them in such a way as not to give the russian federation the opportunity to use tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, because the west definitely does not know how to react in such a situation, and in order for this to happen, so to speak, systematically. russians understand what the west is afraid of. when sergey lavrov says that americans should not think that a nuclear war will take place exclusively in europe, that it will necessarily affect america as well. this means that the russians are also starting to move the red lines on their side, because earlier when we talked about the danger of a nuclear war, even a war between the russian federation and the united states, it was believed that the russian federation could attack american military facilities in europe, both with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, maybe even with the use of strategic nuclear weapons, but we are talking about american bases on the european continent. now

the head of the russian foreign policy department makes it clear to the americans that strategic nuclear strikes can be directed into the heart of america, turning its cities and military facilities into incinerators. of course, these are absolutely fantastic, utopian words. but put yourself in the shoes of the president of the united states, the secretary of state of the united states, the secretary of defense of the united states, who are forced to consider this possibility. well, that means russia. blackmail works one way or another, which means that the americans are quite careful, because they have on one side, i would say, on one side, on the one side of ensuring international law, the survival of ukraine as a sovereign state, we are not even talking with you about the restoration territorial integrity, just about the survival of ukraine and the ukrainian people in those territories where ukrainians originally lived is, i would say, an even more urgent task today than any other, because now we are talking... not about territorial integrity and

restoration, but about whether there will be ukraine or not, and whether ukrainians will be there, say, at the beginning of the 30s, at all, this is clear, so that it becomes clear what we are fighting for, not for us to enter donetsk yalta, but for the fact that in lviv or uzhhorod there is still a memory of ukrainians in general, this is what putin wants, russia and ukraine have completely different tasks in this war. so, on one, on one, on one. on one side, this situation of preserving ukrainian statehood, on the other side, the possibility of a real nuclear war with russian strikes on america, and someone will say: listen, they are not crazy to do such a thing, we, they understand that we will be able to answer them , well , we can, it will be easier for us if we answer them, if, say, there is not only half of new york, but also half of moscow, what will we get out of it? well, that's the question which any sober minded. a politician

is asked, all the more, let's remember that the value of human life in the united states and in europe is many times higher than in the post-soviet space, and even for politicians, not only for society, but also for politicians, it has always been so, that is why druga the world war was won precisely at the expense of the fact that the value of human life in the soviet union was equal to zero, and therefore the allies could calmly watch as joseph stalin and his marshals marshaled victory. the death marshals overthrow the reich by the corpses of their compatriots, and that's all, it is also necessary to understand what they come from. regarding the american context, i would like to remind you that the elections are still going on in the united states of america, and two candidates, kamala harris and donald trump, are competing there. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy, said that he would hand over

the plan for the victory of ukraine to both candidate teams. on the other hand, trump said that he does not like the ukrainian offensive in the kursk region of russia. he says it could lead to world war iii. well, trump is here, like they say, absolutely in his role, there is nothing strange in such statements from him, but kamala haris, the vice president of the united states, she gave. the first extended interview, and in this first extended interview she did not mention ukraine. mr. vitaly, you and i have repeatedly talked for many months about the fact that ukraine is not the main topic of the election campaign in the united states of america. but, despite this, for example, trump mentions ukraine, well, if not at every rally, then at least.

much more often than a candidate from of the democratic party, and very often, if we talk about these statements, mentions well in such a not too positive connotation for us. how do you assess these, these two actions of the candidates, trump's statement that he does not like such actions of ukraine, and with the silence or silence on the part of haris, after all, the war that continues in ukraine, whether it is right and why it continues to do so trump? well, kamela harris, like any ot... seasoned politician works with technologists, and she clearly understands what topics are important to the american audience, her main task right now, to win the election for the president of the united states, to stop donald trump, and that's not an easy task, given the way the situation in the united states has been in general

with this election campaign, and with the way president joe biden has gone and so on, i have no doubt that when, if kamala hadnis wins the presidential election. states, it will be a continuation of biden's policy. perhaps ukraine will not occupy such a place in her own political program, as ukraine occupied a place in biden's program, because ukraine was personally important to biden. as you know, he was involved in ukraine back in the days when he was the vice president of the united states in the administration of barack obama. i'm not talking about his many years of career, which was connected with this, i would say, in rivalry with dictatorships, since the time of the yugoslav war, when... senator biden was one of the supporters of american weapons were supplied to bosnia and herzegovina so that bosnia and herzegovina could resist belgrade, so this is part of the political for him, i would said visionaries. kamela harris has had a completely different political career, and she now

focuses primarily on domestic political issues once, and then she very much needs to walk, so to speak, on the edge of showing support for israel on the one hand, and on the other. without scaring off those radical anti-israel democratic voters who believe that israel's response to the bandit raid by hamas on october 7 last year was excessive, and that was the theme of kamela's interview khairis, we saw the first interview, such a big interview together with the vice president with the candidate for vice president, but as for donald trump, i wouldn't say that he mentions ukraine, andriy, i would say that he mentions russia. for him, ukraine was, is and will be just this, i would say, an unpleasant barrier to improving relations with russia and establishing close personal relations with putin, and by the way, just today, it seems to me at a rally in pennsylvania, if i'm not

wrong, i even watched it literally before on our air, this is me... uh, i 'll tell you this, where, where, where was this rally, yes, in pennsylvania there was this, there was another rally, and here i will quote trump last for you, people they say, oh, trump treated russia well, no, i didn't treat russia well, but you know, being friends with russia is good, it's right, but conflicting with them is bad, here's trump's statement, being friends with russia - that's good not bad, it's smart, remember that, and what prevents you from being friends with russia? ukraine, that is why trump does not mention ukraine, he mentions russia, such people as putin, like kim jong-un, has always caused

him sincere admiration, he said, for the scope of his powers. maybe that's what trump would dream of if he wasn't born in a democratic country, but i don't know what he dreamed of. in fact, i'm just saying that what is important in this case is not the plan that zelensky will propose, we already have a peace formula, we can have a plan for victory, again, to begin with, we need to determine what victory is in those conditions, in which we are now, because we have victory to restore territorial integrity - a fact, we have a victory not to surrender any more territories - a fact, we have a victory - to hold on to those territories of russia that we currently have under our control, a fact, we have a victory, not to freeze in winter, not to lose more a few million people who can leave here, a fact, a lot of victories, let's focus on some tactical to begin with, to achieve a strategic wash, uh, mr. vitaly, a few minutes and we will return to talking

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portnikov, and we continue to discuss the main events of the current week, the most important and most relevant for our country and the world. another topic, if we are talking about putin, if we are talking about such an international aspect, including putin. gathered in mongolia, it was officially announced, the russian mongolian mass media also announced it, but mongolia is actually a member of the international criminal court, not a member of the international criminal court, but ratified the rome statute, and this means that de facto, if you follow international law, it has for... putin, because a warrant has been issued for him by the very same international criminal court, but putin

has gathered there, and we see that mongolia is allegedly not going to arrest putin, this is also stated by their officials, and here indeed putin is once again trying to create a certain international political precedent, a precedent, a violation of international law. and the precedent that putin absolutely does not care about the same international right to recognized conventions to decide international courts, etc. mr. vitaly, here is this voyage, this action of putin, it really pushes, in fact, to such thoughts, yes, that putin in this way, in this way wants to demonstrate his indifference and in fact

the impotence of international law, yes, as far as i understand, well you you know, even in the first days after the arrest warrant was issued for vladimir putin and the commissioner for human rights of the russian federation maria lvovai, many people said that putin was incredibly scared, that now he would be isolated, that he would not be able to go anywhere, and where he is arrested and where he is not arrested, and for me these were such children's conversations, because from a political point of view, of course , this order is important, but you just need to be aware of putin's psychology, putin is the main thing. is to subvert international law, and he is looking for excuses to subvert international law and show that he is above international law, and this is the pretext in the form of this arrest warrant, he really gave him the opportunity to act like that, because you remember , that in moscow they were incredibly dissatisfied when, say, the then yugoslavia issued its

the former dictator slobodan milosevic to the hague tribunal, and this and then, that is, when the radovans were issued. radkomladich was born, eventually found by the law enforcement system, but this was all serious, i would say, such a blow to the image of russia regarding the sovereignty of the country, which it supports, but russia itself, of course, it must show that it is above the court, it is absolutely obvious thing, and putin began to look for opportunities, i would say, to spit in the face of the judges of the international criminal court. literally from the first weeks after received this body. remember, he wanted to go to the brics summit in 2023 to the south african republic. he blackmailed the south african president , cyril ramaphosa, but there was also a moment when his predecessor, in the position of president, jacob zuma. he invited

the then president to the african union summit in pretoria. sudano al-bashar, for whom a warrant was also issued, and albashar arrived, but the pretoria court demanded his arrest, and he literally fled the south african republic with the help of jacob zum. however , it was also very important for the president of sudan to come to a country that ratified the rome statute. it's just that this visit didn't go the way he expected. he still had to interrupt it before the deadline. putin spoke with... fosu, as romaphosa himself reported, literally every day. ramophosa then took the completely unprecedented step of a court in south africa releasing a transcript of his interrogation over a possible invitation to putin, in which romophosa said putin had threatened him even by military action, if he comes, the south african republic

will arrest him. and when that transcript was released, that's how ramaphosa showed up. putin, that he does not have control over the legal system of the republic of south africa, and yes, i can invite you, but if the court decides to arrest you, then of course i cannot do anything, it is a very dangerous moment, and putin decided not to go there and put to the proposal previously made by cyril lamaphosa that he would send serhiy to johannesburg lavrova, and then, of course. when there were summits in brazil, different in india, putin no longer tried to go there, because he realized that, say, the president of brazil, lulu dasileva, or the prime minister of india , narendra modi, they do not control their own judicial system, this is a problem, the problem is not just to agree with the head of some state, it is the problem that this head may be powerless before the courts, do you remember

andriy that in brazil lula dasilva himself was in prison, that is... the court system after he left the post the president, proved to be capable of imprisoning him himself, then acquitting him, that is, there is an independent court in brazil, but this is dangerous, of course, which means that a country that ratifies the rome statute and at the same time will control the court was needed, and preferably not a country of the post-soviet space, like us we understand, and here we found mongolia, why mongolia right now, mongolia right now... such a historical moment, when the mongolian people's party is in power in mongolia, the heir of the mongolian people's revolutionary party, well, first of all, the mongolian people's party, and the party itself, which was created essentially by the russians. by the bolsheviks to create such, i would say, fictitious independence of mongolia from china in the 20s of the last century, and this pro-soviet party ruled mongolia until

1900, it seems there is 93, this is the famous horological party of choibalsan, yumjagin, tsedembala and the current president of mongolia ukhnaagin khoreltsukh, who invited putin to ulaanbaatar, is a native of this party, he headed its youth organization back in the, i would say, late communist times. and this a person who, that is, perfectly understands the weight of russia in mongolian political and economic life and, moreover, maneuvers between ulaanbaatar, ulaanbaatar maneuvers between moscow and beijing, and it is absolutely obvious that neither russia nor china, any detention of putin was absolutely unprofitable, and it is obvious, that in a situation where the president of mongolia is from the mongolian people's party, the prime minister, the parliamentary majority, there is control over the judicial system, putin can be... confident that nothing will threaten him in mongolia, he needs to go there go from this point of view. he chose this, i would say, unexpected reason for the trip,

it's the 85th anniversary of the battle of kahlengol, it seems, and it's also an absolutely incredible story, because there were actually two armies to fight there, the armies of the manchegou state, which was created by the japanese in the occupied chinese territory, and the army of the mongolian people's republic, which was created largely by the russians, not the occupied chinese territories, because from the point of view of international law, the territory of the mongolian people's republic, well, until recognition mongolia was considered by most countries of the world to be the territory of china, until it was recognized by china itself, for example, practically the only state at the time of the battle of halkingol that recognized the independence of mongolia was the soviet union, and also the tuvinian people's republic, i'm sorry, which then completely disappeared from the political map of the world. axed by stalin and the only state that recognized the independence of manche was japan, and therefore it was a war of the soviet japanese

army, and therefore at the congress of the cpsu after this war, george gave a speech in cambrai zhukov, and not at all some mongolian warlord. by the way, it was this battle that began the military career of the future marshal zhukov. but what does this mean that putin still needs to support this myth, because it was one of the most popular myths before 1941, stalinist myths, hulkingol, spain, finland, these are all such myths of war, these are all stories for which the heroes of soviet union, by the way, zhukov received the first star of the hero of the soviet union, for hulkingol, as it will sound paradoxically today, precisely zahalkingol and... this is also an illustration of soviet history that putin really needs, so i remembered now these four stars of zhukov, the first for halkingol, the next two for the second

world war, and the fourth for the hungarian uprising for its destruction, here is the whole marshal grukov, such a story, when a person who fights with hitler receives the first star in the war of puppet armies, and the last one for destruction. freedom of the people who rose up against soviet tyranny, well, i think it is very eloquent, so that is why putin is still going, because he can humiliate the international criminal court, he can, as you and i understand very well, also show the power of this soviet myth, and he can set a precedent, because if he comes and goes back to moscow, then everyone will say: well, mongolia invited putin, well and what happened, and nothing happened, what did this international criminal court of mongolia did, did nothing, could not do anything, you see, this is the whole story, this is a precedent and after that,

maybe other countries that signed the rome statute ratified him, they will be able to calmly to invite putin and not only putin, this is an incredible story, to be honest, and we understand that international law works in these conditions exactly when, if you want, when... you yourself want to adhere to it, this is the essence of international law, therefore the world is divided between the world of democracy and dictatorships, between the world of countries that support democracy, between the world of countries that support dictatorship, that is, mongolia is a democratic country, absolutely, a country in which the government has repeatedly changed, a country in which there have been popular uprisings, a country in which people fought for their right to fair elections, but its authorities are supported by russia and china. two dictatorial regimes, one imagines, it is possible to be a conditionally democratic country and cooperate with dictatorships, here is a great example for you, this is how the world is divided,

such conditions are created for war. svitsov and putin - one of the active, i would say, players who provokes this svitsov war, and who creates completely new rules of behavior, that is, you can completely disrespect international law, you can sign documents and have nothing to do with them, that is russia ratified a great agreement with ukraine, in which our territorial integrity was recognized together with crimea, and donbas and all other regions, and what, then they took back all their words that it was not not her and not with her, because... and in the government has changed in kyiv, now it is possible to annex ukrainian territories, well , here is the whole essence of the russian approach to law, and it wants to broadcast this approach to other peoples. one more topic, mr. vitaly, that i would like to discuss with you, a topic that had a great, high resonance, including among ukrainian society, but this is a topic.

also absolutely has an international, international context. the subject is telegram. pavel durov, the founder and de facto head of the telegram social network, was detained in france. he spent several days under arrest, but has now been released on bail in the amount of 5 million. actually, various investigative actions, including court actions, are currently taking place. durov is accused of a whole series of violations of french legislation, as far as i understand, there are also violations of european legislation union, well, if it is so in the general context, we are talking about the fact that telegram is a closed social network that does not actually share data that needs to be shared with states, that actually supports certain terrorist movements, in particular through the prism of

not disclosing information , does not block. some channels and so on and the like, there are a lot of accusations, starting from the distribution of drugs, ending again with the fact that telegram is actually a social network that supports those elements, those subjects that are prohibited in france, well, but less, however, we understand that this also imposes a context on our state, because we have telegram in ukraine. is extremely common, it imposes a context on the russian-ukrainian war, because both russians and ukrainians use telegram, well, it imposes its context on global information security in general, because a lot of people have spoken about it, starting with ilon musk, who began to defend durov , ending, by

the way, the feast. of the russian federation and russian propagandists, russian citizens who also went to the break protect the telegram social network. mr. vitaly, this is the context of what is happening, why this issue is being raised right now, why, apparently, russia protects durov so much, well... and what further actions do you expect in relation to the citizen as a russian, yes, as far as i understand about united arab emirates and france, mr. duro? well, look, i think that all of this is again part of this big war that's global, because you brought up this story so well, and you know that there's a story with musk right now that

twitter. ex twitter network x now blocked in brazil ugh ugh and to twitter in brazil these are the ones i would say the claims that the west has against telegram that we have against telegram is mass disinformation absolutely i i would say planned and completely unregulated, which has a very strong effect on brazilian society, because in brazil twitter itself is the main network for obtaining information, as in ukraine, it is now the main network. twitter, twitter is not that popular here, twitter used to be, i mean, popular here telegram, but the essence of both networks, one after the purchase by musk, the second, after the one created by the durov brothers, is absolutely the same, it is the uncontrollable distribution of information and its anonymity, it is the fact that information...