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, 100,000, but, you know, any road begins with the first step, so it is not far from the first step for us, but we welcome everyone who donates it for the for us to buy for the special operations forces, for the third regiment, drones and a charging station for reconnaissance, these guys are standing by the temporary ravine in donetsk region, and if we collect 800, 9,000 uah, if you join the donation, uh, and be vigilant observe the props that you see on the screen now, then we will collect it and beating the muscovites will be much more effective, and it seems to me, well, this is the wish of all conscious and normal ukrainians, it seems to me, well, now, as i promised, we will talk a little with an international accent on... we look at ukraine. oleksandr kraev,

expert of the foreign policy council, ukrainian prism. good health, mr. oleksandr. thank you for joining us. yes. i have a question for you. i very often ask questions about feelings, because it is obvious that you and i are not involved, we are not involved in secret negotiations pentagon. but the feeling can be relied on at least somehow. well, that's it, he left. died, the head of the president's office left, they went to america to persuade the americans to give weapons so that they would fly away, since you and the targets seem to have been determined by us, that is, the ukrainian side has already shown these targets to the americans, allies, then tell us which do you feel that they will give such an opportunity, maybe at least in some areas abroad, on the eastern borders of ukraine? i have the impression that

we made everything depend on us, that is, us really showed, first of all, that the red lines of the muscovites are a non-existent political chimera, and it was precisely the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in the kurt region that perfectly demonstrated that the russians will not react as they promise, let me remind you, they constantly promise us nuclear armageddon and that , that the first targets are washington, london, paris, and despite all this, they say, the apocalypse will come, but as we can see, the apocalypse has not yet come, that is, from this point. we proved to our american partners that such a scenario is impossible, it first, secondly, we play with them completely openly, that is, despite the fact that there was information in the media that allegedly we did not share all the information regarding the operation in the kursk region, despite the fact that there were statements that allegedly ukraine kept everything a secret, after all, the americans themselves confirmed that a few weeks before the start of this operation, they had information that it would happen and that they were aware of what and how it would happen. that's why we

do everything right here, we play open, and now, like you they said correctly, they even provided the whole list, but this is an external component, i think we are losing sight of the internal component, we have a debate on september 10, we have an election on november 6, but imagine now the biden administration, in which one of the candidates, namely kamala harris is still the vice president, she gives us permission to strike deep and something unexpected happens, but it just calls into question her entire foreign policy, her entire foreign policy agenda. therefore, my opinion is that at least until the debates, and certainly before the elections on november 6, the biden administration will not take such drastic steps as allowing us to strike deep into the territory of russia, they will still wait for november-december, when it will not be called into question and, in fact, will not put the haris company under attack. then even before this, with this company of this ms. harris, will she win the election, because first the democrats are about to... fail

all the key states, i will remind them all, and then it is as if she won in all seven states, if, well, sociologists say , which wins now at this moment. and what will happen in a month, as for yours opinion, how can this debate be reflected, by the way, they say that this is not a strong side, ms. kharisu, this is debating, i don’t know, i don’t know, i don’t know, you have my word, in fact, there is experience in such a direct confrontation, i would say, in such a direct she really did not have many battles with political opponents, well, her position was such that she could not particularly gain such experience, but let's remember with you that now... the rules for holding debates are completely different, compared to 16-20 -th year, it is meant, now the moderators have almost absolute control over the microphone, they have very clear control over the speaking time of the candidates, they clearly monitor that everyone has no more than one and a half to two minutes to

make a statement on a specific topic, that is, these debates are as structured as possible, these are the debates where you don't have a lot time to lash out at each other with offensive words or harsh statements, where you really... you need to speak very quickly and relatively succinctly about the key positions of your campaign, the key positions of your strategy, because now the debate is not conducted for an ordinary voter, that is, the republicans will vote for trump anyway, the democrats will vote for hariisa, it is already clear at this stage, the debate is conducted for an independent voter, and an independent voter, as the last 40 years in the principle of american politics show, him, excuse me, sneeze at whoever shouts the loudest, or makes the most beautiful speeches, they are interested in knowing what your economic strategy is, what your migrant strategy is, what your foreign policy strategy is, and precisely because, as i said, firstly, the debates now have a different format, and secondly, the debates are conducted for a completely different

audience, this is exactly what gives harris a chance to pass trump, despite the lack of experience, there are too many circumstances that favor exactly her in this debate, and ... about the so-called independent voter, i would like to ask you this, look, there is such a version, a version, yes, it is not very common in america, that trump will turn, because he is a good actor, into such a gallant gentleman that he is under debate time will bring flowers, will flattering, will give some very nice compliments, will be just perfect, like , first of all, do you believe that trump is capable of this, can he turn from a jerk into such a gentleman, and on the other hand, how can it affect an independent voter, he will see and fall in love with that trump, and he will say, i will only vote for him,

if he turns out to be such a gentleman, what do you say, you know, the version is very interesting, but personally i have very little hope, i would rather call it's the hope that... will actually go into this debate with that approach, well first of all, he will simply, relatively speaking, betray himself, he will simply not be the one for whom his own trumpists are ready to vote, he will not be the wrong person, the wrong politician who won in the 16th year and who had almost 50% of support in the 20th year, that is, he essentially called into question his entire political image, for the sake of one debate, to take such steps, well, frankly, he had more important political events. in the last 10 years of his political career to change his approach, but even then he did not changed and remained trump. basically, the reason trump became a political star, the reason he became a celebrity, is because he 's committed to himself first, he's committed to his own style, he's committed to his own approach, and i don't

think that's going to be the choice that he really is. will do but the last few weeks of his activity on true social and his activity on interviews have shown that he is , on the contrary, becoming even tougher. he becomes even more persistent and decisive in his rhetoric, that is, he becomes a more militant trump, he does not go for reconciliation, he does not go to some gentlemanly, as you rightly said, steps, so it seems to me that this is not the strategy that trump will choose, and even though, as you rightly say, many people around him are saying that he needs to change his own approach, he needs to rethink his work methods a bit, i don't think trump will do that. well , yes, there is logic in your words. that is, having found those who waver, he can easily lose those who do not waver, precisely for him, and this is if, well, this is not a very profitable, not very profitable moment. now one more question about i have europe for you: well, i still don't

understand, nato officials have already said that, that each country decides for itself whether to give weapons, allow, shoot, where to allow, where not to allow. well, we know that, for example, the netherlands and denmark say that there, let the ukrainians shoot wherever they want, while italy, well, hungary , of course, say that they should not shoot anywhere at all, well, hungary at least. will give weapons, but italy will give weapons, and hungary will not give weapons, then we can now say how many countries are ready to both give weapons and give permission, and how many countries are ready to give weapons, but you can’t shoot, then the weapons don’t matter, the truth is unknown, but that’s another question, you know, it’s one of those legal collisions that, in fact, will constantly accompany us now, even with the transfer of -16s, simply developing your opinion, we faced a completely different question, because the f16s

were handed over to us from the belgians and from denmark, first of all, the f-16s, which are on the balance of denmark and belgium, but at the same time produced in the usa, in which sit ukrainian pilots who launch of them are british and french missiles on russian territory, and you know, in this program we pay attention to the following important questions: so who is ultimately to blame for the fact that this missile will hit the oil base there or will hit... the area where russian troops are concentrated, those , who provided the missiles, those who provided the airplanes, those who produced the airplanes or the missiles, or those who launched them, that is, this is one of those huge legal questions, questions for international lawyers that we cannot solve yet, but answering your question, who is ready to give us weapons and ready at the same time to give permission, we can say with confidence that almost all of northern europe, because from denmark to finland, all these countries have clearly said that... they do give, continue to give weapons and give permission to use them, the absolute majority countries

of central europe, of course, with the exception of hungary, we see the position of britain, it is quite shaky, that is, although they say that stormshadow cannot be used yet, but we see that they approach it differently, they are looking options, how to make this permission to the maximum safe for yourself, that is, it is not a final no, it is a no with the possibility of transition to yes. there are the french, who have already clearly said that yes, we can grant such permission, we just need to determine the list of weapons, the list of targets, there are americans, with whom it is very difficult, but as you can see, the work is going on, as you and i said at the beginning, the result can be expected, so the vast majority of our key allies, they have either already said yes, or they may be convinced, maybe this is the last question, but we still have one and a half to two minutes, look, and if you don't ask, because... there is such a thing, there is such a diplomatic version, even that when you don't ask, you don't risk the answer no, and give and

give free rein to someone you didn't ask, and we didn't know, but well, and you can even say, ah , these bastards, bastards, why didn't they ask us, we are outraged, if this happens again, we will just do something very bad, and that's all, and meanwhile half of moscow is gone, half of moscow is gone. in fact, such an option is also available, such an option is also possible, it's just that the question is whether we are ready in the midst of the need for supplies weapons, are we ready in the middle of a situation when we need as quickly as possible, as many weapons as possible, are we ready at this moment to argue diplomatically with our partners, especially considering the fact that both the russians and the chinese and many of our other opponents at this moment a certain difference will definitely be used on their side, that is... we said at the beginning that one of our possible tools to influence the americans is to play as openly as possible,

that is, to say what and how we will impress, without naming the exact date, of course hit, accurate for sure the exact place, but still play open, maybe here too, you need to, you know, apply a combined option, not just ask and let us hit, but face the fact, they say, sorry, the whole rocket is sorry, it’s already flying, sorry, that is, not that . which is simple, but we did so without asking, but we will face the fact: sorry, near the chernihiv region, for example, there is a concentration of katsap troops, we have to destroy them, and we have the right to do so according to international law, and so it happened that we have your missiles, we will apply them, thank you very much, oleksandr krayev, expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prism, was with us, thank you, once again, i inform you that in half an hour they collected 400... hryvnias, which i like very much, i repeat

that the front needs them, no we don't need september, we don't need september at all, when there is a front, funds for drones and a charging station for reconnaissance of the third regiment of special operations forces, which is located precisely in the area of ​​chasovoy yar, in donetsk region. uavs will help to improve the performance of tasks, save the lives of defenders, destroy. more katseps, yours donate, this will effectively increase everything, our goal is uah 890,000, please join, you can see the details on... and now we move on to what everyone is talking about, although i am very angry that everyone is talking about it, well but we need to talk then, if everyone is talking, we will talk with mr. oleksandr hlushchenko, an expert in telecommunications, and

we will talk about telegram, about pavel durov and so on and so forth and the like. good health. mr. alexander, we have a lot of alexanders today, it's nice, you can mention the wish, let it burn, look, i'll say right away, i'm completely ignorant, i don't have any networks, i don't understand anything, but what i understand, what i see, it's a little surprising to me, and in russia they are discussing telegram good, bad, and in ukraine they will discuss the telegram, good, bad, and some of the deputies are of a more, i would say, patriotic orientation, they say, let's defend... let's defend, and all this is clear, i have no questions, especially since i don't have a telegram, i i don't know what a telegram channel is, but i have a question for you, and how is it so it turned out that they are criticized and used, if i like white bread, and i don't like black bread, then i don't buy black bread and i don't eat it, and in

our country it turns out that the whole country, ministers, deputy ministers, 2/3, 3/4 of the deputies, the entire administration of the president, everyone has telegrams and everyone says, ay-yay-yay, what is this with us from telegram, fools, is he good or bad, is he a poo or is he a bitch, and you can explain it, this obviously a philosophical question, not an applied one, sorry, but i'm sure you 've thought about it once or twice or more than a dozen times, either please, well, in fact, i registered in telegram many years ago, i think it was 11 years ago, and... and i only had one contact there, the same technofreak who just decided to check what it is, at the moment telegram is not messenger, it is already a whole platform that combines the capabilities of a social network, which combines the capabilities of a large multimedia platform,

when we have contacts of people with whom we communicate, when we have conventional... mini media that we read, or which we create, and the telegram itself has always been there comfortable with the fact that there was never any censorship in it, no, no support, no support, it was possible to do everything, that is, everything we wanted, and we did not get anything for it, because of this side effect that in this messenger, which became a large social network, anonymous channels appeared through which it was possible. to receive any information, non-anonymous channels appeared, it became convenient from a technological point of view, such a comfortable, fast way of obtaining information, and the question is how we use this information as a platform uses our data and who has access to our

personal data, in which third parties have access, and there are a lot of questions for... mr. durov, i don't know how the evening at home will be in french, probably somewhere there, i don't know, i don't know the french language, but in europe, in the european union and in france, in themida of france, yes, there are a lot of questions to the communities to the citizen of france, because in western europe telegram, it is a kind of darknet, it is... a conditional messenger, in which has no regulation, in which the laws do not work, due to who buys and sells everything that is prohibited by law, and probably the representatives of the french themis were so excited in relation to their citizen that they warned him that there was no need to break the laws, that there should be some dialogue, he, in the style of a typical

russian, decided that and it will turn out that way, because telegram... developed according to the same algorithms as vkontakte, yes vkontakte was stolen from facebook, but in order for it to develop and spread, what has to be given, piracy must be given, piracy must be given content, and then users will come in, because there is a situation similar to that of the strict orthodox with telegram, everything was possible in telegram, there are no laws, there are no rules, there is no moderation, even if you are insulted, you have nothing to complain about, there is not even support, no one knows where the office of this wonderful organization is located, where you can just ring the doorbell and they will open the door for you, and sooner or later... it had to end, because you can't be a big technology platform, proud of what have you collected almost a billion users, and so that the big

powers don't, don't hint to you that you need to live by some rules, nobody needs this anarchy, listen, i have a question for you, and it's somehow possible in principle ... theoretically, practically, i see can't be adjusted, because it's just modernity, well, we have an action, if you steal something in action, you also get addresses, turnouts, lists and passwords and so on, that is, the world is going to such, such a situation of transparency, when you, if you if you want to communicate more, then one way or another you put yourself under threat, what about you will know everything, and... in this way, so what, that this is a fight against there is no threat, the users themselves, share their own, this is me, i started with this, that we should close

telegram, say those people in which there are plenty of different channels and communication possibilities in telegram, so why are you hitting yourself on the head, it turns out, the world can regulate it, mr. oleksandr, all the big platforms, they regulate. in the european union, there in the states, in canada, even malaysia and indonesia and those who do not shy away from fining mark ivanovich zuckerberg and his purpose, i don't know why ukrainian officials are like that, forgive me for my bad french, but today we are talking about the french, they are so afraid to have a dialogue with large corporations, and to subtly hint to them that it would not prevent you to live by our rules as well, right now is happening... an incident when the european union, france, are explaining to pavel durov in direct language that if you are a citizen of france, you have rights and

responsibilities, we wanted to talk to you so that your child, where are you manager, corresponded to at least a primitive simple rules, at least somehow regulated, and here arises, you know, such a problematic question for durov, because in one of the propaganda programs... someone said that durov is the minister of military communications of the russian federation, and even now, when he was detained by the french gendarmes, there was a commotion in the swamps, because all these propagandists who were there, had some correspondence, had some contacts, some agent network, they are all very concerned that this does not become some kind of gain. special services of other countries, because there are guesses that certain, let's say, data had access to my comrades, a comrade-colonel,

let's call him that from the fsb, now the comrade -colonel is concerned that some gendarme august or hercule poirot, french, has access to it, and in the marshes, who has access to information, that governs this world. do we know for sure that the ukrainian special services do not use it, and the russian special services do, they use this and that, i will say a very unpopular thing, yes, maybe i will be criticized, but it is accepted all over the world that the military has its own connection, and that's it. .. that's it the device, especially where hostilities are taking place, where, in theory , third parties have the possibility to access it, it should not be in their hands, but in the post-soviet

space we did not have military communications, they took money in the swamps and how always, according to the old russian tradition, they stole and spent it on the wrong thing, a military claim did not appear, because of this they are used in most cases. different kinds of messengers, but the phone itself, yes, closer to zero, it carries certain threats because it lights up, it has radio emissions, it can be intercepted, there are drones flying with conditional base stations that peel everything down below, not only that, there are many merged databases, and if... the drone intercepts certain phones, exchanges data with them, and asks them , which number, and this number, conditionally speaking, transmits, then it is checked, then the conditional,

occupiers... can see below that among the dozens of users there are some very interesting users who are of interest to them, but these may be isolated cases, but they can be, therefore there must be in the country military communication, and we shouldn't talk about that platform messengers at all, i have a question right here, mr. glushchenko, and how easy is it to do, and here it is, is it easy... to do, it can be done, it can be done quickly , this, it must be started from scratch, well , because we are ukraine, if it were america, well , first of all, they would start thinking in advance, well, we are so-so, i imagine so-so, although not a fact, or because there is intelligence enough, or china, because there is enough cash, or japan, because there is enough technology, well in short, but to ukraine, tomorrow the commander-in-chief says, let's do it,

he has summoned the best of you. experts and they say that we already have ready estimates, how much they cost, where it is possible, and when it will be given to at least every officer, given, as you showed, such a thing, where it will be written made in ukraine, for example, yes, and it will be on and and everything that is inside, it will be such that the kamar, that is, as there is a katsap, the nose will not run, so, i think that if we create some kind of ministry of military communication or agent'. military communication, then everything will probably stop somewhere on this, i'm just kidding, excuse me, today is september 1, but in fact it was necessary to think about it in advance and use the available resources that are available, the only big problem that ukraine has, we don't have our own satellite, we don't have our own grouping of satellites of different kinds. orbits so

that we use our own closed communication channels, which are under our control only. currently , from the point of view of the military, we use satellite groups of other countries, and that one satellite, well, ukraine actually missed one satellite position, not without the help of our northern neighbor, our geostationary satellite, which ukraine was supposed to launch 10 years ago, is currently lying down. in the city of krasnoyarsk, in angara, in hostages, that's why we started to create a state military communications agency and that's where it all ended. oh, my god, i was escorting kadenyuk, i was fooled, i thought ukraine is a space state, maybe for some satellite, there will be money somewhere, it turns out that he is, he was, he is lying in a hangar, maybe

called, and what? well , it happened historically that people who, uh, well, they, russia wants us to depend on them, so part of the satellite was, ah, european parts, the body is, relatively speaking, russian, it has to be launched was zbaikanur, but the question is different: we had a very cool point that the international telecommunication union gave us for our geostationary satellite, if now there... our ukrainian satellite was hanging, we would simply extinguish in the european part of russia and all their propaganda television, and the russians knew this, calculated in advance, alarmists, because of this with the help of a certain system of motivation there, as it is called, retrobonuses, they corrupted officials, our satellite, there were scandals with money, we always, as per the old ukrainian tradition, took some money on credit , this loan

was slowly... given, something was being built there, in the end the satellite was built, it remained in russia, it started, its launch was postponed there several times, 2014 began and it became clear that the occupying country, which annexed crimea, already has ours the satellite will not give, but ukrainian officials, in principle, especially in the last 10 years, did not say that our satellite is there, they did not say in the international telecommunication union that, look, we have such a problem, our satellite is being held hostage in russia, in the swamps of... . lies in there khrunicheva, a wonderful russian family, a company in angar, we have a point in the sky, let's somehow protect it. thank you, it's still cold in the krasnoyarsk territory, i'm sorry that our ukrainian companion, who is used to the warm atmosphere here, got cold. thank you very much, oleksandrchenko, an expert, i'm sorry, from telecommunications was with us, he told a lot of interesting things, i

didn't even know that such a thing existed. but i firmly know that first the program.