letters in terms of certain changes in the evolution of thoughts and consciousness of society on one or another topic. and tell me, please, what this study illustrated for you, what conclusions can we draw? it should be said that the processes in ukraine were still moving in the right direction, but they were moving quite gradually, and the first... such a push was in the 14th year, when there were the first quite significant changes, but now, after the start of a full-scale war, these are just well, the changes are colossal, ukraine in general all the time made their main geopolitical choice there, how a country that is located between europe and russia, and we... had fluctuations, we

changed presidents from pro-russian to pro-european and vice versa, and even in the 14th year there was such a first significant change, when the majority was oriented towards europe, but it was such a not very reliable majority, because regionally the east and the south were against it. of europe and very strongly against nato. and only now the regional difference in geopolitical orientations has practically disappeared and various other changes have taken place. well, as for geopolitical changes, almost 80% now support the accession to the european union and... the accession to nato and the difference between the regions is not

very big, and this also applies to holidays, which are one of such indicators, we know what a big holiday it is for the united states, but for ukraine it is not was a big holiday, if back in the 13th year independence day was considered a favorite or important holiday by only 12 percent of the population, it was somewhere at the end, next to constitution day and labor day, and even now this situation has changed, and the percentage of those who considers it the most important holiday, he increased from 12 to 64%. and this holiday rose from the bottom to the third place, because in our country... traditionally, easter and christmas

occupy the first two places among favorite or important holidays, and this applied not only to her independence day, but also to other state holidays, actually here is defender of ukraine day, it was also 10% when it was first established, and now it is 50... 8%, it comes right after independence day, and even constitution day was also four, but it became 28, well, constitution day was actually the last holiday, and i think that it is the fault of our deputies, because they treated the constitution that way, every political force that came to power changed the constitution to suit itself. as it was convenient for her, and

such disrespect on the part of the verkhovna rada led to the fact that her people, too, the population of ukraine also treated him that way, but now this holiday is somewhere in the list of 28%, that is , state holidays have all increased, mr. volodymyr, let's go from holiday context to context. probably ideological or historical, right? what in general would i like? i would like to talk about the context is probably the perception of ukraine in the soviet union or the soviet union. this is your sociology, it says that the majority of ukrainians believe that ukraine was deprived of statehood as part of the ussr.

in particular, this opinion was expressed by 54% of our citizens, let's show, please, you can see, yes, at the same time, at the moment. 26% of our citizens believe that ukraine still had a certain statehood, and if we talk about the context of changes, then in 2013 , 36% of our citizens believed that ukraine was deprived of statehood as part of the ussr, and at the same time we see that 40% 13. again in the same year believed that ukraine still had some statehood. what does this indicate? that is, after all, we see that there is a certain difference here, different interpretations, different views by our citizens, the position of ukraine within

the soviet union, but this, this number is changing, this sociology is changing, what? this shows whether we are going to the point where the majority of our citizens will sooner or later recognize the soviet period as a period of occupation our country, the occupation of our people by, well, russia, in fact, which then simply had a different name. well, this question was inserted because we are interested in whether? there is a consensus in society on some historical problems regarding the attitude to the past, and we had a few more such interesting questions that were put to stalin, whether people

would vote for kravchuk now , would they vote for chornovol and uh in principle, these questions are what are the indicators of statehood, to what extent it can be said that there was statehood, these are concepts that have scholars to decide, and i think you are absolutely right, that the fact that more and more people now believe that ukraine was deprived of statehood, despite the fact that ukraine was a member of nato and so on, it shows that people are still after all... now it is better understood that in many ways it was such an illustration or a show-off, that is, that it was unreal independence, not real

statehood, but as some kind of imitation, and it is also interesting that the question we asked about , if there were the first ones... now you would be in the 91st year and you can vote for leonid kravchuk or vyacheslav chornovola, who did you vote for? and in the 1991 elections, leonid kravchuk was chosen, 62% voted for kravchuk and only 23 for chornovol, almost three times less, and now the situation is simply drastic. changed and only 14% would have voted for krovchuk and 86 for chornovol, that is, the attitude and understanding of what is useful for ukraine, what is not, and what path it should choose,

this has changed very much, well, unfortunately, this did not happen in 1991 th year, but only after all the events that took place with ukraine and... especially the last, last terrible war. mr. volodymyr, very briefly, you know what caught my eye in this study, the support of ukrainians for the independence of ukraine remains relatively stable, kmis data show that it has fluctuated around 90% for the past 10 years, and today it is 87%. but the share of those who seek unification with russia decreased from more than 15 to almost zero, i am very happy that it is almost zero, but this 13%, who are either undecided about independence, or would like dependence on someone, but not from russia, and that is, how to interpret correctly, how correctly, what they want, what, what these people really think, what is

their position, unfortunately, we have a part of people who, regardless of anything, or the war and... nevertheless, they have a positive attitude towards russia, and we also see that a certain part of people who are in the occupied... territories, well, some not voluntarily, some forcibly, but some part emigrates and goes to russia voluntarily , get paid, and in addition, we have another percentage, we have conducted special experiments that show that 6%, we certainly hope to discuss this phenomenon with you, which, unfortunately, is present and it is important to recognize and investigate it already. next time, mr. volodymyr, thank you very much for joining yeter, volodymyr panioto, president of the kyiv international

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their prospects for development in the near future . yourself on topics that may concern ukrainian society and definitely deserve your attention. let's go. well, of course, we remind you first about the survey. we will definitely talk about this topic, and our poll today is as follows: do you think it is necessary to regulate the activities of telegram in ukraine, if... yes , call 0800-211-381, if not, 080-211-382, all your calls are absolutely free, and in 40 minutes we will sum up and let's find out what you think. well, let's start, of course, with

today's black day for the ukrainian energy industry, for ukraine, in general. because any massive shelling, any strikes, any terrorist acts by the occupying state is a disaster for ukraine, it is a disaster for the ukrainian people, because it is the dead, it is the wounded, it is destroyed ukrainian infrastructure, this is ukrainian business, which today, unfortunately, again does not maintain profits due to the fact that there are blackouts throughout the country, a terrorist is a terrorist. and we must not forget about this, we must remember who is the enemy of our state, who kills ukrainians every day, who destroys our country every day, if we talk about this context, if we talk about possibly an informational context, because what happened

today is aimed not only at destroying the ukrainian energy industry, but not only to destroy... any other ukrainian infrastructure, this is first of all for any russian propaganda machine, first of all an informational influence, an informational tool to demonstrate to our fellow citizens that look, we showed them, we will prove something to them, we took revenge on them there for the kursk region, or for some of their failures, or for some... their failures, this is standard, the power of great russia, this is the task of each shelling to demonstrate and, as they say, to unite the so -called russian society, i right i say, do you have any other opinion about this? i wouldn't say that i have any other opinion on this matter, i really

believe that today's massive combined attack on ukraine... had the purpose, the purpose of having a really informational and psychological influence on russian society, to give at least something to the russians on a plate, shelled ukrainians, so that there would not be a wave of unnecessary questions, because the wave of indignation, i think it sounds very funny, when we are talking about the russian federation, so that it did not happen, that is exactly why and not only why. lysed this blow, for according to my observations, this attack was also interesting because of what the russian federation aimed at our energy industry in the context of gas storage and distribution facilities, if i understand correctly, in western ukraine we can be talking about the fact that in these gas locations, objects

such as whatever, there may be gas intended for europe, for european countries. well , at least for some countries that still consume there, for example, this transit gas, transit fuel, and when russia fires at storage facilities with such gas, which in particular contain gas for countries like me i understand hungary, slovakia, where politicians have recently, and in principle for quite a long time in the case of hungary, broadcast their support for the russian federation to the world, but i am not afraid of that. support of the russian federation, it seems to me that vladimir putin is trying to maybe raise the stakes and escalate, escalate the situation after it was escalated in a controlled manner by us, in the situation with the kursk region, i liked how, if i'm not mistaken, vitaly portnikov outlined

our defensive offensive on kurshchyna and... called it is an escalation for the purpose of de-escalation, that is , sometimes you have to push harder in order to generally ease the situation, uh, that is , in our situation, it is clear what we are doing, and the world accepts it and, moreover, agrees with it, and here it is, what vladimir putin is doing is an attempt to balance, to balance our advantage in some sense now, and i don't know to what extent he succeeds in this, but... it's quite funny to watch how the liberal russian media in particular react, sorry , lord, sometimes we mention them in our conversations with andrii. news with a similar headline: russia attacked burlakova for this post for this screenshot from

ukraine, using more than 100 missiles and about 100 drones, under the attack of kyivska gest and other energy facilities, this is a response to the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the kursk region, as an established fact , a liberal russian media outlet. are absolutely sure that this is a response to the situation in kursk region, as if undermining everyone who reads them, and many people read them in the west, and in particular representatives of democratic societies, democratic countries, who more or less fluent in russian, unfortunately, that's how they read it, and now, in fact, such a vision is being formed that if ukraine had not gone to kurshchyna, russia would not have bombarded the ukrainian energy sector so brutally. now it is not at all known how the ukrainians, whom you support, on whom you spend your own tax money, will survive this winter, the same thing they did, they and the russian liberal

media, and the russian federation in general, after we brilliantly successfully disabled a certain percentage of the capacity of the kerch bridge, and it happened in october, if not i'm wrong, october 8, 2022, it's already the 10th , i don't remember exactly where. we went through a crazy mass attack on the ukrainian energy industry itself, that is, everything is actually repeating itself, and we enter, and the russians enter this circle again, and the main thing, the main thing is to avoid all kinds of such manipulations, and i would like these liberal media not to pretend to be liberal, not tried to call themselves magazines now. in this aspect, it is obvious that what we are seeing now is not journalism, it is an attempt to influence the opinion of those who are their consumers, they are not read in russia,

they don't write for russians, they write for representatives of western societies who simply know the russian language and can use it, so why did someone, some certain threshold, maybe a full-scale invasion, was a little smaller. volume on december 29 of last year, when there was also a very powerful shelling, including kyiv, if i am not mistaken, but there was talk of a figure of 700-800 million dollars, that is, we see that russia has money, it is this money ready to spend, and what, what, what they don't. sorry for such things, that's why i i have always been quite skeptical about the fact that someone there counts russian money, because , let's be honest, in russia there is money

as long as there are countries that buy, that supply, with which russia trades, and we are in the first part of our conversation they mentioned one of these countries, india and china, which every day allow russia to receive hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars for its state budget, and not only for... the state budget, but also for the budgets of pro-putin oligarchs, well or not there is no big one differences, but we should talk, probably, rather about what we should do, how we should act in ukraine, and how we should conduct our policy, including... informational, it seems to me a bit of a painful issue, maybe that's why that we ourselves work with you with information, and this is what we are in every day, and the information policy in our country, well, i would like it

to become a strong link, you know, in the context of our statehood, while, in my opinion sags a lot, why? well, i think that's partly what we're arguing now, we all know about the arrest of pavlo durov, the inventor of the social network. vkontakte, which is now totally, totally controlled by the fsb, and thank you very much since 2016, without special gadgets, lotions and applications, ukrainians from the territory of our state, at least, cannot enter vkontakte, classmates and so on, in short, unfortunately, ukrainians consume information from social networks, why i say unfortunately, because we cannot always talk about any checks. sources of information, so very often channels in telegram, they are nameless, and you you don't know until the end who is leading them, well, i'm sorry if andriy smoliy has a telegram channel. i

know, at least, that this is andrii smolii, that this is my colleague, and that this is the person who is responsible for the information that appears in the telegram channel under his name, and a huge number of telegram channels are in the status , it is not known who, and it is not known under whom, and it is not known for whom or against whom, telegram was invented and controlled by pavlo durov, and the telegram team said that the actual arrest of the leader has no effect. situation with the availability of this networks for consumers, and this brought us back to the topic, in a healthy sense of regulating the situation with telegram in ukraine, if this is a platform, a solid platform, on which entities that position themselves as sources of information in our country appear, then it was fair would, so that ukrainians would understand what it is and

what it is eaten with, what responsibility it bears, who to turn to if something sounds like it, well, let's say, discreditable in some sense, but this does not exist, unfortunately, in our country no, and this is a big question: andrei, as a person who is familiar, not just an acquaintance, as a person who devotes a large part of his life, today andrei may seem a little sad and sleepy to you, he is a person who spent practically the whole night and the whole day today with you. in order for you to understand what is happening in our heaven in general. so, how do you look at this whole story with durov, with telegram, and is it time to talk about responsibility in this social network? i would say that we need to talk comprehensively not only about regulation of telegram, but in general about regulation of any social networks. by the way, when the draft law on regulation was submitted to the verkhovna rada of ukraine.

social networks, it was not written there that this is a regulation of telegram, it is written that ukraine, a state that is in the context of a large-scale war, in the context of a hybrid war, in the context of geopolitical upheavals, a geopolitical, in fact, rupture of two civilizations, which is fighting today for a civilized the world, that this country... that is , our country should generally regulate the issue of access, well, actually some pro-russian, russian narratives to social networks, and this does not only apply to telegram, i want to emphasize here once again that we have other social networks, which also carry a threat, an informational threat every day, which actually creep into the brains of our citizens, ugh, and affect ours, these are the

same ones. for example, which in my opinion should be regulated by ukrainian legislation no less than telegram, it is already regulated in many places in the world, that the number of fakes, such a number of lies, such a number of racist narratives that, for example, are in tiktok, well, i don't know other social networks, where exactly this is , why, this is what i'm talking about, why, why i 'm still talking about this, because tiktok is first of all. an entertainment network, and a network of quick and short videos, you don't have to watch two hours of smoliya and yatski, you understand, that is, it's a social network where you don't need to think, you don't need to read, even if we're talking about fakes that are distributed in telegram, for example, you don't need to read it in tiktok, it's entertaining content, but where we always have russia, as they say, succeeded, actually in her own way.