about this in february-march 2022, and now i repeat once again, if this war does not end, it will become even more and more globalized and there will be even more and more wars, because this is the logic of opposition to democracy and dictatorships. i have repeatedly quoted the text written by the then speaker of the house of representatives of the american congress. when she flew to taiwan, what she believes is that she is at the epicenter of conflicts between democracies and dictatorships, and this is the essence of what is happening, and that is why it is globalized and becomes quite a serious challenge for the world in which we live. therefore, stopping this war with a russian defeat and a ukrainian victory is not only our business. i'm talking from 2022. that if this war

continues, it will definitely come to the territory of russia itself, and everyone was also skeptical about this and said: this cannot happen, ukraine cannot fight on russian territory, the president of the united states said that he does not want for the war to come to the territory of russia, for the russians to suffer from the war. and now he doesn't speak anymore. and now already on the territory of the kurdish region the russian federation is being fought by westerners with western weapons, now german leopards are driving around the territory of the kurdish region of the russian federation, and no german politician says "minend hod, this cannot happen after the second world war", it turns out, maybe? this is the logic of the long conflict. but

we are not just hostages of this conflict, as you understand, we are participants in it, and we have to tell the world, tell all those who think about the future of the modern world, that this is not just our war, as many continue to believe, it is... a common war, on the results of which depends the survival of all those who would like to live in a democratic, civilized world, who would like to have rights, who would like their lives not to be encroached upon by those for whom the very value of life is scant, because in dictatorships the value of life is always small, the life of only one person who finds... the dictatorship is on the mountain, all the others are

just material. yes, it always has to start with someone. after all, you and i are in the city where ukrainian freedom began. in the 80s and 90s of the last century. you remember this very well. people from other regions of ukraine came to lviv at that time. free society and voted for these political forces that advocated the idea of ​​a free society at that time most of our compatriots voted for the communist party of ukraine. you can hear the ukrainian language on the streets, how can it be that ukrainian is spoken on the streets of a big city. you

remember all this well, it was the beginning, and i always have a question to which i have a clear answer: what would have happened to ukraine if there had not been this beginning, if there had not been galicia, which was ready to remind ukrainians that they are ukrainians and that they are free ukrainians and that they are... ukrainian-speaking ukrainians , what would have happened to our history and our state then, i'll tell you what happened, there would have been belarus, that's all that happened, and we should always remember that if we didn't have b territory that understood what... ukraine is and what freedom is, even

when most people who lived in the ukrainian ssr did not realize this, we could live a completely different life. in general, this is, i would say, stalin's fatal mistake. latvia, lithuania, estonia, galicia. well, let him turn over a couple more times in the grave, he is lying embalmed there, so he can turn over. but why am i reminding you of all this? because it always starts with something. for freedom even in a hopeless situation. the people of lviv believed in this freedom, even when you were kicked out of the meeting hall of the verkhovna rada of ukraine for wearing a blue and yellow badge,

remember, they just kicked you out. the people of lviv believed to the freedom when there was no referendum on the renewed union in the territories of lviv, ivano-frankivsk and ternopil regions, and the majority of citizens of the ukrainian ssr voted for this renewed union, probably hoping that it would be some kind of new state where they could to find their place together with the russian people, but dzuski did not, and now they probably already understand why. even now, maybe this fight for freedom in the world we live in, maybe this fight against dictatorships and the awareness of how dangerous they are, begins

precisely from ukraine, from the readiness of the ukrainian people to fight, endure, find non-standard solutions, and maybe later in... history, this period will be precisely connected with the understanding that it was from ukraine that it all began, and so in the future someone will definitely ask at the same meeting, but not in ukraine, but tell me, please, what would happen if ukraine surrendered, if it... agreed to russian conditions, if it decided to live according to the russian plan for the future, what would happen to all of us? no, this question will not come out of one idle reasons, because in dictatorships no questions are asked, and if ukraine surrendered, it would be

the first step towards the defeat of democracy in the entire civilized world. and now i am absolutely sure that this defeat will not happen, and therefore i am sincerely proud of all those people who were ready to defend ukraine both in 2014 and in 2022, i am proud of people who feel that they are ukrainian people, people quite often of different ethnicities origin, different people... creeds, people who look at ukraine differently and have a different image of ukraine, because it is different in lviv, in kyiv, in poltava, in kharkiv, in chernihiv, in uzhhorod, and it is precisely from these different images that

ukraine emerges, for which people are ready to fight, for which they are ready to die, as they do not want to leave, during these 33 years, many events in the history of ukraine, in her life, frankly surprised me, some events positively surprised me, i remember this enthusiasm of the maidan. i remember those people who flocked like a river to the maidan so that they would not be dispersed, i remember the queues at the weapons stores and at the trade center, here in lviv and in other cities of ukraine in the first days of the great war. i remember many events that

frankly surprised me during the elections and when society reacted to the challenge in a strange way. but at the same time, unlike vladimir putin, i want to tell you one important thing: so far everything is going according to my plan. according to the plan that i drew for myself on august 24 , 1991, when i saw on the scoreboard the voting numbers for the act of independence of ukraine, and i believed, although we were all not ready, that it would happen so quickly, that ukraine would develop, that ukraine would change that ukraine will be a european state, the most important thing i believed then. that ukrainians will become ukrainians, although it was not easy to believe then, but i believed, and

this is how it happened, is happening and will happen with our participation and in front of our eyes. glory to ukraine. dear mr. vitaly, thank you very much for the meaningful and insightful lecture, and i would like to take this opportunity to convey my best wishes and congratulations on behalf of the 92nd separate assault brigade named after ataman ivan sirk, which is currently holding back the enemy's onslaught on kharkiv oblast, and to tell you that there is a feeling that we are in the same formation, that we are in the same trench, we are carrying out the same task. on the restoration and affirmation of ukraine in contrast to such a wide

stratum of society and government in general, but the actual question relates to the topic of your lecture, it seems to me that after all, its independence is a concept that is affirmed more by deed than by word, in connection with the fact that such a question, is n't it... a question of responsibility, a man's responsibility - to take up arms and go with his own life to defend the country, the responsibility of a person who understands everything, knows, anticipates, and at that time does not go into politics, then it is not a question of not assuming authority, maybe this does not apply only to you, it is generally such a question, but if people with great understanding , with great patriotism, with great knowledge. the cause of the consequent connection, how to act, do not go into politics, they do not open the way in politics, to turn

to the ignorant, alienated enemies who are destroying ukraine. thank you for your question. for me, any activity is related to professionalism. and to be responsible for people who i cannot go into politics without being a professional politician. i am absolutely sure that political activity is not delivering speeches or writing articles. and not even creating meaning, it is a clear job that is related to the decision-making of a politician of a legal nature, so i always say that you cannot become a politician when in our country people vote for unprofessional politicians and then tell them, you don't have to must learn, then they forget that these people do not learn from laboratory mice, but from themselves, and i i absolutely do not want to be a person who would... act as someone who will

gain political experience in people's lives. and what you're asking again suggests that we are still not, i would say, a developed society. in the united states, a person who is a political columnist for a leading newspaper or a television channel has more influence than a minister or a congressman, but that's his job, he's... sense in his place, and the congressman's job is that he works on laws, on laws that improve his life voters if a ukrainian voter votes for people who have never even heard the word law in their life, not that they wrote it, and are not capable of creating a professional team because they do not really understand what this team can do, well, this is the result of the quality of the government , that is why my... task is to change the quality of society, if i can change the quality of society, society will elect

professionals, and i have been doing this for the last 35 years, and i will be working for another 35 years, i hope, if you compare russian propaganda and russian tv channels in the world, then compared to the ukrainian truth, the ukrainian propaganda that we deliver, they are just an incomparable fraction, you as a professional, is there any perspective. in our country, are there people like you who can convey ukrainianness to a larger, wider audience and attract other countries, foreign ones. journalists and everything that can be done and done more and better in this direction, how to achieve this, well, you know, you, you forget that we are not a very large european country, in terms of the number of people, in terms of the amount of money, russia with of soviet times spends incredible money on its propaganda and has a result from it, but at the same time i would like to say that

the first victims of this propaganda are ourselves, and not western society at all, because westerners. society respects facts, and we respect our wishes, and therefore, when someone makes a proclamation that corresponds to our wishes, emotions, we are ready to accept it, it is not so easy for russian propaganda to reach the western consumer, and by the way, the last two of half a year after the beginning of this great one war, it turned out that russia generally has a hard time with propaganda, because the facts, when they are obvious, are not covered by any propaganda. if western societies have values, and most people have values, and these people see a disaster in front of them, they don't care at all what the russians will tell about it, because they see the fact or the story with the malaysian boeing that has reached its the result in the international court, how much money the russians spent on propaganda, on creating millions of versions,

so, as it were, they worked on it, i don’t even i imagine what kind of budget they spent on it, so what? and so he was hit by a russian missile, he was, the court established it, established it, so it will be with every such situation. i want to remind you that authoritarian regimes have always spent huge amounts of money on the propagation of their ideas. the soviet union had foreign languages ​​in 80 languages. soviet agents worked in many western publications and tried to distort reality. as it was, say, with the ukrainian famine. and where is the soviet union? contrary to reality, this, by the way, would be worthwhile for ukrainians. once against reality no other weapon can be found than reality itself. propaganda is a temporary thing, like anesthesia. people, as a rule, really hear what they want to hear, but when they meet the reality, as the ukrainians met it on february 24, 2022, how much

propaganda, both external and internal, was there before that. russia will never attack, we will not... said russian officials, ukrainian politicians said the negotiation process is going on, it's just that the americans want to collapse our economy, i won't remind you who said that, and what, 24 in february 2022, it became clear to everyone, people already draw their own conclusions. please, thank you very much, mr. vitaly, for visiting us in lviv, giving us a relevant lecture, thank you, so my question is what... will ukraine's allies play in the reconstruction of ukraine after we, hopefully, stand , will they help us restore the economy and restore the dictatorship, which is a little, oh, sorry, democracy, which has been a little shaken lately. so, thank you. look, if ukraine emerges from this war

as a country with safe guarantees, a country that will join the european union and join europe. union, by and large we will not need the help of allies, it will simply be another part of the european market, it will be a territory for investments, and large investments, because a huge part of our territories is now, in principle, subject to such investments and reconstruction, and i it seems that if we become members of the european family, then it will not be about help, but about mutually beneficial cooperation, and i am just like that... i see ukraine in the future, i i believe that there is, if we agree that ukraine survives, then it can survive only as a part of western education, and it will not be a country that will simply donate money, it will be a country in which investments will feel safe, and obvious a condition for investments to be safe, a democratic system is needed, because no

investor will invest money in the country, before all agreements are concluded not... in arbitrations and are not resolved in court , but are resolved exclusively by giving envelopes in specific offices , such a country for investments is not defined, especially, you know, we have a strange country, there are dictatorships in which you can give an envelope in the cabinet, there are democracies, where the judicial law works, and we are a country in which you can give an envelope in the cabinet, but then the court decides that this envelope is worthless and we're falling between these two worlds into nowhere, so we're going to have to... somehow become a normal country, i think we'll get there. thank you for the opportunity to ask questions, you said about your plans, well, open them up a little, what are your plans plans? if i were to make plans for a year,

it would be very difficult for me to live, but i see a trend, i see a trend of the survival of ukraine and our ability to protect ourselves and become part of the civilized world, but i will tell you right away that the road to this is not easy and this is not a year-long path, and i keep saying and repeating that it is necessary to teach. learning to live in war, because if you live with the hope that tomorrow everything will end, let it all end tomorrow, let it be a pleasant bonus for you, but learning to live in war is a question for all of us number one for the normal existence of society, if you and i understand that it does not end tomorrow and not the day after tomorrow, i adapt to the conditions in which we live, then we have a real opportunity to survive. peace is in a psychologically stable state, because everyone who thinks about what will happen after the war must remember that it will depend on him, so that

after the war there will not be a time in which war will be considered an easy trial, that is what is important, and that's why we need to calm down and realize reality and not live in a world of illusions in which we so love to live the last decades, it's a... hard time, it can be long, but if we want to see the light at the end of the tunnel, we have to go through the tunnel calmly. thank you for the opportunity to ask a question, i can definitely say that you are very correct in your predictions, i have been reading you since 2010, that is from blogs, and actually, i will probably go back in time a little to one of your articles, which appeared on the death of thatcher in in 2013, you wrote that one of the problems... of european politics is that the generation of political titans of the type reagan, among others, was replaced by a generation of political bureaucracies. do you see today that in europe there is a tendency

again towards the movement of a new generation of political titans who are able to put values ​​and actions higher than gas flows and money? thank you. the very logic of new information technologies. implies that instead of politicians who think like statesmen, politicians who think exclusively of electoral interests come, because they deal with an audience like me that no longer listens to big speeches and reads party programs, but reads semes from donald trump everything will be ok let's make america great again elect me and just see. the sky is in diamonds, every politician knows how to speak like that professionally, even i know how to speak without being a politician, but i am ashamed,

but there are people who are not ashamed, and everything works out for them, so this is a period of adaptation to new information technologies, which in principle determine the political mainstream, but the very trials in which humanity lives, the very challenges. which are in front of him, will simply speed up the process of this adaptation, and yes, in at some point we will see a different generation of politicians, but again, in order for this to happen, we need to at least understand what kind of world we will live in after the russian-ukrainian war, because, as i said, the very result of this war will determine the quality of political life throughout the civilized world, and precisely... why what is happening here today is so important for us, for our neighbors in europe, even for countries like the united states of america. i

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political club helps to understand the processes taking place in ukraine and the world, if you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday political club, every saturday on espresso, i congratulate you, you are watching the espresso tv channel, my name is lesya vakulyuk, and we we continue on the espresso tv channel a cycle of interviews with people who do. today , i am visiting a person who makes ukraine better in two ways, in the historical plane and in the plane when he himself writes the current history with a weapon in his hands. volodymyr birchak, volodya for me, or i know volodya a little longer, when i asked how to introduce you, volodya answered me: you can just be a sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, but from civilian life, a historian, archivist, head of academic

programs of the research center. liberation movement, you can also mention that the editor of the historical truth, if not too much, i believe that it is not too much, and there are still many different pages from your life that we will remember today, and i also want to tell our viewers that i actually know volodya so closely from the summer of 2021, a little more than six months remained before the full-scale invasion, and we just worked with volodya in the same documentary project, 10 days of independence, where i was one of the screenwriters, and volodya was... my consultant and actually explained, what and why, how everything happened in the last 100 years in the history of ukraine and why we chose these 10 days of independence, because these are the days when ukrainians gained independence and gained statehood over the centuries, but then something happened in our history, and the gaining of independence did not end in 1991, and now you own, literally choose 11. our

independence day, did you, as a historian, foresee and know that you would have to go to war, well , in fact, in fact, in other words, i was preparing myself for a full-scale conflict, and in fact i was preparing my relatives and close ones that it is most likely inevitable, and that is, i am not the only one, i am not unique in this, i know a lot of my brothers and sisters who... analyzed the international situation, who analyzed the things that the country is doing 404 , can we call it that today, so as not to talk like a volon de morda, ah, that it all leads to a full-scale conflict, after all, you very aptly mentioned this documentary series that we were working on, 10 days of independence, and viewers of espresso, as far as i know, had the opportunity to watch it, because it was broadcast.