saturday political club, direct ether, we are back, we have one more. an interesting topic,

a topic, i would say, of such a planetary scale, including the scope, the middle east, the ongoing war, israel conducted the largest anti-terrorist raid in the west bank, also israel eliminated one of the commanders of the islamic jihad in the west bank in the context of this anti-terrorist operations, we see that... that in fact, despite all the efforts made by the international community, the war still continues in the middle east, and given that in we don't have much time, mr. vitaly, but if we are talking about this, this anti-terrorist operation, this anti-terrorist raid, how successful it is, how far do you think it is now, after all, the situation in the middle east, the situation in israel. is

explosive and as close as possible to some kind of cease-fire, some kind of agreement, which yes, or rather, which the united states of america would like to promote right now before the elections, well, i don't see any real prerequisites for some kind of peaceful, i would say, peace compromise between israel and hawass, even if we... we are talking about a truce, precisely because this is an election in the united states, and hamas has absolutely no interest in making such gifts to the americans, but what hamas is definitely interested in is opening several fronts with israel, to divert israel from the gas sector. it is absolutely clear that the west bank, in israel it is called judea and samaria according to the ancient biblical tradition, is the same territory in which abbas also has a rather serious influence. we have to remember. what kind of hamasites en masse

voted in the west bank as well, just there the fad party, led by the current head of the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas, won the majority of votes, but hamas was also very popular there, and over the years this popularity only grew, after october 7, 2023, it increased many times , because a large part of the population of the west bank, like a large part of the population of the gas sector, was just delighted with this hamas raid on the... with the hostage-taking and the killing of people, they were just in a frenzy of pleasure, and this has increased the authority of hamas, islamic jihad and other radical groups in this territory, i am not talking about the fact that this territory is also difficult, as we understand, there are constant conflicts between israeli settlers and residents of palestinian cities and towns located in this territory , all of this is absolutely obvious, but israel, i would say, preemptively raided because hamas. obviously, they would like to prepare some kind of

situation that would lead to a real serious conflict already on the west bank of the erd river. you see that the hamasites are constantly trying to act either through hezbollah or through the west bank, iran is very interested in this, and israel literally has to fight back and carry out such preemptive actions to stop its enemies, you know... you thought about this operation on the west bank of the jordan river, and recently there was another intelligence-generating operation in lebanon, remember when israel attacked khbola's positions, attacked their missile depots and thus managed to pre-empt a massive missile attack on israel. this attack took place, their anger was to respond to the destruction of one of their commanders, foad shukr , right in beirut, as it is known, he was eliminated by the israeli special services. accurate shot. but

still, this attack and it is not incomparable to what could have happened if israel had not bombed the arsenals of hezbollah, before this attack, it is such a ... dirty work of the special services of the jewish state, well, exactly like that in the west bank of the jordan river , this is obviously a preemptive operation, an operation that anticipated the possibility of some raids from that territory, the possibility of raids or, in jewish settlements in this area, because now any situation can become really explosive, lead to the opening of new fronts in the middle east, and in principle i do not see now any possibility to ... somehow stop for one simple reason, a lot of power , get interested, yes, yes, but do you remember a month ago, everyone expected an attack from iran on israel, yes, all the mass media there counted 24 hours, 48

​​hours, monday, tuesday, wednesday, friday, it did not happen , but in your opinion, the past has already passed, well, at least 30 calendar days, why did this happen after all , and did iran possibly take such a position in anticipation in order to strike at, you know, even then i did not really understand why everyone was waiting, why everyone was expecting a retaliatory strike, in order to strike a missile arsenal is needed in response, ugh, iran clearly used up its entire missile arsenal during the previous attack on israel, ugh, and to think that it has the same number of missiles in its warehouses, which it can deliver an adequate strike, is also somehow too much.. .uh, uh, well, that's how we expect some blows from russia, and you said at the beginning of our conversation, the kurdish region is the answer, but it is not like that, everything is working, russia actually already depreciated its missiles from warehouses in the first months of the russian-ukrainian war,

do you remember when they were massed bombardments every day throughout the territory, remember, these were missiles from warehouses, and now russia can bomb us only with what it is stockpiling, or what it receives, say, from iran or north korea, well, of course, that there is a special number of such drones if you don't get the situation, then the north korean missiles graze the rear, realistically speaking, well, in such a situation, russia has to fire with what it produces, and in order to paralyze the air defense system, you need a large number of missiles, because if you you will shoot every month with what you have developed, then you will simply be shot down by all the missiles and not a single missile will hit the target, it will all be completely in vain, so russia... collects missiles and then conducts such massive attacks for a couple of days, after that these attacks ends before that moment, until it produces again, assembles again and attacks again, and in principle, if you and i were specialists in the military-industrial complex of russia, and understood how many rockets russia

produces per month, how much it has be used to paralyze at least partially the air defense system of ukraine. you and i could draw up a schedule of russian attacks on ukrainian territory for the next five years, frequency, number, combined attack, what should happen, there should be more drones, there should be more opportunities, yes, thus diverting the attention of air defense, well, the same with iran, well, in order to hit israel, it needs to collect a sufficient number of missiles and drones for a combined strike. moreover, i want to draw your attention, andrei, to a larger number than there was, because the number that was already used to attack israel led to the defeat of iran, none of the missiles hit the target, none, so now there should be two of these missiles times more, relatively speaking, or one and a half, i don't know,

again, i'm not an expert on missile strikes, but if i were a specialist, i would have told him exactly what the number should be and how long it would take to produce them, i assure you that as soon as israel is, iran will have enough... number of arsenals, it will strike israel . and i will tell you one more thing, even if ismail haniyeh tehrani had not been destroyed, this strike would still have happened as soon as iran had enough missiles. just like the russian strike happened without any kursk oblast after russia found enough missiles. that's it a formula for war that everyone should be aware of who is in countries that are engaged in ongoing hostilities. years of this century. mr. vitaly, thank you, thank you to our tv viewers, listeners, viewers on youtube, for watching, for being with us, and,

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the processes taking place in ukraine and the world. vitaly portnikov, khrystyna yatskiv, andriy smoliy and invited experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events. if you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday politics club, every saturday on espresso. greetings, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, today we have a conversation that is worth hearing, we will speak with the president of ukraine viktor andriyevich yushchenko, we congratulate you, i congratulate you, in fact, the full-scale war has been going on for the third year, the war has been going on for the 11th year , which was started by russia, the aggression was started by russia against ukraine, if we speak as of now ukraine. during this period defended its independence, subjectivity, sovereignty, and

the question is only in the return of certain territories, or is the question still precisely in the defense and in the election of both subjectivity and independence? it seems to me that if you make such an excursion for 30, 33 years, then a miracle will happen, i think that not just a lot, but i think most... of people in the world, i would ask them to find ukraine on a map, they would look for some other continent, and today being ukrainian is beautiful, proud, starting from the highest politicians, especially in europe, everyone is paying attention to the fact that this is not just a nation, it is a cool nation that has filled. on principles that are enviable to many, obviously, we ourselves

understand that during almost 300 years of this moscow rule, where everything national, everything identical was excluded from us, we were accustomed to foreign heroes, to foreign culture, to foreign custom, to foreign memory, to someone else's church and so on and so on, that's it. has, but we still raised our heads in 300 years, remembered that we are a nation, that we had one of of the largest states in europe, which was 800 years earlier... no muscovy, in other words, we have mastered this course of national formation so much that from generation to generation we passed on not just this dream, not just this dream, it is like genetics, already it in a spiral and was transmitted to each subsequent generation,

and each subsequent generation had its own leaders, i... many times in polemics, in discussions, here i give an example, during the 20th century, to be more precise, from november 17th to august 91 in the year we proclaimed independence six times, in different places interpretations, six times, and look, carpathian ukraine, one and a half days against... and it was taken from us on the red field. the bandera state lasted almost three days. listen six times. it says a lot that this is a code, this is a nation's code. and so, when we talk today about 33 years of the latest independence, in fact, this is, you know,

our longest national journey in the last 300 years. from the cossack state, from vegovsky, and this in itself is a miracle, and if we remember that in 300 years of statelessness, we were deprived of our rights 171 times to speak the ukrainian language, to have one's own alphabet, to have one's own writing, remember the dream of taras hryhorovych, and we are talking about time. the middle of the last century, taras hryhorovych's biggest dream was to publish a primer in the ukrainian language, everything, you know, it hurts the heart, we only got our primer one and a half hundred years ago, before that we were not

given a liturgy, nor the right to speak our language, nor to wear ... shirt, god forbid, if it sings, ukraine is not dead yet, well , magadan, magadan, and there are white ukrainians bones covered, this whole taiga and tundra, so actually, you know, i am proud of the fact that such torments, in general, i think, most nations would not have survived, and we went through a difficult one. of our formation, we went through a great amnesia, when after the greatest tragedies, we had an eraser in our memory to erase everything, so that neither children nor grandchildren would remember the greatest human tragedies in europe, and in spite of everything, in spite of

everything, you you know, we got to the edge, the edge of this law. and today have become a state that everyone in the world knows, everyone is proud of, me it is striking how, you know, even in europe, there are many examples, political with reference to what a great national work, what a great european work ukraine is doing today, that ukraine is the bulletproof vest of europe, that much of what ukrainians do is not enough in europe who did in fact, the example and the work that we are doing against the greatest evil in the world, against russian fascism, against the greatest chemically pure evil in general, which can be in today's history, is the moscow occupation that ukraine is experiencing today, it has become such a page of universal education

for europe and the world, because when... to think and give an answer in conscience, putin as the world knows it today was actually brought up by western politics, putinization, which accepted, which europe accepted, is a product of the last, well, maybe 17 years there , 15 years, when europe thoughtlessly paid putin 1 billion dollars every day, violating all norms that were adopted and... national and european regarding energy quotas on the regional market, violating everything, bringing 1 billion per day. this is, of course, what led putin to schizophrenia, to recklessness, to the loss of the last parts of the mind, when in fact the world

appears a version of fascism of the 21st century, this is what happened before our eyes, and on the other hand, the feat that our nation is doing today. moreover, the nation that 30 years ago, or rather 35 years ago, when in 1990 there was a vote for the ukrainian parliament, the ukrainian nation cast 239 votes for the moscow bastards, and that was the name of group 239, group 239, a few more months pass , spring, march. in 1991, when the ukrainian nation was asked, you are you even there for a renewed union, why is this independent ukraine for you? more than 70% of ukrainians

say, yes, yes, we are in favor of a renewed union, there are probably 6 more months to reach december, 91% of kurin say no, no, no, no, we are in favor of a sovereign, independent ukraine, it is possible. to analyze politically, how in 12 calendar months, the state of the nation, when the tatars left, voted for evil, because red, red russia, bolshevism, this is a separate breed of moscow slavery, which was established for 73 years in ukraine, the time is coming, and we again a vote... for them, so what's more, excuse me, in 1998, if i'm not mistaken, how many ukrainians voted for the communist party of ukraine in the verkhovna rada of ukraine?

we can formally say that the section of the communist party has been preserved in the ukrainian parliament for the longest time, you won't find them in europe with a magnifying glass, where are those communists? in ukraine, they still reigned and were not just in the parliament, but were the golden card of the parliament, because of... money they were lured to vote for any law, which, who needs 2.5 dozen votes there, but that's it you have to go to the communists, they sell you at every step, well, i mean, what kind of maturation has the ukrainian nation gone through in these 33 years, how are we from that world, which we don’t even want to talk about, which, frankly , we are ashamed to talk about, because you know , to live... in europe and at the beginning of the 20th century to have a terrorist organization of the communist party

of russia in the parliament, and yes, there was never a communist party of ukraine, it was a branch of the russian communist party, because the soviet union is russia, this is not a yes, then generally you you approach what is colossal colossal... what milestones we have passed in these 33 years, i understand how a large part of people can be dissatisfied with something, but in general it can be said that this is a great progress, and if we had this sense of national awareness that we have today, we would was in the 90s, i think we would be where poland is. where lithuania is, even where bulgaria is, even where romania is, we would be in a different class, organization, political system, we

would have other friends, other partners, that is, they would be in a better place far away, in in the best sense of the word. at the same time, you are talking about the fact that in the struggle that we are currently waging against... russia, and i emphasize the word russia, because this is evil russia, it is not only putin, because putin feeds on the same russian swamp, that what is called the russian people is a tool for the legalization of putinism as such, therefore it is impossible to separate this, one negative personality, the absolute evil is putin and... and on the opposite side the institution of nobility is the people of russia, no, no, he gave birth to putin, he gave birth to lenin, he

gave birth to stalin, he gave birth to... all evil, but how to say, i don't want to do a deep analysis of what is being done in russia, in that swamp, but i would like to talk more about ukraine, and when you mention the lessons of our liberation struggles, the lessons taught by our best minds, well, for example, there is taras hryhorovych shevchenko, when he writes this, addressing himself, it seems to me that he stands behind ukrainians even today, and this says: my beloved country is innocent, i have this word innocent , every time it surprises me, where taras hryhorovych got such a deep, accurate and pure word, my beloved country is innocent for... that

the lord punishes you, punishes you severely, for bohdan and for the mad peter. in other words, taras hryhorovych wanted to say: ukrainians, if you want to dig, where is the root of your misfortune, where is it buried? this is russia, or the fifth column that is forming in ukraine, these bohdans, or... mad petros or vladimirs or josephs, no, no, no, no, it is not so important to know, and therefore every national movement that we had, it basically started with one slogan, away from russia, if you want to be happy, stay away from russia, do not argue that there is something cheaper, that there is something bigger, that there is something more accessible, away from... and therefore, when this

picture based on the history of mykola hryhorovych felovoy, who was not allowed to write for years, this ukrainian genius finally reaches without going out, he invites his friends, his sister, tychyna, who was still living in the house, to come to me tomorrow, i will show you how to write, they have come. and this unrealized talent, wait for me a minute, went to another room and shot myself, that is, i i believe that this independence, this sovereignty, this self-awareness, in which we live today, is a fantastically great ukrainian work, it is what later gives such nourishment

to various spheres. and necessarily in the material sphere, in our development, social affluence and others, which may come later, but this is a mandatory phase of the state when we become whole, internally consolidated, and we solve those tasks that maybe two or three hundred stood as a problem before ours, we will talk about the economy, because i will be very... interested in yours opinion, as a person who was once recognized as the best banker in the world, which year it was, it is true, but there was definitely such a story, and i remember, because i lived in those times and already followed the story of you in the position of prime minister minister, it was not easy, of course now is the war, now is probably the most difficult time in the entire period of independence, but before that i would like to ask you as a person who did not just communicate with putin, he came home,

in borscht, in my opinion, even and you said a very good phrase that money made him stupid, that is, material things ceased to exist for him some significance, he obviously decided to go down in history, but i am interested in your opinion on how to stop him, and therefore the whole of russia, and whether there is, whether this understanding reaches world leaders, here is this individual, as the late kozlovsky said, a prisoner and the writer, he said that it is more of an inferna now. the personality of what is putin, of course, i cannot speak neutrally about putin, evil speaks of me, i speak of it as revenge, a reasonable person cannot behave like that in these circumstances, to which he led the country to act, i think that for 25 years ago, he created the most unsuccessful project for russia, how to destroy such a country as russia? and i

am convinced that...