zelensky's victory plan. the president's office is preparing a document to convince the americans to increase military support for ukraine. is it possible to defeat russia, relying exclusively on external forces. tax increases have been slowed down. the verkhovna rada failed the draft law on changes to the tax code for the period of martial law. what can change from? re-second reading time. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms. please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you support the renaming of the kopeck to shah, meaning the small kopeck, a small coin that is currently in ukraine, to shah, to the historical name of this kopeck. therefore. yes 0800-211-381, no,

0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free on youtube, everything is quite simple, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video , well, we will start this block with messages from poltava, this morning at two iskander ballistic missiles flew into the city. m and they hit the institute of communication, the building of the institute of communication and the hospital, private houses, the number of people killed as a result of the russian ballistic strike has already increased to 51, according to the data of the state emergency service, 271 people were injured. after the russian attack on poltava , about 15 more people may be under the rubble, the manager said.

philip pronin of the poltava regional military administration. our colleague, journalist iryna sampan, is in poltava, and we will now find out what is actually happening in poltava and what is there situation. irina, i congratulate you. please tell us what is currently known about the rocket attack and its consequences on the communications institute in poltava. good evening. good evening, viewers, yes, i am now right at the scene of the incident, here i am standing in front, literally in front of the entrance to the institute of communication, the demolition of the debris is ongoing, a lot of equipment is working, and you can see, of course, that journalists are not allowed on the territory itself, although there are a lot of them here, both ukrainian and foreign journalists, a lot of different languages ​​can be heard around, that is why in the territory not'. repent, but you can see through the fence,

it is iron, and it is visible that the dissection is ongoing, and the rescuers are working, continue to work, probably will work all night, volunteers help them, bring food, carry there to the territory, and so on, also works there is such a psychological aid tent here, psychologists of the state emergency service work, they help both victims and... journalists in a certain way, there is such a tent, there you can eat, drink coffee, water and so on, and i understood that the city, the city itself, yes shopping centers, some supermarkets, they bring all these products to this tent, i managed to communicate already, although i have not been here for a long time, because i literally just arrived from kyiv, i managed to communicate with students who studied here, are studying, yes. and they

were at the time of the impact, but fortunately they survived, they say that a lot of their fellow students were injured, died, received injuries of various degrees of severity, they say that they were born in a shirt, because they only had a contusion there, i talked to by three such students, they say that it was a normal morning, as usual, nothing special, after that... the hours started a couple, they were studying something related to radio communication, and then there was an air raid signal, which also did not was nothing special, because how we always respond to air raid signals, oh air raid, well, we have to go to the shelter and say to go down quickly somehow, but to go down to the shelter quickly, then no, but they say that even... e very little

time has passed, and it was already in the official versions sounded, and they confirmed it to me now, that very little time had really passed to hide in the shelter. in all the buildings, as they told me, there are these shelters, they are equipped, well, they are ordinary basements, but they are equipped for shelter, they just did not have time to go down, a large number of people, yes, who were in pairs, teachers, they did not have time to go down, and everyone ran in panic, and it is clear that the rocket arrived very quickly, as the local residents, with whom i also managed to communicate, who live not far away, their... houses were also damaged, and these people are in a panic, but i talked to a woman, her voice is still shaking, she confuses words, she can't formulate the end of a sentence, but still, they are such a lady , in such a panic now, she tells that they were at home in the morning, of course, it was

morning, and the explosive wave damaged them, the windows were damaged, and the facade of the house was cut like this. the roof was damaged, and of course they 're all in shock now, and the impact was such a powerful wave that this whole street that adjacent to the institute, yes, although there is a big concrete fence between them, high, but still, these houses also had their impact, and the houses were damaged and many houses were damaged, and that's why i don't have that much information yet. there is a lot of information, but the police are working, many cars are parked along the institute, and there on the territory of the institute itself there is a dsems machine working, thank you, iryna, it was iryna sampan, a journalist who is currently in

poltava, at the place where two ballistic missiles arrived this morning iskander m missiles from the russian federation, unfortunately, has many victims, unfortunately, many wounded. we will monitor the situation in poltava. friends, i want to introduce the guests of today's program, they are people's deputies of ukraine, oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, head of the parliamentary committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, sorry for the darkness, but there is no light. thank you for that joined the broadcast. andriy osachuk, people's deputy. from the voice, the first deputy of the parliamentary committee on law enforcement, mr. andriy, good evening, good evening, there is no light either, but there is a light, thank you, thank you for joining in, rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity,

member of the parliamentary committee on matters of education, science and innovation, mr. rostyslav, i congratulate you, thank god, i can see the light, there is, thank you for being with us today, good evening, i just turned it on, this is such a bonus offer. for on the air, you see, the opposition always even turns on the lights earlier, you see, therefore, gentlemen, well, we are asking our tv viewers, today, very briefly, and i will ask you whether you support the renaming of the penny to chess, the proposal of the national bank of ukraine, perhaps this is not the time for this discussion, now and today is not such a day, but we still decided to ask our viewers how they react to the fact that there will be no pennies, there will be steps. although, in my opinion, it is necessary to switch to rounded hryvnias and chess and the transition to chess rather, this is a ritual of departure from russia, let's start with mr. rostislav, what do you say, well , this is really a historical name, but i have

a big question, why it was necessary to talk about it now, even considering that on september 2 there was the anniversary of the introduction of the hryvnia, but definitely... leave, if it is decommunization, then decommunization, so leave this idea to sell, the national bank has such an idea, start a discussion, connect historians, and indeed, it is possible already there after the war, if there is some denomination and it is necessary to introduce again these are small money, and smaller hryvnias, then let them be steps, but now danatska, it looks a little like a distraction, thank you, mr. oleksandr, well, for me, to be honest , it is... a little unusual name, but you know , i am hoping that we will have the euro as a currency and eurocents, maybe that will solve the problem? thank you, this is a great answer, mr. andriy, i envy the optimism of my colleague oleksandr, you know, i remember

quite well when discussions about monetary reform were going on, sometime in 1994-5, the idea of ​​a step arose then, but from her ... refused, well, i think, including under russian influence, but should it be done? well, here i completely agree with rostislav, yes , in principle, this is a good idea, it is probably too late, it would be nice to do it. 20-25 years ago, now you can hardly buy anything for pennies, so maybe we can just round up to the lowest denomination, the lowest denomination can be 1 hryvnia, but i think that in the long run it can be done and of course it will only be beneficial. today it really looks more like just such a positivist message to the masses and i don't particularly see any super practical benefit from it either. well, as volodymyr petrovych wrote on his facebook page. shah is a step away from moscow, well, let's take it that way. by the way, mr.

andrii, you remembered how 20 years ago, or 20 years ago. 20, 30, 30 years, god, time flies so fast. 30 years ago, this whole idea was discussed step by step. viktor yushchenko, by the way, was the chairman of the national bank at the time, and he advocated the idea of ​​introducing the step, but i understand that kuchma did not dare to do this, and because it really was. such a démarche, there would have been a démarche from the side of ukraine, and it didn’t happen, well, let’s face it, it just sounded very exotic for kuchma, his party, and yushchenko even made samples at the time, and now they are highly valued by collectors, there are a very small number of shags, a test batch was made, now this one move costs some crazy thousands of hryvnias, yes, yes, yes, and we remember that 100 years ago, well more than 100 years ago, chess was under the ukrainian people's republic. ago in principle, let's go back to the previous step and to the historical names of our money, but let's

talk about current and present money and about the money that is collected for the budget, today the verkhovna rada of ukraine in the first reading adopted a bill on increasing the budget by 500 billion uah, but today the verkhovna rada failed in the first reading of the draft law on raising taxes, which actually, what was it about, that... that during the period of martial law, it was proposed to introduce an increase in the military levy rate, among other things, to 5% on income, 1% for legal entities, 5% for fops of the first, second and fourth groups, changes in the rules of taxation, import of goods, introduction of new duties for taxpayers, 224 people's deputies voted for it, the head of the finance committee of the verkhovna rada. this is how they commented on the failure of the bill on

increasing taxes in ukraine, let's listen. this draft law provided for the accumulation of 30 billion hryvnias for payments to our military personnel at the expense of a 3.5% increase in the military levy equal for all citizens of ukraine. moves that are received citizens of ukraine, as well as the termination of the benefits that certain categories of citizens received regarding the payment of military duty, today is really a rainy day in our parliament, the verkhovna rada did not show enough consciousness to support such an unpopular, but necessary for victory . and indeed, today we brought joy to putin,

who is probably celebrating the victory in the walls of the parliament, if it didn't sound like it. our faction will not vote, as it was our demand from the very beginning that we vote first reform of the customs, we will put order there, where from 50 to 100 billion a year are lost to smuggling, after that we can talk about raising taxes. according to the agenda, the situation is reversed. taxes, then the customs reform, so we wish the ministry of finance good luck in this difficult process, mr. andriy, the representative of your faction of the railwaymen, said that first the customs reform, and then the vote for taxes, i remember how 5 years ago the customs were already trying to reform, and volodymyr zelenskyy asked the customs officers what cars they drive, me it seems that in 5 years they started driving. on other, maybe better cars, is

there any way to fill the budget now, apart from raising taxes, that is, actually transferring taxes to citizens and paying these taxes by citizens, or are there any other options for filling the budget, because we are talking, as i understand it, about tax changes to increase by uah 30 billion, while uah 500 billion is needed for the budget. there is, and we have been talking about it for almost a year, because the drama is that in the government and in the coalition, there was, and still is, no economic tax policy, they shuffle from one extreme to another, and the fact that it was necessary to find 500 billion uah somewhere, everyone said publicly at the end of the winter of this year, but they dragged, dragged until the very last moment and did not come up with anything better, how to try to force those who work to pay in white, that is, in fact, all honest taxpayers to pay more, yes, it is possible, it

should be in a country that is at war, but we have also been saying for the third year that dear... you have huge layers of shadow economy, where us, even ours partners are already openly saying that guys, why don’t you put things in order there, there are hundreds of billions of dollars, it is, of course, the customs office, the black hole of the ukrainian economy, ukrainian statehood, where all the presidents made reforms, including volodymyr zelenskyi, but there, as everything was yes it is, it's tunivirenki tobacco, to a lesser extent alcohol, to a lesser extent. and fuel, that's all there is, salaries in envelopes, that's all there too, that is, all these moments that have been talked about for years, and especially the last year, they have not been done, and we are outraged by the fact that the customs reform, which more or less allegedly pushed through, now there are several new draft laws, and so far this plenary week they are not put first,

which perhaps hints at the fact that they do not want to vote on them at all, and at the same time they put bills on... raising taxes, on increasing the budget, and this is pure bullshit again, because the bill on increasing the budget, which received votes today, relies on a bill that was not supported, but there is a completely different arithmetic, there children in the fourth grade will understand that, well, it is not hits absolutely that is, two draft laws were brought into the hall of the verkhovna rada, which are completely unbalanced, we also talked about this in the hall, so there is no way to support this delusion, let the guys work better. your advice is understandable, and the reproaches or accusations against the government are understandable, but the current government has a monomajority and apparently it does not have a monomajority, as i understand it, mr. oleksandr, if 224 votes were voted for the first in the first

reading and it was not enough, does that mean your faction also has different opinions with about the taxation of ukrainians? well, from my point of view, having different opinions, including on issues of taxes, which always cause violent emotions, is quite normal for democracy, and there is democracy in our faction, that is, really different people, for example, majoritarians, they can have their own idea about the issue economy, we all understand that raising taxes is very unpopular. the issue is very unpopular in the sense that it affects the rating of the deputy, and when this decision is made, we understand that we are coming out of very difficult conditions, but it seems to me that it is necessary to approach this issue with special responsibility, and i believe that all factions should have

a consolidated consolidated approach to this issue, because our defense capability also depends on it. and with regard to bringing order in various spheres, including customs, this does not prevent the solution of key issues, and with regard to, for example, customs, i do not know, perhaps there are some economic calculations in this regard, unfortunately i do not know them saw, but we have to proceed from the situation in which we are turned out to be very difficult, so i voted for it. thank you, mr. oleksandr, mr. rostyslav, tell me, please, and... what should be in this draft law, so that, as mr. oleksandr says, there would be this joint co-responsibility for the fact that the army needs money, the military needs money, the budget needs money, and if this draft law won not 224, not 226 votes there, but 360

or 370 votes, it would be some kind of... such a consolidated decision of the parliament as an institution? look, well, it's consolidation can be around decisions that will bring results, and the results will be just when sufficient funds go to the military. unfortunately, neither the changes to the budget nor the changes to taxes are like that. andriy has already briefly mentioned the main disadvantages here, so as not to repeat myself, i will add something, for example, that... uh , the taxation of banks’ excess profits suddenly fell out of the government bill, not a lot, not a little, about uah 25 billion, about the same amount as they want to take from e. fops from increasing the military levy, as hitmantsev says of all ukrainians, well, only he is a little deceitful, because this fee is not paid by those who receive

a salary in envelopes, all this is not paid by the shadow that andrii spoke about and so on, and if we talk about the fact that we need to take money, well , experts say that about 300 billion can be get from the liquidation of gray schemes in many markets, it can be done quite quickly. indeed, customs reform would allow many of these schemes to be blocked, and ms. pritzker, who is a special representative of the united states government, actually appealed to the ukrainian government to first put order in customs point and then raise taxes. they say it may happen that there is no need to raise taxes. the third point is the reduction of unnecessary expenses. there, in european solidarity, we counted about 40 billion, which can be cut absolutely painlessly. in order to direct these funds to the armed forces of ukraine instead. and such others. if we are already talking about consolidation, then we should not

shout slogans from the podium, mr. hetmantsev, but honestly, without rudeness, sit down, calculate it, draw up a consolidated project, make it even inter-factional, because it is really a very difficult situation, but let's take it from european solidarity, from the voice, from the parents. representatives of other factions who definitely know and know how to do this, we will prepare a package that would apply to customs, and would apply to taxes, and cutting unnecessary expenses, and look, and 500 billion will be found, and how much needs to be found, and i will tell you more, finally, in literally a week we will have the consideration of the draft budget for the next year, and again we will have rudeness, again we will be told which everyone is not a patriot, as everyone loves putin. to ukraine and they will again accept such a project, which will have to be revised again next year, because you see, they made a mistake of half a trillion hryvnias, so they work professionally, so

colleagues, let's move away from slogans, let's sit down with numbers and issue a project that will really be voted for the whole hall well, colleagues, here we are, your colleagues have started to comment on the resignations, because they have already resigned, vice prime minister stefanishyna. resigned, zelensky dismissed shurma, rostyslav shurma from the post of deputy the head of the president's office, and this is just the beginning, i understand, the acceleration is like this before the big personnel changes that should take place tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, because it has been announced that there will be new layoffs, new personnel appointments, very briefly, how will these personnel changes affect the management state and state management? that is, does it matter in conditions of a monomajority, in conditions where five or six managers run the state? mr. andrew? you know, i think that

it will have no effect, because probably the biggest drawback of the current moment of ukrainian democracy is the fact that all decisions are made in one office by one person, well, maybe two, ah, and as a result, what we hear today is an attempt to somehow restore order in the government, because we have some... vacancies for more than a year, i would like to remind you that there has been no minister of information policy and culture since july 27 of last year, kubarkov was fired under the slogan that a more effective one should be appointed immediately, and that has already passed , how many colleagues, 3 months or so, that is, in fact, we work in absolutely terrible realities, when on the one hand everyone decisions are made in one cabinet, even decisions that concern the corporate management of state-owned enterprises and the dismissal of the head of ukraine. energy, it is terrible, it is simply terrible in form, and it destroys again our relations and the trust of our partners, and at the same time

there are simply no volunteers and new faces who would be ready to work with zelensky according to these rules. the fact that there is information today, i think so, it will find its confirmation tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, it is just a shuffling of the president's people in various positions, some are there just takes off, i understand, the baby is written off. completely ashore, all the others are just a rearrangement of beds in the same institution, so i very much doubt that this will have any significant effect, any significant changes to the effectiveness of the work of the government and the effectiveness of the work of the president's team, it simply cannot happen , because these are the same people. thank you, mr. andriy, mr. oleksandr, how do you assess the current personnel reshuffles, they were announced a long time ago by president zelenskyi, and members of your team about it. was spoken, that is, language, language it's just about replacing a number of players in the personnel, the personnel deck of the servant of the people,

but... have you considered the possibility of creating a government based on a different principle, or a technocratic government, or a government of national unity, or another option in order to distribute responsibility for the situation in the country, as well as among other political forces that also care about ukraine and think about ukraine. well, the fact is that personnel changes were, are and always will be, that is, this is a completely normal phenomenon. and... i believe that it is necessary to be guided very simple principles in terms of personnel implementation of personnel policy, this is the principle of professionalism, expertise, as well as the principle of efficiency, and such changes, well, i hope that they will be for the better, but in this, in this case, i, well, i trust my colleagues and let's see, we want to hope that these staff changes will only

improve things. the quality of state management, thank you, mr. oleksandr, mr. rostislav, did you not come out with another initiative to your partners in the parliament in order to create another government, reformat the government, to make it more, let's say, more transparent and more understandable, including for the participants of ukrainian politics themselves, mr. sergiyuvych. such poorly hidden sarcasm in your question, the next word is, unfortunately, it is very fair, because indeed we are talking about the need to create a professional government of national unity, but such creation would be possible only if the office of the president and the head of this office e, together with five or six managers, stopped interfering in all the activities of the executive and legislative powers.

we saw a survey today, about 80% of ukrainians consider it excessive to lose the office of the president in state affairs , the current presidency has the potential, there is an opportunity to cooperate with a very large part of the people's servants , so that 230-240 votes would be a stable majority without opz fragments, which would support a professional government of national unity, who would work responsibly together with the president, together with all other bodies . for ukraine to win and join the eu and nato. that would be the plan the most effective, but so far, unfortunately, we do not see this, unfortunately, president zelenskyi's words remain relevant, that these are all fantasies, well, since they are fantasies, unfortunately, we will continue to see how these 5-6 managers spin around themselves rings with people, the situation in the country, unfortunately, will only lose from this. let's see, mr. rostislav, who

will be appointed and dismissed. although they have already been partially painted in telegram channels and in the main internet publications, but the finished look, we will see how the government will look, the next government of shmyhal, and maybe not shmyhal, this is also an open question for now, well , from the information that i read during the day today, the question remains open for me, whether denys shmyhal will remain the prime minister, well, anything is possible. in principle, in this situation, one more story, gentlemen, is the story with mongolia, with zelensky's trip there, it is a challenge not only for ukraine, but for the whole world, because the war criminal vladimir putin flew to mongolia in order to demonstrate that he absolutely inspires on the international legal system and those rules that exist in the world.