in this case, it could be some infrastructure or enterprises there, so putin is right, but i think that at the rate at which they are fighting, it is unlikely that they will be able to end this war, of course there are limiting factors for us as well, first of all, it is a deterrent factor in washington , which actually does not allow us, let's say, to achieve the results we hope for faster, so of course putin... putin is trying to show confidence, and i think that also the factor of waiting for the arrival, maybe the arrival of trump should not be written off, because trump is very extensively, but constantly says that he will come to an agreement, he will put pressure on both leaders of the countries, and that he can actually end this war in 24 hours, so all these things, of course, they affect putin, and i will probably say more. such a moment, a few weeks ago

the head of the central bank navibulina gave a speech, and of course her speech was quite cold-hearted, i would say that despite all the bravado, despite the traditionally russian lies about the fact that russians and the russian economy , they just flourished in this war, on the contrary, she talked about big problems, and the most important problem is the workforce, because it is clear... that now young people are being sent to be slaughtered in ukraine, some of them are intelligent russians, she simply took her favors and went somewhere to other countries, well, plus a traditional russian xenophobia, racism, they push away representatives of central asia and other countries from russia, and it is clear that they cannot replace the lack of labor, skilled labor in the russian federation, so he can... plan something there, but there is

objective factors, which are unlikely to allow him to balance the economy in some way during the war, he actually hopes that it will be possible to do this after the end of this war. mr. oleksandr, sergey lavrov categorically rejects the possibility of negotiations between ukraine and russia based on the zelenskyi formula, he says that now the west is rushing to escalate from russia, we are talking about... ukraine's intention to use stormshad missiles to attack the russian federation, let's listen, what lavrov says. everything that is in a series of measures that promote zelenskyi's formula as an alternative solution, of course, only some dreamers in ukraine and in the west can consider it as something that... in parallel with the fact

that russia does not want to bite, according to lavrov, there is also the initiative of china, brazil, and indonesia and south africa, and this was stated by the special representative of the chinese government for eurasia lihui, he said that there is a peace plan for ukraine, i will quote lihui, regarding the ukrainian crisis, well, that's what they call russia's war against ukraine. the three countries have positions similar to the chinese side, they maintain communication with both russia and ukraine and remain committed to the political settlement of the conflict through dialogue and negotiations, that is, the cessation of hostilities there , this plan includes preventing the escalation of the conflict, expanding into new territories, recognizing that dialogue and negotiations are the only as a possible way to resolve the crisis, the non-use of nuclear weapons, well, it has been declared for a long time. china,

judging by lavrov's rhetoric, or in general any format of negotiations with ukraine will at least somehow arrange them or not, or simply they lingered and said that until we destroy ukraine, as they say, until we successfully conduct a special military operation, until then, until then, we will not talk about anything at all, well, you know, the basic thing is... that for normal world, the civilized world, diplomacy is a way to find understanding, compromises and establish peace or solve some problem. for russia , diplomacy is just another tool of war, and therefore, of course, the russians may agree to play sino-brazilian games in order to show their constructiveness. of course in quotation marks, in order not to lose the support of either the chinese or other countries. of the so

-called global south, by the way, in the financial times, yesterday or the day before yesterday, there was a very good note about the secret talks between one, the foreign minister, china. and jake sullivan as the national security adviser to the president of the united states, and there, in every meeting , ukraine was discussed, not only about the relations between these two great countries, but also about ukraine, and the chinese took certain steps towards the meeting have done, but they are insufficient and are constantly exposed to criticism from the americans that, in fact, if china had not helped the russian federation, the war would have already ended, so of course putin has to... let's say, take into account the chinese factor in how much he has to show readiness to some kind of negotiations, but in fact in russia they don’t, let’s say, they don’t rely on diplomacy, they think that

they can break us quietly , meaning in this war, in the war of attrition, secondly, they hope for the arrival of trump to power in the united states. it can be either pressure on us, or there can be chaos in the united states, and therefore there will be no help, or it will not be in time, and then other opportunities will open up, and then, if there is trump in the united states, we cannot even imagine what will happen in europe, which on the one hand will be left alone with russia, on the other hand they will need to consider what to give to ukraine, how to help and what to spend on their own defense, if this umbrella of security from... the united states there are no states will be or it will be weakened, that is why i do not believe in negotiations with russia, the most important thing, i think, is the key thesis: this war is genocidal in nature, genocide cannot be stopped by negotiations, the only negotiations that can help stop genocide are

negotiations about the transfer of weapons, other defense aid, humanitarian aid, economic aid, which in principle ukraine has been doing since the 22nd year, but direct negotiations with russia, well, we can imagine in the worst situations for ukraine, if, for example, until the end year, or there in the winter we will have a critical situation in energy, if, let's say, there will be failures on the fronts and there may be some problems in the kurdish direction, then of course we as a nation and of course our leadership may face a problem and will be forced to start some... some dialogue there, but thank god, there are no such signs, and there is the determination of ukrainian society, a public opinion survey conducted by the razunkov foundation showed that despite the fact that the share of ukrainian society that believes that

the time has come for negotiations, but the majority there, somewhere from 70 to 80%, are not ready to make territorial concessions to russia. federation, that is, people want change, but absolutely against any positions for which the russian federation is the starting point, because the starting positions are territorial, then there are restrictions on ukrainian sovereignty, it is not ukraine joining nato, i think that the russians also want to limit the possibility of ukraine's integration into the european union, here, well , we absolutely do not have any illusions, i think that there will be other demands regarding domestic policy. this is the language, this is the legalization of the fifth column, including the gundyaiv patriarchate in ukraine, so it is clear that we cannot agree to such conditions if we are unable to further defend our country, if our partners do not turn their backs on us, but for now that, thank

god, i have not heard such notes from europeans, and thank god that what is happening in washington now, and the election campaign, it still gives us hope that, that everything could be different, and not those who can afford it will come to power his ambitions to sacrifice ukraine. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, an expert on foreign and security policy at the center for defense strategies. friends, we are going further, and i remind you that throughout the broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about the following: have you encountered hostile propaganda in telegram? yes, no. everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a broader and completely different answer, please write it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, take your expensive smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381, yes no

0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, we will be in touch with volodymyr... tsibulko, political analyst, writer, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining the broadcast. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. mr. volodymyr, today. today, president zelenskyi said that a plan has been prepared for the victory of ukraine, which includes various directions, he will present to president joe biden in september, and will also give it to the candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, meaning donald trump and kamala harris. let's listen to what zelensky said. one of the directions, part of which has already been completed, is kurshchyna. the second direction is the strategic

place of ukraine in the security infrastructure of the world. the third direction is a package of coercion, a powerful package of coercion of russia until the end of the war, by diplomatic means. and the fourth direction is economic. all this in detail i will not say, the plan has been prepared, i think it is fair, if i present this plan first to the president of the united states, the success of this plan depends on him, they will give us what is in this plan or not, mr. volodymyr, should ukrainians know what this plan is zelensky's victory plan? well, i heard maryana bezuglai's handwriting in this speech. and why, because in fact, it is, well, i would say so, it is a smoke

screen, that is, someone from zelensky is very much under the spell of his international communications, especially, he talked to narendra modi, and narendra modi insists that only through dialogue, only through diplomatic instruments, so to speak. then there was information that china, brazil and the republic of south africa also agreed on their, so to speak, outline of the plan, their proposals to ukraine and russia, well, the whole problem is that these plans, no matter how zelensky builds them , all the same rest on putin's psyche. that's why it looks strange after donald trump's statements that

he will put everyone there at the transition table that there is no need to give weapons to ukraine, it looks, well, really sad, now, until things, in some countries there are all kinds of rallies to stop giving weapons to ukraine, that is, it looks immoral and scottish, because uh... people go to rallies to help rape ukraine, that's what they are guided by these people, whether zelenskyi is really determined to win, i am not sure, because what is being done in the ukrainian economy by the hands of his entourage is the destruction of ukraine, which does not bring us closer to victory, but mr. volodymyr, about... everything about victory plan, about what it is necessary to present this plan there, first

to biden, as i understand it, and then to the participants of the next peace forum, which is to be held at the end of the 24th year, and you are right about the fact that in the conditions of putin's mood and attitude towards ukraine, which you see there is only one way, the way of capitulation of ukraine to russia, this is the only way to the peace that putin sees, whether what zelensky said, what he declares, is enough to force putin to go for peace ? this is not enough, here is the first priority ukraine's initiatives are not enough, ukraine has opportunities, but we see, well... beautiful operations, for example, proletarsk, which caused damage to the russian regime to the tune of half a billion

dollars, and strikes on airfields, but when zelenskyi showed off a new missile today, then let me remind you that, in fact , our missile programs as of the 18th and 19th years were launched in a fairly good condition, only after the 19th year some of these weapons... were simply pickled, so when, it is clear that putin can do something to impose only from a position of strength, a weak ukraine that is asking in... partners for some kind of peace negotiations, this is not the right moment, therefore , to begin with, in order for ukraine to start talking seriously about negotiations, it is necessary to at least use its own weapons to drive away the russian aircraft at least 300 km from the zone of hostilities, e.e. kursk - a small trump card in the negotiations with putin, i want to say, but for example,

the blocking of any transit through the black sea and, well, the suspension. shipping of russian, this is a good trump card, not to mention the blocking of shipping on azov as well, so here actually i think that the ukrainian authorities do not use even 1.10 of the possibilities of ukraine to put pressure on russia, in particular, it is necessary to put pressure on it, first of all, by suspending the supply of complexes. for armaments, further, it must limit the markets of gas, oil, especially oil, work in every possible way to reduce stressed

the territorial integrity of ukraine, and ukrainians like it very much. but after visit to kyiv, did india stop buying russian oil, which is sponsoring the russian war against ukraine. yes, it is absolutely true, you say, mr. volodymyr, one more topic is quite relevant for president zelensky today, not only the preparation of a peace plan for future negotiations, but also his team, surprisingly, during the last... few days we watch how his team simply falls to pieces, that is, we see how the servant of the people, the party he led to victory, is scattered around the world, artem dmytruk, a well-known quilter from odesa, a person who attacked a military man and a policeman, fled from

ukraine even before prosecutor general kostyuno... suspected him, and this is also very strange, because ruslan stefanchuk says that the parliament will make some decisions about mandate of non-factional people's deputy artem dmytruk, exclusively within the limits of the constitution, let's listen to what stefanchuk said about dmytruk's escape. people's deputy dmytruk did not go on any business trip from the verkhovna rada, because there was a lot of talk about it. it is a person who has committed this act, and i understand it is very far related to the law, precisely because of this, as far as i am informed, information has already been entered into the unified state register, related to criminal proceedings, an investigation is being carried out, and based on the results of the investigation and the results of the decisions made, decisions will be made including in the ukrainian parliament, i separately want

to emphasize that all this time we carried out the issue of early deprivation of people's... deputies of their mandate on the basis of seven points, which are provided for in the 81st articles of the constitution of ukraine, and we will do so at any time, if there are reasons for the ukrainian parliament, there have never been delays in this matter. mr. volodymyr, here is stefanchuk saying that according to the law it should be like this, and according to the law in general dmytruk should have left ukraine in a completely different way, and not in a trunk somewhere from odesa region to the territory of moldova, and this is a very strange reaction of the speaker. parliament, when a people's deputy of ukraine who was elected in a single-mandate district, but with the support of the servant of the people, he was a candidate from this party, when he starts talking, well, we will see how it all should be according to the law, yes, he escaped, but we will adhere to the law, so what does dmytrouk's escape and in general this whole story prove? well, first of all, this

story revealed completely reflexive behavior. authorities, this is frivolous behavior, this is not systematic behavior, yesterday i passed on the composition of the meeting participants to zelenskyi, i just laughed, well, not at myself, because there is a principle, or the heads of departments are invited, but what is the point here, for example, by inviting the minister of the interior business for the meeting a subordinate of the minister of internal affairs, the head of the state border service is invited, what is the meaning, if, if this, this is the same technical manager, the political decision on the department is made by the minister. and he goes to meetings with the president, this is the first, second, if you call the head of the state border service, why don’t you invite

the head of the state migration service, which is constantly involved in scandals with passport trading, then, if you, well, this meeting announce that it is for... national interests, then why is there no state, border service, no, customs, it was the head of the border service who was present, and why not the customs service, because american partners, in particular, the same penny pritzker , demanded the immediate transfer of the entire customs service to a digital format, and precisely through customs. the service is leaking several hundred billion hryvnias, which are necessary for defense, well , it was emphasized that half of apple's products in

ukraine are gray, half of the household appliances sold in stores are gray, they are imported under gray schemes, that is, and isn't this the protection of national interests , if we are talking about how to stop deputies from the servant of the people faction, then i remember that since the middle of the 22nd year, the head of the verkhovna rada has had at least 15 applications for the termination of parliamentary powers and the withdrawal from the servant of the people faction, most importantly, that this is a statement on the conclusion of the deputies' powers, and for some reason the faction and the chairman of the verkhovna rada do not release these people, as if they are political serfs. therefore, i think that in the future there will be more and more destructions. we watched the last vote, for example, an important and sensitive one for society, it was about the ban

religious organizations centered in the country of the aggressors, and there, for example, 175 deputies voted for the law from the servants of the people. this is their approximate volume of monomajority. not yet, yet, mr. volodymyr, one more small remark of zelensky about oleg tatarov, a person about whom he was constantly told during the five years of his presidency, today president zelensky said that he allegedly participated in the elimination of chechens in the capital at the beginning full-scale invasion, let's listen to a small fragment. i didn't mean to say it the united states knows this and everyone, oleg tatar, together with vasyl malyuk, killed. monks in ukraine, in kyiv, while you were not here, it is not enough to expel him, to expel him, so that he will be killed by the russians, if possible, very briefly,

please tell me what zelensky wanted to say, well, as far as i remember, they released trofimov , such a uoc lobbyist, the russians did not kill him, tatarov is also a lobbyist. russian interests, just like trofimov, so all this seems to me that zelenskyi, i spoke about the reflexivity of his behavior, the impression such that he lives in a parallel reality and he just, well, let's say, includes the data that is uploaded to him at the last second before the press conference, but the fact that he is nervous and rude to reporters is evidence of that. .. the person is not in his place, and it is time to think about how to change this person to a more professional one, yes, well, the war does not change him, this is the most important conclusion, at least it can

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