, you have not solved any of the... issues that are on your agenda, security is such a thing that knows no boundaries, regardless of whether you are 600 km or 10 thousand or 1,500 km away, and that is why it is obvious that the world today has a big task, how to correctly formulate the definitions of exit from the war brought by putin, i just want to emphasize one thing, so as not to... no, not there, not to give rise to any prejudicial discussions, the presence of putin at any conference, the presence of the need for putin's signature on behalf of the prison of peoples does not provide our answer

victory, it should not be left for tomorrow, and then we quietly come to the ideas that i think... are very undervalued in today's world, i fear, or i am wary that the syndrome that we experienced in... when the president of the united states comes from the rostrum of the parliament, says in 1993 that ukrainians, don't you dare to create sovereignty, and george bush, from whom everyone expected support, absolutely, on the streets of kyiv for three months there have been many thousands of rallies for independence, the president the largest democratic state comes, says: you don't... don't dare to do that, don't dare, to me, moreover, i'm sorry

that he stopped by my way to kyiv then after moscow or to moscow, well, in any case, it was a visit on the way, i i know that he gave a speech in the verkhovna rada on the way from the airport to leonid makarovych, well, he gave theses or verbally what he wanted to say, as if he agreed with leonid makarovych. and as the chairman of the verkhovna rada, well , in a word, i have a heavy feeling that today the world has stopped , including the european one, at a crossroads, if tomorrow, after the end of this war , we see in the bosom of russia, in the russian model, in its presence on this political one. field, i think that we are making a huge mistake, a huge mistake, we are taking the time-out

that putin needs most today, in order to then come to the borders of poland, slovakia, bulgaria, and continue to do that evil thing, on to which he saw the russian mission, when, you know, on his own... the question of where is the end of russia, where, where are its borders, from peter i we hear such a historical aphorism that the borders of russia are where her interests end, good wording, then putin's wording of the 2000s, well, to be more precise, it was in 2006 at one of the... language conferences expressed by his wife, the reports that were written in

the kremlin, and she voiced the position of the kremlin. russia ends there, guys, where the russian language ends. for the last three months, putin has been conducting an optional history course, and there he asks the boy how old the boy was seven or eight years ago. this is not a joke, well, as the president, the president of the country, every word is

official, and he says that his state, which occupies 1/8, which leads today, maybe 10 wars, maybe even more, well, count how many wars there are in africa, count africa, count the caucasus, count eastern europe, and this is a country that is a member of the united nations organization. the highest security organization in the world, she chaired the security council, a member, a permanent member of the security council, this is a country, an aggressor, this is a country where its leader is recognized as an international criminal, at every step in europe there are photographs, a wanted criminal, putin and so on, and so on further, and we live in in such a world, this is a country that has not formally passed, even formal acceptance into membership. organizations of the united nations, well , listen, wonder, wonder, what kind of world is this? so,

what i'm getting at is that no one can get used to the answer with such a russia, to sit down for negotiations with him today, it means repeating munich in 1938. do you remember when chamberlain flew in, waved one sheet and said: "i brought you a measure." while you were walking, i worked diplomatically, great. i brought you a measure, deladier, i spoke there in france, and here we are now standing, listen, we need reds line, you have to listen, what is this executioner? peoples, prisons of peoples, he says, he warns, this is a territory where under the cover of colonialism more than 100 indigenous peoples live, where every two years someone's native language dies, listen, we are in a terrible world,

in fact, and therefore, when in europe they try to form some tolerance, that... with this evil , you can even make a contract for several years, this is a very wrong policy, on the other hand, ukraine gives you an example of how to fight for your sovereignty, for your independence, how it should actually be armored car of europe. how is it possible, in other words , to enter the territory of the aggressor's country and force putin to leave the paper with trembling hands. to read something, having gathered your generals and not knowing what to do, it turns out, yes, it was possible, here again, not understanding what it will all lead to, but we understand that ukraine sometimes shows, just such an example to your words about the fact that europe does not know what to do with putin, but at one time in the battle of pyragamelas, alexander the great showed what could be done with the persian empire, by destroying an army that was ten times

larger, half failed to destroy the world of empires, but the world of empires collapsed 100 years after napolon, that is... now, without taking a certain step, we will just drag it out in time, then maybe, absolutely, paragraph number one: do not look for a partner in putin, he never will be, he is a speculator who will use today's historical position to knock on your door tomorrow, so be wiser, although it is harder to do, certainly the things that we uh say that the answer, how to democratize russia... i do not find it in the answer that there will come one ideal democratic force, which will now be supported by 144 million russians, i take this conditional figure, there is no such force and there never will be, in the dictatorship regime this force is very well fed

by... his government and his junta. russia's trouble, by the way, is not only possible in russia, putin's evil triumphs not only because there is so much in russia, and it is so strong, what we call evil. i think that in the formula of putin's existence, the most... strong point is that in russia has the most indifferent people, and they are indifferent, they automatically close with evil, and it, and it triumphs, and it is because of indifference, you know, when you, when you go out on the tver boulevard and stand like this near the monument

to the ukrainian prince dolgoruky. you are arrested when today we talk about a world that is informational, where the blink of an eye is exchanged, billions of megabytes of memory, more than 1,000 journalists in russian prisons, several thousand political prisoners at all levels, local and up to the highest, this is a country that lives among us. how are you going to arrange your future with such inhumans, in general, do you not feel the danger with this indifference that exists in russia, which is brought up as a political system, not a single state institution works there, there is no parliament, neither the upper house, nor the lower house chambers, this is a printer that will

issue you with any standards by the evening. any, open a new war, 15 minutes later the document is already signed by putin. any evil, it will be so scaled that in a community, political or within a country, whether in europe or the world, there is no way to stop it. sooner or later , we want to come to terms with the political system with the leadership that exists today. in russia, in the world , there is no green light for its existence, no. sooner or later, rather, at the most inconvenient time, you... will knock on the door and say, what you slept on two years ago, three years ago, evil, what you slept on,

what you did not decide and acted inadequately , it is now knocking on your door, and you are poles, or you are germans, or you are french, you will give the answer is the one you didn't give 5 years ago, in fact, the awakening of the world is, obviously, if you, if you remember... in the year 22, how for 16 hours french president macron spoke with putin, it's just a miracle, it's one of leaders of europe, calling the criminal who opened a new world war, what are you asking him, what are you begging him for? well, at the beginning of the conversation, put, well, put a healthy analysis, at your call he will release the territories that... he occupied, no, his plan for the escalation of new territories will change, no, which

the purpose of your calls, are the elections of chancellor scholze taking place, and in one of the interviews, the first interviews, he says that germany will not give to ukraine, as if the question was, what germany... will not give to ukraine? no, the question was, what will germany give to ukraine? so katzler began by devoting 2/3 of his speech to the fact that germany won't give, that won't give, that won't give, that won't give, that's gone, yes, and what will germany give? at the end of the video he says: germany will give 50 helmets and 2,500 field bags with a red cross. yes, that's exactly how it was. listen now and... chancellor scholz, he tears putin, and even on a human level, without any patience, he uses the most profound

characteristics of manners, actions, gestures. listen today, french president macron. as a person after all, all, how to say, these scenarios, i... to modernize the world, how to learn to respond to the disaster that russia brings, come to the concept of a new security and defense policy of europe, along with nato, when the president of the united of america said that the europeans should rethink their attitude to the formation of nato resources, europe is coming at the same time. to the fact that , along with nato, you should have your own author's project, which gives an answer to the urgent security of europe, and where in ukraine,

one of the most interesting places is allocated, and where, by the way, the european union commission is currently working on the first security project of europe, and the second commission, how to respond to the challenges brought by china, the united states of america, to the european economic... market, in this way i conclude that today we are witnessing a rethinking of very many established relations, and maybe russia in the 25 years of putin's reign, it has reached the lowest point of disrespect for itself, and for the policy it forms, i can definitely testify that... in the first row of countries that shape the politics of europe or the world, you will not find russia there, i i think that they, it is not in the second one either, it is, you know, a bolonochka, on which

water, let’s not name the leaders of other countries, and no more, and no more, the most dependent colonial state, which today exists with those unique opportunities, in more than 40% is concentrated in russia. of the world's wealth of resources, i have two blitz questions and one a little wider, so that we have time, because here we are talking about ukraine and its prospects. a blitz of questions, well you know that, you need to dispel myths, separate ones, don’t ask, won’t ask about nuclear weapons, because those documents were not signed in your time, but many people say so, well, that’s a common story, but it was necessary pressed in 2008 at the nato summit and... we would have been accepted into nato, then a number of countries gained membership there, there was expansion, and if very briefly, why then, i understand that it

is not from ukraine there. it depended, we remember putin, based on his words, we remember that ukraine is not even a state, but why then, or what they said, here's what they said to you, then you won't be able to catch up with the conditional chancellor of the federal republic of germany or something someone to say, well, come on, and how they argued, as if, well, they don't threaten you, well, what do you want, well, let's start with the year 94, the year 94... the year of the memorandum, which, i believe , from the point of view of the mission for the world, ukraine with its step put the last point in the end of the cold war, or as it is called the third war i think that the leadership of ukraine at that time had extremely high respect

for... the mission of guaranteeing the security of ukraine within the framework of the signed document. there are two direct clauses in the document that attest to the creation of a full guarantee of your territorial integrity and political sovereignty, and under this document is the signature of the president of the united states. the president of france, britain, the chairman of the people's assembly of china, one might say, of the entire nuclear club, from the position of 1994, one can read that, listen, there is no such document, such weight state of the world, except for ukraine, why in this way, because now it is possible to analyze, so

analytically already. and why tactical weapons were not taken out by brackets, were they not limited to carriers and so on, why did ukraine act the way it did and sign this memorandum. my short answer: we were one on one then, we were not supported by russia, obviously, in the way that ukraine would like to see. toolkit of ukrainian security formation, we were not supported by the united states, because the general task is the third nuclear one arsenal, must be dismantled, and it united the united states and russia, and it made it possible to connect the other three members of the nuclear club of the world, and when it was necessary to form even the constitutional period of relations. whether in

the 14th year or in the 22nd year, it was very difficult for us to form a round table of consultations with our guarantors, and until today, by the way, these five have not sat down at the table, well the five, no five, but the four never sat down at the table, and this, in my opinion, made for... the security of the security policy of the world a very unpleasant fact of history, i don't know how the world will talk, for example, with the north korean leadership about nuclear disarmament, when the time comes, or with iran, or with iran, or with pakistan, or with three more countries, about which we can already say today that the fact is rather everything is there. that

they have nuclear decoupling, how does it talk to them, what argument will the nuclear world, the nuclear club, give them when there is an example of ukraine, which sincerely and openly accepted the proposals of the nuclear club and suffered, by the way, the question, so this war, so to speak, in your opinion, there is an agreement today, i do not know at which level or on which channels? that it will not be ended in any case with the use of nuclear weapons, this is the war that russia started, well, at least now ukraine is directly participating in it as an opponent of the aggressor. nuclear conflict risk assessment of the nuclear factor by temperature everything is cooling, cooling, cooling and...