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the information war chronicle project with olga ley. tuesday, thursday at 17:15, repeat, tuesday, friday at 22:00. the information day of the tv channel in rospol, well, the most tragic today's news is an enemy ballistic missile attack on poltava, more than four dozen people were killed, 180 people were injured, the enemy fired two ballistic missiles almost into the center of this regional city. well, long live the memory of the dead, and we... will inform you about all the most important things. yes, in the meantime, we are now adding igor hobchak, deputy head of the state agency of water resources of ukraine, to eter. we will talk with him about the threatening situation in the north of our country, namely the pollution of the sem and desna rivers. sir

igor, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, have a good day. well, last week there was a mass poisoning. the seim river later stretched and the desna, we understand that the seim flows into the desna, into the seima, the situation was literally tragic, yes, that is, tons, i am not talking about dozens of tons, but tons of dead fish, a strange black coating or some black sediments, perhaps there is already an understanding of what poisoned the diet, how it all looked in your opinion. well, in our country, the state water agency, together with the state environmental inspection of ukraine, carried out daily measurements, monitoring of the surface waters of the seim river and, later, of the dysna river. monitoring showed that chemical pollution

is within normal limits, but organic pollution, that is, chemical oxygen consumption exceeds, and oxygen fell when. oxygen at the norm of 4 mg of oxygen per liter, now there is less than one mg, that is, the presence of organic substances is felt, which causes a specific smell, color and oxygen consumption in water, due to the fact that this organic substance is oxidized, and what kind of organic substance is it substance, forgive us, we are no longer alone day we are fighting with the duly authorized representatives of our state in order to find out what... what kind of organic substances are these, whether it is possible to establish them with the help of chemical analysis, so what kind of organic substances are they? well , an organic substance can be the remains of the production of a poultry farm, a sugar factory, that is, where organic matter itself is present, it

is not a chemical element, it is just organic particles, living bacteria and so on, those that can cause negative... phenomena in surface waters, since they consume, their oxidation requires a large amount amount of oxygen, we already have a limited period, warm weather, it is not enough, it is in nature during this period of time and so there is less water in the river than usual, and when the temperature rises, the oxygen in the water decreases, here we still have such an unusual the situation, that is, the pollution has arrived, the current origin, where it comes from we can't say, but we know for sure that it is in the seim river and it is now moving along the desna river, we know where it originates, how it moves, but we don't know where its end, because the situation itself across the plane, the river is polluted with this organic matter, and the concentration of this organic matter,

as high as it is, yes, because the local residents talked about black water and black sediment in large quantities, in particular, what concerns the diet. well, look , the low level of dissolved oxygen continues to be recorded, indicators of chemical oxygen consumption, they exceed the norm by three to four times, that is, if cfc is chemical oxygen consumption, the norm is 30 mg of o2 per decimeter, then now 90, 120 can be so further. and why did i catch the fish, well, i didn’t die there until the end, but this has already been banned. to sell, there is information, what raids have started to do in local markets, so we understand, well, if the fish is simple, so to speak, from organic matter, well, and from a lack of oxygen - that’s one story, if everything is clean, then why is it so harsh the law enforcement officers work with that fish from the diet and from the dena,

because when the fish gets caught alive in the store and they know about the state trade union there and so on, that it died there, its chemicals were frozen and it is also sold on the counter - this is one story, and when the fish was brought and they said that it recently, yes, it’s really strange that it’s recently, but who can tell by its appearance, whether it was recently, how many hours ago, or it’s been lying there for a day, and you understand that there may already be processes and various microorganisms start up, and when rotting begins, we may not notice it yet, but poisoning of the human body can lead to, well, look, the story has been going on for two weeks and i would like to understand how people live in sumy oblast and chernihiv oblast, whether this water migrates with this one. . substance somehow by region, along the course of the river, it should somehow move

towards the ukrainian capital, and i would like to understand what steps are being taken so that, firstly, this water does not get into the dnipro river, and the second question is, how are the residents of chernihiv oblast and sumy oblast living now, or the situation in sumy oblast is becoming easier, it is becoming more difficult in chernihiv oblast, is the situation in sumy oblast the same now as in chernihiv oblast, well... there is a slight increase in dissolved oxygen in sumy oblast, but it is still not enough, it is simply increasing in comparison with the one it was at the beginning, when it was completely absent, the unpleasant smell decreases, the more or less natural color of the water is restored, the level of chemical oxygen consumption has almost returned to normal, and there is a sea of ​​fish, there is already a sea of ​​fish and that has already happened, you can fish from there now is it still not possible, no, of course it is not possible, because it is me you will hear, i am saying that... a slight improvement, but an improvement of that negative state, that is, it has not yet reached the norm, but the only plus is

that within there are no drinking water intakes in the sumy chernihiv region, that is, the impact on there is no danger of drinking water intakes for people, people, people are all warned, territorial communities are warned that fishing is prohibited, bathing is prohibited, watering vegetables with this water, watering livestock is prohibited, i.e. people are warned signs. novleni, we just have to survive this situation, it's not something like radiation or highly toxic, chemical pollution that can have a detrimental effect on the entire surrounding environment, it's just that the body itself is polluted at the moment, the water body of the river, polluted by organic matter, which leads to these tiring phenomena. mr. igor, but we understand that not all people are conscious and someone can, you know, quietly... secretly try to somehow catch that fish, and water something with that water, and so on, what

effect can it actually have on the state of health? i use such water, will it be some kind of food poisoning, mild, or could it be some more serious illness? it will primarily affect the gastrointestinal tract, you are right, because bacteria, because various decay, the remains of this. it is correct to say, corpse remains of fish, and this not only fish, it's all the biota that was in the water environment, it's cancer, and molluscs, and so on, that is, it can lead to acute poisoning, well, worse indicators, but it will not lead to deaths, well, look here, i'm not a doctor, i won't tell you for sure here, looking at the deadly ones, who can take how much, if they bathed and, god forbid , got into it when it was forbidden. a conscious person bathed and some drop got there and she poisoned the gastrointestinal tract there, she was given absorbents and

treated with medicine, that's one thing, and when someone left and i got drunk on that water, i don't know there, a certain volume of water can cause outright death there, i'm sorry, there was a video, you talked about the inhabitants of the immediate river, well, there are crayfish , fish and so on, but the beavers died, that is, they saw the corpses of beavers , which floated down the river, what could it be? connected, the consequences could have been different, but could buber, of course, he no longer breathes under water, he still breathes in the air, that is, from suffocation, he could not die from suffocation, but the fact that he could eat that fish, which was already she died a long time ago, if she has any in her already there are pathological bacteria there, these are products of decomposition, maybe so... it could be there, well here, maybe he died in the second situation, maybe another predator killed him there,

well here it is, clearly, clearly, clearly, mr. igor , look, i still wanted to ask you, and the pace of the restoration of the river and maybe some additional measures should be taken, i don’t know, there are some, maybe chemical impact systems are provided, there are some chemical reagents that would help speed up the cleaning of the rivers, this applies to both the diet and the senate. usually chemicals, absorbents and so on, work very well when there is a closed reservoir, standing water, when there is this process, when you can add oxygen. when you can introduce these reagents, and the river is a living dynamic system that is constantly in motion, that is constantly diluted, no matter how much reagent we introduce, it will move along the course of the river, it will be diluted, its influence will be, as they say, not significantly improve because the measures involved may not reveal what we expected results

may be, but you are telling the truth, reagents and so on, absorption. different sorbents must be provided, in our country, thank god, it so happened that there are no drinking water intakes in the sumy and chernihiv regions, the kyiv water intake already flows into the dnipro river on the right, there is also a brewery water intake there, so for the water supply there, it is necessary to prepare for the fact that that when the water approaches, it is usually diluted, there are other rivers and tributaries in the same place, and the samson river. three times as much as, excuse me, the river desna three times as much water as in the sam river, it also brings its own, that is, to improve the quality, and when this water-contaminated border approaches drinking water bodies, then it will be necessary to bring reagents already at the stations for cleaning or preparing water for additional sorbents and so on,

then it also brings it will be an effective measure. finally, mr. igor, roughly according to the pace. if we talk about, well, soon the temperature will drop, yes, because we have entered september, on the other hand , the rainy season will begin, well, and approximately when this is the process of self-cleaning, well, just with the flow of water, here all the concentration will fall and fall and fall, roughly when to expect it? you say everything correctly, it all depends on the environment, on environmental conditions, and the most important thing is the decline. temperature, the additional volume of water that will flow in, it is necessary for the temperature to fall, additional precipitation to fall, but at the moment we have flowed into the sumy region from our neighbors, the seim river, we are now observing, on the contrary, that this is as a result of the warming of our well, that is, the summer low, its inflow is still decreasing from the upper one

the flow of the seim river to the lower one, and most importantly , we do not see the end of this pollution, that is, it is not an oil slick, we see the beginning and the end, and we know how it moves and can predict where it will be in the next moment, how it will be localized there and will change, here we do not see the end, it is very difficult to say this period, it can be a week, two or three, but there are reasons to say that this was a deliberate action on the part of the russian federation, they can to repeat when we talk about the dumping of such organic matter. well, you know, it's hard here to say, because there is no evidence of where exactly, and what exactly and in what volume it came out, we know for sure that in 2011 exactly the same situation existed from a sugar factory in the russian federation, there was a leak, then things, well then the volume was not so much more, well , it was not as big as today, but the situation

was similar already, that is, i don't know, well, i can't say exactly what it is, but the situation... is very similar, that is, with production , organic pollution, yes, but from where exactly this is now impossible, if not for military actions, it is possible it would be more accurate to say. thank you, ihor hobchak, deputy head of the state water resources agency of ukraine, was in direct contact with us, they talked about the pollution of the seim and desna rivers, which have been polluted for the last two weeks, and unfortunately, so far the water has not returned to normal, it cannot be used. now we will have a short one. pause, please wait for us just a few minutes and we will come back to you, tired of the mess in the kitchen, constantly having to go through a bunch of pans to find the right one, you need savory pro set, unpack the tv, savevory pro pans fold into each other and

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the veterans who will be in... politics to be a subject and defend the values ​​for which he fought on the battlefield and shed his blood. thank you, ms. victoria, thank you for joining our broadcast. victoria oliynyk, a parliamentary analyst of the chesny movement, was in direct contact with us. it is now 16 o'clock on the clock, which means that it is news time and we are giving the floor to our colleague anievilnyk. congratulations, friend. a tragic day. we hope that you have updated information about the terrorist act that was committed. not by poltava, so we'll give you the floor. thank you, marta, the news editor will tell you about the most important things at this hour, in particular, what will happen to the light in winter, and of course, about everything that is known at the moment, after the attack of the muscovites on poltava. be with by us