the enemy of our state, who kills ukrainians every day, who destroys our country every day, if we talk about this context, if we talk about a possibly informational context, including the context, because what happened today, it aims not only to destroy the ukrainian energy, or not only to destroy any other ukrainian infrastructure, this is first of all for any... russian propaganda machine, first of all informational influence, an informational means to demonstrate to one's fellow countrymen that look, we showed them, we will prove something to them, we took revenge on them there for the kursk region or for some of their failures, or for some of their failures, this is standard, power, great... russia, it is the task of each

shelling to demonstrate and, as they say to unite the so-called russian society, i am right, is it possible, do you have any other opinion about this? i wouldn't say that i have any other opinion on this matter, i really believe that today's massive combined attack on ukraine had a purpose, a really informational purpose. effect on russian society, to give at least something to the russians on a plate, to the ukrainians under fire, so that a wave of unnecessary questions does not arise, because waves of indignation, i think it sounds very funny when we talk about the russian federation, so that this does not happen, and precisely for that reason and not only for that reason this strike was implemented, according to my observations. this strike was also interesting

because the russian federation aimed at our energy industry in the context of gas storage and distribution facilities. if i understand correctly, in western ukraine we may be talking about the fact that in these gas locations, objects, as you like, can contain gas intended for europe, for european countries, well, at least for some countries that still consume there, for example, this one. ugh. and when russia fires at storage facilities with such gas, in which, in particular, there is gas for such countries as i understand, hungary, slovakia, where politicians have recently, in principle, for quite a long time in the case of hungary, broadcast to the world support for russia federation, i am not afraid of this word support of the russian federation, it seems to me that vladimir putin is trying.

it is possible to raise the stakes and escalate, escalate the situation after we escalated it in a controlled manner, in the situation with the kursk region, i liked how, if i am not mistaken, vitaliy portnikov outlined our defensive offensive on the kursk region and called it escalation with the aim of de-escalation, that is, and ... sometimes you have to push harder to make things easier in general. that is, in our situation, it is clear what we are doing, and the world accepts it, and moreover, agrees with it, but what vladimir putin is doing is trying to balance, balance now even our advantage in some sense. i don't know how successful he is, but it's pretty funny to watch the reactions, in particular. and such are the liberal russian

media, forgive me, god, sometimes we mention them in our conversations with andrii, jellyfish, jellyfish, it comes out of nowhere, we thank lera burlakova for this post, for this screen with news of a similar title: russia attacked ukraine, using more 100 rockets and about 100 drones hit the kyiv hydroelectric power station and other energy facilities, this is... a response to the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the kursk region. as fact, liberal russian media. we are absolutely sure that this is the answer to the situation in the kursk region, as if defeating everyone who reads them, and many people read them in the west, including representatives of democratic societies, democratic countries, who more or less speak russian , unfortunately , this is how they read it, and now it is being formed... in fact, this vision

is that if ukraine had not gone to kurshchyna, russia would not have so brutally shelled the ukrainian energy industry , and now it is not at all known how ukrainians, whom you support, which you spend your own... tax money will survive this winter, that's what they did, they and the russian liberal media, and the russian federation in general, after we brilliantly successfully disabled a certain percentage of the capacity of the kerch bridge, and it happened in october, if i'm not mistaken, on october 8, 2022, on the 10th or ninth, i don't remember exactly, we were going through a crazy mass attack. on the ukrainian energy industry itself, that is, everything actually repeats itself, and we enter, and the russians enter this circle again, and the main thing is the main thing - to avoid all kinds of such manipulations, and i would like these liberal media not

to pretend to be liberal, not to try to call themselves journalists in this aspect, obviously this is what we are seeing now, they are not journalists. this is an attempt to influence the opinion of those who are their consumers, they are not read in russia, they do not write for russians, they write for representatives of western societies who simply know the russian language and can consume it, why would anyone maybe for russians too, because we understand that there is still a certain percentage who are trying, so to speak, to capture the liberal media, and here i am more than convinced that a lot of so -called liberals in russian quotes are very well practicing these kremlin narratives for to keep their own citizens,

who do not have a positive attitude towards putin, but it is clear that they have a very similar , imperial position. position regarding his country, by the way, here is a little more information, russia spent on today's missile attack up to 1.3 billion dollars, forbes writes about it, and they note that this is a record figure for the entire time of a full-scale invasion, the volume was slightly smaller on december 29 last year. when there was also a very powerful shelling, including kyiv, if i am not mistaken, but there was talk of a figure of 700-800 million dollars, that is, we see that russia has money, they are ready to spend this money, and what, that

they don't care about such things, that's why i was always quite skeptical about... when someone there counts russian money, because well let's be frank, russia has money as long as there are countries that buy, that supply, with which russia trades, and in the first part of our conversation we mentioned one of these countries, india and china, which every day allow russia to receive to its state budget and not only to the state budget, but also to the budgets of pro-putin oligarchs. hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, well or not dollars, it doesn't make a big difference, but we should probably talk more about what we should do, how we should act in ukraine, and how we should lead

our policy, including information policy, it seems to me a bit of a painful issue, perhaps because we... we ourselves work with you with information, and this is what we are in every day, and this is the information policy in our country, well, i would like it to become a strong link, you know, but in the context of our statehood, for now, it seems to be weighing heavily on me, why? well, i think that's partly what we 're arguing now. we all know about the arrest of pavel durov, he is the inventor of the vkontakte social network, which is now totally, totally controlled by the fsb. and thank you very much from 2016 year, without special tricks, lotions and applications, ukrainians from the territory of our country, at least, cannot enter vkontakte, classmates and so on, in short, unfortunately, ukrainians consume information from social

networks, why i say unfortunately, because we do not always we can talk about some verified sources of information, so very often tv channels. they are nameless, and you don't know to the end who leads them, well, excuse me, if andriy smolii has a telegram channel, then i know, at least, that it is andrii smolii, that he is my colleague. and that it is the person who carries responsibility for the information that appears in the telegram channel under his name, and a huge number of telegram channels are in the status of unknown who, and under whom, and unknown for whom or against whom, telegram was invented and controlled by pavlo durov, well and the telegram team said that the actual arrest of the head does not affect the situation with the availability of this network for consumers. this brought us back to the topic, in a healthy sense, of regulating the situation with

telegrams in ukraine. if it is a platform, a hefty platform on which they appear entities that position themselves as sources of information in our country, it would be fair for ukrainians to understand what it is and what they eat it with, what responsibility it bears, who to turn to, if something... is, well, let's say yes, it is discreditable in some sense, but this is not there, unfortunately, this is not in our country, and this is a big question, andrei, how, as a person who is familiar, not just an acquaintance, as a person who devotes a large part of his life, andrey may seem a little sad and sleepy to you today, he is a person who actually spent the whole night with you and the whole day today so that you understand what is happening in our heaven in general, so how do you look at this... this story with durov, with the telegram, and is it time to talk about the topic of responsibility in this

social network? i would say that in general, we need to talk comprehensively not only about the regulation of telegram, but in general about the regulation of any social networks, by the way, when a bill on the regulation of social networks was submitted to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, there was no it says that this is a telegram adjustment, huh. it is written that ukraine, a state that is in the context of a large-scale war, in the context of a hybrid war, in the context of geopolitical upheavals, a geopolitical, in fact, rupture of two civilizations, which is fighting today for the civilized world, what this country, that is, our country, should regulate in general... here is more

once i want to emphasize that we have other social networks, including those that carry a threat, an informational threat every day, that actually creep into the brains of our citizens, and affect ours, this is also tiktok, for example, which in my opinion should be regulated by ukrainian. no less than telegram, and in many places in the world it is already regulated, established, fakes, so many lies, so many racist narratives, which, for example, are in tiktok, well, i don’t know, social networks, others, where, where exactly , this, why, this is another, why am i talking about this, why, why am i talking about this, because tiktok is first and foremost an entertainment network, and a network of quick and short videos. no

need to think, no need to read, even if we are talking about fakes, which are distributed in telegram, then, for example, in tiktok you don't need to read it, it's entertainment content, and where russia, as they say, has always succeeded in its hybrid struggle in entertainment content, their entertainment content is the number one propaganda. content on the territory of russia, on the territory of the so- called, as they envisioned, the post-soviet space. this is the problem, and we see how many anti-ukrainian things there are, which, unfortunately, our citizens calmly consume. and that's not all, there are other social ones networks, including, in my opinion, various platforms on which, again , russian content is promoted. legal, there are legal platforms where ukrainians can pay for russian content,

right there in the context of listening to music, watching russian movies, yes, for example, if you do not go to any network there, for example, spotify, the same, apple music, this all comes in the context of the fact that we must limit russian influence in ukraine, if we do not do this, then first of all, the russian budget will be... to get their bloody rubles for the war in ukraine, secondly, russia will continue to fill the heads of ukrainians, and thirdly, there may be... anything, terrorism, we see there, which, by the way, are now "apply to the telegram social network, yes, yes, let's remind you that there is a whole, whole list, and you can voice it now, well, in fact, the claims against durov, it's just very interesting and important, emmanuel macron himself, the president of france, said that this is in no way a political

persecution, all this happened, that is, the detention took place as part of an investigation possible crimes in the... telegram network related to drugs, if i'm not mistaken, and there you need to look at the specific wording, it's about very, very, very specific things, not about something abstract, and you know, it's just tremendously interesting, how the russian z public reacted to it, they also have millionaires, and it is extremely interesting, i will not. i subscribe to it myself, because in the information field, this is my job, i will not look at what they write, analyze it and understand what they think and what they breathe advertise and i won't name him, but one of the large, almost a million, if i'm not mistaken, subscribers of russian publications dedicated to the war and the russian military, who are doing all that on the territory

of our country, against which we are now fighting, here he outlined a. .. the detention of durov, as, i quote, in fact, the detention of the chief of communications of the armed forces of the russian federation. it's an audience that's completely military -themed, that has a lot of insight from its military, that has exclusive video that it even resorts to some kind of military analytics, that is, everything that we do is a mirror image of that. and this, this public admits that with the arrest of durov they will have a russian connection, by the way, 12, 12 crimes are highlighted by the french law enforcement officers, and in particular, complicity in the distribution of drugs, yes, complicity in cybercrimes, complicity in fraud,

refusal to provide information at the request of law enforcement agencies, money laundering, illegal provision of... cryptographic services, complicity in the possession of child porn, well that is, as they say, a full bouquet, and the state does not control it, i am not saying that the state should directly interfere in the work of the social network, but when it comes to a direct violation of the law, or a number of laws or dozens of laws, then this simply cannot be , that... well, it’s just that somewhere, somewhere, the state, somewhere, the law, and somewhere a social network, and now, well, no, these processes can’t go completely parallel, they still have to be somehow connected, and now a bunch of stones will fly at you, after all, we are a democratic state, from where we want, from where we take information and those who want and do not show

their face, then give information, what we want, we do. this is actually a very anarchic approach in general and not too much about the state, it’s as if we are building it here, however, we want to both support and preserve it, the point is, the point is that my relative lives in canada, and she is terribly is concerned about the situation in ukraine, recently she... does not know where to get information about what is happening in ukraine, because most often she took it from social networks, well, that is , the official publications of some ukrainian publications, ukrainian pravda, espresso, and any other adequate media, and any content of an informative, newsy nature about the political and military situation, not only in our country, but also in the world, just a few

months ago, when i sent her another link, link to... this one on facebook from ukrainian pravda, if i'm not mistaken, she said: i can't open, ugh, i can't open what 's going on, i mean i'm sending her something from espresso, what else, she says , and no, they write to me here that i cannot consume this one content of an informational news nature, because it is content from zmi, if you want to consume it, then please go to their sites, to their sites on the internet and there. look, this is how democratic canada limits the manipulativeness of social networks in the context of information, someone will call it... crazy censorship, this does not only apply to the ukrainian media, but you understand that they limit the spread of news on social networks and from their own media, they they simply

believe that social networks are not at all the best platform to exchange information of a news nature, and well , that may be the information policy of this state, speaking to the discussion, for example, i do not think so, my subjective opinion is that... social networks now, even, why american social networks, they are a source, yes, of news, politicians, no, you understand the point, the source of news must be the media or a responsible person, yes, with a certain, well, social status and probably, even capital, to which you can , excuse me, knock and put her a few questions, why did you andriy smoliy write teto teto and not teto, and you have to keep this punch? answers for what was said under your name, but i think that in this context they, they are cooler, in this case, if only this plane is considered,

to protect their citizens from any manipulations at the level of social networks, where people hastily information is collected in a hurry, there is no time to read, the first two sentences are there and that is enough to understand what is being discussed, it seems to people, and returning to the topic of the headlines, what are we talking about you... we talked about in the first part, what medusa is manipulating now, russian liberal journalism, is also a big problem, and that's why, when we talk about the formation of some kind of coherent, coherent concept of information policy in our country, i'm a little sorry that on the one hand, we close, completely open and under the ownership of the media, so we close on certain sites, i am talking now about t2 there for example. since the beginning of the war there espresso direct fifth were from the network as if eliminated, but on the other hand we are talking about the absolute,

absolute carte blanche to anonymous telegram channels, and it is not, well, it is not okay, well , because it is beneficial to someone, it is beneficial to someone, but in general, if we are talking about the information policy of the state, i have already repeatedly and here we have discussed how many times on this matter, information flow... in ukraine, it is not integral, it is not designed to fully protect our citizens from russian informational hybrid aggression, and this is the main issue for us, i am saying this for probably the millionth time, we do not have a minister of culture and information policy, it seems to me that we do not have any full-fledged concept of how the ministry, let's say, sees its role in

promoting this integrated information policy, i believe that we are doing very little in the context of banning russian content in ukraine , and you can say a million times that this is not democratic, but i will say it again, this is the content of the state and... the content of the people who were launched over ukraine today, how many 129 missiles are there, this is the content of the people and the content of the country, and honors - this content is controlled completely russian with special services, which today launched 109 shaheds across ukraine. this is the content of people who came to our land and who made bucha, izyum, mariupol. olenivka, who killed hundreds and thousands of children, who maimed tens of thousands of our citizens, including

the military. what is this content doing here in ukraine? why do i read every day, including today, how russian cartoons are available. it hurts so much you will talk now, it hurts me very much in ukrainian youtube and ukrainians to their young children, who two or three, 4, 5, 10 years ago, today, even today, when a terrible attack was taking place, our fellow citizens demonstrated to their children, let's decipher a little, that's how i saw this post of yours, a repost from natalka vorozhbyt, i'll just quote to just be. it is clear what we are talking about: a morning in kyiv is when a man gently touches your shoulder and gently says: baby, there are rockets flying, coffee is already on the table, and then, after coffee,

on a beautiful sunny morning, you go down to a dark... parking lot , and there they separated the zone with chairs and tables and coffee is also poured, children and dogs are running, laughter is heard, and then the children's parents turn on a cartoon in russian, and you sit like this, tolerant, smile at the neighbors, but in 10 minutes you get up and go to your ninth floor and think, well you, well you, i’d rather listen to how they are being beaten, it’s very painful, in fact, it hurts that, well, as a mother, it’s terribly difficult for me to raise a ukrainian-speaking child in ukraine, i thought it would be a little easier when the large-scale invasion began, no, that is, we were the only fully ukrainian-speaking child in kindergarten, and at school, a few more classmates were added there, and it’s nothing, this percentage is nothing compared to the total mass of children, i don’t want to moralize, but... but

the problem of russian content on the internet, it ’s really a problem for the future generation, this youtube with its algorithms pushes our children to the maximum to watch russian, if at least once he poked something russian there and watched it, and this is a terrible tragedy that we are still unable to understand, please. you wash your hands before food, what kind of child, i'm sorry, we don't follow what goes into our children's heads, it's possible that it was a bit emotional now, there was a retreat, but i was waiting for an opportunity to speak out, because but simply, in addition to the fact that this is a problem, a personal problem of people , who make a choice or do not make this choice at all, because it does not matter to them

whether absolutely or absolutely. or absolutely indifferent, but i want to say something else, this is the problem of the lack of a full-fledged information policy in our country, well, this is the problem, and i do not believe that what cannot be done at least partially limit this content on the territory of ukraine, well , i don't believe it, well, if the whole state of democracy with z z z 100, 200, 300 is a thing. according to the traditions of democratic values, today they regulate content on their territory, to show some content and not to show some content, but according to the law they do not want this content to be shown on their territory, and i apologize, any social network does not show it, do we? cannot develop and pass laws that, at least on legal

platforms... will stop the flow of racism information flow, which simply chokes , first of all, children and teenagers, that's why i started talking about tiktok, because, above all, it is tiktok that today owns the minds, owns various kinds of behavioral things of ukrainian young people, ukrainian children, ukrainian teenagers, and what are they do they consume russia? content, why should, for example, russian, in russian, russian music in general, on legal platforms, be available on our territory, why, well, we can’t stop it, we can do it, but we don’t regulate it, so when i talk about legislation, about regulating the activities of telegram, tik tok, google as well, youtube, well, google youtube.

and so on and so on, this does not mean that we are becoming an undemocratic country, it means that we are protecting our democracy, our country from the interference of the enemy, but this information policy , unfortunately, does not exist in the country, i do not hear from the officials, from ministers, from deputies to raise this topic, i hear only a few, a few people who... talk about it, and what to do, what the specialized departments do, it's theirs task, and you are absolutely right, it is a tragedy that, unfortunately, and this is the russian peace that in our country, unfortunately, every day it seems that it is just growing, it is just like a snowball going to consumes our country.