the rules of the game, here everything happens in one and the same space. owners of social networks, by the way, this is what facebook does, however, they must learn to work with verified information, unverified information cannot be everywhere. the owner of the information channel, information space must be responsible for his actions. well, of course, not in a situation where it's some kind of dictatorship, when you're just secretly releasing some... high-profile information, but that's a different story, we're talking about a civilized world, a world where there is judiciary, you and i, if we publish some unreliable information, now on this tv channel, we will slander someone, you and i can be sued, if our colleagues who are engaged in the investigation got hold of something incredible, you know it very well and here on any other channel, the first thing they'll...

do is they'll meet with lawyers to properly file this information, to defend against a possible lawsuit against specific people, against specific organizations, and next to us there's a lot of what all that anyone can talk about anyone, and there will be no responsibility for it, this cannot be, because this is the end of civilization, you know, not only ukraine, it means that the liar will always win, freedom of speech is not freedom. lies, i say this all the time, i say it's completely wrong bbc standards, when you give two positions, one of which is true and the other is a lie, you can give two different interpretations of the same fact, but you can't force a person to discuss with this person, who is simply outright lying, that is do you remember how it was with the story of the downing of the malaysian plane by a russian missile, so it was necessary to state two positions, one position was in... ukrainian, dutch, who

want it to be a russian missile, and here and there some russian official spoke out, who was quoted as saying that it was actually a ukrainian plane that shot down that plane, even though there was no ukrainian plane in the sky, there was nothing to do with ukraine at all, in this tragedy, but they talked about it, they lied, but at least they were officials, there is a press secretary sechyna, lyontsiv. he was just saying it with his lips and we already knew it was a lie and that even if it was a bbc standard lie it didn't really meet any standards of decency, just a regular lying scumbag hyping up the deaths of innocent people and now imagine , that this guy from lyons or some other russian propagandist will create an anonymous channel, why will he create it, he probably created it a long time ago, and will report all this. all such information, yes,

as if he is not a russian propagandist, but ukrainian official, how to protect yourself from this? well, if telegram or twitter allows you to do this, if after elon musk bought twitter, verified users who were socially significant persons, those verification ticks disappeared, blue, remember, yes, uh, uh, and this an extravagant... a billionaire started trading these ticks, so now any person who is a nobody can buy themselves this verification mark, and under this verification mark spread disinformation, well, i always believed that this verification mark, when it is in i was there in the profile, it means that here i am, i am a ukrainian journalist, i am responsible for my words, twitter confirms that i am a ukrainian journalist, so that people know that they are reading a real person. now i

don’t have any verification mark, because that ’s what this crazy buyer of twitter wanted, who, as we know, now bought it with the money of people close to russian oligarchs, they lent him money, peter aven’s son lent him money, avin himself, as you know, close to putin, here's the whole story for you, a alisha rusmanov did not give money to the fool. a person close to putin, so this is really a real political lunatic, not a medical diagnosis, but a political diagnosis, and we need to simply return to common sense , andriy, not only to the ukrainian verkhovna rada, the ukrainian verkhovna rada among other parliaments of civilized countries of the world, the protection of freedom of speech - it's security. freedom

of truth, i repeat again, but i have not finished this opinion, cnn and fox news can have completely different interpretations of the storming of the capitol, and this is completely logical in the situation. when there are different television or media platforms, but neither cnn nor fox news will hide from their viewers the actual storming of the capitol, and russian television, say, is engaged in the fact that it hides the facts from those who watch it, and that is what the anonymous channels are engaged in telegram, they hide facts and invent facts, and in this way they plunge people into complete darkness, into an abyss from which there will never be a way out, and when we... we read such channels, we are professional journalists, we know how analyze information, we understand what anonymous information is different from verified information, we may even be interested, yes, as if we bought tickets with you to some theater, or were brought to some psychiatric hospital, and we can

look through the glass at what happens to its patients, but imagine to an ordinary person who does not have the skills to work with information, this is simply from... psychological rape of people, that's all i can tell you, unfortunately, we have what we have, as i say, this also applies to telegram, and other social networks, in principle, i think, the verkhovna rada, ours people's deputies, and world freedom in general, and mr. vitaly is right, we need a complex, methodical, comprehensive approach. to this issue that we have in recent years, it has already grown to incredible proportions, the issue of disinformation in the world and in ukraine, it has grown to simply

unprecedented proportions. there are still other issues, and these issues are being raised again, unfortunately, this is the issue of relations, relations between ukraine and poland. here we have again a topic that concerns the historical contexts, yes, and mr. vitaliy and i have discussed it several times, another scandal, the prime minister of poland donald tusk said that ukraine will not join the european union until it resolves the historical issues, the so-called with ukraine or. does not settle historical problems, at the same time this scandal affected the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, mr. kuleba, in particular kuleba also stated that these, more precisely, he mentioned the vistula operation, this is also one

of the infamous pages of history between ukraine and poland, he reminded , that these people were evicted from the ukrainian territory, before... they were actually resettled in the territory of the western part the republic of poland, and already many polish politicians, in particular from the right wing, they state that kuleba should be banned from entering poland, that is, such exchanges of statements, but the fact that there is already the level of the prime minister, who speaks about the fact that ukraine will not join the european union means that... we are entering another round of these discussions and debates, possibly including in the context of the upcoming presidential elections, which will take place in may 2025, i.e. next year, but less , but this issue will still be needed

to somehow decide, it will be necessary to somehow discuss with ukraine, of course, that it will be necessary to defend itself, but also... talk with poland, talk with polish colleagues, how to reach some kind of result, mr. vitaly, why again, why again the last months, i remember july and we talked with you, and now it's the end of august the same thing again, this situation, well why, it would seem now, when it is clear to poland that... that ukraine is fighting now against a russian terrorist, which we understand is also somehow it is necessary to solve this issue, why now, why it is being raised now and what should we do in this context, at least in the coming months, at least understanding that there will be

elections in poland, and this issue will be used, it will be, here we will not get anywhere without it, well, first of all, i have to say that we may not do anything in the coming months, because the issue of joining... countries to the european union is not an issue of the coming months and the coming years. secondly, i would like to clarify to you that, as far as i understand, polish politicians pounced on dmytro koleba, not because he mentioned the vistula operation, but because he named the territories from which you... he meant ukrainian ethnic territories, but again, that's what we call them, and poles, poles they don't think that it's ukrainian ethnicity, as you understand, and here too, you need to realize, especially people who are there in high diplomatic positions, that in a certain situation you need to be careful with statements, and not to answer, not to mention the operation visla, when you are asked about the situation with gumming, because this cut absolutely tracks, each one is important, but diplomacy itself according to the asanta principle is like this,

it never leads to satisfactory results, this is also an absolutely obvious thing for me, but i am absolutely not going to throw stones at dmitry koleb here, because it is absolutely obvious to me that his discussion with radoslav sokorsky was simply used to raise hype on this topic, it is clear, there is absolutely such an obvious reality, a reality that concerns... primarily our contacts with neighboring countries, and i am about this reality, i will always say that if someone thinks that ukraine will be able to join the european union without regulating complex issues with neighboring countries, he is mistaken, i think i have been saying this for many years in a row, and i always give the example of the republic of northern macedonia, which initially could not join nato because it could not... regulate the issue of its constitutional name with greece, and greece clearly said that as long as macedonia is called

macedonia, it will not join any nato or the european union. in the end, macedonia found moment, maybe we too will find this moment someday, when there was a government in power in greece that was so unconventional for greece, i would say very left-wing, i would even say left-radical government, prime minister tsipras, and this government was not so excited about the historical heritage as the traditional greek right and left parties, which have always made a career for themselves on history, and this government was able to agree with macedonia that it would be renamed north macedonia, macedonia would remain, but would be northern, and macedonia was able to join nato. but here the problems with the eu started because when the story with the eu started, neighboring bulgaria said no, there will be no negotiations until you... accept the bulgarian idea of ​​what northern macedonia is, until you accept that the bulgarians too have always

lived in this territory, and in general, bulgarians interfere with macedonians with bulgarians, the macedonian language with bulgarian, and this is such a complicated story. bulgaria has begun to block north macedonia's negotiations on joining the european union. and blocked exactly until the moment, while the macedonians, to whom it is all not fed up, voted in the elections for patriotic parties who don't like that macedonian... north macedonia is called north macedonia. and now greece can also block these negotiations. and the question arises, how many years does this continue? 10. 10 years since macedonia is a candidate member of the european union. what about her negotiations? nothing, as long as it can continue, it's another 25. i sincerely wish the macedonians that it ended quickly, but i still don't see any objective reasons. and what fate awaits ukraine? maybe so. and this very dangerous this is true. and it is dangerous not only for our neighbors, but also for us, because i always remind you that if we

sit like this in front of the doors of the european union, we will hold negotiations, our neighbors, whether they are poles, whether they are hungarians, whether they are slovaks, or the romanians will demand from us what we cannot do in order not to disturb our public opinion, then in the end the post-war russian influence will increase here, and the majority of society will say: listen, well, we have been waiting for... the european union for 15 years. well there was we had a war with russia 15 years ago, but they don't want us in europe, and russia wants us, then we can join the eurasian union, why were our parents there such idiots who boasted about this european union, it's better to be with russia, it does not put forward any conditions for us, well, that is if russia does not put forward any, of course, but the danger is enormous, and this must be explained to polish politicians, and hungarian politicians, and slovak politicians, and romanian politicians, all this... there will be problems, and we can already see this from the claims that hungary has there

exhibits, now these are also historical claims for the recognition of transcarpathia as historically hungarian historical territory, the fact that it will be more difficult with poland than with hungary, when it comes to practical issues, i guarantee you that, and here too you will not do anything special, as you understand, but we need to really think about it, well, if not today, then tomorrow. how to think, we need to look for mediators, ugh, ugh, mediators there, let's say, in france, in germany, create joint commissions, look for a compromise, create a joint commission of historians. with the participation of, let's say, polish, ukrainian, french historians, well, for example, to have some kind of referee, so that i countries, other neutral countries of the european union offer their version of solving these problems, many such

things, many things depend on how much we are able to explain to poland that there are problems of a national nature, and there are problems of a local nature, because for poland all relations with ukraine rest on what happened in the territory of four regions, lviv, ivano-frankivsk, ternopil, and volyn and volyn regions. and in fact, for people living in kharkiv or poltava regions, poland is as different a country as france or belgium. ugh. they have nothing to do with poland. i have to... from the point of view of conflicts, from the point of view of the past, and these poles cannot understand that what for them is a central issue of politics is actually a regional issue for them, that people in kyiv and lviv are completely different - they look at these polish -ukrainian relations in different ways, what is it for galicia and for volhynia, poland is a big subject of past

history, because the territory was part of the polish crown in pre-war poland. but what to do with the territories that parted with poland back in the days of bohdan khmelnytskyi, or were never part of poland at all, like kharkiv or dnipro or odesa, were never in poland, they do not understand at all, what polish politicians are talking about, you see, they have a completely different historical and political heritage, and these people make up the majority of the population of ukraine, that is, in why is the focus there, and that's why stepan bandera is an actor there for them. of a national movement that fought against the russians, and not at all a person who organized assassinations of polish officials, do you understand, andriy? well, mr. vitaly, i completely agree with you, and moreover, let's be frank, even for the residents of khmelnytskyi region or bukovyna, uh, they don't quite understand this context, but i often visit khmelnytskyi region, and now i was in the same way, i also

discussed this issue with people, and and and and as you say there... perception is actually for to the majority of people in poland, it is similar to how we talk about kyiv or kharkiv, i.e. people , of course, because territories, so of course, and plus we must not forget that this context in poland is also played by such openly pro-russian, maybe former now marginal political forces, for example, the same confederation that you and i also talked about directly... it is already gaining 12, 14% in poland, and they are also beating it all, and it is clear that they will, will raise this issue, and the russian forces in poland, which are also disguised as polish forces, they will raise, similarly, this issue, so here, as they say, we need all moderate people, people

who understand this context on both sides somehow. somehow think, somehow come to an agreement, somehow develop a common vision for a common future, and one more topic that i would like to discuss today is, of course , the press conference of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, it took place this week, the president said, answered the questions of journalists and. .. and about the situation at the front, and about the kursk region, it is clear that there were certain hot questions, the topic affected mr. tatarov, the topic was also touched on by the united states of america about the entourage of the president, that is, there was a certain set of issues that

society usually discusses today, some positively, some negatively, as a whole, mr. vitaly. .. how do you evaluate this press conference, what do you think of the quality of the presentation, the quality of the answers, were you satisfied as a citizen of ukraine with the answers given by the president, and of course, are you and i, as citizens, satisfied with the questions that were given to the president, have all the questions that concern us today been asked, i don't know, andriy, i proceed from the simple truth of journalism that... i didn't watch this press conference, i just watched some theses that the president put forward, that , which was important for me, i noticed there, but i spent exactly 10 minutes reading these tests. i believe that what can be said in a press conference is not news anymore, uh, that's it, i can't tell you about the quality there, about all that, i'm not one, you know, for years don't remember

i haven't been to any press conference, i haven't been to any ukrainian president's press conference since 1994, and because i believe that if people say something to a large crowd of journalists, it has nothing to do with politics, really, well, that just my point of view, so i can't tell you. and why any questions, what may thus be made public, is a quicker part of a theatrical production than a part of political life. and why, even now, i understand that it is not discussed as much as it probably should be it was before a full-scale invasion, of course we weren't before a full-scale invasion, so i didn't understand why everyone was discussing it, but more than that, i still agree with you that now... it's probably not that important to society, i didn't see such a large number of discussions as before the full-scale second. i noticed that

the central topic of this entire press conference was that the president answered about the deputy head of his office, it seems tatarov, yes yes, it seems so, well, this is also very strange, because president has repeatedly shown since 2022 that he is ready to defend his ugu, employees before. by journalists, ugh, ugh, because i believe that this is part of his political image, his political strength, at the same time, let's not forget that when the president decides to get rid of one of his closest associates, he also does not ask journalists about it and does not rely on public opinion pays a lot of attention, really, that is, he, well, remember that andrii bohdan was the head of his office, it seems that i already forget these people, bohdan, yes, yes, yes, oh, and this one. bohdana, it seems that they were also criticized no less than oleg tatarov, and the president defended him with the same fervor as oleg tatarov is defended now, and then one fine day he kicked him out of office and no longer mentioned

his existence, right? well, logically. well, the same was the case with any other people, even with socially resonant people, such as valery zaluzhno. if the president decides to fire someone, he is absolutely not interested in what the journalists think about it. not a journalist, if he is going to leave someone in office, he is absolutely not interested in what questions are asked about it, he simply does not notice or is annoyed, because this is such, i would say, this is the style of ruling, and he has developed, it is exactly for such ukrainians voted for the style of government in the presidential and parliamentary elections, it is a model of one-man rule that is based not so much on the constitution as on opportunities, because when in our conditions of a parliamentary... presidential republic you have a full majority in the parliament, you can ignore the parliament and you can turn the government into a department in the president's office,

by the way, this is not the first time this has happened in ukrainian history, as you remember, it was already like that and after 2010 it was like that in principle, so you can ignore public opinion, because you have such a huge mandate, 73% of support, and i remind you again that this is not the choice of volodymyr zelenskyi, he did not choose himself that way or seized power there. coup d'état, this is the choice of the ukrainian people, the ukrainian people gravitated towards this, as i said, paternalistic one-person model management, i am also not surprised by this, because the most popular politician among ukrainians for many years, if not ten years, was oleksandr lukashenko, and it was absolutely clear that if the conditions were created for such a model of government to emerge in ukraine, then it would emerge. i am not surprised by this, but mr. vitaly, if we are talking about the context of press conferences in general, are they necessary now, in the form in which they are, that is, the connection of the president with society through the media, and if not and if

necessary, if we talk about what they are are really necessary, but still journalists, in my opinion, have the right to ask similar questions, and probably they want to hear some answers to these questions, of course, but you should not forget that when... journalists ask questions in countries where there is a quick electoral response, for example, when journalists come to a briefing in the white house, the people who meet them know that if they do something wrong, they will be able to answer questions, they will not meet with journalists, but with a voter, and when we are with you we are in a situation where such an electoral answer is not quick, then of course in this situation the very form and substance of the answer is not of great importance, that's all i wanted to tell you, that is, if even there journalists or society did not like some answer , then according to the authorities, this is not a problem for them, and it is not.

does it matter if there are no elections, well , it had an effect, so what, we are in the same boat with the government, if the government sinks, we will also sink, in war conditions, if you sink, then the government will also sink, we are on such a titanic, we need him to weave so that it was not the titanic, it was a ship that could overcome a disaster? as soon as we emerge, it will be possible to talk about some electoral issues, but i don't think that this is a quick story, as you understand, well, yes, here we actually see that the attention of society, considering what we have in the country the war is going on, taking into account the fact that in our country there are daily shellings, daily terrorist actions of russia. we observe that

attention to such measures is minimal and not what it is during, at least electoral cycles, i.e. when presidential elections are expected or parliamentary elections are expected, then of course people pay more attention to what the president says, generally a more specific period, andrei, you understand, a more specific period, in the war you captured some territory, captured, it's a fact, ukrainian troops entered suja, it's a fact, russian troops found themselves some kilometers from pokrovsk, it's a fact, a russian missile hit the wreckage somewhere near the territory of the kyiv hydroelectric power station, it's a fact, you see, you can't buy a

train ticket, can you? no, you can hold 45 press conferences, tell how great the railway works, and then you want to buy a ticket, but there is none, and what will the press conference cost you? from the time when people can comfort themselves with illusions, you know, exclusively on the air of our channel. congratulations, friends, the politclub program is on the air on the espresso tv channel. the most relevant topics. nato member countries have huge arsenals, and russia is already on the way to depletion of resources. topics that resonate in our society. this is the question of trump's victory, what is it? analysis of the processes that change the country and each of us. what else can the russians do, are they able to use, say, the resources of the lukashenka army allied with them there? vitaly portnikov and guests of the project read the entire condemnation. accept my singer. thank you, it was difficult.

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