on the budget problems in germany, and what is going on there now, well, let's say, they are cutting everything possible, and we even feel it in the support of ukraine, and when we heard there the sum of 4 billion euros of aid for the next year against 8 billions of euros this year, but nevertheless it just shows that in the wave of economic problems, of course, the radicals will have the opportunity to get away. growth, well , plus, again, the topic of migration, ukrainian refugees, of course, it plays the same way according to different calculations, we have there in in germany, someone says 1.3, 1.3 million people, someone says one and 5 million people, but nevertheless, this is a very large number and burden, and there are others, refugees, respectively, and the germans see it all , and in this one.

situation, of course, the radical forces will continue to play directly on this, but i also want to draw your attention in principle to the fact that the union of the cdu, the csu, in principle, which today are also in the opposition, are also radicalizing in their rhetoric , regarding precisely the policy of the scholz government, and therefore i i can also assume that at least a part of the most dissatisfied germans will still be able to attract such a major political force, this union, because once again it is clear that directly bringing to power the right of radicals, the descendants of hitler's party, well, germany also has certain safeguards, including historical safeguards, and when the leader of... alternatives for germany

was directly called a fascist in court and there is a court decision on this issue that he is directly written as a fascist, so in this situation i think that there is also a certain electoral ceiling, but nevertheless further growth, of course it can be, and unfortunately, the current result of the actual social democratic party of germany, i think that next year it can be even worse, it is a pity, eh, that well, let's watch, alarming little bells, i don't feel very comfortable personally when i feel such polarization, not only in our society, but when something similar happens in our neighbors, especially since it's almost the first time in 91, it seems like a year, so somehow it doesn't seem to lead to good, but, but, but we hope for prudence and indeed for safeguards, in particular historical ones that are in germany, and please tell me, mr. igor, about... the rome statute, recently,

in fact, we talked about the ratification of this document by ukraine, so to speak about the rome statute and the countries that have already ratified it, mongolia is one of such countries, nevertheless, nevertheless, it is unlikely that vladimir putin, the head of the russian state for the time being, will be arrested in ulaanbaatar, but he defiantly and boldly several hours that's why he came to this country, which would have had a good... decision to arrest putin, according to the decision of the international criminal court, for the fact that he actually kidnaps ukrainian children, but this is not happening, and on the one hand, we see how in europe, very extreme forces are gaining the upper hand, we see how some countries that have undertaken certain obligations with signed documents and ratification do not fulfill these obligations, somehow the world has become very uncertain, let's talk, tell me,

please, what's going on with this visit, what is he for, why it can be dangerous for ukraine, in the long run for the world order, which is still shaking, but remains? well, first of all, of course, just in line with the iss and this situation with mongolia, because we see a serious precedent, specifically in the matter of putin, when a state that at one time also... signed the rome statutes, ratified, but refuses the execution of the relevant arrest warrant, and a very dirty case with reputation, regarding the abduction of ukrainian children, and this is precisely a very unpleasant signal, once again the fixation due to the lack of necessary safeguards in international politics, today, let me remind you, together with... the country, 125 states

have signed and ratified the rome statute, and it was previously believed that this is really a very important instrument. a lever that will be able, well, at least they will stroke putin's nerves, well , it is obvious that they really found certain ways to get out of this situation, and this is a very dangerous precedent, and if we do not see a sufficient reaction, and so far it is not sufficient, because those statements that, well, maybe the assembly to meet, to make some more decisions, it is not enough, but now in fact , lawlessness is being committed, lawlessness continues to be committed, specifically what... the russian dictator, since he, well, is not arrested according to the issued warrant, and the second point, regarding this visit to mongolia, i will remind , that just recently, mongolia's decision slowed down the construction of the sila sibir-2 gas pipeline, at

least until the 28th year, accordingly, putin will discuss this issue at the highest level, and let's see if mongolia will not withdraw... relevant theses from its own program there , therefore that it was precisely because of this that formally the issue slowed down, nevertheless, well, we understand that if mongolia takes a more pro-russian position, gazprom, which quarter has losses, net losses of 6 billion dollars, well, at least partially, it will be able to discover new additional markets in terms of volumes, then... already china and so on, that's why it's also not very pleasant, because all these funds go directly to finance the war with ukraine, and we also understand that putin is currently in this field tries to show once again that he is not an exile, that he can

to shake hands with other leaders, accordingly, this is again a very serious challenge to the civilized international community, mr. igor, let's talk about putin again, since we have already mentioned him, putin said that he is not against peace talks, but he wants deal with the bandits, relatively speaking, he means the offensive of the armed forces, defense forces of ukraine on the kursk region, right? now, let's listen to the synchronicity of what the russian dictator said. tion will fail and after that there will be a desire really not in words, but affairs, proceed to peaceful negotiations and resolve these issues by peaceful means. we have never given up on this, but we must, of course, deal with those bandits who

entered the territory of the russian federation, in the kursk region, and with their attempts to destabilize the situation in the border areas as a whole. that is, putin is... again talking about negotiations, although a few days ago his so -called posipaks, the same press secretary dmitry piskov, said that we apologize, there will be no negotiations at all, and they cannot be talked about now language, but here in his next speech, putin says that negotiations are possible. mr. igor, what does this show, is russia really ready, at least for some kind of negotiations, or is this just another blind eye? in order to demonstrate to the world the alleged ability to negotiate with these russian terrorists. well, first of all, this indicates a bipolar, public bipolar in putin, who, in the same place, not only lavrov, piskov, ushakov, medvedev, said that there are no

negotiations, putin personally said so, he said, no negotiations and no exchange of prisoners of war , after which we saw the exchange of prisoners of war, where 115. of our defenders were returned, this is already the second point, the weakening of the position of the russian dictator, this just shows that the kurdish operation is actually achieving its goal politically, by lowering certain factions directly of the kremlin leader, but it is obvious that this is not enough, and it is clear that putin wanted very much to take advantage of certain advantages in rather hot areas of our front. well, obviously this is also the pokrovsky direction, respectively toretsk, myrnograd, but just the topic for him of the kurt region, well, it skewed very strongly, and plus, again, we have to understand that soon they will still have a single voting day, and putin still has to

balance, that is, cover his electorate as much as possible, it is clear that this is not an election in them, they have pseudo elections. it turns out that they will actually appoint 25 governors through these pseudo-elections, but none the less. it is necessary to show that he is still for peace, he wants peace and so on, but again he finds a reason why he cannot, now he says that the kurdistan is a hindrance, but pay attention, he wants to expel the bandits, but for some reason he hardens the court with kababs, bombards it with artillery, accordingly , civilians, directly russian citizens, remain there, but putin does not worry about them for some reason, it is easier for putin to make relevant statements, well , it's obvious that actions. they have not decided how to get out of the current situation, and what they are now implementing through their

propaganda vertical, that the ukrainians will be in the kursk region almost until the end of the war, that is, this means that putin accepted that ukraine will really put a specific situation in the relevant region of the russian federation on the table of change. mr. igor, actually the american side. of our conversation, the minister of defense of ukraine, rustem umerov, during a visit to the united states, just last week, allegedly handed over to american high-ranking officials a whole list deep in the territory of the russian federation, which kyiv would like to hit with american long-range atakams missiles. andrii yermak, head of the president's office, in particular met with the foreign policy adviser of the us vice president, kamale harry, with philip gordon, with whom he discussed the military needs of ukraine, and the publication the economist publishes. material suggesting that ukrainian president

volodymyr zelensky has almost the last chance to convince biden to allow us missiles to hit the russian federation. negotiations on this should take place at the un conference next week. what prospects do we have for obtaining this permission , given the fact that more and more westerners american, in particular, critical components for russian missiles, our air... forces shoot down in the sky over the ukrainian capital, in general on the territory of ukraine? well, it is obvious that everything will depend on the content of the already announced victory plan, which zelensky must directly convey to both biden and kemal harris to donald trump, because now we have actually conveyed the technical details of the specific goals that we would like to neutralize at the expense of the bogeymen, but not less, but... well, apparently biden is considering whether or not to give permission already from the point of view

strategy, how to end at least the active phase of the war, well, actually, how we formulate this message in a specific document, which will already be there, well, obviously next week handed over to the american side, i think the decision will directly depend on this, yes or not, but again, i will remind you that in fact it will be beneficial for biden... to take this victory plan in any form, because when the package of 61 billion dollars was adopted, then the congress had written down points that exactly the biden administration has to present a suitable plan for victory, then i don't remember how many or 90 days they gave or 45, well something was given there for a certain number of days, but it was not really presented, and now in fact this material can be a good pass for joe biden, or rather even for kamala. already in the course of the further pre-election struggle against trump, although,

of course, we do not interfere in the election and maintain neutrality towards each of the candidates, the continuation of this topic, mr. igor, in particular in poland there are very often opinions that it is necessary to shoot down russian missiles either on the territory of poland or over the territory of ukraine, even thoughts, thoughts are heard, missiles fly very often. opinions, but unfortunately, it doesn't go further than opinions, in particular, two completely different statements were made today, firstly, the minister of foreign affairs of the republic of poland, radoslaw sikorski, stated in an interview with the financial times that poland and other countries that bordering ukraine, are obliged to shoot down russian missiles. quote: membership in nato does not cancel the responsibility of each country to protecting our own airspace, that's... our own constitutional duty, i personally believe that when enemy missiles

are heading into our airspace, that would be legitimate self-defense, because once they cross our airspace, the risk that someone will be injured by debris, is significant, however, however, this is what i am leading all this to, and by the evening, when we were traveling to this ether, the polish... the government had already distanced itself from the statements of its own minister, and according to the spokesman of the polish foreign ministry, vronsky , sikorsky's position is that in order to protect the inhabitants of poland... and to prevent misfortune , any possibility should be used, however , the spokesman, the same cautioned that the possibility of shooting down russian missiles and drones at a significant height in the airspace of ukraine should be an element of assessment by the polish military , and this applies to each specific case, ukrainian pravda writes about it. well, here are two statements that to some extent contradict

each other: the position of sikorsky and the position of... the polish government, and by the way, before that the polish government also repeatedly spoke about that they will not do it. why , then, do polish politicians and polish officials often say these things, but in the end it never comes to fruition. well, of course, we would like to have the fastest possible result in this matter, because it is absolutely clear, there is no escalation, no direct confrontation. there with the russian aggressor, no, this is exclusively a matter of security and ensuring it, both for polish citizens and, of course, for ukrainians, because well, if we could agree on the use of their air defense systems from their territory on our border, but you know, everything is equal, everything is equal, now these are the comments of sikorsky

and what they are doing in the polish information space, they give results in principle, pay attention, here is a beech tree here is fresh sociology, already 58 percent of polish citizens are in favor of active actions, respectively in favor of shooting down russian cans in the polish sky, and this is a very serious signal, and it is, in my opinion, an unequivocal position in the polish virtually homogeneous society with such issues, just as far as security issues are concerned, so i think that if not now then... in the dynamics, in the dynamics, we will be able to make some progress in engaging the air defense of our partners, how about shooting down on their territory directly, because we have already seen these incidents, when we flew to them, then they flew to our respective gas storage facilities in the stria, or like this missile that flew 25 km, how many half an hour did it

fly at them and they could not make a decision, well this is a real danger, a question of... sovereignty poland, the sovereignty of poland, it is no longer a matter of nato, they say that they also made a statement in nato that consultations are needed, and while these consultations are going on, the shahed will fly around poland several times, as they constantly fly over ukraine, while our anti-aircraft defenses still do not mislead, so now it is really not only about sovereignty, but also about maturity, about understanding the real situation, and actually about a proactive position. if we talk about the russian threat, it is a threat not only to ukraine, but also to poland, what is actually happening, well, for example, take the situation with migrants, or take the situation regarding the soval corridor itself, and there are many, many such nuances, so poland really needs to understand all the risks and finally start

responding to them effectively, thank you mr. igor for joining etor, igor. was in touch with us, and summarizing the topic of our capabilities in the sky, the senate of romania approved the transfer of patriot batteries to ukraine. we have such positive news from neighbors and friends, but for now we are moving on to the topic of law-making in our country, yes, it does not stop, but before that we would still like to remind you that today we are asking you whether you support lowering the mobilization age to 50 years, because accordingly the petition has already gathered the necessary information. votes, if you support it, please call 0800 211 381, if you don't, call 0800-211382. all your calls will be free, so please join. law-making was promised, right? well, first of all, today the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, signed the law on increasing excise taxes on fuel. we understand

that our government, our public management has to respond to... a difficult question with the size of a 500 billion hole in our budget, and the answer to this question may also be the raising of taxes in our country of tax and customs policy, but khrystyna already mentioned that after today's, in fact already... now the raising of excise taxes on fuel, the next stage awaits us, and quite, i would say the stage is so difficult, because it is already being discussed in ukrainian society. it has already become an element of such discord and a certain separation, many people say that we are sorry, but how, how can it be during martial law,

the government has a different position, the authorities have a different position, well, in short, the tax committee of the supreme council supported the updated version of the draft law number 11416d, which provides for an increase in some taxes, in particular, an increase in the military levy from 15 to 5%. an increase in the income tax for financial companies to 25%, in particular, it is about establishing a military levy in the amount of 1% of the income for the third group of workers, the establishment of a military levy for the first, second and fourth groups of workers at the level of 10% of the minimum salary, and as far as we understand, these are not all the other changes that actually await us. mrs. nina, how do you generally evaluate such an initiative of the government, such an initiative of the authorities. and how justified is such an increase in taxes now? to put it in one sentence, all that

is proposed is an increase and additional income, probable additional income at the expense of people. from what you started, raising the excise tax, the excise tax on fuel, which, by the way, the law was signed late, published late, so it... after all, came into force only today, and maybe it will come into effect tomorrow, because just yesterday the energy customs office was working with the old excise tax rates, i think that the management, five or six managers should be responsible for such violations of article 58 of the constitution, but this will be dealt with later, i hope, by the company's lawyers and so on further, regarding those new initiatives which supported and recommended the profile committee to the verkhovna rada to adopt as a basis in the first reading. in fact, these are not committee initiatives, the deputies did not

participate in their development either at the working group or at the committee meeting, which took place two days in a row, these proposals were not heard, and there was no support for these proposals, namely, raising the military levy from 15 to 5% for all white income of citizens, very much. the question was asked, what about those who do not pay taxes at all to the budget, how will we equally devote ourselves to supporting our armed forces, to the support of the security and defense sector, so we will wait for the coming days will be very hot in the parliament, it will not be so easy to pass this draft law, because you know, based on the consideration of changes to the state budget, today is already the second. profile committee on budget issues, i, like most of my colleagues, have a question: it turns out that it was possible to do without raising taxes at all until the end of this

year, because it is absolutely obvious that the missing resource, which was from the very beginning 500 billion was named, they found a way to redistribute, redistribute, replace so as not to... collect these funds at the expense of taxes, unfortunately, there is nothing good in the initiative that was supported by the budget committee today, because the lion's share of the funds will come from the plan to collect in the budget through internal borrowing, i.e. through military ovdp, and this is a huge amount of funds, if we speak, it is necessary to somewhere up to 400 billion. place bonds for such an amount, we know who can buy them, in this regard, i think that everyone who understands this

system, will be able to answer what these funds are, and with what we will finance the fourth quarter of our armed forces. only possible, in order to provide this savings for part of the expenses. the path chosen by the authorities will once again fall on the shoulders of the people, because the inflationary process will be spun to such an extent that the revenues due to the military levy will be reduced, including if it this project will be voted on, they will greatly affect family incomes, the ability of ordinary people, because... it rises for all types of incomes, mainly for mainly white wages and other incomes in addition to wages, and

please tell me that rightly? it is fair to raise taxes again at the expense of people, and not systematically make changes that would fall more proportionally on the shoulders of everyone, both legal entities and individuals, and yet, here it was necessary to think exclusively about consumption taxes, who consumes more, who more expensive buys things so that he pays more, and not based on the fact that the tax rate is the same for children... what are the risks of shadowing our economy in general in connection with this, well, unfortunately, there are trends when employers are not satisfied officially to the work of their employees in connection with the, i don't know, mobilization law, let's say you are absolutely right, there are other things, yes, you are absolutely right, it was the first post

of the state. to go into the shadows, and when we were accidentally told a figure at a committee meeting that we currently have up to 5 million citizens of ukraine do not have a single penny of official income, and we spent a long time figuring out how this is, because, well, in fact, the tax on the income of individuals is a budget-forming tax, and reducing the burden on the wage fund is the right step towards increasing the salary output. the wall, and such steps as even a 1% increase in the wage burden, it drives it into the shadows, and it is not necessary to think about it, whether it will be whether people consciously or unconsciously do it, the current economic situation is such that it will be a must and something we have struggled with throughout the last 10 years, you can simply multiply by zero, because all the reductions that were carried out,

how they were very... reflected, only later, played a positive thing, now will be lost, such ill-considered steps, even during the war, i will repeat myself once again , even with such a large budget deficit, it is definitely not possible to do it, there are other ways, they are also possible, well , if they are difficult for every citizen, but this should not happen at the expense of the tax on white incomes of citizens, unfortunately... our time is limited and we must conclude, thank you to you for participating, for expressing your opinion on this difficult and important topic: nina yuzhanina, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on tax and customs policy, i would like to summarize this topic very briefly, until recently in the words of our special representative of the united states for the economic recovery

of our country, ms... who noted that you have income that you are not receiving that you should be receiving today, let's focus on that first, that's what she said about the opportunity raising taxes in our country, but we remind you that today we are asking you whether you support lowering the mobilization age to 50 years, the corresponding petition has received the appropriate number of votes, and is awaiting consideration, and the interim results look as follows, thank you colleagues, 79 % of our viewers and listeners: believe that it is necessary to reduce this and 21% believe that no, it is not necessary to do this. stay tuned to espresso, we 'll be back in just 15 minutes and we'll be talking, debating and discussing, and for now, news from our colleagues from bbc ukraine.

in germany, for the first time since the days of nazism , the far-right won regional elections in the east of the country. what will this mean for berlin and will it affect support for ukraine? next on our air, in the studio in london, jafer umerov. the alternative for germany, a far-right political party, received the most votes, almost a third in the thuringian region. in second place is the conservative christian democratic union. in another eastern region, saxony, the far-right came second. but it is important note that the third