direction will be transferred to kurdsky to try to recapture this territory, by the way, i hope that by then some other territories of the russian federation will be under the control of ukrainian troops, the more we create such problems for the russians, the better for us, but here it is will be in this sequence, not in any other. and we can expect , for example, that russia, putin, the kremlin leadership will conduct. some minimal mobilization in the fall or at least there for the next few months, or will still form with the help of hidden mobilization some brigades or battalions and will throw them, for example, on this essentially a small piece of the kursk region, or will they prioritize, in your opinion, politically, again, as a priority... press the

same donetsk region, well they can proceed from the same reasoning, for whom, say, they proceed in kyiv, when president zelensky says that for putin kursk region is the end, that everything began with kursk, and will end with kursk, then he expresses a reasoning that, well, it is purely in theory, but it has the right to life, let's say a raid by ukrainian troops on the territory of the kurt region, it can reduce putin's authority in such a way that it really does. putin's rating has fallen, not significantly, but it has fallen, which will lead to the fact that his regime will not be able to hold on and thus the very nature of the war will change in a political way, but putin may just think that if he manages to break through the front, capture there donetsk region, to open the roads to the dnipro and zaporizhzhia, then in this way he will contribute to the collapse of the ukrainian state itself, why release kurshchyna, recruit some additional vi'. as you say, it is different when you can

simply destroy an enemy state, and it will go away by itself, because it will not exist. putin needs the capitulation of ukraine, what difference does it make to him, how, when this capitulation will take place and how many ukrainian troops will be on the territory of the russian federation, if the ukrainian army itself ceases to exist, well, these troops will simply lay down their arms, as they laid down their arms, let's say there are german troops on the territory of czechoslovakia already after may 9, 8-9, 1945. and that's all, they were there on someone else's territory states, controlled prague, but when it became clear that their army in germany ceased to exist, they also had to vacate this territory, it is absolutely simple there, i would say such an instinct, and putin can share it, he can from this point vision to go out when he thinks about the attack on donetsk region, this is the first, and the second, these are still such boyish concepts, in the 22nd year he gave an order to his troops to restore territorial control, so to speak. the integrity of this

donetsk people's republic invented in the kremlin, and that's it 2.5 years have passed, andrei, and no one is restoring any territorial integrity, well, in this situation, i apologize, it would be very strange to expect that it will change for the better, if putin still transfers some part of his troops to the liberation of the kurdish people, of course no, he needs to show that this is really what he started this so-called svo here for, it continues to do. that he continues to act, so to speak, according to the plan, at this very time, at this very time, well , kurshchyna can wait, he announced a counterterrorist operation there, he reproached those who was not able to protect the border decently, and this is also not bad, by the way, because you and i are talking about additional troops, but these additional troops, they are needed not only to liberate the territory of the kurt region, which is now located under the control of the ukrainian military, and you also need to have them to protect the entire perimeter of the border. belgorod, kursk, and

bryansk regions of the russian federation from ukraine. there were no significant troops there until now, right? there were already troops there, which were even equipped with conscripts, who in principles should not serve in a combat zone. so now it is necessary to approach this situation in a completely different way. another act of russian terror against our country took place this week. it was on august 26 that the russians actually launched almost the most massive strike, in particular, with various types of missile weapons, unmanned aerial vehicles of the shachet type on the territory of ukraine, this is indeed one of the biggest strikes, hundreds, literally hundreds of missiles, hundreds of barrage munitions were used shahed, and this of course... everything, allegedly, if we are talking about

the russian information context, was used for the so-called act of retaliation for... kursk region, yes, well, and in particular in the same context, we can also say that in fact the last three weeks, at least, and even four weeks, the de facto russians have been carrying out constant daily terror, in particular in the capital of ukraine, kyiv, as well as in neighboring regions, by shaheeds, well, in particular, the current night was no exception, mr. vitaly, in this context, it ... a pre-planned energy terror, or is it for real this is the answer and an attempt to distract the attention of russian society from the failure of the kurshchyna, and in your opinion, should

we expect a continuation of such terror in the next few months, at least intensified terror for a certain... political stabilization of putin's ratings? well , you know, i don't think at all that this is intended for russian society, and that russian society is somehow very worried about this kurt region, that we need to seriously restore something. second, i believe that all this talk about revenge, they do not take place in the russian context, maybe there are some telegram channels or some propagandists talking about it, in ukrainian. this is from some ukrainians, i hear that it is popsta for kurshchyna. and i believe that this is an absolutely planned and logical policy, which is already continuing. for a long time, i would say, from the moment putin became convinced that he would not be able to occupy the entire territory of ukraine. it seems to me that yesterday or the day before yesterday we talked with the famous tv presenter yevhen kiselov, he even told me the date, which in his opinion

was the beginning of such terror, it seems that it was november 2022, do you remember that there was a mass attack on kyiv, yes, yes, yes, yes, well, it was november 6 or what date, if not... i'm not mistaken, it was 10 october 22, because by this point putin had such a blitzkrieg idea that he would take over this whole territory, and then there were questions, why destroy all the infrastructure that he would need, and around october he realized that this territory was really not will be able to admire that the russian army does not have such forces, and therefore a decision was made then, which is reflected in life. that it is necessary to turn ukraine into an energy desert. this idea, it is absolutely correct, if you look at the logic of the aggressor, because it pursues several goals. the first goal is to induce ukraine to capitulate. that is, ukrainians must understand that they cannot survive. in the war with the russian

federation, if they just want to survive, not about victory, but about defeat, about the ordinary survival of ordinary people, it is necessary to surrender to the metropolis, otherwise it will destroy everything here in ten... that all this will not be restored, simple logic: first, second, if it is not even possible to force ukraine to capitulate, its punishment should be exemplary for all other former soviet republics, which does not need to be connected with russia to complain, ukraine tried to resist russia, russia failed to subjugate it, but it simply destroyed it, an absolutely known method, so to speak. t empires, not even in the middle ages, i would say, in antiquity everything was like that, carthage must be destroyed, here is putin that's how ukraine is, it just has to be destroyed sooner or later, and there's no price he won't pay for that ultimate destruction, so this attack, it absolutely

fits into that logic, that second point is very important, because in this case all the other territories he claims will then be much larger. ready to make concessions when russia offers them certain integration proposals, this is the second such moment, the third moment is also very important, this is, as you understand, a demographic moment, russia, in principle, even if it fails to seize ukraine, wanted to drastically reduce the population here, because ukraine throughout the existence of the russian empire and... and the soviet union, the ukrainian people were, relatively speaking, the only geopolitical competitor of the russian people, the number of ukrainians was always a large number, it was a large a nation that could be reckoned with and had to be reckoned with, the other nations of the empire

did not have to be reckoned with in particular, and there was no second such nation in terms of the number of people, neither in the russian empire nor in the soviet union, we are many we are talking about the resistance of the baltic peoples, about... zynsk resistance, about the chechen resistance, but these are tiny nations with a population of a couple of million to a million. estonia is a nation without millions. yes, it was a struggle, but it's a struggle. was always in the conditions when the empire was glorified, because in another version , estonians could count on the fact that they would simply all be rescued from estonia, as it was after the war with the crimean tatars, with the chechens, with the ingush, as it was during war with the germans of the volga region, as it was with kalmyks, small peoples cannot do anything against a large empire, no resistance helps, they can simply put the whole people... into wagons and take them somewhere else, and this

has happened repeatedly in the history of the russian empire, population replacement, with ukrainians it is you just can't do it, you won't take 40 million and you won't drive them out, so you won't take them out and destroy them in one fell swoop, you understand, we are talking about the holodomor and the final solution to the jewish question before and during world war ii war, but there are numbers there, conventionally speaking, in the millions of people, not tens of millions, even technologically, i apologize for the cynicism, it is very difficult to destroy 40 million people at once, like, say, the hitlerites did with the jews, so such the population needs to be reduced, you and i already understand that ukraine, which was there before the war, was a country of 40, with a population of 35-40 million, now there are probably 28-30 million. on the territory of ukraine, if this story with the energy collapse is correctly conducted, a large number of people

will be forced to leave, and you talked about kyiv, and you mention yesterday’s barbaric bombing of kharkiv, it’s the same story, that is, the population must relocate, it was threatened, relocate from the east and south, in the center to the west, and from the center and to the west beyond the borders of ukraine. and if even the russian army does not manage to establish complete control over this territory, then at the end of the war, if there will be, relatively speaking, not 40 million inhabitants, but 15, the country, which was the size of germany there demographically, will turn from a country the size of slovakia, it will be a great victory for the putins, they want this, and that is why a long war is beneficial to them, because... this long war objectively reduces the number of the ukrainian population, even if you imagine that not all of them are killed yes, a large number

of the population will be pushed out of the borders of ukraine, many will not return, after the end of the war many will, of course, go to their families, this is a demographic war, we should never forget about it, and a plus, mr. vitaly, the creation here is this ephemeral one, what about it putin dreams of a buffer zone, but they are trying to create it in the north of our country. you mentioned kharkiv, absolutely right, the same can be said about sumy oblast, which is just every day, i don’t believe in anything, i believe that if they capture something there, they will be able to dig in somewhere in kharkiv oblast, in sumy oblast, hoping that they will not if they succeed, they will hold a referendum there in three months, announce the accession of the independent state of kharkiv oblast to the russian federation, and demand that ukrainian troops withdraw from the whole. territory kharkiv region, as they are now demanding that ukrainian troops withdraw from this territory of kherson or zaporizhzhia regions,

and will already create a buffer zone for these regions in other regions of ukraine. this is the politics of salami, we can talk about the buffer zone in the kurdish region, because we , like russia, respect international law, and we are not going to attach anything foreign, and in russia the issue of international law, as you understand, is very conditional , she destroyed it a long time ago, and that's why all this talk about the bouverna the zone is... just preparation for a new annexation, it just justifies what we are doing there, a buffer zone, and what, do you remember that they in donbas generally said that they are not there, and by the way, a lot who agreed with this, both in the west and in ukraine, for reasons i do not understand , these figures of the dpr, lpr were called so-called separatists, although it was a clerical occupation, so these are all different methods of habits, there is a people's republic, here is a buffer zone, then we wake up. one fine day, in the kharkiv region, a referendum, why they are trying so hard to climb into vovchansk or

storm kupling so that they have some center from which they can hold a referendum and claim kharkiv, because they hope that if they can annex at least part of the kharkiv region, they will later force to get ukraine out of all the regions they annexed is their calculation, to the international context of ours. and support of ukraine, here i would like to mention that our country is asking individual states, including nato countries, to provide possibility. to use their weapons, at least pointwise on the territory of russia, deep into the territory of russia, in particular, this also applies to the offensive in the kursk region of russia, so in particular, the high representative of the european union for foreign policy, joseph borel, he stated that ukraine should get

the permission of each country to use such weapons, we see. that some countries are ready to grant such permission, some, unfortunately, like italy, are not ready, we see statements , including the president of the czech republic, who says that that ukraine should be given permission to actually hit targets with such weapons on the sovereign territory of russia, yes, and in this context, even after ukraine demonstrated success in the course. region, even after russia continues its daily terror, we see that still some states have doubts about whether to give ukraine such an opportunity, and we see that even our main ally in the united states of america still has such doubts, it seemed b, as if all the red lines had already

been crossed, and it would be worthwhile to help ukraine in on this issue, but... but there is still no unanimity, whether there will be, mr. vitaly, and that even now, even today, on the last day of the summer of 2024, prevents our key allies from making such a fateful decision for our armed forces. well, it is clear that the fear of nuclear war, this fear is not going anywhere and will not go anywhere, but i think that it will be overcome little by little, because... what was the concept, we also talked about this many times, what was the concept among the russians and its west in the first period of this war. the russians demonstrated that they are ready to take any desperate steps, they

have been scaring the west with nuclear terror since the first day of this great war, and the west all the time believed that if he... would help ukraine, so to speak, stop putin, sooner or later putin would realize , that he has no possibility of capturing all of ukraine, that his entire history has collapsed, and thus he will be forced to go to some negotiations, if not about the end, then the suspension of this terrible war, but it has already passed, as i said 2.5 years of no intentions on the part of putin that he understood something, no, on the contrary, putin himself moves the red lines all the time, i would say that the offensive of ukrainian troops in the kurdish region of the russian federation is one of the first examples when we moved the red lines, not putin, and that is why it so

shocked the russian kermanych, because he was used to moving the red lines himself. everyone else is just reacting to it, so the west just has to now also move the red lines for the simple reason that it needs putin to stop, and they can to believe that if they, say, give permission to ukraine to use western weapons, i think that politicians like jose borel did not talk about it simply, as if they did not realize that there are serious discussions about this at a high level in the west. of course, in such a situation, this also needs to be understood, one way or another, the event would not simply announce such discussions. so, there are discussions, maybe some western countries will start to allow ukraine to use their long-range weapons, maybe

with the exception of, say, the united states, maybe with the exception of nuclear states there will be. some form is found, it can all be, perhaps f-16 aircraft, which will be supplied by non -americans, will be allowed to enter the airspace of the russian federation at a long distance, all this can be over time, again, it must be understood that everything it will happen over time, this is only the first years of the war, the first, it could happen in the fourth, fifth... sixth year, it's in our interest to make it happen sooner, because the sooner it happens, the sooner there will be a prospect , that in the coming years the parties will come close to the need at least before... a truce, at least a humanitarian truce, at least such agreements that will allow us to preserve part of the energy supply. yes, i do not see such agreements in 2024, 2025,

but maybe on the 26th-27th such opportunities will arise, but for this you need to move these red lines, but the west will still move them in such a way as not to give the russian federation the opportunity to use tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, because the west does not know exactly what... to react in such a way situation, and in order for it to happen, so to speak, systematically. the russians understand what the west is afraid of. when sergey lavrov says that americans should not think that a nuclear war will take place exclusively in europe, that it will necessarily affect america as well. this means that the russians are also starting to move red lines on their side, because before, when... we talked about the danger of nuclear war, even war between the russian federation and the united states, it was believed that the russian federation could attack american military facilities in europe. yes, with

the use of tactical nuclear weapons, maybe even with the use of strategic nuclear weapons, but we are talking about american bases on the european continent. now the head of the russian political department makes it clear to the americans that strategic nuclear strikes are possible. into the heart of america, turning its cities and military facilities into burning grounds. of course, these are absolutely fantastic, utopian words. but put yourself in the shoes of the president of the united states, the secretary of state of the united states, to the secretary of defense of the united states, who are forced to consider such a possibility. so, the russian blackmail works one way or another. and so, that is why the americans are quite careful, because they have on one, i would say, on one... on one side, the provision of international law, the survival of ukraine as a sovereign state, we are not even talking with you now about the restoration

of territorial integrity, just about the survival of ukraine and the ukrainian people in those territories where ukrainians originally lived, this i would say is even more urgent today task than any other, because now we are talking not about the territorial integrity of this recovery, but about whether ukraine will be or not, and whether ukrainians will be there, say, in the early 30s, at all located here. this is clear, so that it becomes clear what we are fighting for, not for us to enter donetsk yalta, but for the memory of ukrainians to remain in lviv or uzhgorod in general, this is what putin wants, completely different task for russia and ukraine in this war. so, on one side, on one side, on one side, on one side, this one the situation of the preservation of ukrainian statehood, on the other hand, the possibility of a real... nuclear war with russian strikes on america, and someone will say: listen, they are not crazy to do such a thing, we, they understand that we will be able to answer them, well

, we can, it will be easier for us if we answer them, if, say, there will be not only half of new york, but also half of moscow, what will we get from this, well, this is the question that any sober-minded politician asks himself, the more we will remember the value of human life in the united states and in europe is many times higher than in post-mortem. who has room and even for politicians, not only for society, but also for politicians, it has always been so, that is why the second world war was won precisely at the expense of the fact that the value of human life in the soviet union was equal to zero, and therefore the allies could calmly watch the way joseph stalin and his marshals, marshals of victory, actually marshals of death, litter the reich with the corpses of their compatriots, and that's all, this too must be understood. what they come from, about american context, i will remind you that the elections are still going on in the united states of america and two candidates are competing there,

kamala harris and donald trump. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, said that he would hand over the plan for the victory of ukraine to both teams of candidates, to both candidates. on the other hand, trump stated that... that he does not like the ukrainian offensive in the kursk region of russia, he says that it could lead to the third world war, well, trump is here, as they say, absolutely in his role, nothing there is nothing strange about such statements from him, but here kamala harris, the vice president of the united states, she gave the first extensive interview, and in this first extensive interview, she did not mention ukraine, sir. vitaly, you and i have repeatedly talked for many months about the fact that ukraine is not the main topic of the election campaign in the united

states of america. but, despite this, for example, trump mentions ukraine, well, if not at every rally, then at least much more often than the candidate from the democratic party, and very often, if we are talking about these statements, he mentions, well, in such a too positive a connotation for us, how do you evaluate these two actions of the candidates, trump's statement that he does not like such actions. ukraine and haris's silencing or silencing of the ongoing war in ukraine, is she doing the right thing and why does trump continue to do so? well, kamela harris, like any experienced politician, works with technology, and she clearly understands what topics are important to the american

audience, her main task. whether now to win the election of the president of the united states, to stop donald trump, and it is not easy a task given the way the situation in the united states has been developing in general with this election campaign and with the way president joe biden has left and so on. i have no doubt that when, if kamalas wins the presidential election in the united states, she will be a continuation of biden's policies. perhaps ukraine will not occupy such a place in its own political. program, as ukraine occupied a place in biden's program, because ukraine was personally important to biden. as you know, he was also involved in ukraine during the time when he was the vice president of the united states in the administration of barack obama. i am not talking about his many years of career, which was connected with this, i would say, in rivalry with dictatorships, since the time of the yugoslav war, when senator biden was one of the supporters of supplying american weapons to bosnia and herzegovina , so that

bosnia and herzegovina could resist. belgrade, so this is part of his political, i would say, visionary. kamela harris has made a completely different political career, and she is now focusing on first of all on domestic political issues once, and then she very much needs to pass the test, so to speak, demonstrating on the one hand support for israel, and on the other hand, not scaring away those radical anti-israel democratic voters who believe that israel's response to... the hamas raid on october 7 last year was excessive, and this was the topic of the kamela harris interview, the first interview we saw, such a big interview with the vice president, with the vice presidential candidate, as for donald trump, i wouldn't say that he remembers ukraine, andriy, i would say that he remembers russia, for him ukraine was, is and will be, only this is, i would say, an unpleasant barrier for... . improving

relations with russia and establishing close personal interactions with putin, and by the way, just today, i think at a rally in pennsylvania, if i'm not mistaken, i even watched it literally before our broadcast, here i am , er, i i will tell you, where, where, where was this rally, yes, there was another one in pennsylvania. this rally and here i will quote trump the last for people say about trump treated russia well? no, i didn't have a good attitude towards russia, but you know, being friends with russia is good, it's right, but conflict with them is bad, here's trump's statement: being friends with russia is good, not bad, it's smart, remember this, and what prevents you from being friends with

russia, ukraine. that's why trump doesn't mention ukraine, he mentions russia, people like putin and kim jong-un have always caused him sincere admiration, i said the scope of his powers. maybe that's what it's about trump would dream if he was born in a neo -democratic country, but i don't know what he really dreamed about. i'm just saying that the important thing in this case is not the plan that zelensky will propose. we already have a peace formula, we can have a plan. victory again, we must first define what victory is in the conditions in which we are now, because we have victory to restore territorial integrity - a fact, we have victory not to surrender any more territories - fact, we have victory - to hold back in those territories of russia which we now have under control, a fact, we have a victory - not to freeze in winter, not to lose several million more people who can leave here, a fact.