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national treasure, every field has its own story, every story has its own price, ukraine is a country of heroes. we remember! mr. taras, thank you very much, first of all. that you agreed to the interview, well, you're probably already used to everyone calling you a legend, and i congratulate myself on the fact that i finally met a legend, i'm your fan, a very old one, but we're talking in the days of independence of ukraine, and when they talk about the day of independence, they always touch more on the past, it is history, achievements, heroes, but i would still like from the future, i literally spoke to my friend yesterday, he is a very young guy, and i said that i will be together with you. it was such a violent

reaction, he said that he was a terrible fan, he began to write to his friend that mrs. natalya would meet with taras petrinenko, they listen to your music, patterns of paths, very small, they are very small, i don’t care things, well, to be honest, i was impressed, and he said, please ask mr. taras, i wrote down, he, why you are so cool, he asked to ask, so i pick up on this idea and ask... why you are so cool, but seriously speaking, what do you think shaped you, roots, mom, dad, environment, maybe some authority, environment, whatever you can say about this, why are you so cool, it's better to be cool than not cool, i am very grateful for such an assessment, and what shaped me, both mother and father, and the environment, and a lot... maybe my love for nature,

for everything, for everything is something that never disappoints, and as a result, i have become who i have become, but i already happened, well, many years ago, i am already slowly moving towards some kind of epilogue, and in fact, all my life i tried to choose the right path, you can say that there is always a choice in front of each person... a choice at this crossroads or at that, and of course i was sometimes wrong, sometimes i probably did some shameful things, i already i won't remember, i don't want to remember them, and like every person, she doesn't can be absolutely righteous, well, i also have some skeletons in my closet, but at the same time i tried to be frank, honest and not to cause harm to anyone around me and carry, say, from the stage or in my works,

something like , which could benefit people, this is the main thing, not something that will be jumped on and, let's say, just entertained. because there are other performers for that, for some reason, my whole life, starting from, well, actually from a young age, i tried to do something that would leave a mark on me, until the coke arrived we, and we will not end soon, everything. god, with our hearts, let us tear apart thousands of hearts, our consciousness did not burn out, that our youth

is with us, but somewhere is quarreling. if the case will tell, then i will tell, people, time will tell, ukrainian, ukrainian, yes even, people, my heart, my son, i will betray. ukraine, ukraine, vyskanalinoy, in the impurity of the heart of that

son, the nucleus of the lady. you were so young, didn't you already think at a young age that i, who i should leave alone, maybe after all someone influenced you in this sense, well, that i was born by the beatles, if i was born, i should to be, was either a pianist or a conductor at one time, well, classical music, academic music, but the beatles knocked me off that peg, and i decided that this is what i will do, because it is a very democratic form of art, song. or such works, this actually also applies to the poetry that is embedded in the song, because for some reason , nowadays we pay little attention to what word is embedded in each song, they listen more, or they don't even listen, but if they react, and the lyrics are yours all the texts, they

were for me, you honestly assigned them to me discovery, because taras peterenko always has music, and the fact that these are your lyrics, i just. for some time i was looking for some poets who could give me some, some texts, from which i could do something, what i like, what i like, and it turned out that such poets, well, around me at least no, and i had to try to do it myself, at first there was something very, as they say, clumsy there, but gradually it turned out that somehow a person has critical thinking. and is critical of his work, sooner or later something can come of it come out, you mentioned the beatles, it's very interesting, i sing in an amateur baroque choir, and we recently had a concert and we were there, well, obviously , in the arrangement, a choir performed, a large choir, 40 people, we performed beatles songs, and we were very worried at first , how will it

turn out, it turned out well, and i thought what a wonderful idea it would be for taras petrynenko to perform with the choir, you know, these kinds of collaborations are very interesting, well , you have to put it on the back burner, yes. soon we did some things, but we have this one special, look, i also wanted you to know what to ask, i almost always ask this to everyone, and i ask myself this on august 24, what is personal independence for you and what is the independence of the country for you, what would you sacrifice for your independence, in order to keep it, well, what sacrifices could you make, and i'm spying here, yes, and so as not to lose the country's independence as well? what are you ready for well, honestly, personal independence and the independence of the country, what does it mean to you? well, actually, these are identical things, because my independence directly, probably, also depends on how independent my country is, but there is not much independence, i apologize, because here

independence in itself is a good word, and you should probably also pay attention to what is happening in this country, which calls itself independence, independent. uhu, because let's say, now we know who our main enemy is on our borders, what war is going on now, but from time to time. and almost every day there are internal enemies that are here in our country, and with that something it must be done, probably, because independence is a good thing, but someone takes advantage of the fact that there is democracy here, and even with that church, well , the moscow patriarchate, you understand how many people tried to get out of it in one way or another, so as not to participate in that , in order to ban it, well, it can't be seen that this church is simply destroying our country. and , accordingly, our independence, and unfortunately, many people, independence is a process, it is not something that happened there in the 24th, 91st year, and so

it is necessary to confirm all the time that we independent, that we are moving in the right direction, and this is confirmed today by our soldiers who die every day for this independence and for this country, you know, and at this time, i don't even know how it is possible to... b to say animals, well, i don't want to offend animals, those who are inside the country are trying to destroy it in one way or another, this is me, it confuses me a lot, well, we are talking about the war, how can we not talk about it now, you know, i was terribly impressed by this fact, but i look at the date, june 2 in kyiv they said goodbye to irina tsyboh, a paramedic who died in russia, and i was terribly impressed, it turns out that she had a battalion of hospitalists, she had a suicide note. dying testament, in which she literally asked, i want everyone

to sing in farewell, learn at least ten meaningful songs and sing them in unison to soothe the grief with native singing, and she asked for 10 songs to be performed on the maidan when she dies, and she , unfortunately, died, and among ten of these songs, and among ten of these songs are two of yours, she asked for ukraine, obviously, and spring go, it's mine too, it's one of my first. and this is my most favorite song, to be honest, i believe that bad weather and failures will die, your quiet sadness, go away, i want to see in your eyes again, the sweetness of the sun and...

and we already talked about it a little, well, what's in it for you the content of this war, but i think that it is normal for every ukrainian, it is clear what the content is, but here are these songs that were already there, and this iryna has already died, she asked everyone to sing, and this very phrase just makes me impressed to learn ten meaningful ones songs, and will there be new songs from? which will we sing alive, healthy at the meetings after the victory? you see, i can't wait to do something for some historical moment, to immediately respond and write something, because my colleagues do a lot of it, and to be honest, it's a conjecture for me, but we don't take a mock-up, something is happening in the soul, what are you doing for that i can't say when it will appear. that something will also appear, something really worthwhile, here, how will it

be, when will it be, i want something to come out of me, these things must be looked at a little from a certain distance, you understand, because who, but such a desire is there, well, of course, of course, i am still, i am still here with you, thank god, and my god, young man, what can i say, look, i am still like that topic, i would like to talk with you, a lot of ukrainians went abroad. it's no secret that many of them plan to stay there, and what do you think, should we fight for every ukrainian to return, or should we calmly let people make their choice, and how can we fight for them on some such to our human level, you know, it's a difficult question, i'll say it right away, because each person chooses his own path, where to live, someone said you should live where it's better for you, if it's better for you. if you don't feel any pain inside when you see what

's happening to us here, well that's your choice, but at the end of the day i know a lot of people who are like, say, my godmother with two kids, who's also in recovery right now , they are already coming back, well done, here is such an example, i think that it is not the only one, people do not find themselves there, it is different, europe too not an easy thing, just like america is not an easy thing. well , you have to search where your roots are, as they said, where, where your umbilical cord is buried, yes, here, i would advise, of course, to return here and try, no matter what. it is difficult, it will be difficult even after the war, because during the war there are only problems, after the war there will be no fewer of them, it is 100%. i just, the only thing i can, i can call these people just to come back, because without them, well, there will be someone, someone else, because they are foreign people, i don't know, there are vietnamese, koreans, i am very grateful to you , we are with

mr. tarasto, we urge all ukrainians to return to ukraine, because i have nothing. against the vietnamese and koreans, let's say, but i 'm against the fact that ukraine will simply not be ukraine anymore, but some kind of international vinaigrette, it's a shame, the main thing for us is to wait for the victory, which of course is special, well, of course, that it will be, in my absolutely all such faith is on some such level, well, such, i don’t know, intuitive, our souls sing poems, but about... god, save ukraine, lord, have mercy on us, sinful children, children of strangers, father

ours, hear them sincerely. save us, god, ukraine, please tell me, well, now of course, well , the media has always been of great importance, and of course, the rules of good tone, they say that the media should always be quarreled, by the way, weather forecasters are always told about them jokes. well, by the way, the artists too, but we understand why the media should quarrel, but why would you praise the media now , especially during the war, well, it depends on which media, because if we are talking about that one marathon, well, i don’t like it at all i look, because everything is somehow there banal, everything is simplified, and you can feel this

direction in which our entire population is trying to be kept, and those media that are trying to dig a little deeper, er, somehow consider the nature of these things that happen to us, well, this, this is sometimes it's interesting, and again it depends on which journalist takes up this matter, but you watch, sometimes i watch, of course, of course, because it seems to me that you are such a person that you hardly watch tv, no, sometimes i watch, sometimes look, i can't say that it's some kind of constant passion, but first of all now it is necessary to be aware of events and what is being done on our fronts. the screen tells you the truth, and not some clichés that we have to, let's say, accept what is behind them, they are clearly trying to push someone somewhere or to extinguish someone, well, it's unpleasant, but tell me

, please, what is the role of the artist in your opinion in... the formation of civic consciousness and taste, because consciousness is another matter here and mom and dad can help very well, namely taste, musical taste, some kind of formation of such a general culture, well, there have been such cases, for example, when people are young, they absolutely did not know, uh, some very famous artist, very famous writer, they did not hear about them, it's incredibly simple, should an artist help? to educate not only youth, society in general, an artist, perhaps, should not be, should not be an educator in such a direct sense of the word, but an artist should have some opportunities to influence people, i am very well aware of what , when you are completely blocked by oxygen and you seem to be gone,

how many people were told that petrynenko had moved to kana. he lives in canada, now he is not in ukraine, and someone says that he tied the knot with his career, i went to canada more than once and to america and europe, i went everywhere, but i kept coming back, and someone i guess it was, i don't know, somehow it was nice to understand that you can move me, or to lift someone up, or simply push me away, because i, i am an independent person, i try not to obey anyone. and that's actually why i've never been a member of any party, because there's discipline, you know, you have to do something different, you know, and what the party said, well... they didn't try to exert this influence through social networks, run a blog, some youtube channel, that is, you are not interested, the fact is that i am by and large an introvert, well, it is obvious , so and so

if a person is in himself, i observe life, and accordingly what i bring to people, i bring to the stage, or in some albums, or something else, this is the place where i can communicate with people, and so well, all these bloggers are banal somehow, well, i don't know, there are so many of them. as dogs are not slaughtered, and in general there is a lot of internet did good, but also did a lot of damage, you know, there is so much crap, as the reports are carried, i don't know who is, well, a lot , a lot, that's why i don't want to immerse myself in it either, well, well, then, if, i think, yes, well, it can be summed up, if you have your songs, if my young friends, young, you can say, are enthusiastic, they constantly listen to the same patterns of paths in headphones. i think you have already formed this taste, well, that's very good, i wanted to think so, it is, i'm just bringing this thought to you, this fact in fact, many young people do not even know

that i exist in the white world, and then they come to the concert by chance and there is some kind of reaction, it is good, it is a pity that somehow it is, you know, this time brings to the surface some simplified things , extremely simplified, even commercialized. yes, yes, yes, because people who think primitively, or try not to think at all, because it is unnecessary, they are easier to manage, you see, and a country that consists of such people, of course, it will move somewhere, i eh, well obviously there before meeting, i listened to music, i remembered something so, so delicate, like patterns, i remembered how we used lighters... swaying in the stadiums to ukraine, and look, it just struck me somehow so easily, the song red wind, well, it's not like that there is a lot, well, but it’s just

fantastic, you are a prophet, the red wind brings black dreams from the east to the vagrants, who is still standing for freedom today, if not you, if not me, boys, we gather, girls unite, time is calling, us again, this amazingly prophetic words, amazingly simple and i'm just over 30 years old it is written on it. this is fantastic, i thank you very much for this, sons of the new sova, they wanted war, they crave blood, but we will stand up and stop with our chests, the fierce breath of winter, red and in black blood, ho'. i, who still today stands for freedom, if not you, if not me,

boys, let's get ready, girls, let's be lazy, time is calling again for us, france, let's fight in the mountains, don't be afraid, because it's the last. chance: i congratulate you on the independence day of our beloved ukraine, and i personally thank you for the patterns of the ways, thank you very much, thank you for listening, if there is no one to listen, then there will be no need to write, we listen very much, thank you very much for the spring and for ukraine, thank you, let's hope for the spring that will put everything in its place, because ukraine may disappear without our love, its you have to love, simple. beat and sacrifice a lot for her sake, i think, then everything, everything will be fine with us, we are terribly grateful to mr. taras for his meeting, and always on espresso watch us, always on

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