the fact that putin absolutely does not care about the same international law, about recognized conventions, about decisions of international courts, etc. mr. vitaly, here is this voyage, this action of putin, it really pushes, in fact, to such thoughts, yes, that putin wants to demonstrate in this way. its indifference and in fact the impotence of international law, as far as i understand, well, you know, even in the first days after the arrest warrant for vladimir putin and the commissioner for human rights of the russian federation maria lviv and pilova, many said that putin was incredibly scared, that now he will be isolated, that he will not be able to go anywhere, and where he will be arrested and where he will not be arrested. and

for me, these were such childish conversations, because from a political point of view, of course , this order is important, but you just have to be aware of putin's psychology. the main thing for putin is to destroy international law, and he is looking for reasons to destroy international law and to show that he is above international law. and here is such an excuse in the form of this arrest warrant, he really gave him the opportunity to act like that, because you remember that there were incredibly unhappy people in moscow. when, say, the then yugoslavia extradited its former dictator slobodan milosevic to the hague tribunal. and this, and then, that is, when the councils of vankaradzhit and radkomladich were extradited, eventually found by the law enforcement system, it was all serious, i would say, such a blow to russia's idea of ​​the sovereignty of the country, which it supports, but russia itself she...

of course has to show that she's above the court, that absolutely obvious thing, and putin began to look for opportunities, i would say to spit in the face of the judges of the international criminal court, literally from the first weeks after receiving this order. remember, he wanted to go to the brics summit in 2023 to the south african republic. he blackmailed the south african president , cyril ramaphosa, but he was a bootleg. the moment when his predecessor, as president of the pair, jacob zuma, he invited the then president of sudan, al-bashar, to pretoria for the african union summit, on who was also warranted, and albashar arrived, but the pretoria court demanded his arrest, and he was literally on the run from the south african republic with the help of jacob zoom. however, it was also very important for the president of sudan to come. the country that

ratified the rome statute, simply this visit did not take place as he expected, he was forced to interrupt it ahead of schedule. putin spoke with ramophosa, as ramophosa himself reported, literally every day. then romaphosa took an absolutely unprecedented step, when the court in released to the south african republic a transcript of his interrogation regarding a possible invitation to putin, where romofos said that putin... threatened him with even military action if he came, the south african republic would arrest him, and when this transcript was released, such the way romaphosa showed putin that he has no control over the legal system of the republic of south africa, and yes, i can invite you, but if the court decides to arrest you, of course i can't do anything, that's very dangerous moment, and putin decided not to go there. and submit to the proposal

previously made by cyril ramofosa regarding the fact that he will send sergei lavrov to yehanesburg. and then, of course, when there were summits in brazil, different ones, in india, putin no longer tried to go there, because he realized that, say, the president of brazil, lulu dasiliva, or the prime minister of india, narend ramodi, they were not control their own judicial system, this is a problem, the problem is not just to agree with the leader. which of the states, it is a problem that this leader may be powerless before the courts, do you remember, andrei, that in brazil lula dasilva himself was in prison, that is, the judicial system after he left the post of president was capable of imprisoning him, then acquitting him, that is, there is an independent court there , brozili, but it is dangerous, of course, so we needed a country that ratifies the roman statute and... time will control the court, and

it is better not a country of the post-soviet space, as we understand it, and here we found mongolia, why mongolia right now, mongolia right now such a historical moment. when in power in mongolia, the mongolian people's party is the successor of the mongolian people's revolutionary party, well, at first, the mongolian people's party, the same party that was created, in fact, by the russian bolsheviks, to create such, i would say, fictitious independence of mongolia from china in the 20s years of the last century, and this pro-soviet party ruled mongolia until 1900, it seems there was 93, this is the famous horological party of choibalsan, yumjagin, tsedembala, and the current president of mongolia. even in such, i would say the late communist times, and this is a person who, that is, perfectly understands the weight of russia in

mongolian political and economic life and, moreover, maneuvers between ulaanbaatar, ulaanbaatar maneuvers between moscow and beijing, and it is absolutely obvious that neither russia nor china, any detention of putin was absolutely... and it is obvious that in a situation where the president of mongolia is from the mongolian people's party, the prime minister, the parliamentary majority, there is control over the judicial system, putin can be sure that nothing will threaten him in mongolia, he need then go from this point of view. he chose this, i would say, unexpected reason for the trip, it's the 85th anniversary of the battle of kahlengol, it seems, and it's also an absolutely incredible story, because there were actually two armies, the armies of the manchegou state, to fight there , which was created by the japanese in the occupied chinese territory, and the army of the mongolian people's republic, which was created largely by the russians, not occupied chinese territories, because from the point of view of international law, the territory of the mongolian

people's republic, well there until recognition most countries of the world considered mongolia to be the territory of china, until it was recognized by china itself, he said, er, practically. the only state at the time of the battle of halkingol that recognized the independence of mongolia was the soviet union, and also the tuvin people's republic, i'm sorry, which then completely disappeared from the political map of the world, annexed by stalin. and the only country that recognized the independence of manche was japan. and that's why it was a war of the soviet japanese army, and that's why at the congress of the cpsu after this war. george gave a speech in cambrai zhukov, and not at all some mongolian warlord. by the way, it was this battle that began the military career of the future marshal zhukov. but what does that mean? that putin still needs to support this myth, because it was one of the most popular myths before

1941, stalinist myths. halkingol, spain, finland, these are all such myths of war, these are all the stories that the heroes of the soviet union gave for. by the way, zhukov received the first star of the hero of the soviet union for hulkingol, as it will sound paradoxically today, precisely for hulkingol, and this is also an illustration of soviet history that putin really needs, so i remembered now these four stars of zhukov, the first for hulkingol, the next two - for the second world war, and the fourth for the hungarian uprising, for its destruction, here you go ... the whole marshal sleeve is such a story, when a person who fights with hitler receives the first star in the war of puppet armies, and the last one for destroying the freedom of the people who rose up against soviet tyranny, well, it seems to me a very speech, so that's why putin still goes, that's why

that he can humiliate the international criminal court, he can, as you and i understand very well, also show the power of this soviet myth, and he can set a precedent, because if he comes and goes back to moscow, then everyone will say , well , mongolia invited putin, and what happened, and nothing happened, what did this international criminal court of mongolia did, did nothing, and could not do anything, you see, this is the whole story, this is a precedent, and after that, maybe , other countries that signed the roman the statute, having ratified it, will be able to rest easy. to invite putin and not only putin, this is an incredible story, to be honest, and we understand that international law in these conditions works exactly when, if you want, when you yourself want to adhere to it, this is the essence of international law, that is why the world is divided

between the world democracies and dictatorships, between the world of countries that support democracy, between the world of countries that support dictatorship, mongolia is a democratic country, absolutely, a country that has changed many times. government, a country in which there were popular uprisings, a country in which people fought for their right to fair elections, but its authorities support russia and china, two dictatorial regimes. it turns out that you can be a conditionally democratic country and cooperate with dictatorships, here is a great example for you, and this is how the world is divided, such conditions are created for a war of candles, and putin is one of the active, i would say players, who provokes this war of candles, and who creates completely new rules of conduct, that is, you can completely disrespect international law, you can sign documents and have nothing to do with them, but russia has ratified a major agreement with ukraine. in which our territorial integrity was recognized together with crimea and donbas and all other regions and what?

then she took back all her words, that it was not her and not with her, because the authorities in kyiv have changed, now ukrainian territories can be annexed. well, here is the whole essence of the russian approach to law, and it wants to broadcast this approach to other peoples. one more topic, mr. vitaly, that i would like to discuss will discuss with you. a topic that had a great, high resonance, including among ukrainian society, but this topic also absolutely has an international context, international, topic, telegram. pavel durov, the founder and actual head of the telegram social network, was detained in france and spent several days under arrest. however, he is currently out on bail in the amount of 5 million euros, in fact

, various kinds of investigative actions, court actions are taking place, including the fool is accused of a whole series of violations of french legislation, there, as far as i understand, there is also a violation of european union legislation, well, we are talking about, if so in the general context, that telegram is a closed social network that does not actually share data. which need to be shared with the states, which actually supports certain terrorist movements, in particular through the prism of not disclosing information, not blocking some channels and so on and so forth, there are a lot of accusations, starting from the distribution of drugs, ending again with that in fact telegram is a social network that supports those elements, those subjects, which are zabo'. in france, well, but less so we understand that

it also imposes a context on our state, because in ukraine telegram is extremely common, it imposes a context on the russian-ukrainian war, because both russians and ukrainians use telegram, well, this imposes its context on global information security in general, because... a lot of people have spoken about it, starting from elon musk, who began to defend durov, ending, by the way, with the state duma of the russian federation and russian propagandists, by russian citizens who also went to the trouble to defend the telegram social network. mr. vitaly, this is the context of what is happening, why... right now this question is being raised, why russia is probably protecting

durov so much, and what further actions do you expect in relation to, in relation to the citizen, as russia, yes, as far as i understand the united arab emirates, and france, mr. adour, well, look, i think that all of this... again, it's part of this big war, which is global, because you mentioned this story very well, and you know , which is now the story with musk related to the fact that twitter, the former twitter network x, is now blocked in brazil, ugh, ugh, and to twitter in brazil these are, i would say the claims that the west has to telegram that we have is to telegram, this is not mass disinformation, absolutely, i would say. and completely unregulated, which has a very strong effect on brazilian society,

because in brazil it is twitter that is the main network for obtaining information, as in ukraine, now the main network for obtaining information is telegram, in brazil there is one in ten brazilian women can you imagine, is a twitter user, twitter is not so popular here, former twitter, i mean, telegram is popular here, but the essence of both networks, one after buying masks, the other after you create it. you fools, it is absolutely the same, it is the lack of control over the distribution of information and its anonymity, it is the fact that the information is distributed by people who are not responsible for its origin. at the beginning of our conversation, you mentioned maryana bezogola, who published information about the death an f-16 plane, right? mariana bezugola is a living person, a deputy of the verkhovna rada, and you can have complaints against her, you can eventually sue her, however, for publishing some information, you can

argue with her, as was done, say, there was a former military commander - air force of ukraine, mykola. and the former press secretary of the air force, yuriy ignat, responded to her in a strict manner. now remember andrii how many anonymous telegram channels there are in ukraine, which are engaged in exactly this kind of information dissemination, which is very difficult to answer, because they are nobody and their name is not what they are, and even if there are people, i mean journalists who are the owner of the telegram channel, the next one is draining. my tank, then this person says that she has nothing to do with this telegram channel, she sold it 100 years ago, she does not know at all who takes care of it, and all this is in the telegram, and there is a lot of resonant information, and a huge number of our compatriots who read these anonymous channels quite often do not even know whether indeed, they are close to the ukrainian government, after all, to the russian one, and because you know

that a huge number of channels have been created that pretend to be ukrainian channels, but are channels of russian...propagandist origin, and durov, like musk, they are indifferent to this, that this is freedom of speech. i want to convince you that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. if there is an anonymous telegram channel, the author of which is not responsible for the distribution of fictional information, then this means that you can become the object of propagandistic provocation is the whole society, not just you and me. if people begin to trust such information, they will naturally lose everything in their lives that they can lose. traditional journalism, as you know, also works with sources it does not name. however, each of us, when he publishes certain high-profile information, knows exactly from whom it comes, he checks this information more than once and not twice, and it is known for sure that

the information has not been verified by several independent sources, there is no information, but. .. this is our z your work, a huge number of consumers of information, that is, ordinary people, they simply cannot realize it, and just like before , the post-soviet society is a very infantile society, very ignorant, very uncritical, and before, as people said there, that in newspapers lie they will not, so now an incredible formula has appeared, i will say that it is a formula of blatant idiocy, i read it on the internet. and when i ask a person, where is it on the internet, what does it mean on the internet, after all, it is on the internet, from politics to pornography is in on the internet, where did you read this, here is something that told me that tomorrow everything will explode, destroy, die, where did you get this, dear reader, or viewer or listener, what is the answer i usually get when

i ask questions, and what i have to remember, somewhere i believed that... that is, this complete lack of information hygiene, it is used in this way, you know, there are media of different political views, relatively speaking, some we may like, and some we may not like, some like cnn, some like fox news, some some like ukrainian truth, some like censorship, but all these media, one way or another, defend their brand, they try to verify information. they somehow protect the information they provide, and we can say for sure that here we read this information, here we read this information, you and i are living people, when we make some information public, we understand how we let's confirm the fact that we made public, and what is anonymous, please tell me , anonymous, who can sit somewhere in

yasenevo and run a sincere telegram channel a ukrainian in which to tell how ukraine is. will disappear from the political map of the world in 3 months, how zelensky collects money to run away and so on and so forth, or anonymous sits somewhere in kyiv and tells the same thing, but about poroshenko, because he knows that his employers will like it , and in fact in this way helps the russian special services to increase the credibility of their slander against zelensky, because i believe that any anonymous. even if the people who conduct this anonymous work are sitting right there somewhere in the bank district, this is work for the russian special services, and the security service of ukraine should deal with these people, because it is the creation of an anonymous information fu. this is work for the special services of the russian federation, this is work that sooner or later will end with the disappearance of ukraine from the political map of the world, and no army, no ukraine

will save ukraine in such a situation, because it will have an absolutely demoralized and demotivated society, and i absolutely firmly state that these people work for it, i don't know for russian money or it ukrainians, as you know, money doesn't smell, but i know exactly what they do, they may not understand it, they may just be idiots, there are a lot of such idiots in our country. carriage, but one way or another, uh, yes, yes, but one way or another, this is a very dangerous moment, and this moment is not accidental, andrei, when durov created telegram, he knew what he was doing, and you remember that the vkontakte network , she was exactly like that, you haven't forgotten, but of course, i don't remember what, we, we all, we all used to be her personal accounts, yes, we this was already learned back then, anonymous accounts. do you remember, you could register, just write that you are elon musk, and

print alain delon's photo on elon musk's profile, and no one stopped you, no one tried to remove this fake profile, from these fake profiles then it went by the way , it goes on and now it is obvious, we simply do not use the vkontakte network there, any unforgiving propaganda. telegram is actually a modernized social network of vkontakte and nothing else, it’s just that vkontakte was banned by the russian special services they caught us from another entrance, so to speak, that's all. if we are talking about the context of ukraine, we need to think about what to do in general in ukraine with social networks, and this is not only about telegram, by the way, it is about... including many other social networks, in particular the tiktok social network , which actually belongs to the chinese, and which is currently undergoing this transitional process in

the united states of america, due to a possible ban, yes, it also brings a lot of negativity to our country, there are a huge number of fakes, by the way, just like in telegram, we are talking about legal aspects, in march of the current year 2024, our legislators, in particular the bill presented by people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi, there was a bill that related to the actual regulation of telegram and social networks, so now, as far as i understand, this what the brazilians want to do with the former twitter, as far as i understand, mr. vitaliy, now the profile committee of humanitarian and information policy is going to finalize

a comprehensive document by the end of september, as far as i i understand, on the basis of this draft law that i mentioned above, in general, regarding the regulation by the state of ukraine of social networks, and telegram in particular. we have others. problems, in fact, we in ukraine observe how a russian product, musical, film, cultural, informational, you can call it differently, is promoted even on legal platforms, for the same money that goes to the russian state budget every day, and we it is also necessary, i apologize, to do something about it, because in fact, well, our people, part of the people, do not quite understand. understand, this is already a matter for them, the use of such social networks, such programs, they actually pay funds to the russian federation, that is, the issue is very complex, and with

telegram, and with tiktok, and with various platforms and so on and so on, this is it a long conversation, but still , i have a question for you, your personal opinion, what do we need to do with all this, with telegram, with tiktok, to regulate it? what part of the information to ban, or to demand to reveal the ultimate owners of the channels? your opinion, mr. vitaly? i believe that the regulation of social networks - this task is not only ukrainian, it is a global task. there cannot be journalism with an open face and, next to it, a media space with a closed face. do you understand there are internets, there are darknets. everyone understands that these are different rules of the game, here everything happens in the same space. owners of social networks, by the way, this is what facebook does, but they have to learn.

work with verified information, unverified information cannot be anywhere, the owner of the information channel, information space must be responsible for your actions, well, of course, not in a situation where it is some kind of dictatorship, when you just make public some high-profile information secretly, but that is a different story, we are talking about a civilized world, a world where there is a judiciary, here we are with you, if we make public some not enough reliable information, now on this tv channel, we will slander someone , you and i can be sued if our colleagues who are engaged in the investigation got hold of something incredible, you know this very well, and here on any other channel, first of all, what they will do, they will to meet with lawyers to competently submit this information to protect against a possible lawsuit against specific people, against specific

organizations, and there is a side by side with us. or for what reason, which can say anything about anyone, and there will be no responsibility for it, this cannot be, because this is the end of civilization, you see, not only in ukraine, it means that the liar will always win , freedom of speech is not freedom to lie, i say this all the time, i say it is completely wrong to have bbc standards when you give two positions, one of which is true and the other is a lie, you can give two different interpretations of the same fact, but you can't force a person to debate with this person who is just outright lying, remember how it was with the russian missile downing story of the malaysian plane, so it was necessary to give two positions, one position was ukrainian, the dutch, who wanted to say that it was a russian missile, and here some russian official, who was quoted, said that it was

in fact. a ukrainian plane shot down this plane, although there was no ukrainian plane in the sky, there was nothing at all related to ukraine, in this tragedy, but they talked about it, they lied, but at least they were officials, there was some press secretary of sechin, lyontsiv, he he just said it with his lips, and we already knew it was a lie, and that even if the lie met the bbc's standards, it didn't really meet any standards of decency. just an ordinary lying scumbag who hypes the death of innocent people, but now imagine that this guy from lyons or some other propagandist, russian, will create an anonymous channel, why would he create it, he probably created it a long time ago, and he will report all this information, yes, as if he is not a russian propagandist, but a ukrainian official, how can he protect himself from this, well, if telegram or twitter

doz... to do this if after elon musk bought twitter, there were verified users who were socially significant persons, those blue verification ticks disappeared, remember, right? uh, uh, and this flamboyant billionaire started trading these ticks, so now any person, which is nobody, can buy this verification mark and distributes under this verification mark. disinformation, well, i always believed that this verification mark, when i had it there in my profile, it means that here i am, i am a ukrainian journalist, i am responsible for my words, twitter confirms that i am a ukrainian journalist, so that people knew they were reading a real person, now i don't have any verification mark because that's what this madman wanted, bought...

twitter buyer, who we know now bought his with the money of people close to the russian oligarchs, they lent him money, peter avin's son lent him money, avin himself, as you know, is close to putin, here's the whole story, and durov was allegedly given money by alisha rusmanov, a person close to e- putin, so this is really a real political madness, not a medical diagnosis. but the political diag, and it is necessary to simply return to common sense, andriy, not only to the ukrainian verkhovna rada, the ukrainian verkhovna rada among other parliaments of civilized countries of the world, protection of freedom of speech is protection of freedom of truth. again, i repeat, i am not finished with this opinion, cnn and fox news may have completely different interpretations of the storming of the capitol.