and those who doubted ukraine because of two things: the first is to use what is such a phraseology that this war has reached a dead end, that ukraine is not even able to defend its territory and surrenders 100 m of territory in the east in a week, that is, this rhetoric is no longer relevant, because we have shown the ability to concentrate forces and means and conduct military operations absolutely in accordance with western standards. and the second point is about peace, again, they tried to pressure us into certain compromises, actually, based on a false idea that there is, therefore, the first and the most important thing is a stalemate, and the second thing is that any, any war ends with negotiations, and the time has come for ukraine, which is tired, and the ukrainians do not want to fight any longer, then a window of opportunity opens, so thank god that these two positions, they are now...

no longer relevant, mr. oleksandr, yesterday , when russia launched a massive attack on the territory of ukraine, putin held a meeting and spoke about the russian economy, the meaning of what putin said was that the success of the russian army in the war against ukraine is the main condition for the further development of russia. let's listen to this small fragment of what was said. today, i propose to discuss the main directions of economic policy for the period until 2030, including the strengthening of the economic base for the successful completion of a special military operation. this, as i have already said, is the main, basic condition for the implementation of russia's long-term development plans. did i understand correctly, mr. oleksandr. that in this case

, putin says that only by destroying ukraine, they have a chance for long-term development. of course, you know, there is a metaphor like the monkey has grabbed a nut and cannot let it go, because it is oppressed by greed and cannot pull its hand out of the undergrowth, and russia itself is in such a position, because international sanctions are currently in effect. no matter how much we criticize them, and indeed they did not give the result that we expected that russia would sprinkle earlier, but it is clear that in a strategic perspective they are undermining the russian economy, and russia will not be able to do basic things for several years, and the second point, of course, that only after the end of the war, putin can hope that this sanctions regime will begin to fall, and russia will have the opportunity to use the western fin.

system and receive technologies and hope for the return of certain companies, so of course he is right in this, he is also right from the point of view that now up to half of the russian budget goes to the war and war-related things, and starting of course with own weapons, those salaries, which are additional payments to the military, but also those investments that go into the defense industry. well, of course, everything is connected with the war economy, and it is clear that even the russian economy, which is larger than ours, which has found an opportunity to circumvent sanctions in certain matters, is still suffering in this war, and therefore only with the end of the war can these resources be somehow distributed and we can hope for a return to the economy there peacetime, and of course plus...

putin would like to get access to our resources in the captured territories, and actually, let's say this, you also know this, you can also use such a historical metaphor, how the mongolian empire expanded, they captured certain territories, converted those people in those territories into troops, and actually owned those resources in those territories that were in order to expand further. well, the actual model of the russian empire is constant expansion, they need resources for this, and of course they use the resources of conquered peoples, such as human resources, of course natural minerals there, or in our case it can be some infrastructure or enterprises there, so yes putin is right, but i think that at such rates as they are are fighting, is it unlikely that we will be able to end this war, of course there are limiting factors for us as well, primarily restraining it. a factor in

washington that actually does not allow us, let's say, to achieve the results we hope for faster, so of course putin... putin is trying to show confidence and i think that also the factor of waiting for the arrival, maybe the arrival of trump should not be to be written off, because trump is very broad, but constantly says that he agreed, he will put pressure on both leaders of the countries, and that he can actually do it in 24 hours to end this war, so all these things, of course, they affect putin, well , there are probably more... i will say such a moment, a few weeks ago the head of the central bank, navibulina, spoke, and of course, her speech was quite cold-hearted, i i would say that despite all the bravado, despite the traditionally russian lies, that the russians and the russian

economy, they simply scattered in this war, on the contrary, it spoke of big problems, and the most important problem is the labor force, because immediately ... that young people are now being sent to be slaughtered in ukraine, a part of intelligent russians, she simply took her gifts and went somewhere to other countries, well, plus traditional russian xenophobia, racism, they push away representatives of central asia and other countries from russia, and it is clear that they cannot replace the lack of labor force, qualified workforce in the russian federation, so he can... plan something for himself there, but there are objective factors that are unlikely to allow him, during the war, to somehow level the economy, so he actually hopes that he will succeed do it by the end of this war. mr. oleksandr, sergey lavrov categorically rejects the possibility

of negotiations between ukraine and russia based on the zelenskyi formula, he says that the event is now on the verge of escalation with russia. is about ukraine's intention to use stormshad missiles to attack the russian federation, let's listen to what lavrov has to say. everything that is in a series of measures that promote zelenskyi's formula as an alternative solution, of course, can only be considered by some dreamers in ukraine and in the west. in parallel with what according to lavov, russia does not want to bite, there is also the initiative of china, brazil, indonesia and south africa, and this was stated by the special

representative of the chinese government for eurasian affairs lihui, he said that there is a peace plan for ukraine, i will quote lihui, regarding the ukrainian crisis, well, that's what they call russia's war against ukraine. the three countries have positions similar to the chinese side, they support communication with both russia and ukraine and remain committed to the political settlement of the conflict through dialogue and negotiations, that is, the cessation of hostilities actions, this plan includes preventing the escalation of the conflict, expansion into new territories, recognition that dialogues and negotiations are the only possible way to resolve the crisis, non-use of nuclear weapons, well, it has been declared for a long time. china, er, judging by lavrov's rhetoric, will any format of er changes with ukraine somehow suit them or not, or did they just linger and say that until we destroy ukraine, as they say, we will not

conduct a successful special military operation, until, until we will not at all something to talk about, you know, basic stuff. there is the fact that for the normal world, the civilized world, diplomacy is a way to find understanding, compromises and establish peace or solve some problem. for russia , diplomacy is just another tool of war, and therefore, of course, the russians can agree to play sino-brazilian games in order to show their constructiveness, of course in quotes, in order not to lose the support of either the chinese or others. .. countries of the so-called global south, by the way, in financial times, yesterday or the day before yesterday there was a very good note about the secret talks between wang yi, the foreign minister of china, and jake sullivan, the national security adviser to the president of the united states, and

there, in every meeting , ukraine was discussed, not only about the relations between these two great countries, but also about ukraine and the chinese. certain steps towards the meeting were taken, but they are insufficient and are constantly exposed to criticism from the americans that, in fact, if china did not help the russian federation, the war would have already ended, so of course putin. should, let's say, take into account the chinese factor in the extent to which it should show readiness for some kind of negotiations, but in fact in russia they did not expect, let's say, they do not rely on diplomacy, they think that they can break us quietly in so they are in this war, a war of attrition, and secondly, they hope for trump to come to power in the united states. it could either be pressure on us, or there could be chaos in the united states, and then

there would be no help, or there would be no in time, and then other opportunities will open up, and then, if there is trump in the united states, we cannot even imagine what will happen in europe, which on the one hand will be left alone with russia, on the other hand they will have to consider, what to give to ukraine, how to help and what to spend on its own defense, if this umbrella has security... the united states will not be there, or it will be weakened, so i do not believe in negotiations with russia, and most importantly, i think, here is the key thesis : this war has a genocidal character, genocide is not possible stop with negotiations, the only negotiations that can help stop the genocide are negotiations on the transfer of weapons, other defense aid, humanitarian, economic aid, which ukraine has been doing in principle since the 22nd year, but direct victories with russia... well, well we can imagine the worst situations for ukraine, if,

for example, by the end of the year, or during the winter , we will have a critical energy situation, if, let's say, there will be failures on the fronts, and there may be some problems in the kurdish direction, then of course what we like nation, and of course, our leadership may be faced with a problem and will be forced to start some... some kind of dialogue, but thank god, there are no such signs, and there is the determination of ukrainian society, a public opinion poll conducted by the brazunkov foundation showed that, despite on what has increased to 44% and the share of ukrainian society that believes that the time has come for negotiations, but the majority there, somewhere from 70 to 80%, are not ready to make territorial concessions to russia. federation, that is, people want change, but absolutely against any

positions for which the russian federation is the starting point, because the starting positions are territorial, then there are restrictions on ukrainian sovereignty, this is not ukraine's accession to nato, i think that the russians also want to limit the possibility of ukraine's integration into the european union, here we are absolutely not we have to cry out some illusions, i think that there will be other demands regarding domestic policy. this is the language, this is the legalization of the fifth column, including the gundyaiv patriarchate in ukraine, so it is clear that we cannot agree to such conditions, if we are unable to defend our country further, if our partners do not turn their backs on us, but so far, thank god, i have not heard such, such notes from the europeans, and thank god that what is happening in washington now, and the election campaign, it also... gives us hope that everything can be different and those who can

sacrifice ukraine at the expense of their ambitions will not come to power. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert on foreign and security policy, center defense strategies. friends, we are going further, and i remind you that during the entire broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about this, have you encountered armed propaganda in telegram, right? no, well, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a broader and completely different, ambiguous answer, please write it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, take an expensive smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0,800 211 381, yes, no, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free of charge, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch... tsibulko, political analyst, writer, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and thank you for

joining the broadcast. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. mr. volodymyr, today president zelensky announced that he will present the prepared plan for the victory of ukraine, which includes various directions, to president joe biden in september, and will also hand it over to the candidates for the presidency of the united states america, i mean. donald trump and kamala harris. let's listen to what zelensky said. one of the directions, part of which has already been completed, is kurchen. the second direction is the strategic place of ukraine in the security infrastructure of the world. the third direction is a package of coercion, a powerful package of coercion of russia until the end of the war, by diplomatic means. and

the fourth direction is economic about... i will not talk about all this in detail, the plan is prepared, i think it is fair, if i present this plan first to the president of the united states, success depends on it of this plan, will they give us what is in this plan or not, mr. volodymyr, should ukrainians know what this plan for zelensky's victory is? well, i heard maryana bezugla's handwriting in this speech. and why because in fact, it is uh, well, i would say yes, uh, it is a smoke screen, that is, someone from zelensky is very much under the spell of his international communications, especially, he talked to narendra modi, and narendra modi insists that

only through dialogue, only through diplomatic instruments, so to speak... then information appeared that china, brazil and the republic of south africa also agreed on their, so to speak, outline of the plan, their proposals to ukraine and russia, well, the whole problem is that these plans, if zelensky had not drawn them up, would still rest on putin's psyche. and that's why it looks strange after donald trump's statements that he will seat everyone there at the transition table that ukraine should not be given weapons, it looks, well, really depressing, now, by the way, in some countries there are all kinds of rallies to stop ukraine to provide weapons, that is, it

looks immoral and scottish, because uh... people come to rallies to help rape ukraine, that is, what drives these people, is zelensky really determined to win, i'm not sure, because what is being done in the ukrainian economy by his hands environment, this is the destruction of ukraine, which does not bring us closer to victory, but mr. volodymyr, about... about this, about the plan for victory, about the fact that this plan needs to be presented to biden first, as i understand it, and then to the participants the next peace forum to be held at the end of the 24th year, and you correctly say that in the conditions of putin's mood and attitude towards

ukraine, who... sees only one way, the way of surrender of ukraine to russia, this is the only way to the peace that putin sees , or is what zelensky said, what he declares, is it enough to force putin to make peace? this is not enough, here first of all there are not enough initiatives of ukraine, ukraine has opportunities, but we see, well... a wonderful operation, for example, proletarsk, which inflicted losses to the russian regime in the amount of half a billion dollars, and strikes on airfields, but when zelenskyy showed off a new missile today, i would like to remind you that, in fact , our missile programs as of the 18th and 19th years were

launched in a fairly good condition, only after the 19th year, part of these weapons. was simply pickled, therefore, when, er, it is clear that something can be imposed on putin only from a position of strength, a weak ukraine, which is asking its partners for some kind of peace talks, this is not the right moment, so ukraine, to begin with, for in order to talk seriously about negotiations, it is necessary to drive away russian aviation at least 300 km from the conflict zone with our own weapons. kursk is a small piece of cake in the negotiations with putin, i want to say, but for example, blocking any transit through the black sea and, well, suspending it. of russian shipping, this is a good trump card, not to mention the blocking of shipping on azov as well, so here it actually seems to me that

the ukrainian authorities are not using even 10 of ukraine's capabilities to put pressure on russia, in particular, it is necessary to put pressure on it, first of all, when supplies are stopped. those who are crying for armaments, further, it needs to limit the markets of gas, oil, especially oil, to work in every possible way on the narrowing, here came india and that, as a result of the negotiations at rendramod, so he announced in kyiv that it was pleasant news for ukrainian ears, so to speak, because he emphasized the territorial integrity of the ukrainians of ukraine, and the ukrainians like it very much. but after the visit to kyiv, did india stop buying russian oil, which is sponsoring the russian war against ukraine. yes, it is absolutely true, you

say, mr. volodymyr, another topic is quite relevant for president zelensky today, not only the preparation of a peace plan for future negotiations, but also his team, surprisingly, during the last ones. for several days, we watch his team simply fall apart, in pieces, that is, we see how the servant of the people, the party he led to victory, is scattered around the world, artem dmytruk, a famous quilter from odessa, a person who attacked a military man and a policeman , fled from ukraine even before prosecutor general kostino... raised suspicions against him, and this is also very strange, because ruslan stefanchuk says that the parliament will make some decisions regarding the mandate of non-factional

people's deputy artem dmytruk, exclusively within the framework of the constitution, let's hear what stefanchuk said about dmytruk's escape. people's deputy dmytruk did not go on any business trip from the verkhovna rada, because he talked about it a lot. this, and a person carried out this act, and i understand that it is very far related to the law, that is why i, as informed as the information has already been entered into of the unified state register related to criminal proceedings , an investigation is being carried out and based on the results of the investigation and the results of the decisions taken , decisions will be made, including in the ukrainian parliament, i separately want to emphasize that all this time the issue of early deprivation. deputies , we carried out their mandate on the basis of seven points provided for in the 81st article of the constitution of ukraine, and we will do so at any time, if there are grounds for the ukrainian parliament, never

there were no delays in this matter, mr. volodymyr, here is stefanchuk saying, according to the law it should be so, and according to the law in general dmytruk should have left ukraine in a completely different way, and not in a trunk somewhere from the odesa region to the territory of moldova, and this is a very strange reaction from the speaker. parliament, when a people's deputy of ukraine who was elected in a single-mandate district, but with the support of the servant of the people, he was a candidate from this party, when he starts talking, well, we'll see how it all should be according to the law, so he ran away, but we will stick to it of the law, what does dmytrouk's escape and this whole story in general prove? well, first of all, uh, this story revealed completely reflexive behavior. authorities, this is not serious behavior, this is not systemic behavior, yesterday i passed on the composition of the meeting participants to zelenskyi, i

just laughed, well, not at myself, because there is a principle, or the heads of departments are invited, but what is the point here, for example, by inviting the minister of internal affairs , a subordinate of the minister of internal affairs, the head of the state border service, what is the point, if, if this, this same teh the technical manager, the political decision in the department is made by the minister, and he goes to meetings with the president, this is the first, second, if you call the head of the state border service, why don't you invite the head of the state migration service, which constantly gets stuck in... with trade in passports, further, if you, well, announce this meeting as:

protection of national interests, then why is the state border service not present, no, customs, just the head of the border service was present, and why not customs service, because the american partners, in particular the same peni pritzker, demanded the immediate transfer of the entire customs service to a digital format, and precisely through the customs service. several hundred billion hryvnias flow out of the service, which are necessary for defense, well, it was emphasized that half of apple products in ukraine are gray, half of the household appliances sold in stores are gray, they are imported under gray schemes, that is, and isn’t this the protection of national interests, if we are talking about how

to stop... the flow of deputies from the servant faction people, i remember that since the middle of the 22nd year, the chairman of the verkhovna rada has at least 15 statements about the termination of the parliamentary powers and the withdrawal from the servant of the people faction, the main thing is that this is a statement about the termination of the parliamentary powers, and for some reason the faction and the chairman of the verkhovna rada these people are not released, as if they are political serfs. therefore, i think that in the future there will be more and more destruction, we, we watched the last vote, for example, important and sensitive for society, it is about the ban on religious organizations with the center of the aggressor country, and there, for example, 175 people's deputies voted for the law, this is their approximate monomajority, not yet,

mr. volodymyr, one more small remark of zelensky about oleg tatarov, a person about whom he was constantly told during the 5 years of the presidency, today president zelensky said that he allegedly participated in the elimination of chechens in the capital at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, let's listen to a small fragment. i didn't want to say it, the united states knows it and everyone killed oleg tatar together with vasyl malyuk. chechens in ukraine in kyiv, while you were not here, is it not enough to drive him out, to be killed by the russians? if possible, very briefly, please tell me what zelensky wanted to say? well, as far as i remember , they released trofimov, such a uoc lobbyist, but the russians did not kill him, tatarov is

also a lobbyist. russian interests, just like trofimov, so it all seems to me that zelensky, i spoke about the reflexivity of his behavior, the impression is that he lives in a parallel reality, and he simply, well, let's say, includes the data that he is uploaded at the last second before the press conference, but the fact that he is nervous and rude to journalists is evidence that this is ... a person who is not in his place, and it's time to think about how, if this person is changed to a more professional one, yes, well, the war does not change him, this is the most important conclusion, at least it can be made. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, it was volodymyr tsybulko, a political expert and former people's deputy of ukraine. friends, throughout our broadcast, we conduct a survey, we ask you about the following: have you encountered a hostile propaganda on the telegram platform, preliminary survey results: 63% yes, 37% - no. in

15 minutes we will return to the studio, we will have people's deputies of ukraine, stay with us, bbc news ahead. the offensive in the kursk region, the plan to win the war - the first ukrainian ballistic missile, which he spoke about. at his big press conference, volodymyr zelensky surprised with his statements. we analyze and analyze in today's edition of the bbc. i am olga palamaryuk. a frank conversation and statements that the mass media have already analyzed quotes that's all about today's press conference of volodymyr zelenskyi. the last time journalists spoke with the president was in july following the results of the nato summit, and before that, in may on vyshyvanka day. but unlike those conversations in a rather

narrow. the current press conference was broader.