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the tragedy in poltava, as a result of the russian attack, dozens of dead and hundreds of wounded. was it possible to avoid such victims and should we hope for an ob. active

investigation results. this is svoboda live. my name is vlasta lazur. russian troops launched a missile attack on poltava. according to the latest data, about fifty dead and about 200 wounded. i'm definitely not announcing the numbers right now, because they're constantly changing. in a minute , we will ask the correspondent at the scene . volodymyr zelenskyi reported that two ballistic missiles hit the territory of an educational institution and a hospital. one of the buildings of the communications institute was partially destroyed. a mourning ribbon has already been put up at the institute, under the post users write words of sympathy to the relatives and friends of the deceased, at approximately 9 in the morning for 10 minutes, local residents heard sounds two explosions in the city, poltava reports. before that, telegram channels of the air force warned about a missile in the direction of poltava. well, later on, the russian public began to spread information about the attack on the corps of the 179th educational and training center of the troops-communication with. the ministry of internal

affairs reported that a high-rise residential complex is located near the place of impact , glass windows were broken by the shock wave, facades were damaged, reports the public, you can see what it looks like.

yes, i swear, the children did not die in the war, they tell me from work, go home, i say, i don't want, i don't want, i go home, what will be, will be, i say, i will go home already in the evening, i say that, what will be, will be, because i say, we , what happened, it already happened, you can’t do anything, well, in my room, you know, nothing, the neighbor of three rooms over there, people did it to me, starting tomorrow in poltava oblast, three days of mourning have been announced, in local public places they are urging people to go to the hospital and donate blood for transfusion. svitlana mostepan, a social correspondent, joins our broadcast as. in poltava. svetlana, my congratulations to you.

my first question is, as of now, what is the exact number of dead and wounded, do you know? congratulations, now we know about... 47 dead and 206 injured people, first lady olena zelenska announced this on the x social network. now the wounded are in hospitals, in order to help them, in social networks, people are calling and gathering volunteers to donate blood, and accordingly, as we saw this message from the local authorities, they called to donate blood. svetlana, please tell me if you know who was at place... tragedies, it is meant who among the dead are mostly students, they are mostly teachers, do you know this information? well, currently there is no such information. what is happening in poltava now? ah, now in poltava, well, in general, we are near

houses that were also damaged as a result of a rocket attack, that is, these are civilian houses, and now people are gradually rebuilding their housing, that is, they are building it themselves. tape, they block the windows with osb plates, and they are trying to repair their homes on their own, also near these houses a headquarters was established to help the victims, people are provided with support, legal advice is provided there, and a psychologist works with them, that is, people are given the maximum help, as far as possible in the current situation, that is, it is not only some kind of material help, but also legal and psychological support. do i understand correctly that journalists are currently not allowed near the educational institution, and you did not have the opportunity to see what was happening there, precisely because the search operations are still ongoing, since they are still dismantling the piles of journalists on the territory of the institution where the shooting took place, journalists are not being allowed in now.

svetlana, i have one last question, what do the locals say, if you asked them what preceded the explosions, in particular, whether there was anxiety before the explosions, because i also had to hear such versions. did they say the alarm went off after the explosion? well, in fact , it’s not like that, first an air- raid alarm was announced, the locals also said about it, i personally heard the air-raid alarm first, already after both i personally and people did not hear the sounds of the explosion. thank you very much, svitlana mostepan, a correspondent of public broadcasting in poltava, joined us live on the air and we talked about the events in the city afterwards. i am also already addressing our audience, we are of course following the events in poltava. today, the state bureau of investigation became aware that it had opened criminal proceedings regarding the rocket attack on the educational center, the rbc publication is now reporting this, and here, interestingly, this message first appeared here in such a way that the article was allegedly opened

due to the negligence of the military leadership. subsequently, the publication in rbc was corrected and it was reported that under what article exactly this proceeding, the case, was opened, it is currently unknown, and so is volodymyr. zelensky, in his previous daytime address, said that he had commissioned an investigation into this tragedy, and actually, well, there are hopes that it will be done, but here in fact, during today, when the message about this tragedy appeared, numerous messages from and people deputies, and political, military, more precisely, observers, and volunteers, they began to mention that similar cases, attacks on military or around military facilities had already occurred and... they did not end in anything, so should we wait for the investigation now iryna freeze, member of parliament, european solidarity and representative of the committee on national security defense intelligence joins our broadcast. i greet you, good evening. good evening, i greet you. as a representative of the committee, do you know in advance what could have been the cause

such a large number of victims, because we understand that the main reason is a russian russian strike, a russian attack. but now there are already a lot of versions and complaints that... such a number of victims could have been avoided if the safety rules had not been neglected, do you know anything about this? look, i can tell you specific things that i can argue, in particular, on thursday , a meeting will be convened, a closed meeting of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, at which representatives of the ministry of defense, representatives of the air force will be heard forces, representatives of the dbr, military civil administration. of the poltava region, the ministry of emergency situations, etc., in order for the committee members to have the opportunity by thursday to get a complete picture of what was happening and to be able to draw preliminary conclusions, at

the same time, we have to wait with you for the investigation of the circumstances of this tragedy, but in any case the circumstance is only the non-combination of subjective or objective reasons, behind any tragedy there is necessarily... a person, in this case officials, and i am convinced that it is the inevitability responsibility for activity or inaction. the activities that could have led or caused this tragedy must be established and must be made public, so that you and i do not once again have to hear from expert opinions, and from the opinions of politicians, that everything has been put on the brakes again, and no one bears any responsibility, i am here, i am iryna, i am here, allow me, i am with you not to discuss, but to present arguments against... some journalists, well, today yuriy butusov, a military correspondent, when he

commented on this tragedy, he stated that not a single leader was punished for the attacks on the barracks in yavorov or in mykolaiv or in the desna training center, where there were also mass victims, and therefore he says that it is not surprising that these mass gatherings continue and no one does not draw any conclusions, and whether you or you, by the way, here is your colleague on the committee maryana bezugla, in this context she mentioned the formation in the 120. eighth brigade, which, according to her , also did not teach anyone anything, it seems that this was in the zaporizhzhia region, please tell me if you really weren't conclusions were drawn after these tragedies, or at least you are aware of such conclusions, maybe they are simply not, well, there is no need to announce them in general, but were they drawn in principle, you know, publicly, as well as your colleague and yuriy botusov emphasizes in the context that no conclusions were made publicly. they were not done because publicly you and i have not seen anyone take responsibility, and this is very unfortunate, because

we are facing a situation with you where it turns out that the hand washes the hand and allows you to avoid this responsibility, from my point of view it is possible to specify, it is possible to specify, which means that the hand washes the hand, well, it means that any investigation begins to be put on the brakes by elaborate explanations or avoidance. the personification of specific people who should ensure the safety of people, if suddenly some mass measures take place, and this did not happen, this is a violation of the current law, the current legislation, yes, which led to the death of a significant number of people, there should be responsibility for this, and for this behind everything there must be specific officials who led to this, i definitely do... as do you first of all, i emphasize that this is a war, and the main perpetrator of this situation is

the aggressor country, but at the same time, such a number of victims of this tragedy must also bear, must have a personification for the person responsible from the ukrainian side, who did not protect so many people from threats , which cause the enemy of our country every day, and why were no conclusions drawn from the previous attacks of this kind, how no one started investigations in principle, investigations were started and, as you say , put the brakes on, what is the role in these investigations or in the control over these investigations of the committee, the parliamentary committee that you represent? well, the role should be that these investigations, at least, lead to concrete decisions of the court, no decision at all. court, i have not yet seen, the same as you, and therefore the role in this context, if we are talking about the democratic

control on the part of the national security and defense committee, regarding such terrible tragedies that happen and the absence of those responsible for what led until then, she is not there, i hope on thursday after hearing the relevant ones institutions that have been invited to the ... closed meeting of the committee, we will have more information with you, and the main thing is a clear and unwavering, unwavering, sorry, unwavering follow-up of everything that can accompany this investigation, and this is also thanks to your journalistic activities , can give us the opportunity to count on the fact that this tragedy will have those responsible from the ukrainian side who will not... be responsible for it, this, this is in the future, and i am still, look, i am not a representative of the committee, yes, i can only

to state, you are a representative of the committee, and you say that conclusions from previous tragedies were not made, and i still did not understand the role of the committee, why it was not made, you you, what is your role here, investigations are carried out by law enforcement agencies, yes, investigations are carried out law enforcement agencies, and in this case, if the case of the implementation of the state bureau of investigation has now been opened, it is their responsibility, then they should, accordingly. report. as for the role of parliamentary democratic control by the national security and defense committee, then appropriate requests and appropriate hearings are made, as regards the proof of this... case already directly before the decision and the desired decision of the court, then this should be done by the law enforcement agencies, which should collect a duly substantiated evidence base, which will be the subject of the sentencing. what do you think, will any preliminary conclusions be made, i don't know, personnel or something else, until the court puts an end to it, because i

understand it, even hypothetically, let's imagine that the case is really opened and there will be an investigation, and even... will there ever be a trial, will time pass, will you insist on some previous political actions, conclusions? based on the results of the discussion on this issue on thursday, it will be possible, it will be possible to say whether this tragedy could have been avoided, and whether the officials, in particular of this educational institution, who did not ensure people's safety, should really be suspended, and that, in principle , you already know how it all happened because now... in fact, there are a lot of different guesses and rumors, i will say this, someone says it could have been a shock, someone says it could have been breakfast, someone says, it could have been brought, the oath could have taken place right in the yard, do you know anything previous, under what conditions this tragedy could have happened, i know exactly what you mentioned, that is, i will not add anything new to you , but in order not to

generate or not, let's say, to add some factage of this or that. version that is now in the public domain, i would still suggest that we wait until thursday when the committee can hear, and then, including in closed session, i hope that the members the committee can already argue their position regarding this tragedy. today there were also a lot of comments and complaints about the fact that, in principle, they can be so close to russia, yes, if we take poltava oblast, the distance is still greater than the conditional lviv oblast there. military educational institutions can function so calmly, but really, what does the legislation tell us about this and whether it was a violation, that it basically opened on september 1, this educational institution, and there were people there without disguises, you understand that laid down only when he has the right to open up, as for your fair question about

the relocation of educational institutions, especially military educational institutions to a territory that would have less threats from the aggressor country, then here i can only support your position, i too i am asking myself this question, but with that in mind, i will correct it, this is not exactly my position, i am voicing what i had to hear today, let's say, from different sides, and what you want to hear from me, whether it was necessary to relocate the higher educational institutions, it is so necessary, my personal opinion, it is so necessary to ensure at the level of the cabinet of ministers, at the level of the executive branch of government, the relocation of higher educational institutions, where not only training takes place, including the retraining of mobilized cadets, etc., to places that have greater security and can give more guarantees that this institution will produce trained

specialists. and why didn't the committee suggest that, for example, the parliament do? deputies, the profile committee, it should be done by the executive branch of government, not the parliament, no committee, it should be done by the executive branch of government within the framework of its functions and powers, from my point of view, it was not done, it remained as it is, from another point of view, many of the representatives of educational institutions who tried to make the relocation, including, for example, from other law enforcement agencies, they emphasize that it is an extremely difficult process to immediately relocate a uh... a higher education institution with its base, in short terms, but on the other hand, when a higher education institution can expose to the danger of so many people who study or teach at this institution, i believe that such relocations should take place, because we are

in the third year of a large-scale invasion with you, and it is desirable to have ... a more strategic vision of imparting knowledge to those who will to take up arms, to defend the state, but do you know in advance , we know, from this it was officially reported in the ministry of defense, that almost 50 have already died, it seems to me that there are already 49 as of now. but do you know in advance who these people are? these are young people are they students, cadets? or what do we know about it? i don't know anything about it yet, except what is in the public domain . which is unofficial, unconfirmed, there is a difference, somewhere they say 49, somewhere they call other numbers, the number of dead and the number of wounded are constant. changes and boils every hour, only one thing remains unchanged, this is a great tragedy for ukraine, for the state, for the security and

defense sector, because such a loss is such that it will definitely affect the security and defense sector, and therefore the conclusions and those responsible must be identified. because i emphasize once again, any tragedy is not only a coincidence or a set of objective or subjective reasons, it is also persons, officials who could have prevented this tragedy on such a scale. i will quote you the last opinion that i heard today, for example, serhii sternenko, a volunteer, has a large audience in his public, and he says, he, he says that there will be no guilty parties as usual. that for a while there will be meetings, personal control, instructions to never again, and then he says that they are tragedies will repeat themselves again and again, do you share this prediction? i think that this

opinion is based on mistrust of the government, as we understand it, you are also the government, i understand that you are the opposition, but you are also a part, a part of the legislative power, i will say so, yes the legislative power, it was i who initiated consideration of this issue in thursday at... the committee, i am doing what is in my power where i am, and therefore there is no need to distribute the measure of responsibility of those who should bear this responsibility for what happened, not all by one mob, and i still once i emphasize that what you quoted the blogger starnenko with a large audience, as you say, only shows distrust of the authorities, because the investigation is carried out by the law enforcement system, law enforcement agencies, this also shows distrust. to the law enforcement agencies, which will be satisfied with any correspondence, in order not to allow the investigation to proceed and not to bring the case to court, so let's ask everyone

about his responsibility in accordance with his function and powers. thank you very much for joining our broadcast, iryna fries, member of parliament for european solidarity and representative of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, we talked about the tragedy in poltava and its possible consequences. thank you, and then we have another topic, personnel decisions, we, we are monitoring the situation in poltava, and we will update information as soon as new information appears, and now personnel decisions, i understand that against the background of the events in poltava is not such an important topic, but at the same time it can be overlooked, and believe me, it is important considering the fact that winter is ahead, exactly what i am talking about, volodymyr kudrytskyi, the head of ukrenergo was dismissed from his position in the professional expert environment, this dismissal is called. politically motivated and say that this is supposedly the end of volodymyr zelenskyi's reform era. now let's go in order. last week on friday during a meeting of the supreme commander-in-chief, the president of ukraine

volodymyr zelenskyy allegedly decided that the chairman of the board of ukrenergo volodymyr kudrytskyi should write a resignation letter of his own free will. the reason is allegedly unfinished protective structures around substations of ukrenergo. dozens of ukrainian media reported on the president's decision with reference to sources, but the president himself. did not say anything about it publicly, and here it is worth noting that by law the president does not have the right to make a decision on the dismissal or appointment of the head of ukrenergo, it is simply not part of his powers. on monday, that is, the day before, it became known that the ambassador of the european union in ukraine, representatives of the european bank for reconstruction and development, representatives of an international financial corporation, as well as a business ombudsman. all together, they addressed a letter to prime minister denys shmygal, in which , among other things, they asked to refrain from any... personnel decisions until the final formation of the supervisory board of ukrenergo. the letter also stated that the dismissal of kudrytsky under such circumstances could jeopardize the support of ukrenergo from

partners. but the arguments of the partners did not work, and the day before, under the cover of night , it became known that part of the members of the understaffed supervisory board fired volodymyr kudrytskyi. and now, and here already icing on the cake. it became known that the members of the supervisory board of ukrenergo, who were against the removal of kudrytskyi, were dismissed. well, in fact, this is the end of the era of corporate reform of ukrenergo. today, september 3, we submitted our written notices on early termination of powers as members of the supervisory board of the company. we believe that the decision to prematurely dismiss the head of ukrenergo is politically motivated, and based on the results of the presented report, there are no valid grounds for it. we pay tribute to the board of ukrenergo and. to the whole team companies that demonstrated unprecedented courage and professionalism during the stormy times of the war, the results of ukrenergo's work over the past 2.5 years clearly testify to this. better.

ukrenergo successfully fulfilled its main strategic goals despite the russian invasion. so, the representatives of the supervisory board of ukrenergo clearly stated that there were no grounds for the dismissal of kudrytskyi and that this decision was politically motivated. why did kudrytskyi not agree with zelenskyi. journalists investigating the topic of energy wrote a lot about bankova's desire to get rid of kudrytskyi long. they said that kudrytskyi was not one of the five or six managers of the president, he had a good reputation in the west and in ukraine, and not a very good one. ladnavi with current minister of energy herman galushchenko. what is interesting: kudrytskyi's dismissal took place against the background of a huge corruption scandal in the ministry of energy, where a deputy minister was caught for a bribe, who, according to the investigation, demanded $500,000 for the transfer of equipment from one enterprise to another. and according to journalists, searches were even carried out at the minister of energy herman himself halushchenka and in contrast to the resignation of kudrytskyi, this so-called story also sounded in a new way. journalist. and

energy experts almost shout that the minister, deputies of the protégé, who was caught in bribes of half a million bucks for permission to transfer equipment from one state enterprise in the combat zone to another state enterprise in the rear, cannot be in office, instead, international organizations strongly recommended not to fire the head of ukrenergo, which the government elects, don't believe it, leaves a disgraced minister and fires the head on the eve of a difficult winter, ukrenergo, having spat on all reforms of corporate ethical norms and principles of the rule of law in the energy sector, no longer exists, instead, as of today, energy is in the hands of leviathan's servants. in such a situation, i have no other option but to refuse to make any predictions regarding the passage of the heating season, since the state energy management has entered the phase of uncontrollable risks. the rubicon has been crossed.

ukrainian government. failed the europeanness test, devaluing one of the key ones reforms for european integration, corporate governance reform. the supervisory board of the state company ukrenergo, which should have acted professionally and impartially in the matter of dismissing the manager, actually fulfilled the baseless wish of the authorities and dismissed volodymyr kudrytskyi. in this way, the authorities jeopardized the receipt of funding and equipment for ukrenergo from international partners, necessary for the passage. winter it is very unfortunate to realize that deputies from servants of the people, including the specialized energy committee, do not did nothing to prevent this disgrace. the dismissal of the head of ukrenergo kudrytskyi is the rule, not the exception, nothing new has happened. moreover, how many more times do we need to hit our heads with regard to the principle of independence of supervisory boards. forget that, if in the usa the rule of law is the capitol, then in ukraine

the capitol is the control over everything. it's not either. news. buy generators, ladies and gentlemen. i do not believe that the west will swallow this spit in the face. the consequences of this will be very significant. the trust built by kudrytskyi in relations with europeans were currently the largest capital of ukrenergo. under this trust, we were connected to the eu network. money and equipment were given under this trust. under this trust, the business went to investment tenders to build distributed generation. you will have an index of doing business, an anti-corruption rating, and electricity. you will have everything, as long as you can. well, now we will discuss it in detail. andriy gerus, people's deputy, servant of the people and chairman of the committee on energy, housing and communal services, has already joined our broadcast, and also with us is oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy, batkivshchyna and first deputy chairman of the committee on energy and housing and communal services. gentlemen, my greetings. we just showed the reactions of energy experts regarding the dismissal of kudrytskyi, and here is what your former

colleague noted. viktoriya voitsytska, people's deputy of the last convocation, she says: it is very embarrassing to realize that the deputies from the servant of the people, including, in general, all the deputies from the specialized energy committee, did nothing to prevent this shame so i have the first question for you: do you agree that kudrytskyi's release is a shame for ukraine. mr. andriy, let's start with you as the chairman of the committee and representative of the servant of the people. where does ms. voytsitska have information about who did what and who didn't? most likely, this information is not available, and it is. it's easy to be a facebook expert, don't you agree that it's a shame? i agree that volodymyr kudrytskyi was efficient enough in his position, and if everything depended only on me, then i think that i would not dismiss him from his position, mr. kucherenko, what do you say? thank you, well, first of all, i absolutely ask and do not advise to name these public activists, experts, these are facebook active people, and they are

all the more understandable. their interest is her.