he needs to show that this is really what he started this so-called svo here for, it continues to be carried out, that he continues to act, so to speak, according to the plan, at this very time, at this very time, well kurshchyna can wait, he announced a counter-terrorist operation there, he forgave those who failed to properly protect the border, and this is also not bad, by the way, because we are talking about additional troops, but these additional troops are needed not only to vacate that area. kursk region, which is now under the control of the ukrainian military, and we still need to have them in order to protect the entire perimeter of the border, the belgorod, kursk, and bryansk regions of the russian federation with ukraine. there were no significant troops there until now, right? there were also troops there, which were even equipped with conscripts, who in principle should not serve in the combat zone. so, now it is necessary to approach this situation in a completely different way. this week,

another act of russian terror against our country took place, namely, on august 26, the russians actually inflicted almost the most massive attack, in particular , with various types of missile weapons, unmanned aerial vehicles of the shachet type on the territory of ukraine. this is really one of the biggest hits, hundreds have been applied in a straight line. hundreds of rockets, hundreds of barrage munitions, shahed, and this, of course, all of this, allegedly, if we are talking about the russian information context, was used for the so-called act of retaliation for the kursk region, yes, well, and in particular in the same context, we can also say about the fact that in fact the last three are there you... for at least four weeks,

the de facto russians have been carrying out constant, daily terror, in particular, in the capital of ukraine, kyiv, as well as in neighboring regions, with shaheds, well, in particular, the current night was no exception. mr. vitaly, in this context, is this a pre-planned energy terror, or is this really such an answer, an attempt to divert the attention of russian society. from the failure of kursk, yes, and in your opinion, should we expect a continuation of such terror in the next few months, at least increased terror for certain political stabilization of putin's ratings. well, you know, i don't think at all that this is intended for russian society, and that russian society is somehow very worried about this kurdish. secondly, i

believe that all these conversations about revenge, they do not take place in the russian context, maybe there are some telegram channels or some propagandists talking about it, in ukrainian, it is from some ukrainians, i hear that it is a popsta for kurshchyna , and i believe that this is an absolutely planned logical policy that has been going on for a long time, i would say, with the moment when putin became convinced that he would not be able to occupy the entire territory of ukraine. it seems to me that yesterday or the day before yesterday we spoke with the famous tv presenter yevhen kiselov, he even told me the date, which in his opinion was the beginning of such terror, it seems to be november 2022, do you remember such a mass attack on ki so, well, november 6 it was or what number, if i'm not mistaken, it was october 10, 20, because by that time putin had such an idea. that he would capture all this

territory, and then the question arose, why to destroy all the infrastructure that he would need, and around october he realized that this territory really could not be captured, that the russian army did not have such forces, and therefore a decision was made then, which is being implemented, that it is necessary to turn ukraine into an energy the desert this idea, it is absolutely correct, if you look at the logic of the aggressor, because it persecutes. several goals, the first goal is to induce ukraine to capitulate, that is, ukrainians must understand that they cannot survive a war with russia the federation, if they just want to survive, not about victory, but about defeat, about the ordinary survival of ordinary people, must surrender to the metropolis, otherwise it will destroy everything here, and in ten years it will not be restored, simple logic: once, twice, if even it will not be possible to force ukraine to capitulate, her punishment should be exemplary

for all other former soviet republics, that there is no need to contact russia, here ukraine tried to resist russia. russia did not succeed in conquering it, but it simply conquered it destroyed, absolutely known, so to speak, the method of many empires, not even in the middle ages, i would say, in antiquity everything was like that, carthage must be destroyed, this is exactly how putin treats ukraine, it simply must be destroyed sooner or later, and there's no price he won't pay for that ultimate destruction, so this attack, it absolutely fits into that logic, that second point is very important. because in this case all the other territories to which it claims will then be much more ready to make concessions when russia offers them these or those integration proposals, this is the second such moment, the third moment is also very important, this is,

as you understand, a demographic moment, russia in principle, even if it does not succeed in capturing ukraine, would like to... radically reduce the population here, because ukraine throughout the existence of both the russian empire and the soviet union, the ukrainian people were, relatively speaking, the only geopolitical competitor of the russian people. the number of ukrainians has always been a large number, it was a large nation that could be reckoned with and needed it was not necessary to reckon with other peoples of the empire, and it was not the second largest such nation, not even in russia. there was no empire, not even in the soviet union, we talk a lot about the resistance of the baltic peoples, about the georgian resistance, about the chechen opera, but these are all tiny nations, a couple of million to a million people. estonians are a nation that does not have a million. yes, it was a struggle, but this

struggle was always in the context of a weakened empire, because otherwise the estonians could count on their just everyone will be saved from estonia, the way it was. after the war with the crimean tatars, with the chechens, with the ingush, as was the case during the war with the germans of the voluga region, as was the case with the kalmyks, small nations cannot do anything against a large empire, no resistance helps, they can simply put the whole people in wagons and take them somewhere else, and this has happened many times in the history of the russian empire, population replacement, you can't do it that easily with ukrainians. you can't take 40 million and drive it out like that in one fell swoop and no and no you will take it out and not destroy it, you understand, we are talking about the holodomor and the final solution to the jewish question before and during world

war ii, but the numbers there, relatively speaking, are millions of people, not tens of millions, even technologically , i apologize for the cynicism, it is very difficult to destroy 40 million people at once. as , let's say, the nazis did to the jews, it means that such a people must be reduced, you and i already understand that ukraine, which was there before the war in the 40s, has a population of 35-40 million, now it is probably there 28-30 million people live on the territory of ukraine, if this story with the energy collapse is properly conducted, a large number of people will be forced to leave, and you were talking about kyiv. do you remember yesterday's barbaric bombing of kharkiv? it's the same story. that is, the population must relocate, it was threatened, to relocate from the east and south, in the center to the west, and from the center and west to the borders

of ukraine. and if even the russian army fails to establish complete control over this territory, then at the end of the war, if here will be in... relatively speaking, not 40 million people, but 15. the country, which was demographically the size of germany, will turn into a country the size of slovakia. this will be a great victory for the putinites. they want that. and that is precisely why a long war is beneficial to them, because this long war objectively reduces the number of the ukrainian population, even if you imagine that you will not kill everyone, a large number of the population will be displaced outside the borders of ukraine, many will not... will return, many after the end of the war, of course, will go to families, this is a demographic war, we should never forget that, and a plus, mr. vitaly, the creation of this ephemeral buffer zone that putin dreams of, yes, they are trying to create it in the north of our country,

you mentioned kharkiv, absolutely correct, the same can be said about sumy oblast, which is just every day, i don't believe in anything. i believe that if they seize something there, they will be able to dig in somewhere in kharkiv oblast, in sumy oblast, i hope that they will not succeed, they will hold a referendum there in three months, announce the accession to... dependent the states of the kharkiv region to the russian federation will demand that the ukrainian troops withdraw from the entire territory of the kharkiv region, as they are now demanding that the ukrainian troops withdraw from the territory of the kherson or zaporizhia regions, and will already create a buffer zone for these regions in other regions of ukraine. this is the politics of salami, we can talk about the buffer zone in the kurdish region, because we, unlike russia, respect international law, and we are not going to add anything. what, a in russia, as you understand, the issue of international law is very conditional, it destroyed it a long time ago, and that is why all this talk about the buffer

zone, it is just preparation for a new annexation, it is just this way to justify what we are doing there, a buffer zone, and what , and you remember that in donbas they generally said that they are not there, and by the way, many people agreed with this, both in the west and in ukraine, for reasons i do not understand, they called these figures of the dpr, lpr, the so-called by separatists, although this is bullshit. so all these are different receivers gabis, there is the people's republic, there is a buffer zone, then we wake up one fine day, there is a referendum in the kharkiv region, why are they trying so hard to climb into vovchansk or storm kupiang, so that they have some center, where are they from, they could hold a referendum and claim kharkiv, because they hope that if they can annex at least part of the kharkiv region, they will later force ukraine to withdraw from all those regions that they annexed, this is their calculation. to the international context

of our policy and support for ukraine, here i would like to mention that our country is asking individual states, including nato countries , to provide the opportunity to use their weapons, at least pointwise on the territory of russia, deep into the territory of russia, in particular, this also applies to... the offensive in the kursk region of russia, in particular, the high representative of the european union for foreign policy, joseph borel, he stated that ukraine should obtain the permission of each country to use such weapons, we see that some countries are ready to grant such permission, some, unfortunately, such as italy, are not ready, we see statements , including the president of the czech republic. which says that ukraine should be given permission to actually

strike targets with such weapons on the sovereign territory of russia, and in this context, even after ukraine has demonstrated success in the kurdish region, even after russia continues its daily terror , we see that some states still doubt. whether to give ukraine such an opportunity, and we see that ours still has such doubts the main ally in the united states of america. it would seem as if all the red lines have already been crossed, and it would be worthwhile to help ukraine in this matter, but there is still no unanimity. will she be, mr. vitaly, and that even now, even today, on the last day of summer. 2024 prevents our key allies from making such

a fateful decision for our armed forces. well , it is clear that the fear of nuclear war, this fear is not going anywhere and will not go anywhere, but it seems to me that it will be overcome little by little, because what was the concept, we are about it was also repeatedly said, what was the concept of the russians and the west. in the first period of this war. the russians have demonstrated that they are ready to take any desperate steps, they have been scaring the west with nuclear terror since the first day of this great war, and the west has always believed that if it helps ukraine, so to speak, to stop putin, sooner or later putin will realize that he has no opportunity to seize. all of ukraine, that his entire history has collapsed, and he

will thus be forced to go to some negotiations, if not about the end, then the suspension of this terrible war, but, as i said, 2 and a half years have already passed, there are no intentions on putin's part that he understood something, instead, putin himself is constantly moving the red lines. i would say that the offensive of ukrainian troops in the kurdish region of the russian federation is one of the first examples when we moved the red lines, not putin. and that is why it shocked the russian kermanych so much, because he is used to the fact that he himself moves the red lines, everyone else only reacts to it. so the approach is simple have to now also move red lines for the simple reason that he needs putin to stop, and they may

believe that if they, say, give permission to ukraine to use western weapons, i think that politicians like jose borel did not say. about it simply as if they did not realize that there are serious discussions about this at a high level in the west, of course, in such a situation, this also needs to be understood, the west would somehow not simply announce such discussions, so there are discussions, maybe some western states will begin to allow ukraine to use its... weapons of war, maybe with the exception of, say, the united states, maybe with the exception of nuclear states, some form will be found, it can be all of them, maybe f-16 aircraft, which will be supplied by non-americans, will be allowed before entering the airspace of the russian federation at a long distance, all

this can happen over time, again, it must be understood that all this will happen over time. sometimes, these are only the first years of the war, the first, it can happen in the fourth, fifth, sixth year, in our interests, so that it happened faster, because the faster it happens, the faster the prospect will arise that in the coming years the parties will come closer to the need for at least a truce, at least a humanitarian truce, at least such agreements that will allow us to preserve part of the energy, such agreements i don’t see 2020. fourth, 2025, but maybe on the 26th-27th such opportunities will arise, but for this you need to move these red lines, but the west will still move them in such a way as not to give the russian federation the opportunity to use a tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, because the west does not know exactly how to react in such a situation, and in order for this to happen, so to speak,

systematically. russians understand what the west is afraid of when sergey lavrov. says that the americans should not think that a nuclear war will take place exclusively in europe, that it will necessarily affect america as well, this means that the russians are also beginning to move the red lines on their side, because earlier, when we talked about the danger of a nuclear war, even the war between the russian federation and the united states was believed to that the russian federation can attack american military facilities. europe, both with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, maybe even with the use of strategic nuclear weapons, but we are talking about american bases on the european continent. now the head of the russian foreign policy department makes it clear to the americans that strategic nuclear strikes can be directed into the heart of america, turning its

cities and military facilities into incinerators. of course, these are absolutely fantastic, utopian words. but put yourself in the shoes of the president of the united states states, the united states secretary of state, the united states secretary of defense, who are forced to consider such a possibility. well, that means that russian blackmail is working one way or another, and that means that the americans are quite careful, because they have on one side, i would say, on one side, on one side of ensuring international law, the survival of ukraine as a sovereign state, we are now even we do not talk to you about recovery. territorial integrity, simply about the survival of ukraine and the ukrainian people in those territories where ukrainians have always lived. this, i would say, today is even a more urgent task than any other, because now it is not about the territorial integrity of this recovery, but about whether there will be ukraine or not, and whether ukrainians will be there, say, on of the early 30s, to be here at all, it is clear, so that it becomes clear

what we are fighting for, not for the fact that we entered donetsk yalta, but for the fact that in lviv or in uzhgorod, at all, we still remain. the memory of ukrainians is what putin wants, completely different tasks in russia and ukraine in this war. so, on one side, on one side, on one side, this situation, the preservation of ukrainian statehood, on the other side, the possibility of a real nuclear war with russian strikes on america, and someone will say: listen, they are not crazy, to do this, we, they understand that we will be able to answer them, well, we will be able to. it will be easier for us if we answer them, if, say, there is not only half of new york, but also half of moscow, what will we get out of it? well, this is the question that any thoughtful politician asks. tim more, let's remember that the value of human life in the united states and in europe is many times higher than in the post-soviet space, and even for politicians, not only for

society, but also for politicians, it has always been so, that is why the second world war was won precisely due to the fact that the value of human life in the soviet union was zero, and therefore the allies could calmly watch as joseph stalin and his marshals, marshals of victory, were actually marshals of death. they litter the reich with the corpses of their compatriots, and that's all, this is also necessary to understand where they come from, about the american context, i will remind you that , after all, there are elections in the united states of america and two candidates are competing there, kamala harris and donald trump. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy, said that he would hand over to both teams. candidates to candidates plan for the victory of ukraine. on the other hand, trump said that he does not like the ukrainian offensive in the kursk

region of russia. he says it could lead to world war iii. well, trump is here, as they say, absolutely in his role, nothing there is nothing strange about such statements from him, but kamala harris, the current vice president of the usa, gave the first... extensive interview, and in this first extensive interview she did not mention ukraine. mr. vitaly, you and i have repeatedly talked for many months about the fact that ukraine is not the main topic of the election campaign in the united states of america. but, despite this, for example, trump mentions ukraine, well, if not at every rally, then at least much more often. than a female democratic candidate, and very often if we talking about these statements, he mentions, well, in such a not too positive connotation for us, how do you

evaluate these, these two actions of the candidates, trump's statement that he does not like such actions of ukraine, and with silence or silence on the part of haris, all the same. .. of the ongoing war in ukraine, is she doing the right thing and why does trump continue to do so? well, kamela harris, like any seasoned politician, works with technology, and she clearly understands what topics are important to the american audience, her main task now is to win the election of the president of the united states, to stop donald trump, and that is not an easy task, given the way the situation in general has developed in the... uh, the united states with this election campaign and with the way that president joe biden left and so on. i have no doubt that when, if kamela halis

wins the presidential election in the united states, she will be a continuation of biden's policies. perhaps ukraine will not occupy such a place in her own political program, as ukraine occupied a place in biden's program, because ukraine was personally important to biden. as you know, he was involved in ukraine back in the days when he was the vice president of the united... states in the administration of barack obama, i am not talking about his many years of career, which was connected with this, i would say, rivalry with dictatorships, since the yugoslav war, when senator biden was one of the supporters of american weapons being supplied to bosnia and herzegovina, that bosnia and herzegovina could resist belgrade, so it's part of the political for him, i would say, visionaries kamela harris has made a completely different political career, and she ... now focuses primarily on domestic political issues once, and then she very much needs to climb, so to speak, showing on the one hand support for israel,

and on the other hand, not scaring off those radical anti-israel democratic voters who believe israel's response to the kamas bandit raid last october 7 was excessive, and that was the theme of the kamela harris interview we saw in the first interview. such a big interview together with the vice-presidential candidate, as for donald trump, i wouldn't say that he mentions ukraine, andriy, i said that he mentions russia, for him ukraine was, is and will be, only this, i would say, is an unpleasant barrier to improving relations with russia and establishing close personal relations with putin, and by the way, just today, it seems to me at a rally in pennsylvania. if i 'm not mistaken, i even watched it literally before our broadcast, that's me. i will tell you this,

where, where, where was this rally, yes, in pennsylvania, there was this, this was another rally, and here i will quote trump's latest for you, people say, oh, trump was good to russia, no, i was not good to russia, but you know, being friends with russia is good, it's right, and conflict with them is bad, here is trump's statement, being friends with russia is good, not bad. this is reasonable, remember this, and what prevents us from being friends with russia, ukraine, that's why trump doesn't mention ukraine, he mentions russia, people like putin, like kim jong-un, always caused him sincere admiration, but said the volume of their powers, maybe that's what trump would dream of if he wasn't born in a democratic country, but i don't know what

he really dreamed of. i'm just saying that what is important in this case is not the plan that zelensky will propose, we already have a peace formula, we can have a plan for victory, again, first of all, we need to define what victory is in the conditions in which we are now we are, because we have a victory to restore territorial integrity - a fact, we have a victory not to surrender any more territories - a fact, we have a victory - it is to hold on to those territories of russia, which we now have under control, the fact is, we have won. not to freeze in the winter and not to lose a few million more people who can leave here, the fact is many victories, let's focus on some tactical for the beginning to achieve a strategic wash, uh, mr. vitaly, a few minutes and we will return to talking to you , we're on a short break, now on espresso tv, and we'll be back with

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