war two years ago, and the nature of the war and the challenges facing the state now are completely different, then it was possible to put a whole series of issues on hold and say: after the war we will deal with them, but as it became obvious that the war will last long enough, then all these problems, which were put on hold, began to fall as if from pandora's box, since they are the reasons for the current low efficiency of the state apparatus and, accordingly, it is not capable. to gain that coefficient of useful action, efficiency that would allow us talk about the sure victory of ukraine, because state machines are competing in a long war, why do you think zelenskyi and his team refuse to create a government of national unity or a government that would allow for the distribution of responsibility, firstly, and secondly, to bring in other cadres, not only those that are in the current power. teams to the cabinet of ministers, and

to create a more powerful, more powerful, more powerful , more powerful, as president zelensky likes to say, government. well, i would solve the issue of political definition and national government unity, as a phenomenon of a political, and let's say, a technocratic government, or a government of national salvation, or something else you can call it. why, because if we are talking about a government of national unity, then in the classics of the genre it is formed from representatives of various political forces, but in conditions where the level of trust in the president is higher than the level of trust in the parliament, and the political forces are all together represented in the parliament today, the leaders are more antisympathetic than sympathetic, then to talk about the effectiveness of the government of national unity, which will be appointed by the parliament, which is quite seriously discredited in the eyes of society, moreover, undermined by the fact that

there is one political force that actually controls the agenda of the parliament, it is clear that it would look extremely strange, and in the end we would already literally in a matter of weeks, we would get a government of national discord instead of national unity, where, on the contrary, there was a shift of responsibility, the government would declare that it is the opposition that is to blame and that it is implementing the decision, and the opposition would shout that the government does not act and does not does what is necessary, but if we talk about the techno government. tical, or a government that is proportionate, would be today's challenge , which we face, not by appointment, let's say with banking, but with the selection of professionals, with high authority in society, that is, not the political nature of the formation of the government, but let's say technocratic , then for this it is necessary to return subjectivity to the government, the banking sector is obviously not ready for this, it is a need to change the current management architecture as a whole, and then a refusal to. of

the management and micromanagement regime, as it were were ready for this, then within the framework of the political model of appointment it would be possible to strengthen the ministries at the expense of authoritative and professionally strong ministers, but currently the current structure does not allow this to be done, at least because none of such persons, if we even now hypothetically called the name, they are not ready to go to ministerial positions, and then we see that the bench of the president's office, in the current government... it is not just short, but it is empty, but empty, empty places, to which no one is ready to come, because they understand that decisions are not made in the government, but to go to people who have a serious reputation, who have a serious name, who have connections, competences, etc., in a situation where they will bear responsibility for other people's mistakes, and they themselves will not be able to implement something that would correspond to their level of ambition, then it is clear that they will not do it, therefore the problem...

here is not in the formation of a unity government, but the problem in what needs to be carried out reinstitutionalization, it is necessary to figure out what the institutional balance should look like and institutional responsibility in the conditions of war with the preservation of a democratic agenda and democratic practices, but in conditions where a number of functions are centralized in one way or another, because we cannot return to the pre-war situation, it was not ideal, firstly, and secondly, it in the conditions of war it is simply inefficient. the conditions of a short war, when all power was concentrated in the hands, the role of the parliament, the government, etc. was not elected, it also exhausted itself, this model does not go further, accordingly , we need a third one, i would call renationalization, and now there are reshuffles in the government, they will show whether they are trying to make cosmetic changes and simply replace the surname, but not fundamentally change the model of relations between the government and other branches of government, or... the influence will go to

rebooting the system itself, and then the surname only will be the derivative. well, there is another personnel topic that is relevant today, which sounds like the dismissal of volodymyr kudrytskyi from the position of the head of the ukrenergo company. the supervisory board on monday voted for the dismissal of kudrytskyi. oleksandr kharchenko, director of the energy research center, expressed surprise at the dismissal of kudrytskyi. it is considered an illogical decision. let's listen to what kharchenko said. there was no public, at least no argument, why this process is taking place at all, and it is very difficult to assess it, what it is based on. in principle, as for how i evaluate the activity of the head of ukrenergo, i evaluate it very positively, what i saw, his leadership in joining the european energy grids, his leadership in the construction of physical protection, what he did

the company in order to collect the maximum resources for the restoration of the power system in a permanent mode, the 15 billion dollars provided by the partners. ukrenergo, which collected 500 million three times more than the rest of the industry, is for me, well, clear indicators of a person's efficiency, no one is perfect, but show me who in the ukrainian energy industry did more during the war for ukrainian energy, i, unfortunately, such i do not see a person, by the way, after the dismissal of kudretskyi, the head of the supervisory board of ukrenergo, daniel dobeny, and its member peder anderson submitted statements about early. termination of powers and they say that there was political pressure, how should we generally perceive these events that take place in wartime conditions and in war conditions, and personnel rotations that do not have

explanations, motivated explanations, there is only an opinion rates of the supreme commander-in-chief, but what about the question of the rate of the supreme commander-in-chief during the war? is this the body that decides whether kudrytskyi or another official there will be the head of the company or not? obviously not, it is difficult for me to assess the effectiveness of kudorivskyi's work, because no i have expertise in the field of energy, and accordingly i cannot say whether he was a high-quality or low-quality manager, the only thing i can testify to is that we did not see him among the participants in the key scandals, this is already an achievement of the ukrainian district. secondly, there is the position of the expert environment of the profile, which definitely does not advocate that he is part of evil, that is, at least we see that even the expert environment does not have any bright claims to him, it is definitely not what everyone associated with him key problems that

currently exist, that is, at least we can say that for sure he was not the worst manager, further there can be debates and evaluations from specialized specialists who can indicate what will be... the weaknesses, what the strengths, and in the end, according to the balance, what we have at the exit, but from the point of view of the the removal of mr. kodrytskyi, the problem here is not even the competences, but the problem in the procedure, and what was obviously now pressing for his dismissal, and it was a political decision that contradicts the nature of the reforms that were carried out from the point of view of corporatization of the sector and independent management and those obligations which ukraine took responsibility for our... western partners in the framework of, in particular , the unification of the energy grid, so this causes serious concern, and the fact that now two of the board members, in particular the chairman of the board, who are among independent foreign partners, were appointed to the board, then they go, and

they go clearly stating that they do not agree with such a decision and consider it wrong, it is, of course, scandalous and it will be extremely bad for the image of ukraine now. reputation, it can seriously undermine us, and for the authorities it will be a challenge in communications with by our partners, and for the society at the moment such withdrawal is not explained, it is not, it does not have an unambiguous positive assessment from the side, let's say the expert environment, so that the society would believe them, and it is clear from the authorities that there is a certain skepticism of the decisions of the authorities in the society , accordingly, it will be perceived negatively, therefore, in the dry balance, we have doubtful compliance. procedures for his removal, and we have a low level of confidence in such a decision, due to the scandalousness of the personnel policy of the authorities in general, therefore, without clarification, without explanation, without understanding who is being replaced and under what tasks, this is just another, another

situation that will add to a whole series of scandalous personnel changes, will this now lead to some kind of political crisis, a serious crisis in relations with partners, i think not, it’s just will be the next one. a blow that undermines the trust both within our state between societies and the authorities, and between the authorities and our partners, but we can still withstand such blows, there is still a margin of safety, and unfortunately, it will be... they will be abused, so that war nevertheless actualizes somewhat different challenges and creates a certain threshold of strangeness and in particular elements of self-censorship that are applied both by society and by our partners, and to some things, with gritted teeth, but nevertheless are ready to close their eyes, but this is also not war the excuse that we make some decisions without any explanation, without any communication with society, after all... uh, ukrainians are participating in the war, and they are fighting for their freedom and independence, including the right to know

whether the right to understand what is happening in the country. this is an abuse of trust, and it cannot last for a long time, accordingly, in what situation it can break, and every time it is a probing of the limit of what is permissible. it is obvious that the situation with ukrenergo is not so clear to the public that this will become the last straw in distrust of personnel. and so on, but it is clear that with such a step, the authorities are burning part of their resources and capital, which will end at a certain moment, and society will not be ready to turn a blind eye to everything. thank you, mr. oleg, it was oleg sahakyan, a political scientist, co-founder of the national platform of sustainability and cohesion. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel and continue to conduct a poll, which we ask you today, the question is: do you support renaming the penny to chess? well , i mean the proposal of the national bank to call small money in ukraine a shag, the historical name

of this small coin, and instead of a kopeck, which comes from the russians, so yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, write , please in the comments, if you watch us on tv or on other forms of television, then please take your smartphone or phone and vote by calling 0800 200. 11 381, if you support renaming the penny to chess, no, 0800 211 382. yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you and i am glad that you are with us today. congratulations, mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. zelensky is going to the united states of america. and according to the yakons, it is written today that zelensky will visit new york, where it will take place. conference of the un, the un general assembly, and

will try for the last time to convince the biden administration to allow the use of long-range missiles on the territory of the russian federation. at the end of last week, umerav and yarmak visited washington. in addition to long-range weapons, we are also talking about zelenskyi's victory plan or ukraine's victory plan implemented by zelenskyi. how successful do you think zelensky and yarmak will be in this case and umerov's attempts to convince the americans to grant us permission to the use of weapons on the territory of the russian federation, and of course, i would like to hear your opinion on what the victory plan should be, because we only know the title of the work, zelensky's victory plan, the actual content of the work itself. it seems to me that so far no one has seen and no one understands what this plan might be and

how different it is from zelensky's plan, the peace plan? i think that the victory plan should not be zelenskyi's, but ukraine's victory plan, because only hundreds of thousands, and maybe even millions, can implement it ukrainians who have been fighting for the freedom and independence of their country for more than 900 days, and... many of them, unfortunately, have given their most precious lives and health, so here i am not belittling the role of the president as such, but i do not want to hypertrophy it, i believe that it is wrong, i believe that we should talk about things that actually exist at the moment, a delegation visited the states, well, in a fairly familiar composition, which was formally headed by the first... headed by the head of the president's office andriy yermak, that's why they were different

yermak's meetings, including with the political advisers of leading western leaders, i have a simple assessment, you know, they are carrying out a mandatory program, well, without this mandatory program, i think it would be more difficult for us. but i don't see, unfortunately, i don't see how ukraine can have a victory plan before the presidential elections in the united states and whether there will be a biden visa on it or a joint visa for trump and garis? i understand that the issue of ukraine will also be during the debates of the presidential candidates, which will already be held next week and during the final stages of the presidential campaign in the united states,

but imagine for today that the plan is that we can... all of us together, because we all have an interest in our victory, we can convince the american people to give us long-range weapons, increase various opportunities, i'm not sure, i'm not sure for the simple reason that the stakes in the elections are very high in the presidential elections, and therefore there will be sociologically measured whether it is beneficial for ... the democrats, because only the democrats can realistically increase aid to ukraine, and trump in this case will criticize it, and we also have to understand that he will criticize everything that the government will do from the position of an opponent of the government, so we should strengthen internal stability more, and not play with the head of ukrenergo . it would be better for us to strengthen

our internal stability, and not to change the frames as we change them in a kaleidoscope. we don't have a third of the ministers and deputy prime ministers, instead there are acting ones, but there are still four more, that is, ministers and three ministers and the head of the state property fund, who, it seems, has not worked in his position for a year, they will be dismissed, that is , you know, we have the impression that in the office of the president of... they found a children's toy kaleidoscope, they spin it in front of eyes and look at the configuration, and how it will be better, how it will be more attractive, it will be more attractive when it will work in the interests of ukraine, now and when it will be effectively communicated in the interests of ukraine, and when we continue, donate in the information

space podolikiad, where the manager's adviser the office of the president can be allowed... to say to himself that the entire ukrainian society in principle tolerates corrupt actions, well, i don't know why to say such things in the conditions of war, why to give such arguments to our opponents, enemies, i would say directly, because the opponents , they are more or less the ones who criticize us and do not try to destroy us, they can be sympathetic, but the enemies will not be sympathetic towards us. mr. yevhen, the general director of the international atomic energy agency, magate and rafael grossi, came to kyiv. he was at the kursk nuclear power plant before that, now he came to kyiv to convince ukrainians to be more careful in kurshchyna with the nuclear power plant, and before going to the occupied zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant,

he has to talk to zelensky, zelensky himself says that at the moment. .. ukraine is only taking political steps in order to return the occupied zaporizhzhia as under its control. let's listen to what the president of ukraine has to say. regarding the return of our station, i believe that today there are only political steps and, unfortunately, they are not enough, otherwise it is already the station is back under our control. it is safer for ukraine to control. and so far from the point of view of polyba, and i don't see opportunities, and those opportunities that certainly exist, they are dangerous, so we believe that it is still necessary politically to return our

station, at least on all platforms we talk about it, so ... mr. yevgeny, in your opinion, how harsh is kyiv's reaction, is it enough, is this reaction enough, we lost contact with yevhen magda, thank you for tipping the director off. next, friends, we will talk about the zaporizhia os itself, that is zelenskyi says that there is no solution for the zaporizhzhia as, although. we understand that the russians are now trying to use our power, energy power for the occupied regions of ukraine and drive them there. there is no access to this electricity and ukrainians to this large nuclear power plant, for the third year already this plant is under the supervision and

control of russian terrorists, and this question is again before how magate together with rafael grossi react to this, we again have yevgeny magda, mr. yevgeny, what kind of person is he? be the reaction of magathe? on the situation at the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, because grosii constantly pretends that it is normal that the russians control the plant, maybe they will protect it from the shelling of the ukrainian army, well, judging by his rhetoric, he goes there, they meet him there and say, we welcome you to russian soil, he also calmly responds to this, isn't it time to ask ukraine more categorically about nuclear terrorism. on the part of the russian federation and, accordingly , the introduction of sanctions against rosatom, which is now trying to build a nuclear power plant in mongolia, he promised

to build it, just to hit the nuclear energy of the russian federation economically. unfortunately, unfortunately, we have no connection with yevhen magda, sorry dear tv viewers. obviously, obviously, we will follow rafael grossi's visit to kyiv and his reaction to the situation at the zaporizhzhia and kursk nuclear power plants, well, meanwhile, the president of russia, the self-proclaimed president of russia, vladimir putin visited mongolia and despite all the objections of the world community itself , he will demonstrate'. tively, vulanbator flew in and actually tried to show that any international rules are not for him,

by agreeing to putin's visit, mongolia assumes part of the responsibility for russian war crimes - said the spokesman of the ukrainian mfa gregorhiy tykhi on the x social network, which says the spokesman of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs mongolia allowed the accused criminal to avoid justice, thereby sharing the responsibility for his war crimes. we will work with our partners on so that it has no consequences, so that it has consequences for ulaanbaatar. well, in fact, we are talking about the fact that putin absolutely has to sneeze into the international legal field, and mongolia too, because mongolia says that we are dependent on russia, so you see, we let putin in. no one will arrest him, and we have yevhen magda on the line again, mr. yevhen, i hope you hear us, yes,

i hear, i see, everything is fine, yes, look, here is the situation with mongolia and putin, in fact, it calls into question the effect of international legal acts, which is the rome statute, which regulates its own existence, or the law... the validity of the decisions of the international criminal court, putin specifically flew to mongolia, apparently in order to demonstrate to the whole world that, in addition to the security situation, he can influence the international the legal situation, that is , having destroyed the security system, he is trying to destroy the international legal scheme, which and the situation that exists now in the world, in what way the world... can interfere with this, i would also like a few words about energoatom, about rosatom,

sorry, russian to say, the point is that funds for the russian budget, and among those who buy nuclear or uranium ore for their own, i think that lies in this. why do we not see any sanctions against this monster, which is really a monster, because the monster is influential. rafael grossi, in any case, fellow energy experts, they note that he will at least play along with russia, and it is obvious that russia is worried about the prospect of losing control over the kurdish as, but it is equally clear that ukraine will not behave in in any case on... au, the way russia is behaving in zaporizhzhia, because the ukrainian military, they are not invaders, they are not occupiers, they are defending their homeland. as for changes in attitudes towards russia, changes

in approaches, then... my recipe is very simple: we have to create a system in which it is clear how the world will work without russia, how we should achieve this, how we should dismantle russia, how we must be convinced of this, how we must do everything to convince the world that without the dismantling of russia and without the deputization of those... remnants or those pieces of the russian federation that will be formed as a result of this dismantling, the world will not be calm, you understand, the logic of actions and rhetoric is russian, which currently exists, it shows that this is essentially a neo-nazi regime, which is misanthropic, which produces hatred for ukrainians and not only to the ukrainians, and...

a sluggish reaction to all this, it will simply drive the problem deeper, you know, it will be such a huge geopolitical abscess, the size of almost 1/6 of the landmass of the world, the largest abscess in terms of size, and it will be very, very it's a serious thing to play the role of a surgeon who can cut it open and do everything so that this... abscess no longer spoils the life of the civilized world. well, by the way, the president of taiwan lai tsinde said that if china's claim to taiwan concerns territorial integrity, then the prc should also return the lands that were transferred to russia in the 19th century. if we are talking about territorial integrity, then why not return the occupied lands to russia, in accordance with the aigun treaty. russia is now very weakened, isn't it? zahara. already

from moscow reacted to the statement of the head of taiwan's administration, and here she reacted in principle, of course, in her own style, eh, but this story with the lands that were transferred to russia in the 19th century could be used in our informational and psychological programs in a completely different way special operations, but the russians, because... the transfer by china of part of its territories to russia is also an excuse to continue the same theme that vladimir putin tries to play on constantly, returning there to the times of lenin or to some ancient times, in your opinion, sir yevgeny, will our partners in the world be able to use such situations in order to bring putin to his senses? i think our

partners. they see through, but they see through very slowly, it would be very good if they saw through faster, because the citizens of ukraine are paying for their insight with their lives and health, and this insight is necessary for the world, but to say that it is ahead of schedule , i can't, although on the other hand it goes much faster than, say, in the period up to february 24, 22, and we can compare those sanctions. which were after the 14th year, the sanctions that currently exist, although even today they are not enough, we did not find ourselves alone with russia, no, but it is ukraine that bears the burden of confrontation with russia, and we have to properly wrap information and use it correctly , we have to convince the world that it can do without russia. thank you, mr. yevgeny, it was yevhen magda, executive director

of the institute of saints. politicians, friends, in 15 minutes we will meet in the second part of the verdict program, wait for our broadcast. more than 50 dead and 200 injured due to russian attack on the military communications institute and hospital in poltava. what is known as of now? and how to protect military educational institutions in ukraine? we talk about it on the bbc. live from london. jafer umerov works in the studio. a terrible day in poltava. this is how the ministry of defense of ukraine described the tragedy in the city in its statement. according to the agency, the russians used two ballistic missiles.