these negotiations, because in fact it is beneficial for us as well, because russia still has the opportunity to destroy our infrastructure with these massive attacks, and it is clear that without energy we will have a very difficult situation, both for civilians and for the economy itself , including of the defense-industrial complex, well, we also periodically conduct negotiations on the exchange of prisoners of war, so separate negotiations, this and that is normal, absolutely possible. if we talk about the end of the war, then russia's position was the usual traditional one, you know, jesuit, they, their formula, we never gave up on negotiations with ukraine, but the demands they put forward were absolutely unacceptable to us, they were in fact a capitulation, and what russia received was even more than it could absorb and actually control, so of course , that this balancing act... diplomatic or political,

it does not correspond to reality, it is clear that the kurdish counteroffensive operation, and i think this is a very apt term, not an invasion there or something else, this is what ben hodges proposed, because really the whole territory of the russian federation is a legitimate target for ukraine, and it is clear that we have no intention of annexing these territories, so this is part of our, let's say, general war, and it is... the offensive operation, it hit putin very hard, by and large , these are the first actions of our defense forces in a long time, the result of which were not only, well , at the moment quite significant military results, this is also the territory under control, this is the replenishment of this exchange fund, and this is the accelerated destruction of russian forces and means most importantly, these are dilemmas for putin,

political ones, he called it a counter-terrorist operation for a reason, what he is going to do in kursk, that is, he did not declare martial law even in violation of his own defense law, did not introduce the legal and other mechanisms that would require , more precisely, they demand from him russian legislation, well, common sense, but he cannot do it, because the next step should be a general mobilization. and this is an extremely unpopular thing, now they can buy the poor from all corners of russia, they they can send forces from donbas to pull out mercenaries, wagnerians from africa, and if there is a general mobilization, it will affect the big cities, and this is of course the so-called social contract that putin butsimto concluded with the russians that they do not get involved in politics, but he actually does not demands great sacrifices from them, it will be violated and... it

will of course, it will affect his, let's say this, the stability of his regime, and most importantly , putin's formula and in general this whole russian camarilla, about what ukraine needs to recognize the situation on earth, it is not works, because it means that he also has to admit that part of his territory written in the constitution, which is recognized by the whole world, and of course ukraine, is under the control of... ukraine, and it is clear that he cannot do that. therefore, i would not say that something has changed radically. the russians were not ready for real negotiations. we do not trust them because they have violated everything imaginable in terms of the agreement and its bilateral agreements and international law. what they are saying now is just rhetoric, and i don't think we should, let's put it this way, take this into account. and, probably, another very important point is that... with our

counteroffensive operation, we dissuaded our friends and those who doubted ukraine from two things: first , to use what is such a phraseology that this war has entered into a dead end, that ukraine is not even able to defend its territory and surrenders 100 m of territory in the east in a week, that is, this rhetoric is no longer relevant, because we have shown the ability to concentrate... forces and means and conduct military operations are absolutely in accordance with western standards, and the second point is about peace, again, they tried to pressure us into certain compromises, actually based on false ideas, which is, therefore, first and foremost, a dead end, and secondly, what any, any war ends with negotiations, and the time has come for ukraine, which is tired, the ukrainians do not want to ... continue

to fight, then a window of opportunity opens, so thank god that these two positions, they are no longer relevant . mr. oleksandr, yesterday putin, when for... a massive strike by russia on the territory of ukraine, held a meeting and spoke about the russian economy, the meaning of what putin said was that the success of the russian army in the war against ukraine is the main condition for the further development of russia. let's listen to this small fragment of what putin said. the main directions of economic policy for the period until 2030, including strengthening the economic base for the successful completion of a special military operation. this, as i have already said, is the main, basic condition for the implementation of long-term

development plans of russia. did i understand correctly, mr. oleksandr, that in this case putin is saying that only by destroying ukraine, they have a chance for... its long-term development, of course, you know, there is such a metaphor as a monkey has grabbed a nut and cannot let go , because greed oppresses her, and she cannot stretch her hand out of the city, and russia itself is in such a position, because international sanctions are currently in effect, no matter how much we criticize them, and they really did not give the result that we expected that russia will fall. earlier, but it is clear that they are in from a strategic perspective, the russian economy is being undermined, and russia will not be able to do basic things for several years. and the second point, of course, is that only with the end of the war, putin can hope that

this sanctions regime will begin to fall, and russia will have the opportunity to use the western financial system and receive technologies and hope for the return of certain. therefore , of course, he is right in this, and he is also right from the point of view that now up to half of the russian budget goes to the war and war-related things, and starting of course from the actual armament, those salaries and those additional payments to the military, but also those investments that go into the defense-industrial complex, well , of course, everything is connected with the military economy, and it is clear that even... the russian economy, which is bigger than ours , which found an opportunity to circumvent sanctions in certain issues, it still suffers from this war, and therefore only with the end of the war can these resources be distributed in some way and there can be hoped for a return to

the peacetime economy, well, plus, of course, what putin wanted would gain access to of our resources on the captured... territories, and actually, let's say this, also, you know, you can also use such a historical metaphor, how the mongol empire expanded, they captured certain territories, converted those people in those territories into troops, well and actually possessed those resources in those territories that were in order to expand further, well , actually the model of the russian empire is constant expansion, they need resources for this, and of course they are you. the resources of the conquered peoples, like the human resources, are becoming of course, natural resources there, or in our case it could be some infrastructure or enterprises there, so yes, putin is right, but i think that at the rate at which they are fighting, it is unlikely that this

war will be finished, of course there are limiting factors for us, first of all, this is a deterrent factor in washington, which actually does not allow us, let's say... to achieve faster the results that we hope for, so of course putin, putin is trying to show confidence, and i think also the factor of waiting to come , maybe trump will not come should not be written off, because trump is very extensive, but constantly says that he agreed, he will put pressure on both leaders of the countries, and that he can actually complete it in 24 hours. this war, so all these things, of course, they affect putin, well , i will probably say this moment, a few weeks ago the head of the central bank novibulina spoke, and of course her speech was quite cold-hearted, i would say so, that

despite all the bravado, despite the traditionally russian lies, that the russians and the russian economy, they simply flourished in this war, on the contrary... she talked about big problems, and the most important problem is the workforce, because it is clear that now young people are being sent to be slaughtered in ukraine, part of intelligent russians, she... just took her favors and went somewhere to other countries, well, plus traditional russian xenophobia, racism, they push away representatives of central asia and other countries from russia, and it is clear that they cannot replace the lack of labor, skilled labor in the russian federation, so he can plan something there, but there is 'ective factors which or it is unlikely that he will be allowed to do so in time. war and somehow level the economy, he actually hopes that it will be possible

to do this after the end of this war. mr. oleksandr, sergey lavrov categorically rejects the possibility of negotiations between ukraine and russia based on the zelenskyi formula, he says that now the west is rushing to escalate with russia, it is about ukraine's intention to use stormshadow missiles to strike the russian federation. let's listen to what lavrov says. everything that is in a series of measures that promote zelenskyi's formula, as an alternative solution, of course, only some dreamers in ukraine and in the west can consider it as what russia, sorry, is looking for. but with the fact that russia does not want to peck, according to lavrov, there is also an initiative

by china, brazil, indonesia and south africa, and this was stated by the special representative of the chinese government on eurasian affairs lihui lihui, he said that the peace plan for ukraine, to quote lihuey, regarding the ukrainian crisis, well, that's what they call russia's war against ukraine. the three countries have positions similar to the chinese side, they support communication with both russia and ukraine. and remain committed to the political settlement of the conflict through dialogue and negotiations, that is , the cessation of hostilities there, this plan includes preventing the escalation of the conflict, expansion into new territories, recognition that dialogue and negotiations are the only possible way to resolve the crisis, non-use of nuclear weapons, well, this has been declared by china for a long time, judging by lavov's rhetoric, or any format at all. negotiations with ukraine will at least somehow suit them or not, or just that

they lingered and said that until we destroy ukraine, as they say, until we successfully conduct a special military operation, until then we will not talk about anything at all, well, you know, the basic thing is that for a normal, civilized world world diplomacy is a way to find understanding. compromises and establish peace or solve some problem. for russia, diplomacy is just another weapon of war. and because, of course, the russians can agree to play sino-brazilian games in order to show their constructiveness, of course in quotation marks, in order not to lose the support of either the chinese or other countries of the so -called global south, by the way, the financial times was very good yesterday or the day before yesterday. note about the secret talks between wang, the foreign minister of china, and

jake sullivan , the national security adviser to the president of the united states, and there, in every meeting, it was about ukraine, not only about the relationship between these two great countries, but also about ukraine , and the chinese are certain steps towards meeting they did, but they are insufficient and are constantly exposed to criticism from the americans. that actually, if china had not helped the russian federation, the war would have already ended, so of course putin should, let's say, take into account the chinese factor in how much he should show readiness for some negotiations, but in fact in russia they did not expect no, let's put it this way, they don't rely on diplomacy, they think that they can break us quietly, that is, in this war, a war of... attrition, secondly, they hope when trump comes to power in the united

states, it can either be pressure on us, or there can be chaos in the united states, and therefore there will not be that help, or it will not be in time, and then other opportunities will open up, and then, if there is trump in the united states, we cannot even imagine what will happen in europe, which on the one hand will be left alone with russia, on the other hand they will have to consider what to give to ukraine. to help in any way and what to spend on self- defense, if there is no security umbrella of the united states, or will it be weakened, so i do not believe in negotiations with russia. the most important thing, i think, is the key thesis: this war has a genocidal character, genocide cannot be stopped by negotiations. the only negotiations that can help stop the genocide are negotiations on the transfer of weapons, other defense aid, humanitarian and economic aid, which ukraine has been doing in principle since the 22nd year, but direct negotiations with russia,

well, we can imagine the worst for of ukraine's situations, if, for example, by the end of the year or there in the winter we will have a critical one the situation in the energy sector, if, let's say, there are failures on the fronts, and there may be some problems in the kurdish direction, then of course we as a nation and of course our leadership may face a problem and will be forced to start some kind of dialogue, but thank god there are no such signs, and there is the determination of ukrainian society. a public opinion survey conducted by the razunkov foundation showed that, despite the fact that it increased to 44%, the share of ukrainian society that believes that the time has come for negotiations, but overwhelming the share there, somewhere from 70 to 80%, is not ready to make territorial concessions to the russian

federation, that is, people want negotiations, but are absolutely against any positions. for which for the russian federation they are starting positions, because the starting positions are territorial ones, then there are restrictions on ukrainian sovereignty, this is not ukraine's accession to nato, i think that the russians also want to limit the possibility of ukraine's integration into the european union, here we absolutely should not cry there are some illusions, i think that there will be other requirements regarding domestic policy, this and language, this and legalization of the fifth column, including gundyaivskyi. patriarchy in ukraine, so it is clear that we cannot agree to such conditions if we are unable to further defend our country, if our partners do not turn their backs on us, but so far, thank god, i have not heard such notes from europeans. and thank god that what is happening in washington now, and the election campaign, it still gives us hope

that everything can be different, and those who can... sacrifice ukraine at the expense of their ambitions will not come to power . thank you sir oleksandr, thank you for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, an expert on foreign and security policy at the center for defense strategies. friends, we are going further, and i remind you that throughout the broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about the following: have you encountered hostile propaganda in telegram? yes, no, uh, it's pretty simple on youtube, either yes or no if you have a broader answer. and a completely different ambiguous one, please write it in the comments under this video. if you watch us on tv, take an expensive smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211-381, yes, no, 0800 211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next,

we have volodymyr tsybulko, a political analyst, writer, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation, in contact. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you. and thank you for joining the broadcast. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. mr. volodymyr, today president zelenskyi said that he will present the prepared plan for the victory of ukraine, which includes various directions, to the president joe biden in september, and will also give it to the candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, meaning donald trump and kamala harris. let's listen to what zelensky said. one of the directions, part of which has already been completed, is kurshchyna, and the second direction is the strategic place of ukraine, aa in the security infrastructure of the world. the third direction is a package of coercion, a powerful package

of coercion of russia until the end of the war. diplomatic way, and the fourth direction is economic, i will not talk about all this in detail, the plan has been prepared, i think it is fair, if i present this plan first to the president of the united states, the success of this plan depends on him, whether we will be given what is in this plan or not. mr. volodymyr, do ukrainians need to know what is zelensky's victory plan? in this speech, i heard the handwriting of maryana bezuglya, and why? because basically it's, well, i'd say. yes, this is a smoke screen, that is, someone from zelensky is very much under the spell of his international

communications, especially, he spoke with narendna modi, inrendra modi insists, only through dialogue, only through diplomatic instruments, so to speak, then information appeared that... china, brazil and the republic of south africa also agreed on their, so to speak, outline of the plan, their proposals to ukraine and russia. well, the whole, the whole problem is that these plans, no matter how zelensky builds them, still rest on putin's psyche. therefore, it looks strange, after the statements. for trump that he will seat everyone there at the transition table, that there is no need to give weapons to ukraine, it looks, well, really wild, now, until

things, in some countries all kinds of rallies are held to stop supplying weapons to ukraine, that is, it looks immoral and scottish, because its people go to rallies in order to help rape ukraine, this is... that is, what they are guided by these people, is zelensky really determined to win? i am not sure, because what is being done in the ukrainian economy by the hands of his entourage is the destruction of ukraine, and that does not bring us closer to victory. but here, mr. volodymyr, about this, about the plan for victory, about the fact that this plan is needed there,... to present first to biden, as i understand it, and then to the participants of the next peace forum, which should be held at the end of the 24th year, and you correctly

say that in the conditions of putin's mood and attitude towards ukraine, who sees only one way , the way of capitulation of ukraine to russia, this is the only way to the peace that putin sees, whether what zelensky said, what he declares is enough to force putin to go for peace ? this is not enough, first of all there are not enough initiatives of ukraine, v ukraine has opportunities, we can see, well , a wonderful operation, for example, proletarsk, which caused damage to russian. of the regime for half a billion dollars, and strikes on airfields, but when zelenskyy showed off a new missile today, let me remind you that, in fact

, our missile programs as of 18-19 were in a fairly good condition, they were launched only after 19 part of these weapons was simply pickled, so when it became clear that putin it is possible to impose something only from a position of strength, a weak ukraine that asks its partners for some kind of peace negotiations, this is not the right moment, therefore , to begin with, in order to start talking seriously about negotiations, ukraine needs to drive away the russian aviation at least 300 km away from the conflict zone with its own weapons, kursk is a small trump card in the negotiations with putin, i want to say, eh... but for example, blocking any transit through the black sea and, well, suspending russian shipping, this is a good trump card,

not to mention blocking shipping on the azov as well, so here it actually seems to me that the ukrainian authorities are not using even 10 from the possibilities of ukraine to put pressure on russia, in particular. it is necessary to put pressure on it , first of all, by stopping the supply of components for weapons, then it must limit the markets of gas, oil, especially oil, in every possible way work on the narrowing, but india has come and that as a result of the negotiations on rendramody, it is good news for ukrainian ears, so to speak, announced in kyiv, because he... er emphasized the territorial integrity of the ukrainians of ukraine, and the ukrainians like it very much, but after the visit to kyiv, did india stop

to purchase russian oil, and this is... the russian war against ukraine. yes, you are absolutely right, mr. volodymyr. another topic is quite relevant for president zelensky today, not only the preparation of a peace plan for the upcoming negotiations, but also his team, and it is not surprising that over the past few days we have been watching his team simply fall apart. piles, that is, we see how the servant of the people, the party he led to victory, is scattered around the world, artem dmytruk, a famous quilter from odessa, a man who attacked a military man and a policeman escaped from ukraine even before prosecutor general kostyan announced suspicion against him, and this is also very strange,

because ruslan stefanchuk... says that the parliament will make some decisions regarding the mandate of non-factional people's deputy artem dmytruk, exclusively within the limits of the constitution, let's listen to what stefanchuk said about dmytrouk's escape. people's deputy dmytruk did not go on any business trip from the verkhovna rada, because there was a lot of talk about it, it was a person who carried out this act, and i understand that it is very far related to the law. exactly because of this, as far as i am informed, the information has already been entered into the unified state register related to criminal proceedings, an investigation is being carried out, and based on the results of the investigation and the results of the decisions made , decisions will be made, including in the ukrainian parliament. i would like to emphasize separately that all this time we have been dealing with the early removal of people's deputies from their mandate on the basis of seven points provided for in article 81

of the constitution of ukraine. and so we will carry out at any time, if there are grounds for the ukrainian parliament, there have never been any delays in this matter, mr. volodymyr, stefanchuk says, according to the law it should be so, and according to the law in general , dmytruk should have left ukraine in a completely different way , and not in the trunk somewhere from the odesa region to the territory of moldova, and this is a very strange reaction of the speaker of the parliament, when a people's deputy of ukraine, who was elected in a single-mandate district, but with the support of the servant of the people, he was a candidate from this party, when he starts talking, well, we let's see how it all should be according to the law, that's how he escaped, but we will stick to the law, so what does dmytrouk's escape and this whole story in general prove? well, first of all, er, this story revealed the completely reflexive behavior of the authorities, this is frivolous behavior, this is not systematic

behavior, i in... yesterday the composition of the participants of the meeting was passed on to zelenskyi, i just laughed, well, to myself, because there is a principle: either the heads of departments are invited, but what is the point here, for example, after inviting the minister of internal affairs, the meeting is invited a subordinate of the minister of internal affairs, the head of the state border service, what is the point if, if this... you, that is the technical manager, the political decision in the department is made by the minister, and he goes to meetings with the president, this is the first thing, secondly, if you invite the head of the state border service, why don't you invite the head of the state migration service, which is constantly involved in scandals with the trade in passports, er, further er... if you

announce this meeting as the protection of national interests, then why is the state not present the border service, no, the customs, it was the head of the border service who was present, and why not the customs service, because the american partners, in particular the same penny pritzker, demanded the immediate transfer of the entire customs service to a digital format, and precisely because the customs service is leaking several hundred billion hryvnias, which are necessary for defense, but it was emphasized that half of apple's products in ukraine are gray, half of the household appliances sold in stores are gray, they are imported under gray schemes, they...