why the detention of pavel durov is being discussed all over the world, what will happen to telegram after his arrest, and how a niche application turned into a global messenger, where you can literally... follow the events of the war in real time. we've collected everything we know, and we'll break it down in today's edition of the bbc. i am olga polamaryuk. the founder of telegram, pavel durov, was detained in france last weekend. experts have been puzzling for days . and what was it? but, in order to understand everything, who is pavlo durov. he is 39, was born in st. petersburg, then leningrad. he became popular in 2006, when he created the vkontakte social network, and...

durov left russia within a year, in 2014, because, as he himself said, he refused to cooperate with the russian authorities. in 2018, telegram was blocked in russia, the restrictions were lifted 2 years later. currently, the platform has almost a billion active users worldwide. he was repeatedly criticized for refusing to moderate telegram content. and according to zmi, the french law enforcement officers call the messenger a nursery. crimes, it was the french authorities who issued a warrant for durov's arrest. the detention of the founder of telegram caused a violent reaction, primarily in russia, there are questions about this case, as former president dmytro medvedev said, the russian foreign ministry demands to condemn the actions of france, and volodymyr zelenskyi, in turn, said that the detention of dorov will not affect the work of telegram in ukraine. french prosecutors say they detained durov as part of a cybercrime investigation. when asked by journalists about the nature of this rest. french president

emmanuel macron said that there is no politics in it and that everything is in durov's case the judges decide. well, durov's life was not public, but after his arrest, the wall street journal became interested in his past and wrote that in 2018, macron personally met with durov and offered him to move the telegram headquarters to paris, and that he allegedly refused. but is there a connection between the events of that time and... the current arrest and what the fool is accused of, the french cyber expert analyzes. looked like a spectacle, a billionaire being taken into custody after boarding his private jet. it could not fail to attract attention. when to speak about the grounds for his arrest, there are many and they are different. to put it crudely, he was accused of involvement in everything that could be criminal on his platform. considering it has a billion users. that's

a lot, he's also been accused of a number of things related to the cryptography of his platform, which is even more worrying because there are a lot of people who can be accused of such crimes. there are many allegations against him that may be perfectly legitimate. the problem arises when someone is considered to be involved in offenses committed on a platform with a billion users. yes, there is child prostitution in telegram. but you can also find it on snapchat, yes there is gun smuggling in telegram, but it is almost everywhere, yes there is drug selling in telegram, but you will also find it in facebook, yes you will find child porn here, but the same is not difficult to find in snapchat and facebook, because all this is present both on telegram and on most large platforms with hundreds of millions of users, because when you invite hundreds of millions to you users, then

those who break the law will inevitably end up there... the time of this detention fell on the period when france is moving away from the shores of democracy at an accelerated pace. at the moment, it is not clear why we took on telegram in the first place, probably because it is an easy target, because it is probably easier to take on pavel durov than on elon musk. durov's ability to fight back is small, while like elon musk or mark zuckerberg, it's another matter. however, the detention became. signal addressed to all digital companies, whether in france or anywhere in the world. a french judge has until the end of the day to decide whether to release durov or formally charge him with bail. but what about the more specific claims to the telegram was found out by the bbc's peten technology correspondent joe tyde. today we learned the following. there are charitable organizations in the world, such as the internet safety foundation in britain or.

the us state center for missing and exploited children, which specializes in finding and removing child sexual abuse material. all social networks... cooperate with these organizations and report, except for telegram. even more, i was told that these charitable organizations have repeatedly appealed to telegram with a call to jointly fight the spread of materials with sexual abuse against minors on the internet. this is a big problem, and one of the complaints against pavel durov is that he does not moderate telegram enough to stop such material. of course, the company itself insists that it adheres to the standards of moderation and calls the detention of its manager absurd for what happens on this platform, and indeed it is is a step that has no precedent. since the beginning of the war, telegram has become a source of information for many ukrainians, there they monitor

air alert notifications, monitor the situation at the front, but how is the activity of this messenger regulated in ukraine, according to what rules does it work, we asked the editor-in-chief of the internet publication detector media about this , natalia ligachuk. as for content, in ukraine there is currently no regulation of state content, specifically sharing platforms , in fact, there is simply a discussion about whether the state can somehow way to regulate content in telegram, and some experts say that it is possible, some experts say that it is not possible, various methods are proposed, and we are talking about the fact that it is not about platforms, of course, but about the possibility of regulation, specifically specific ones individual, there are telegram channels, youtube channels, bloggers on facebook, there on

instagram, which must be recognized as media subjects, because platforms cannot be subjects of the media itself in the media sphere, but individual... fans, well, what content authors, yes on these platforms, can be recognized as media, and now we are actually on this path, because in the law on media, the legislators refused to write down the criteria by which different media, online media, are recognized as media, and they put it on the creation of a co-regulatory body, this body has to work out these criteria, and if he does it with... in the end, then according to these criteria, then the national council can undertake to regulate the content of individual content authors, online content, using first of all, of course, article 36- yu, media that

does not paint the standards, but still, well, there there are quite good reasons for preventing the distribution of pornography there, or there, for example, violence, gender- sensitive topics. terrorism, all the more so, yes, and well, that is, there are some certain mechanisms for fighting what is now being spread by telegram, well, in an absolutely impunity way. telegram, one of the most popular messengers in russia, the new york times, for example , writes that russian soldiers exchange military information through telegram. he explains why the platform has become so popular correspondent of the russian service of the bbc, serhii horyashko. pavel durov appeared. durov appeared on the radar of the russian authorities and russian law enforcement sometime in the early 2010s. in russia, there were rallies that were remembered as the snow revolution, that is, protests against falsification in the state duma and presidential elections. the problem that the kremlin had with the vkontakte resource, which was founded

by durov, was that the kremlin would release data about the organizers of groups where people gathered and agreed on the next action. adurov, respectively. publicly refused to cooperate with them, and there were these scandals when pavlo durov published some fsb requests to him, in which the fsb demanded personal data of users and to delete groups that the fsb did not like. durov replied to them with a photo of a dog with its tongue sticking out, and that was how the kremlin's first public war with pavel durov began. in general, it ended, one might say, with the defeat of durov, although he still managed to come out of this war in good condition. but with money, he sold his share in vkontakte for a lot of money and wrote a post on social networks about leaving russia and not going back there. regarding the connection of the russian authorities with the telegram, probably one of the most interesting subjects is

the fact that the russian army actively uses the telegram as a means of communication, and not even that it is an alternative, in some cases, as an alternative, and the question to safety were from the moment of its appearance, also telegram is a very popular platform among russian propagandists and russian officials who run channels in telegram and are measured by numbers followers there and through... they report the latest news. journalist colleagues from the publication of an important story gained access to a flight base called the border. this is a flight database that includes information on the movement of russian citizens who flew in and out of russia from 2015 to 2023. colleagues claim that based on the data of this database, durov, who said back in 2014 that he was leaving russia forever, and was not going to return there again for... in fact , he flew to russia more than 50 times between 2014 and 2021, and in

at one point it could be said that he lives between the arab emirates, european countries and russia, that is, durov regularly appeared in the country, wanted and claimed that there were no more ties with russia. in a relatively recent interview with tucker carlson , he said that he avoids flights and visits to all superpowers, including russia. this base, if you believe its data, is high. it is possible to reverse what these flights are talking about, this is another matter, i.e. elementary suspicions arose that the unblocking of telegram in russia in 2020 was due to the fact that he cooperated with the fsb and still gave them the encryption keys of the telegram groups and channels of interest to them. durav did not admit that he had transmitted any data. the russian authorities claim that they got everything, but his moves shed light on the fact that there must have been some... cooperation and some negotiations. and even despite all the risks, why are telegram still

used by ukrainian officials, who are there threats in connection with its use and what will durov's arrest change. this is what natalia legachova says. the danger is that there really just a field so free to spread any misinformation, first of all because there are no such rules of content moderation from the side. well, the founders of telegram, the telegram team, there are no moderation rules like those that exist in others, on other platforms, and the second thing is that, well, telegram is very closely linked by these and our special services to the special services of russia , that is, there is no transparency regarding this platform, many representatives of the special services state that the servers remain in russia, a larger number and more more... part of the team allegedly is also located, is in russia, and we have numerous examples of

telegram being quite sensitive to the wishes of the russian side, and, for example, not so sensitive to the requests of the ukrainian side, and thirdly, the russians do not hide this, that they they themselves say that in many cases russia uses telegram for a specific military purpose, but it should be noted that our military also uses telegram, our civil servants and our military, and many are now joking about the danger of telegram our civil servants tell, and this is some kind of dichotomy, some nonsense, but these are our realities, it seems to me that the arrest will still have an impact on, first of all, perhaps... the politics of the telegram itself, perhaps both politicians and the police , and

the law enforcement structures are european, they hope that they can force telegram to follow the same rules that exist for other platforms, to be more sensitive to certain rules that exist in the european union, i'm not sure that this will have much impact on... well, at least in in the near future, it seems to me that nothing will change in ukraine, and first of all because telegram has really become, practically already a media, no matter what it is called there, but for our authorities, first of all, it is a media, which they they, well, let's say it directly, use it, if you are interested in learning more, subscribe to our pages on social networks, so you won't miss out on... more important news, we are on facebook, instagram, tiktok, youtube , you can watch our release if you missed it it's

on the air, turn on our program tomorrow, on everything is fine, congratulations, friends, live on the tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko and... for the next 45 minutes we will talk about the following. fugitives from justice. the case of the russian people's deputy. artem dmytrouk, who slept abroad before the announcement of suspicions by the prosecutor general, asks many questions to the ukrainian authorities. zelenskyi and his team, the president continues to defend the scandalous deputy head of his office oleg tatarov. what is behind his unexpected words about

destruction of chechens in kyiv? the presidential victory plan. at the beginning of september, zelensky plans to present to biden a strategy for overcoming russian aggression. what will this plan be and why do ukrainians not know about it. let me remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live. there, please subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey. today we ask you this, are you ready to give up? or have already given up on the telegram platform, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers, if you are ready to give up telegram, 0800 211 381, no 08021382, all calls to these numbers are

free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce... the guests of today's studio: valery dymo, political expert, director center of social information technology forum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, thank you for recording. and vitaly kulyk, political expert, director of the center for researching civil society problems. mr. vitaly, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. well, since, gentlemen, we are asking our viewers and tv viewers about the telegram platform. this , of course, is connected with the events surrounding the founder. and the owner of the telegram platform and questions about this platform from the french side and the protection of the regimental defense by the russians, i will ask i and you, are you ready to give up telegram, or maybe you have given up, let’s start with mr. vitaly, please, no, i have not given up and i am unlikely to give up, since this is a source of information, in fact, in which the majority

of the deep people of ukraine live, which by logical research ahead of television. for the majority of ukrainians, but in spite of that, this is a professional field that should be followed, because the rejection of what is a source of information, which, in turn, manipulates public consciousness, to me, as an expert, a researcher, well, it is not, no, can't be, that's why i am unlikely to give up, i will delete this application while it influences and shapes public opinion in ukraine, well, at one time we are all from... from vkontakte classmates, and especially the problem did not happen, well, look, as an expert, i can’t to give up any social network that is present in ukraine, which is used by it, which is a source of information, accordingly, it is vpn, there is the possibility of access to any social network, the fact that i am not there vkontakte, for example, well of course i saw it in the 14th

year from there, i have almost all the pages there it didn't happen, i didn't even open an account with a classmate. that is, this is the question of the effectiveness of these networks and promotion on the ukrainian market, if their influence is dominant, and you are engaged in researching the informational political sphere, while this social network works in this sphere, then it is obvious that i cannot see from here. thank you, mr. vitaliy, mr. valery, in principle, where is the limit when we talk about the fact that this is a powerful platform that provides information to ukrainians in a... regime, as mr. vitaliy says, even much faster than television and any mass media, and obviously many people use telegram, i also use telegram and get information about the operational situation in the country, and between the fact that this network can be a platform for the russians to spread their

narratives, their propaganda and a platform that can harm the national security of ukraine. well , first i will answer your question, do i use, i did not use and do not even know where it is vkontakte, classmates, my mailbox is still on the american mail.com server, the address is dim of usa.com, even then and now you can’t do this, i never knew what mailru is, i consume practically nothing russian and little russian either, i didn’t look at the matchmakers, i didn’t look at the servants of the people, i.e. this is from... to your first and second question, what is the limit, this is not some kind of sterility and purity, this is an attempt to really separate the wheat from the chaff, this. the ability, as an expert, to see how this convenience, and the essence of things is convenience, you do not notice the hammer when you drive nails, and there is some kind of intrusion, this

practically the elements of the decor, the essence of the telegram is that, for me personally, i have about 77 signatories there, because i don't have time to constantly and constantly read many things, so i know some experts whom i trust, there are none among them.. . nor russian, animalosian ones, i don’t know what the jokers are, there, i know the owners of these channels, where they are, who they belong to and know that they are multimillionaires there, they drive very big, rich and for some reason somewhere so they say that these are volunteer cars, i know everything about them, i don't know them consume, but i drop those experts there osinters so that i study what is happening at the front, what is happening in politics, what is happening in international politics, i drop them, then today... for example, after the broadcast i will watch everything that i during the day, not having the opportunity to look in detail, i will reset and will study it for a couple of hours, and i, vitaliy, when

i listened, i remembered, remember, you cannot change the meeting in the russian city, paraphrasing , if it weren't for my work, i would n't have anything to do with telegram, so something like that so your understanding as an expert, what can be read? you don't need to read, this is actually the criterion that at least i will obey, and purity, already such sterility of not taking anything, you know, once in tolstoyism, avoidance of evil, that is, i do not want to participate in that that i already know that it's vicious, that it's lying, and i don't need, you know, i'm sorry, nikaprologist, i don't need to understand the types of shit, i just know that it's shit. i understand that you still have telegram in your phone yes, if you read others, yes, i, i, i drop, i drop those whom i read, i know them, i have them, there are literally seven, seven-eight channels,

and today i will study the pokrovsky direction there, i will look at the maps, i will look at what is happening in the country, i will look at what is happening in international politics, because i trust some of you are not ready to give up the telegram just yet, because as a professional you still get some information from there, then i i'll answer where i'm from... the reason: people watch telegram channels recently because people are tired of the telethon, people don't trust the marathon, people go to social networks, people see what's really there, these are directly proportional processes, how much of what means it has decreased, the other has increased, those people who don't watch, they go there , there is a true exception, i watch those things, for example, i myself am a resident of mykolaiv, well, i was born in mykolaiv, for example, mykolaivsky venyok, i subscribed to it when there were about 20 thousand people there. and i myself recommended, because there is a lot of work, operational work, which we are talking about now we say, many people in the kherson region did not believe the telethon, when aristovych was sitting there and said: "kherson, we are going",

do you remember this word, and people did not trust, and they looked at vanko, and they knew what was happening in snihorivka, what is happening near david's ford, and they dropped some things that happened in the kherson region, on the occupied left bank in kherson itself, in the commentary, that is, as a tool. it can be used politically. thank you, mr. valery, the main, perhaps, topic of the last few days is the escape of artem dmytruk. well it so happened that artyom dmytruk became the hero of the information tapes, a people's deputy of ukraine, a former deputy from the servant of the people took vatnyk, by the way, people's deputy vatnyk, who always spoke for everything russian, including for the russian church in ukraine. took and fled abroad. the head of the anti-corruption center, vitaliy shabunin, in an interview with radio nv, expressed confidence that people's deputy

dmytruk fled ukraine because he was warned that he was going to be informed about the suspicion. the suspicion related to the beating of a military man and a policeman. let's listen to what shabonyan said. somehow, you see, it was half past that he fled abroad right in front of him. announcement of these suspicions, what a coincidence? you see, if this was the first such coincidence, somehow it is easier for me to believe it, but i will remind you that this was already the same coincidence with the head of the national bank during zelensky's time, who also fled abroad the day before the suspicions were announced, so no, he was informed and he ran away, we can discuss, who informed? well, who reported, here you can guess, the question is how this whole system works, which cannot or does not want to issue abroad. ukrainians,

men under the age of 60, and all those people who have invitations to international conferences there and legally cross the border, and there are people who absolutely do not need any permits to cross the border, even then when they have the prospect of a criminal charge, of a suspicion that dmytrouk should have received, the same from... prosecutor general kostin, mr. vitaly, this is the story and zelensky's reaction to this story, when he gathered the heads of the heads of state of the border service of the sbu and tried to understand, what is happening, what is happening with the border of ukraine, and why , against the background of such defectors, as we would call them, defectors fleeing from ukraine, there is still

a whole system, it turns out, which... is working, which makes money, obviously because they released bogolyubov, then they released someone else, that is, a huge mass of people who are being moved across the border, and obviously this is a lot of money, if we are talking about people, who are conscripted, well, not only conscripted, when in the system needs, then people do not run away, but the deputy. from the former opz, dubinsky and others, when the system needs it, they get suspicion and they are actually detained, and they get a preventive measure in the form of receiving a bribe, and i am more than convinced that dubinsky was warned about the possibility of such a consequence, but he believed that for someone, this is the second, the second element of this story is the possibility of the situation. overplay, not

get immediate custody , get out on bail or some other story, and then develop this case in the courts and not to have business there, not to stay in prisons for a long time, sometimes this system fails, but as a rule it does work, you get suspicion and even at work you continue to work, we have some cases when both deputy ministers and some people's deputies received suspicions. continued to perform their official duties, they were not even removed from their official duties, and then the case fell apart in the courts, where these cases disappeared, the evidence disappeared, or the evidence was found to be insufficient, and the suspicion itself was political in order to to be knocked out of one or another position, for example, as the former minister of agriculture, that is, we also see such stories, but when the system develops a situation, when the moor has done his job, the moor is no longer needed, in

the case of dmytrouk, then he was simply given importance. leave, moreover, i will remind you how everything happened on the day when he fled, he crosses the border, hangs at the kishenev airport, his flight is delayed, he is nervous, this can be seen from the video surveillance at the kishenev airport, which became known to journalists, our structures not reported of moldavia, they do not provide their moldavian colleagues with sufficient grounds for detaining dmytrouk, they delay it. time, and they passed on this data about suspicions to dmytruk, well-founded suspicions in the moldovan special services only when dmytruk flew out of chisinau, that is, after the fact, that is, they even accompanied the main thing that he left the risk zone and was not in the no zone.. . inviolability

for possible detention or any other actions, that is, in this situation, accompanied to send the gift from ukraine, so that it does not reach him could reach out and carry out extradition, but when the system needs it, when there is an interest, when all the fuse systems do not work, all these tricks that are displayed by the owners of such deputies dmytruk, then such a people's deputy can really be taken. play and it can be a long story and eventually it will be cleared or it will do what this system needs it to do. dmytruk became unnecessary, as far as i'm concerned, he simply became unnecessary to anyone, not the former owners, not the new owners, not anyone, eh, where is he there played some...