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espresso in the evening. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news feed reports on them. however, it was not enough to know what was happening. it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat at 22:00. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. we come back and immediately add our next one the interlocutor, if she is with us, tell me, yes, mrs. iryna fries, people's deputy of ukraine, congratulations, mrs. iryna, good morning, iryna, i will start with the scandalous dismissal of the head of ukrenergo kudrytskyi, at least this is reported by various sources, in particular. deputy zheleznyak, that

an urgent meeting of the board was held yesterday, and four votes against two, two independents voted against, kudrytskyi was released. you know, i see a lot of such, to a certain extent , even desperate comments, for example mykhailo gonchar, a well-known expert, wrote an economist about the same thing compared it to a blow to energy, to energy security. no less than what russian rockets inflict, and this is a blow from the internal enemy, that’s what he said, a style blow through the agency of influences, here others write that it is the same, well svyatoslav pavlyuk writes that it is a spit in the face of the west, someone says , that this is simply mockery and destruction of one of the very important corporate governance reforms, what is your assessment, your colleagues from the faction, will it be assessed in any way? we actually share

the opinion of the experts, yes, that you named because they talk about the real state of affairs and the consequences that can be expected from such personnel decisions, on the other hand, you and i are in a situation where the internal enemy is really an internal enemy through a network of agents of influence, yes, which allow through the formation of the so-called... internal the enemy to cause significant losses to the economy, significant losses to the security of our state, unfortunately, this unfortunate situation would be desirable to have appropriate reactions from the security service of ukraine, and it is desirable that when making any personnel decision, or appointment or dismissal, our government was guided by clear arguments and... not

by personal likes, dislikes, or generally self-interested intentions. uh, if we continue the topic of kudrytskyi, more specifically, energy, do you have any general questions about the work of the ministry of energy, which some call the ministry of de derkacha. yes, in general, there are a lot of questions for the ministry, and you know that at the penultimate hour of the government session, there were a lot of questions before this. minister, who by and large did not give any reasoned or professional answer, that is, it is obvious that this person, whose deputies are undergoing corruption cases, should bear responsibility for all appointments, for everything that happens in this ministry, for the fact that our energy facilities still remain unprotected, for the fact that they are hit by the enemy. and

nothing is being done all this time, we are entering the autumn-winter period with you, which will be extremely difficult for our state, for our citizens, and such irresponsibility, it already causes. just non-perception, it demands responsibility for inaction the heads of this ministry, the head of this ministry with everything that happens in the energy sector of the state. mariana bezugla wrote 10 hours ago that european solidarity does not want to block the tribune in order to adopt the sbu reform, change the status of the armed forces, the military police. create, install captain commanders, pass a law on weapons and so on, but they are hindered by a lot, they are ready to block the tribune in order to exclude it from the national defense committee, i don't know what this has to do with, there will be some

blocking, and what do you think about bezuzno in general, and to catch up with all of that , we've seen the recent sudden, maybe not sudden release. the resignation of the head of the military, the head of the air force, leshchuk, took place after yet again a public quarrel between him and olyshchuk, who responded and told her, calling her a misinformer. i will say this, as early as january, the national security, defense and intelligence committee, in which i work, made a decision to recall her from the position of deputy chairman of the committee and to recall her. it is generally from the members committee, at the same time, despite the fact that the chairman of the committee, zavitnevich, is a representative of the servant of the people faction, submits this resolution to be included in the agenda, it is blocked, blocked at the level of the speaker and blocked at the level of the leader of the monomajority and opzh, that is, it

is happening today faction , the conciliation council, and right now there is again a discussion of the destructive presence of this person in the national security, defense and intelligence committee, because her behavior, to put it mildly, is not ethical behavior that she engages in, in fact is used very efficiently by the enemy and poses significant risks and threats to our security as a whole. i am sure that her continued presence in the committee will lead to a complete blocking of the committee's activities, because as of now, the military and the military leadership do not want to come. to committee meetings or even participate in them online, because this young lady is starting to make the recordings, audio recordings of the discussion of the agenda issues public, i want to remind you that she is doing this during martial law, and she is doing it by making the recordings public

of the committee on national security and defense, no matter how stormy discussions we had in the committee, no one, none of the members of the committee like him with the resolution... allowed total destructive behavior, therefore european solidarity, as a consistent faction, continues to demand its withdrawal from members of the national security and defense committee in order to unblock the activities of the specialized committee during martial law and the opportunity to provide constructive cooperation of the parliamentary committee for the implementation of democratic civilian control, even in under the conditions of war over the sector... security and defense, what is it doing, leaking sensitive information, or even records now during the war? i think, you know, this question should be answered by the security service of ukraine, which has the appropriate powers to investigate such actions, which, from my point

of view, have the characteristics of helping the enemy achieve his goals, so from my point of view... sight of this person, even if he is used by someone there who crushes him and continues to leave him in the committee and in the parliament, she acts in the interests of the enemy, okay, okay, i don’t want to be here, i want to be more precise in my statements and not offend anyone, but from my personal communication with ms. mariana bezugla, because i also had him, and from a lot of records remarks who know well, there is always the question of what is possible and also necessary, maybe, maybe some other examination is needed, which would, well, maybe she, she has some kind of stress disorder, maybe some depressive disorders, this, this, this, this too may simply be a basis for understanding whether

a person may be in a state of health right now, for example, to be on such a defense committee, at the moment, i don't know, i'm just asking a question. you know, i don't want to resort to diagnosticians, i'm not a doctor, but i clearly emphasize that maryana is no longer responsible for her actions. and those who continue to block consideration of the relevant resolution of the national security and intelligence committee on its withdrawal from its members, those who block it 100%, must have some destructive goals of their own in order to to use in one way or another such activity, such activity, which actually discredits the military and... is really aimed at only one thing: to try to create public distrust of

the military and to lower the level of support for the military. i believe that whoever acts in this way, and whoever indulges, and whoever exploits, are equally committing a crime against our state, because today whoever forms the lines of division is actually helping the enemy to achieve them . bloody goals, the one who rubs the corners and continue to do its destructive activities, does no less evil than the bezula herself, well, actually, i meant it, that maybe she is completely sincere and does not have any evil, evil intentions, and the question is simply whether it is always there is, is it always useful what is happening around her, her stormy activities, ms. irina, i will also ask about the intentions of... increase the funding of the army, do we still have money for this, where do we get these reserves? firstly,

to stop stealing, and secondly, to be transparent mechanisms for the distribution of those funds that the state able to collect today. 100% not only because of the increase in taxes, which is proposed to be done today, but exclusively because of the mechanisms that will contribute to both the work of the economy and the provision of the security and defense sector. i want to emphasize that... even in the 21st, on the eve of a large-scale invasion, it was european solidarity that demanded an increase in funding for the defense security sector, an increase in funding for the armed forces of ukraine, and the restoration of the missile program, but then all the dogs were hung on us with the fact that we arrange panic and do not understand anything, also our very understanding led to the fact that we spoke about the fact that the state should prepare, as of now we again emphasize that it is necessary to stop... stop introducing corruption schemes, money can be found from the gaming business, which is better

to tax than citizens, money can be found from other formats that allow reorientation now to their reorientation to the security and defense sector, but without 100% taxing all working people, relatively speaking, with additional taxes, increasing them by 200 times, yes, that is, if, for example, we are talking about the military levy, which was 1.5% for all officially employed, then the government now proposes to make it 5% for all officially employed. we understand that there will be a flywheel of inflation, we understand that this flywheel of inflation will unfortunately be fueled by the turning on of the machine and the additional emissions that can lead to runaway inflation, so in this context i am convinced that before we try to... stupid, sorry, to raise taxes, it was necessary to qualitatively analyze our expenses, find an opportunity to withdraw from those

industries that today do not need incentives, including the so-called industrial parks that enjoy crazy benefits, and direct everything to the defense security sector, because the front today requires maximum attention and maximum consolidation of everyone and everything , i am in this plan. one more question, i ask, from what botusov writes, one of the reasons why the enemy is advancing now, one of the only reasons why the enemy is advancing, but which was supposed to be decisive in the pokrovsky direction, is that that there are not enough drones, he writes that according to the estimates of the battalion commanders who are currently fighting there, the state provides only 10% of daily needs, 10% of daily needs, we are collecting now, we are having a hard time with this collection, we are already collecting . a month and we will collect and send a few drones, but this will not be enough for a long time, we understand that, i will just remind you

that on december 19 last year, on mykolaiv, in the old style, president zelenskyi gave a press conference, where he said, in particular, that ukraine will produce 1 million drones next year , the state makes such an order, and they will be sent to the front. where are these million drones, does anyone even control how this happens. the military personal income tax from the communities did not lead to its high-quality use, because the ministry of stratprom, and the ministry of statistics and others, are all involved in the distribution of this huge pie, which the state government took from the territorial communities, good day, yes, good day, so that in we have a connection,

now, now, ms. irina, we have some problem with the connection, please solve it, yes. can we try to reconnect now, tell me so we can finish the thought, let me remind you that we are trying to answer the question of where are the million drones, because according to the idea , the ninth month has already passed today, accordingly, well, at least somewhere, i don't know, there should already be 700 thousand of these drones on the front, now it is estimated that the enemy 800 thousand, that's with all the groups, engineer troops, with everyone in ukraine, 800 thousand, that is, for everyone somewhere... there should be about one drone somewhere, probably this could and would be enough to end the war, that there with those drones, we don't know, so what are we returning to the lady irina, there is, ms. irina, please continue, for some reason the sound disappeared, i don’t know why it disappeared, i will start by saying that i proved my inability

to qualitatively develop the resource that was taken from the territorial communities, i mean the military personal income tax, we see , that... the ministry of statistics, the ministry of strategy and industry, which were involved in the distribution of this huge piece, actually did not manage to provide our armed forces of ukraine with quality, efficiency and time, and there are really huge complaints that they either purchase very little, meagerly, and yuriy butusov in this context in interest the ratio is almost correct, or they are not buying what is needed, that is, not of good quality, and in this context, we again return to the fact that the military personal income tax should not have been taken away, it should have... been left to the brigades, which, together with the territorial communities, had the opportunity to use it to provide for their own needs with what they consider necessary in order to repel the enemy, therefore, from this context , 500 billion are really needed, now they are proposing to increase taxes by some 30 billion, which 100% will not save the situation, therefore

completely different approaches are needed, and the provision of the army today requires the work of all spheres and... sectors of our state, that is, without exception, so we once again return to the fact that the decisions made, unfortunately, lead to negative results, and not to the fact that it is centralized, it is someone who somehow quickly and effectively distributed the military pdf, that is the testimony, thank you for this conversation, for the comment, iryna fries, people's deputy of ukraine was with us on the air, thank you, and now we will immediately move on to more and... news again faster economy, laneskhodovsky will be with us, let's talk, let's talk again about, in particular, once again the dismissal of kudrytskyi, the head of ukrenergo, why are we talking about this so much, someone in the audience is now saying, well, there are some thieves one will steal from another, well i will now forward this question to our expert, ilyaneshudovsky , who is already with us, the head of the analytical direction

of the ans network, mr. ilya, congratulations, good day. in the media of responsible independents, a lot of people are now writing about the resignation and dismissal of kudrytskyi, this happened after zelensky criticized his work on the stage and demanded his dismissal, the problem here was that due to the fact that he was elected in our country through a competition, neither the president nor the government could fire him, but they found a way out, talked, somehow came to an agreement with the supervisors council, with members, and only two independents voted against, the rest appointed by the cabinet voted. for resignation, i would say so, one independent voted for dismissal, one independent, i.e. all independents, only one could be excused, all state accordingly voted for the dismissal, of course according to the instructions, as we see it, and accordingly received the necessary number of votes for the dismissal, there is such a simple saying, let's call it that, that they said, well listen, well, one thief will

steal another, and what's the difference , well, i don't agree... first of all, with such a thesis, this is the most important thing, and you need to understand what and what challenges faced our energy and starting from the first day of the invasion, this is also the issue of the first days, when we were actually wanted we succeeded in making an energy collapse to switch to the european energy system, to connect to it, and this gave us the opportunity to just endure, and then there was a very difficult winter of 2000. 22-23 years, again , if we speak objectively, no other energy system would simply could withstand such blows, we were able to withstand and. there were blackouts, they were objective as a result of these strikes, it was not possible to recover quickly, but they recovered and accordingly ensured the functioning of our

economy, and finally, for example, now when these strikes are carried out on our energy, again, this is a rather difficult, but important work, to launch it again and again, and at the same time, if we are going to talk about the protection of our energy facilities, then let's basically look at another on other bodies, first of all, if protection is not provided, then the dismissal is directly subject to the minister himself, he is responsible for effectively using the funds, directing them according to the goals, controlling how these funds are used, but at the same time he continues to be in office. his deputy is caught for bribes, and he constantly has corruption scandals with... energoatom, and at the same time he remains in office, so we consider, as i see the expert environment, this is precisely not a matter of

increasing the efficiency of our energy system , on the contrary, put your own person, understanding that ukrenergo simply disposes of tens of billions of hryvnias, and also receives billions in aid from our international partners, and another such important argument - this is precisely the letter that appeared the day before from the ambassadors of the european union, international organizations there, who warned against such a decision, directly stating that it jeopardizes the receipt of international aid, but it did not stop zelensky, but it did not stop zelensky, it absolutely did not stop, that's right me constantly, the country is in a state of war, the energy plant is being shelled. the system, the international community, it functions at the expense of international support, our international partners say, don't do it, this is a person performing his functions

as it is necessary, and we give him billions of euros every year to save your situation, it is absolutely true, and they say directly, accept this decision, there will be no money, now the question is for all ukrainians, are you ready to freeze from such a decision, are you ready not to to be without electricity for whole days? therefore , the experts who felt, respectively, such a decision, which clearly does not set a precedent for improving the situation in our energy system, and accordingly, now very much, let's say, not that even outraged, now we understand that even if the shelling of russia continues, but they will 100% continue and will still be on those objects, because of the transformers that are under the stations, that are near the nuclear... power plants, turning off the nuclear power plants, well, it will be a collapse, so in this context, i understand that this decision is not based on efficiency, this decision

is based precisely on the control of financial flows. er, svyatoslav pavlyuk called it a spit in the face of our european allies, will our european allies tolerate it, or will the authorities count on the fact that, listen, they won't to freeze ukrainians, they will give... the money will not go anywhere, i strongly doubt it, i apologize, but i strongly doubt why, because no one will give money to rob them, you understand, the help that was provided by the european partners constantly monitored, controlled, came with the relevant commissions, monitored their use, and they did not have a single question about how their aid was used, while there are a lot of questions for... directly to the minister himself, one of the heads of the main intelligence control directly pointed out that there was, there is such a traitor,

a jerk, and the minister of the ministry of energy, he called the ministry a jerk, in fact he called him dependent on the jerk himself, that is, the connections remain, there are places to look for treason, and definitely not where was conducted... thank you very much for this expert assessment. lana skhodovskyi was with us the head of the analytical center for the direct anz network, but we are going on a short break, stay with us. tired of the mess in the kitchen, constantly having to sort through a bunch of pans to find the right one. you need seavory pro set, unpack the tv. savory pro pans stack inside each other and take up so little. and the price is only from uah 999. the saivory pro set is five pans from one to 9 liters with lids for any occasion. use them on the stove and even

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