words, the top management immediately received the report and partners from the usa have already joined the investigation into the causes of the accident. i assure you that a detailed analysis is already being conducted, an investigation is underway, we need to carefully understand what happened, what the circumstances are, whose responsibility it is, and it will be done. information about such incidents cannot be immediately released into the public space and cannot be detailed for the media. the war in ukraine, but it doesn't matter to the people who chose maryana bezugla as a tool for the accreditation of the top military leadership, to hang all the dogs on the army won't work valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum of ukraine, joins our broadcast. i congratulate you. yes, good evening. first, let's just consider this story in theory, what could have caused the plane wreck regardless of the context, what are the reasons, what are the possible options in principle? any. a... technical,

technical malfunction, pilot error, let's say, well, what else could be, well, in general , a human or technical factor, yes, there could be natural conditions of some kind, so it could to be, well, they said, there may or may not be friendly fire, well, that means there may be, well, there are many reasons, weather talk, whatever. but given it, well, i would also add, for example, that the pilot shot down three cruise missiles and went to the shahed, and one shahed, and went to the next target, and he could simply, so if you make a mistake, he used a cannon, he could simply initiate an explosion of a combat unit, shaheda or rocket, and the elbow could be affected by this explosion, there the debris got into the back. air intake in the engine or

something similar, but all this is, you know, clean theoretical assumptions without serious grounds, when there will be an investigation, when they will look into it, when the air force command will give information that according to our previous calculations or studies, we believe that such, such, such are the main reasons, and we will conduct a more detailed investigation on them. so far, these are only versions, but look, for example, on the eve of maryana bezugl, no matter how she is treated, but she is the deputy of the defense committee and theoretically has some information, and she said about friendly fire, do you believe in friendly fire that the f-16 was shot down by the patriot? why

did she like petrium? there is also the irist itself, there is the rbs70, there is the hawk, well, you can choose any of them, yes, let’s put it this way, here you see, four such strips in the nose in front of the f-16 lights, yes, yes, yes, this is a system recognition is alien, the americans call it a birdcutter, yes, because if a collision with an airplane means that the bird will get there first, this is an alien system, and missiles, especially complex complexes, such like the patriot, they are generally designed not to hit their own aircraft. even on the stinger, even on the anti-aircraft missile defense system, such an antenna is thrown away, it is a suitor, someone else's. that's it. the americans drew very serious conclusions from the war in the persian gulf, when they did not have the main losses, they were from friendly fire. that is, in theory it is impossible. for some american

anti-aircraft system to shoot down an american plane, i understood you correctly, in theory everything is possible, it depends on the theory, and in more detail, in practice in practice, let's say yes, the probability of such processes is very low, everything is possible, yes, a rocket is possible, so there, you understand, we often receive missiles of not the most modern models and receive missiles from warehouses. maybe the americans had such cases in russia that their own missile shot down their own plane, yes, it is possible, but the probability, you see, there is a level of probability, uh, a level of probability, that it was the patriot that was shot down by its own f-16, and in general, which patriot participated in repelling a missile attack by the russians, where cruise missiles are used and shahenas are used. yes

ours, you know, we have so many pre-patriot missiles that we will scatter even on russian cruise missiles, as a rule, other complexes operate against these objects. st on sams, mobile groups with stinger missiles and british starstreak missiles there, yes , helicopters with machine guns are operating there about uh against the shaheds, but what if the patriot would shoot at the shaheds or even at the uh cruise missiles, so exclusively, well, they can, if a particularly important object is being covered, yes how, but that it is the patriot on the f-16, well, you know, the probability 0.0%. and tell me, please, how much time the investigation can theoretically take, or when you personally are waiting for some initial results of the investigation? ah, preliminary conclusions can be announced, as soon as the wreckage of the plane is found and examined, what

preliminary conclusions can be drawn. why? ah, unlike, for example, civil aviation aircraft, the combat control officer of... maintained constant communication with the pilot of the aircraft, that is, if it was some kind of technical malfunction with the engine, with the aircraft systems, the pilot would have reported to the ground, and then it would be possible to be pushed by this message, that is, the information is now from the combat control officer, it is known where the communication with the plane was lost, it is known with the plane, i think that a. .. from the beginning of next week , we can expect some preliminary conclusions, and in a week, depending on whether it is some kind of technical malfunction, then the time will be extended, if there are any reasons there, well, pilot error, for example,

yes, because low altitudes , night time, everything is possible, although there is such equipment there that in general this should not have happened, and in general it was a shock for me that she died under... the ejection system, in front of my eyes, i already told on the air, in front of my eyes, an american pilot ejected because she just saw , that she would not take the plane out after the aerobatic figure, so she just ejected, the plane fell, crashed, the pilot landed, the very next day she... explained to the journalists there the reasons for her action, maybe again, maybe i'm sorry, i'm not professional at all i know this topic, but maybe the pilot thought to take the plane away from some building, we don’t know, he would have reported it to the combat control officer, you know, most likely

something happened that the pilot was unable to react in any way, he didn’t even have time to eject, and it could be... including a technical malfunction and a missile hit? no, well, i don't know, i don't want to guess, you know? well, well, you can't build any theories based on ms. bezugla's conclusions, right? well, this is, let's say, a very unreliable basis, she she can know something, she can imagine something, but she is not able to evaluate the facts even, yes, you understand, she is not a military person, firstly, it means that she has no idea, she heard something somewhere, i do not want to definitively say that it is impossible, but i say once again, the probability of exactly this development of events is minimal, i understood you, do you think that this aircraft debris will not become a reason for the fact that the partners can change their future plans plans regarding

the supply of f-16s to ukraine, because ukraine received only there are the first 10, it seems to me so it was officially reported, then there were hopes that they would provide more and more. well , the allies should immediately replace, if we have six planes, then put the sixth plane, if we have 10, then the 10th plane, but in general, we are talking about exactly such that we will have an unchanged ten, so that this does not happen, that is the only , where to get a pilot, that's the problem, actually, and that was my next question, because oleksiy mes was one of the best pilots, the military who worked with him also say that. and what do you think, will this wreckage be a reason to reconsider approach of the partners regarding training and, for example , set the condition that now the training should last longer, because at the beginning we heard statements that pilots, pilots should study there

for a year and a half, it seems they called it, and two, and ukrainian pilots went through this training very quickly , well, the general training course for retraining on f-16 for the word. for the bulgarian pilots who are now receiving this aircraft, it means 30 months, well, it's 2.5 years, yes, but at the same time they still have to master two intermediate types. such, not to mention about a two-seater version of the f16b, on which they will fly with the instructor together. we passed this course accelerated, but our pilots have combat experience, so it is somehow easier for them, but our pilots do not have a clear knowledge of the english language, and therefore it will be a little more difficult for them, it was a little more difficult, but in general, so far september, well, according to the plans , 20 pilots should be trained... we only have 10 planes so far, well, in

any case, it was announced that way, yes, and the issue of pilot training, i think that it is necessary, our allies will react in the way that if we lose not only, it's a war, yes, we lose not only pilots, not only planes, but also pilots, and the situation now is that the united states ... they say that in that is why the air wings of the national guard, where our pilots were trained, have no way to train them, they are training bulgarians, they are training slovaks, they are training pilots from bahrain and other such hot spots of the world, but that means in quotation marks, and in denmark at the skrudstrup base until the end of the year completed training, because this staff, who served the f-16 training center, he must retrain for the f-35. the country is already

phasing out the f-16, right? and the contract with the european f-16 training center in romania, that is, at the feteshta base, yes, that means near constanta, the contract has not yet been concluded with it, the contract for the training of ukrainian pilots has not been concluded. i hope this tragic event. speed up the conclusion of such a contract and let them train our pilots a little longer, because they will already be pilots, well, not with such combat experience as our oleksii mes, who died as a pilot, he was the oldest, senior rank, he is a lieutenant colonel, he was posthumously assigned the rank of colonel, and he was going to retrain on the f-16 from the post of mig-20 aircraft squadron commander. and what about you anyway, i want to return to the statements of maryana

bezuglai, i understood from your answer that it is not necessary to base the theory there only on her statement, but nevertheless, look, she publicly accused the air force command, therefore that they allegedly hushed up this situation, many are now condemning it and asking the security service to intervene in general of ukraine, they say she works for russia with such statements. but others say that with her statements, on the contrary, she brings changes in the system closer and contributes to the fact that the problems are not silenced, what is your opinion on this matter, did she do the right thing, that she reported about it? i think not, why, i think, you know, there should be some kind of approach to, let's say, if it's about reforming the armed forces, the approach should be more by example. with them , it’s not the same as taking and changing all the commanders, and it’s not the same, so there, well, i don’t

i know, there is a separate commander of the air force, he wants to see another, yes, but it is necessary to have a group of people who would base this theory, who can command better, yes, what mistakes were made, it should be, you understand, some kind of decision. .. well, i don’t know how to say, so, some, well, in the americans, but how is it done, so it is an analysis, an analysis of flights is carried out, yes, and after that conclusions are drawn, and to draw conclusions, what is mrs. bezugli, what the hell far from, say, the planning of combat operations, from birth reports troops, yes, it conducts general policy and financing, is responsible for general flights. such financing of the armed forces, it simply cannot

make a decision based on its qualifications, whether these are qualified commanders or unqualified commanders, yes, it should be an analysis there by some commission at the level of the general staff to analyze the mistakes made and draw conclusions as to whether this or that officer can continue, general, the commander should continue commanding or not, but to do it on the basis of... the conclusions of ms. well, baseless, but globally, look, here again, she says that this is already... not the first loss of an aircraft, that this is at least the third loss of an aircraft, it’s just that there were no f-16s before and that the air force used to be they kept quiet about it and explained the loss of the plane by the fact that they were shot down by russia, they blamed it on russia, and they said precisely because the air force constantly kept it quiet, well, she decided to tell it all, and what is known in principle about the losses of ukrainian

aviation to this case and is there any reason to believe that there is also... little space for some or mistakes, or again friendly fire, there is always friendly fire, and we had such cases in the 22nd year of the year, but you know, i cannot make any statements about this without official conclusions, well, they kept quiet, then and such there was a situation, you understand, yes, that the russians destroyed our planes there, we suffered significant losses, and the russians at that time... there were also air battles, we also shot down the russians, but before the general, so to speak, well, such an alarming situation to add that oh, we also shot down our own plane, well, it happens, this is war, you understand, this is a war, this, there are cases when, so, an infantryman shot someone, because they somehow did not inform in time that they

would come, yes, they would approach there when changing positions, for example, yes, these are military operations, this is... not an excuse in order to remove the commander, because if there was friendly fire, it is a technical failure, first of all, a technical failure, yes, and you yourself know what equipment we started the war with, old soviet, patched, patched, 10 times without spare parts , yes, and therefore, if there were any technical failures, it is difficult to blame it commanders, uh, it could be answered by an officer of a particular... section, i think that conclusions about such cases have always been made, but to announce, for example, in the 22nd year, well, i know one such case in the 22nd year, to announce about that means for the whole country, when a critical moment is coming there, it was completely untimely and for no reason, you see, there

was no benefit from such a statement at that moment, but now, when the situation is more or less the same. so clear, we get help from allies, we know that they will help us, ah, and weapons, well, not in the quantity that we need, and now it is possible to report more calmly from him, relate to this, excuse me, and then, when there was a critical situation, also announce the reasons for our losses, well, i think , that it was completely impractical, but now? well, now they said that our plane was shot down, so it must be, we didn't shoot it down, sorry, i didn't lose it, so what did i lose, we lost the plane, yes, the reasons are being investigated, i think that if, oh my god, harrows , it was friendly fire, yes, so, well, it will be reported, well, what a secret it is, uh, so the loss of the plane, so here, but

still, well, to say that, itself... patriot, you see, the plane was shot down quite far from, let's say, the battle line, from the areas where the patriots are used. the message was published on the command, page of the command west. you yourself understand that the patriots are not very useful there. so, but, well, to be honest, you and i are breaking the water for the introduction, yes, it would be better to have some kind of conclusion. and then we can talk about something, ms. bezugla's statements on the air for 10 hours are a waste of time, but well, she has a position for the time being, and this gives us reason to believe that she has access to certain information, so we consider it necessary to discuss these statements, and i understand that

the american side should now join the investigation, right, well, if our ... the armed forces will make such a decision, it would be useful, in my opinion, it would be useful if there were problems in the technical part, yes, something failed the plane, yes, well , the control system, for example, failed, yes at the last moment , or the ground collision warning system has failed, although it should work, and it works by two factors, it's not automatic, on the latest models with digital controls, it will just take the plane out and not let it do that, right? but a collision with a line, for example, a power transmission, uh, well, a low altitude, there cruise missiles fly at an altitude of 50 m, sometimes they descend lower there, so under... under the conditions of the area, yes, if one of these critical systems failed, well, then you need to involve relevant specialists from lockmartin,

or films that supplied this system, this block, this control, yes, well, but in general, if the reason is somewhat simpler, well, a pilot error, well, for example, i will say once again that there is a possible explosion of a warhead of russian ammunition, there are wings. missiles or shahed, it will be clear from the wreckage of the plane, from the totality of information, from the combat control officer there, from, say, the radio engineering units that monitored this anti-aircraft battle, it will be possible to do it with our specialists, the forces of our specialists, but in general, in general, it is always useful, you see, the situation is like this, the americans help us, ah,... let's say, in improving onboard defense complexes, yes, and for this we inform them whether they are effective and how they work against russian missiles, that is, it is

a mutually beneficial exchange, well, in the case of such a tragedy, as happened in our country, if necessary, it will be possible to find out its causes , and these are technical reasons, it will be useful for the american side as well. thank you very much for such a detailed analysis, valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher. at the state aviation museum of ukraine, we talked about the loss of the f-16 by ukraine and to which ones consequences and results it can lead to. thank you very much. and now, due to the difficult situation at the front, in particular in donetsk region, the evacuation of villages and towns that are under the threat of occupation continues. for example, this is mirnograd, and we can now show you how people are being evacuated from there.

i grew up, and now, honestly, i can’t believe that we are leaving here, i have achieved everything, i have my own shops, which at the moment are working until the end of me, here is a small shop on lymanskyi, and

i will tell you honestly, there are even tears convert i dream at night, because i can't believe it, i can't believe it, i often visited bakhmut, we were volunteers, we went to bakhmut, i went to avdiivka until the last and i... could not believe that such a thing could happen with our city, with our garden, well, now i have a raspberry on my table, the contrast after the topic of war is sharp, i understand that, but we will not talk about malina, but about pavlo kyrylenko, he is the current head of the antimonopoly committee of ukraine, and before that he was the head of the donetsk region, pavlo kyrylenka, is suspected of illegal enrichment, according to this we have been following the topic since our colleagues from the scheme program discovered that the family of pavlo kyrilenko, while he was the head of the donetsk region, rapidly

grew in numerous fortunes, cars, apartments, land - all standard, official income, to buy all this, neither kyrilenko , nor his family had any, you ask, and what is the point of raspberry, so what is the point, this week the court chose a preventive measure for kyrylenk and at the court, among other things, it became known that... kyrylenk's relatives explain the existence of their wealth by that once they sold raspberries and invested the money earned from the sale of raspberries in elite movable and immovable property, which in the end pavlo kyrylenko himself used and still uses. and then a few words about the antimonopoly committee of ukraine itself, which is headed by pavlo kyrylenko. this is the place where the fate of big business is decided, the main tasks of the anti-monopoly committee are to prevent monopolies, protect competition in the market, monitor... public procurement and regulate the business activities of oligarchs, before the anti-monopoly reform the ukraine committee is attracting the attention of western partners, meanwhile

, as we can see now, the head of this department is sitting on the dock and is suspected of illegal enrichment. what's next? we will talk about this shortly, but first a quick reference. a native of the city of makiivka, donetsk region, pavlo kyrylenko, a lawyer by education, has been actively building a career in the prosecutor's office since 2008, worked in the prosecutor's office of the donetsk region and the autonomous republic of crimea, as well as the military and general prosecutor's offices. and in 2019, at the presidential elections of ukraine. volodymyr zelenskyy wins, and already on july 5 he appoints pavlo kyrylenka as the head of the donetsk regional state administration. during the presentation of the new chairman , zelenskyi also commented on information about pavlo kyrylenka's family. his parents live in the occupied territory, kyrylenka's brother even served in the so-called ministry of state security of the dpr and was included in the list of peacekeepers. the parents consider themselves ukrainians, they do not want to move anywhere. as for the brother,

it is... a painful issue for pavel, so i took it upon myself the courage to say it: he does not communicate with his brother because of political differences. pavlo himself left the occupied territory and has been working in ukraine since the first days of the occupation. many broken families because of the war. please do not divide us into our own people and those of others who live in the temporarily occupied territories today. they are also ukrainians. kyrylenko worked as the head of the donetsk regional state administration during the coronavirus pandemic and at the beginning of the full-scale invasion. and already in september... 2023 , the verkhovna rada appointed him the head of the antimonopoly committee. as they will find out later journalists of radio liberty's schema program, from the moment pavlo kyrylenko started working as the head of the donetsk regional state administration, his family began to accumulate property. apartments in kyiv and uzhgorod, house, offices, land plots and parking spaces for over uah 70 million. he did not specify the real estate used by kyrylenko in the declarations. at that time, he himself

explained such a large amount of property by the fact that his wife's relatives received shares of the styrol plant in the 90s and successfully sold them. after the publication of the investigation of the schemes, the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office and the national the anti-corruption bureau started criminal proceedings under the articles of illegal enrichment and declaration of false information, the national agency for the prevention of corruption started monitoring the lifestyle of the head of the anti-monopoly committee. as the schemes became clear after the case against kyrylenko was opened, he and his family were advised by lawyer vasyl fedytnyk. he is closely related to oleg tatarov, the deputy head of the president's office. the lawyer advised them to change their phones and clean up their mail. and already in august, kyrylenko was informed of the suspicion, and the superior the anti-corruption court chose a preventive measure: 30 million hryvnias as bail. already at the court , it became known that kyrylenka's father-in-law explained

the family's wealth in... the successful sale of raspberries. lyudmila buimister, people's deputy of ukraine and representative of the committee on economic development, joined our broadcast. ludmila, i congratulate you. i congratulate you. you are in military uniform. i think we will talk about kyrylenka's economic policy and the antimonopoly committee. but i think you should explain to the audience why you are in military uniform. because from the moment full-scale invasion voluntarily mobilized to the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. and today our unit carries out the task of defending our east, to kirylenko's meeting, and on the other hand, you come to the meeting of the verkhovna rada, do you come all the time, i show up, that's how they let me go, of course to fulfill the powers of a deputy, i understand you, i understand you, thank you, then now about kyrylenka, let's do it, and what will actually happen next, we have an anti-monopoly committee, an extremely important body, which

is watched by all... western partners, the head of this antimonopoly committee is on the dock, he has illegal enrichment, the lack of declaration of large assets there and so on, what and who should do next, he should be fired, he should be suspended, if so, who should make this decision and at what level , and what can your economic committee, which directly monitors the work of the antimonopoly committee, offer? i will first start with your direct questions, what can be done as soon as possible and ... in order to fix the situation and really not lose face in front of international partners, it would, of course, be necessary to dismiss mr. kyrylenka from his post, remove him until the court's decision is issued and deal with the appointment of a new antimonopoly committee, but, as you correctly noticed in your story, president zelenskyi justified wealth and family ties ties of mr. kyrylenka even before his

appointment to... this position, therefore hopes that for...